Howard Rheingold: Way-new collaboration

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I'm here to enlist you
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今天我来这里号召大家
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in helping reshape the story about how humans and other critters get things done.
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一起来重构人类及其他生物做事的方式。
00:27
Here is the old story -- we've already heard a little bit about it:
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这里先说说过去的老方式。这个我们已经知道了一些。
00:32
biology is war in which only the fiercest survive;
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生物学是一场战争,只有最凶猛的生物可以生存。
00:39
businesses and nations succeed only by defeating,
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生意场上、国家之间,只有击败、
00:47
destroying and dominating competition;
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摧毁对方,占据主导地位才能成功。
00:53
politics is about your side winning at all costs.
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政治就是不计代价为自己一方赢得胜利。
01:00
But I think we can see the very beginnings of a new story beginning to emerge.
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但我觉得我们看得到,一个新故事也渐渐开始上演。
01:08
It's a narrative spread across a number of different disciplines,
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这是个横跨很多不同领域的故事,
01:15
in which cooperation, collective action and complex interdependencies
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在这中间合作开放、协作行为及复杂的相互依存关系,
01:23
play a more important role.
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扮演着更加重要的角色。
01:26
And the central, but not all-important, role of competition and survival of the fittest
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它的中心部分,不再是完全由绝对重要的竞争和适者生存占据
01:35
shrinks just a little bit to make room.
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它萎缩了一些,留出了一部分空间。
01:39
I started thinking about the relationship between communication, media
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当我开始写《聪明行动族》这本书时,
01:46
and collective action when I wrote "Smart Mobs,"
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我开始思考沟通、媒体和集体行为三者间的关系。
01:51
and I found that when I finished the book, I kept thinking about it.
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我发现在写完书之后,我还是忍不住不停地去想。
01:56
In fact, if you look back, human communication media
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事实上,当你回顾过去,人类沟通媒体
02:02
and the ways in which we organize socially have been co-evolving for quite a long time.
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及我们的社会组织方式,都是共同演进了相当长一段时间的。
02:09
Humans have lived for much, much longer
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人类活在地球上的时间,
02:13
than the approximately 10,000 years of settled agricultural civilization
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比起约一万年的定居农业文明要长得多。
02:20
in small family groups. Nomadic hunters bring down rabbits, gathering food.
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以小家庭为组织的游牧猎人,射杀兔子,采集食物。
02:28
The form of wealth in those days was enough food to stay alive.
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当时财富的形式是有足够的食物可以生存。
02:33
But at some point, they banded together to hunt bigger game.
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但在某个阶段这些家庭组织在一起,去捕捉更大的猎物。
02:40
And we don't know exactly how they did this,
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我们不确定他们当时是如何做到的。
02:43
although they must have solved some collective action problems;
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不过他们一定解决了某些集体行动上的问题。
02:48
it only makes sense that you can't hunt mastodons
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当你猎杀乳齿象时,
02:52
while you're fighting with the other groups.
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不能和其他组织争斗,这样才说的通。
02:55
And again, we have no way of knowing,
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不过,我们也无从得知,
02:57
but it's clear that a new form of wealth must have emerged.
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但很显然,当时一定有某种新的财富模式产生了。
03:02
More protein than a hunter's family could eat before it rotted.
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猎人家庭拥有了更多的蛋白质,等不到吃完就腐烂掉了。
03:07
So that raised a social question
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这样就产生了一个社会问题,
03:09
that I believe must have driven new social forms.
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而我相信这个问题推动了新的社会模式的产生。
03:12
Did the people who ate that mastodon meat owe something
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那些吃乳齿象肉的人是否欠了
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to the hunters and their families?
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猎人和他们的家庭某些东西呢?
03:19
And if so, how did they make arrangements?
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如果是这样,他们又是如何达成协议的呢?
03:23
Again, we can't know, but we can be pretty sure that some form of
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同样的,我们无法得知,但我们可以确信,
03:26
symbolic communication must have been involved.
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其中一定包含某种象征性的沟通。
03:31
Of course, with agriculture came the first big civilizations,
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当然,随着农业的发展,人类第一次迈向文明
03:36
the first cities built of mud and brick, the first empires.
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出现了第一批泥土和砖块盖起来的城市以及第一个帝国。
03:41
And it was the administers of these empires
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正是这些帝国的掌权人,
03:45
who began hiring people to keep track of the wheat and sheep and wine that was owed
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开始雇佣人力,来记录别人欠下的麦子、羊以及葡萄酒。
03:51
and the taxes that was owed on them
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还有他人欠的税款等。
03:53
by making marks; marks on clay in that time.
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当时他们通过在粘土上做记号来记录这些。
03:57
Not too much longer after that, the alphabet was invented.
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在那之后不久,人们就发明了字母表。
04:02
And this powerful tool was really reserved, for thousands of years,
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这个强有力的工具从此被保存了好几千年,
04:08
for the elite administrators (Laughter) who kept track of accounts for the empires.
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专门给那些帮帝国记账的精英管理者所使用。
04:18
And then another communication technology enabled new media:
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然后,另一个新的沟通科技创造了新的媒体。
04:23
the printing press came along, and within decades,
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印刷厂出现了,在几十年内,
04:28
millions of people became literate.
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就有数以百万计的人懂得了读写。
04:30
And from literate populations,
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而这些会读书写字的人们,
04:34
new forms of collective action emerged in the spheres of knowledge,
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在知识、宗教、政治的领域里,
04:38
religion and politics.
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开创了新的集体行动的模式。
04:42
We saw scientific revolutions, the Protestant Reformation,
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我们看见了科学革命,新教改革,
04:47
constitutional democracies possible where they had not been possible before.
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以及宪政民主等这些以前不可能的事物成为了可能。
04:53
Not created by the printing press,
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这些不是由印刷媒体创造的,
04:55
but enabled by the collective action that emerges from literacy.
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而是文化所带动的集体行动中造就的。
05:00
And again, new forms of wealth emerged.
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此外,各种新的财富模式也兴起了。
05:04
Now, commerce is ancient. Markets are as old as the crossroads.
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现如今开来,经济是古老的,市场跟十字路口一样老。
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But capitalism, as we know it, is only a few hundred years old,
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但就如我们所知,资本主义只有短短几百年而已,
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enabled by cooperative arrangements and technologies,
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它因合作和科技而得以实现,
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such as the joint-stock ownership company,
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例如合资股份公司,
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shared liability insurance, double-entry bookkeeping.
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共有责任保险及复式记账等。
05:26
Now of course, the enabling technologies are based on the Internet,
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当然,现在的科技都以网络为基础。
05:31
and in the many-to-many era, every desktop is now a printing press,
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在多对多沟通的时代,每个桌面电脑现在都成了印刷厂、
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a broadcasting station, a community or a marketplace.
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广播电台、社区或者市场。
05:44
Evolution is speeding up.
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革命还在加速进行。
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More recently, that power is untethering and leaping off the desktops,
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近来,这种革命已经不再围绕台式机打转转了。
05:53
and very, very quickly, we're going to see a significant proportion, if not the majority of
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很快,我们将会看到一个占显著比例的一部分人,即使不是大多数,
05:59
the human race, walking around holding, carrying or wearing supercomputers
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将会拿着、揣着或戴着超级电脑走来走去,
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linked at speeds greater
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这些电脑互相连接,而其连接速度
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than what we consider to be broadband today.
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会比我们今天所知道的宽频还要快的多。
06:14
Now, when I started looking into collective action,
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当我开始研究集体行动时,
06:17
the considerable literature on it is based on what sociologists call "social dilemmas."
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那可观的相关文献是基于被社会学家称为“社会困境”之上的。
06:23
And there are a couple of mythic narratives of social dilemmas.
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关于社会困境有些虚构的描述。
06:26
I'm going to talk briefly about two of them:
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我将简要地说明其中两项,
06:29
the prisoner's dilemma and the tragedy of the commons.
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即囚犯困境以及共有财产的悲哀。
06:32
Now, when I talked about this with Kevin Kelly,
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当我跟凯文·凯利聊起这些事时,
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he assured me that everybody in this audience pretty much knows the details
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他向我保证在座的每位大概都知道
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of the prisoner's dilemma,
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囚犯困境是怎么回事。
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so I'm just going to go over that very, very quickly.
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所以,我将很快速地重复一下。
06:43
If you have more questions about it, ask Kevin Kelly later. (Laughter)
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如果你有更多的疑问,可以去问凯文·凯利,不过要等下。(笑)
06:50
The prisoner's dilemma is actually a story that's overlaid
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囚犯困境实际上是一个
06:53
on a mathematical matrix that came out of the game theory
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叠加在数学矩阵之上的故事,
06:57
in the early years of thinking about nuclear war:
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这个故事来源于早期对于核战争思考的游戏理论:
07:01
two players who couldn't trust each other.
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两个玩家无法信任彼此。
07:03
Let me just say that every unsecured transaction
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我们可以说,每个无担保的交易,
07:06
is a good example of a prisoner's dilemma.
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都是囚犯困境的好例子。
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Person with the goods, person with the money,
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有商品的人和有钱的人,
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because they can't trust each other, are not going to exchange.
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因为无法信任彼此而无法进行交易。
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Neither one wants to be the first one
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没有人想迈出第一步,
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or they're going to get the sucker's payoff,
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因为这样他们就会吃亏。
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but both lose, of course, because they don't get what they want.
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当然,他们都会输,因为他们都得不到想要的东西,
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If they could only agree, if they could only turn a prisoner's dilemma into
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只有当他们同意将囚犯困境
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a different payoff matrix called an assurance game, they could proceed.
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变成信任赛局的报酬矩阵时,他们才能进行下一步。
07:35
Twenty years ago, Robert Axelrod used the prisoner's dilemma
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二十年前,罗伯特阿克塞罗德利用囚犯困境,
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as a probe of the biological question:
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进行对生物问题的探索。
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if we are here because our ancestors were such fierce competitors,
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如果我们活在此地是因为我们的祖先都是强悍的竞争者,
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how does cooperation exist at all?
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那么合作又怎么可能存在呢?
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He started a computer tournament for
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阿克塞罗德开始了一个电脑竞赛
07:53
people to submit prisoner's dilemma strategies and discovered,
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让人们针对囚犯困境,提交各自策略,
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much to his surprise, that a very, very simple strategy won --
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然后他意外的发现,其中最最简单的策略竟然赢了。
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it won the first tournament, and even after everyone knew it won,
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这个策略赢了第一场比赛,甚至在大家都知道这件事之后,
08:06
it won the second tournament -- that's known as tit for tat.
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还赢了第二场竞赛。这个策略就是以牙还牙。
08:13
Another economic game that may not be as well known as the prisoner's dilemma
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另一个经济游戏可能不像囚犯困境那样广为人知,
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is the ultimatum game,
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这就是最后通牒游戏
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and it's also a very interesting probe of
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这也是个关于人们
08:23
our assumptions about the way people make economic transactions.
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如何进行经济交易的有趣探索。
08:29
Here's how the game is played: there are two players;
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游戏是这样玩的。 有两个玩家,
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they've never played the game before,
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双方都不没有玩过这游戏,
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they will not play the game again, they don't know each other,
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他们也不会再玩这个游戏。他们知道彼此是谁。
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and they are, in fact, in separate rooms.
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实际上,他们在不同的房间里。
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First player is offered a hundred dollars
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给第一个玩家一百美元,
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and is asked to propose a split: 50/50, 90/10,
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然后要求他做出分配:50/50,90/10。
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whatever that player wants to propose. The second player either accepts the split --
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随意怎么做都行。第二个玩家可以接受第一个玩家所提出的分配,
08:55
both players are paid and the game is over --
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然后双方都获得金钱,游戏结束。
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or rejects the split -- neither player is paid and the game is over.
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第二个玩家也可以拒绝这个分配,双方都拿不到钱,然后游戏结束。
09:04
Now, the fundamental basis of neoclassical economics
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新古典派经济的基础会告诉你,
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would tell you it's irrational to reject a dollar
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拒绝任何一美元都是不明智的,
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because someone you don't know in another room is going to get 99.
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因为某个陌生人在另一个房间里将得到99美元。
09:17
Yet in thousands of trials with American and European and Japanese students,
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可是,在成千上万美国、欧洲以及日本学生的测试中,
09:23
a significant percentage would reject any offer that's not close to 50/50.
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有显著的比例的人会拒绝任何少于50/50的分配。
09:29
And although they were screened and didn't know about the game
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尽管玩家被隔离而且从来不知道这个游戏,
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and had never played the game before,
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而且从前也从没玩过这个游戏,
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proposers seemed to innately know this
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提议的人似乎天生就知道这个结果,
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because the average proposal was surprisingly close to 50/50.
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因为提议的平均值令人意外的接近50/50。
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Now, the interesting part comes in more recently
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有趣的部分是最近才知道的,
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when anthropologists began taking this game to other cultures
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当人类学者将这些游戏带到其他文化去时,
09:51
and discovered, to their surprise,
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他们惊讶的发现,
09:54
that slash-and-burn agriculturalists in the Amazon
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亚马逊的刀耕火种法的农耕民族,
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or nomadic pastoralists in Central Asia or a dozen different cultures --
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或者是中亚的游牧民族,以及其他许多不同的文化——
10:03
each had radically different ideas of what is fair.
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每个人对于公平都有极端不同的看法。
10:08
Which suggests that instead of there being an innate sense of fairness,
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由此可见,与其说人类天生有对公平的共同观感,
10:14
that somehow the basis of our economic
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倒不如说我们的经济交易基础
10:17
transactions can be influenced by our social institutions,
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会被我们的社会制度所影响——
10:23
whether we know that or not.
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无论我们是否意识到这点。
10:25
The other major narrative of social dilemmas is the tragedy of the commons.
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另一个主要的社会困境就是共有财产的悲哀。
10:30
Garrett Hardin used it to talk about overpopulation in the late 1960s.
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60年代末,加勒特·哈丁利用它来说明人口过剩的问题。
10:36
He used the example of a common grazing area in which each person
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他例举某个共用畜牧的土地为例,在那里,
10:42
by simply maximizing their own flock
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每个人只是简单的将他们畜牧的牛羊增加到最大值,
10:45
led to overgrazing and the depletion of the resource.
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就会导致过度畜牧,资源耗尽。
10:48
He had the rather gloomy conclusion that
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他得出了令人沮丧的结论,
10:50
humans will inevitably despoil any common pool resource
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人类将无可避免的掠夺任何公有的资源,
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in which people cannot be restrained from using it.
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因为人们无法克制不去使用它们。
11:01
Now, Elinor Ostrom, a political scientist, in
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奥斯特姆,政治科学家,
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1990 asked the interesting question that any good scientist should ask,
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在1990年问了一个任何好的科学家都该问的有趣问题,
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which is: is it really true that humans will always despoil commons?
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那就是,人类是否真的总会破坏公共资源呢?
11:14
So she went out and looked at what data she could find.
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于是她就想看下能找到什么样的数据。
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She looked at thousands of cases of humans sharing watersheds,
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她查看了几千个关于人们共用
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forestry resources, fisheries, and discovered that yes, in case after case,
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水源、森林和渔业的个案,然后果然发现,各个案例都显示
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humans destroyed the commons that they depended on.
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人类真的会破坏他们所依赖的公有资源。
11:33
But she also found many instances in which people escaped the prisoner's dilemma;
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但是,她也发现,在许多情况下,人们逃出了囚犯困境。
11:40
in fact, the tragedy of the commons is a multiplayer prisoner's dilemma.
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事实上,共有财产的悲哀是一个多数玩家的囚犯困境。
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And she said that people are only prisoners if they consider themselves to be.
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她说,只有当人们觉得自己就是囚犯时,他们才会是囚犯。
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They escape by creating institutions for collective action.
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人们通过制造集体行动的机制逃离困境。
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And she discovered, I think most interestingly,
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我觉得最有趣的,
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that among those institutions that worked,
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是她发现在所有可行的机制当中,
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there were a number of common design
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有几个通用的设计原则,
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principles, and those principles seem to be
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而这些原则看起来
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missing from those institutions that don't work.
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在不可行的机制中是没有的。
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I'm moving very quickly over a number of
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我将快速的谈谈几个领域。
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disciplines. In biology, the notions of symbiosis,
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在生物学中,共生的概念,群组选择,
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group selection, evolutionary psychology are contested, to be sure.
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以及演化心理学颇都是非常具有争议性的。
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But there is really no longer any major debate over the fact that
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但是,关于生物学中
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cooperative arrangements have moved from a peripheral role to a central role
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合作机制已经日渐重要这个事实,再不会有任何大的辩论,
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in biology, from the level of the cell to the level of the ecology.
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从细胞到整个生态系统都是如此。
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And again, our notions of individuals as economic beings
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此外,这也颠覆了我们视个人为经济体
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have been overturned.
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的概念。
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Rational self-interest is not always the dominating factor.
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理性的个人利益,并不总是占优势的因素。
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In fact, people will act to punish cheaters, even at a cost to themselves.
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实际上,人们会为了惩罚欺骗者而做出行动,哪怕会输掉他们自己的利益。
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And most recently, neurophysiological measures
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最近,神经生物学的测量显示
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have shown that people who punish cheaters in economic games
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在经济游戏中惩罚欺骗者的人
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show activity in the reward centers of their brain.
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脑部的酬劳中枢处于活跃状态。
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Which led one scientist to declare that altruistic punishment
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这项发现让某位科学家宣称,利他的惩罚
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may be the glue that holds societies together.
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也许是使社会连接在一起的粘合剂。
13:22
Now, I've been talking about how new forms of communication and new media
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我一直说新的沟通模式和新的媒体
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in the past have helped create new economic forms.
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在过去如何帮助塑造新的经济模式。
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Commerce is ancient. Markets are very old. Capitalism is fairly recent;
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商业是古老的,市场是历史悠久的,资本主义是近代的。
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socialism emerged as a reaction to that.
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而社会主义的崛起,则是对资本主义的回应。
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And yet we see very little talk about how the next form may be emerging.
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但我们很少看到有人讲到下个模式将如何崛起。
13:46
Jim Surowiecki briefly mentioned Yochai Benkler's paper about open source,
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詹姆斯·索诺维尔基简要的提到了约柴·本科勒教授关于开放源代码的论文,
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pointing to a new form of production: peer-to-peer production.
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论文中提出了一种新的生产模式——点对点的生产。
13:55
I simply want you to keep in mind that if in the past, new forms of cooperation
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我只想要你们记住,如果在过去是新的科技促进了新的合作模式,
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enabled by new technologies create new forms of wealth,
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继而制造出新的财富形式,
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we may be moving into yet another economic form
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我们也许正向另一个新的经济模式演进,
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that is significantly different from previous ones.
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它与过去的模式相比有着显著的不同。
14:13
Very briefly, let's look at some businesses. IBM, as you know, HP, Sun --
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让我们很简要的看看几个企业,你们知道IBM、惠普以及SUN。
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some of the most fierce competitors in the IT world are open sourcing
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在IT产业中,他们最强的竞争者正将软件开源,
14:25
their software, are providing portfolios of patents for the commons.
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为公共经济提供专利的支持。
14:32
Eli Lilly -- in, again, the fiercely competitive pharmaceutical world --
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美国礼来公司在竞争激烈的药品世界里
14:37
has created a market for solutions for pharmaceutical problems.
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创造了一个解决药品问题的市场。
14:43
Toyota, instead of treating its suppliers as a marketplace,
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丰田不再象对待市场一样对待供应商,
14:48
treats them as a network and trains them to produce better,
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而是视他们为网络的一环并训练加强他们生产力,
14:52
even though they are also training them to produce better for their competitors.
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尽管丰田知道这样一来竞争者也将因此获得更好的产品。
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Now none of these companies are doing this out of altruism;
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这些公司都不是为了利他主义而行动的。
15:01
they're doing it because they're learning that
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他们做这些事都是因为
15:03
a certain kind of sharing is in their self-interest.
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了解到在自我利益中含有某种程度的分享。
15:09
Open source production has shown us that world-class software, like Linux and Mozilla,
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开放自由软件的生产让我们看到世界级的软件,像Linux以及Mozilla,
15:16
can be created with neither the bureaucratic structure of the firm
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但这些软件不能从公司的官僚结构中生产,
15:22
nor the incentives of the marketplace as we've known them.
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也无法从我们所知的市场诱因中产出。
15:28
Google enriches itself by enriching thousands of bloggers through AdSense.
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谷歌使用AdSense丰富成千上万的博客,同时使自己富足。
15:34
Amazon has opened its Application Programming Interface
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亚马逊开放了自己的应用程序接口
15:38
to 60,000 developers, countless Amazon shops.
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给6万名开发者以及无数的亚马逊商店。
15:43
They're enriching others, not out of altruism but as a way of enriching themselves.
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他们并不是出于利他主义而去做好事,而是当作一种充实自己的手段。
15:49
eBay solved the prisoner's dilemma and created a market
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Ebay解决了囚犯困境,
15:54
where none would have existed by creating a feedback mechanism
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创造了前所未有的市场。他们创造了一个回馈机制,
15:58
that turns a prisoner's dilemma game into an assurance game.
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将囚犯困境变成了合作博弈。
16:03
Instead of, "Neither of us can trust each other, so we have to make suboptimal moves,"
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原来是“我们彼此间不信任,所以我们不得不退而求其次”,
16:08
it's, "You prove to me that you are trustworthy and I will cooperate."
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现在是“你必须先证明自己是可信任的,然后我才愿意合作”。
16:14
Wikipedia has used thousands of volunteers to create a free encyclopedia
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维基百科利用上万名志愿者来创造一个免费的百科全书,
16:20
with a million and a half articles in 200 languages in just a couple of years.
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在短短两年内就以200种语言完成了150万篇文章。
16:27
We've seen that ThinkCycle has enabled NGOs in developing countries
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我们看到ThinkCycle让发展中国家的非政府组织
16:34
to put up problems to be solved by design students around the world,
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提出问题,由世界各地设计学科的学生来帮忙解决。
16:40
including something that's being used for tsunami relief right now:
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这包括现在海啸救援中所使用的东西。
16:43
it's a mechanism for rehydrating
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这是用来为霍乱病患者
16:45
cholera victims that's so simple to use it,
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补充水分的简单装置,非常容易用,即使是不识字的人
16:48
illiterates can be trained to use it.
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也可以通过培训很快掌握使用。
16:51
BitTorrent turns every downloader into an uploader,
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BitTorrent将每个下载者变成上传者,
16:55
making the system more efficient the more it is used.
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这让系统变得使用越多就越有效率。
17:00
Millions of people have contributed their desktop computers
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千百万人自愿贡献出他们的桌面电脑,
17:03
when they're not using them to link together through the Internet
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在自己不使用的时候,一起连接到网络
17:08
into supercomputing collectives
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变成超级电脑集体的一份子。
17:10
that help solve the protein folding problem for medical researchers --
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比如用来协助医学研究员解决蛋白质褶皱的问题,
17:14
that's Folding@home at Stanford --
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这是在丹佛大学的Folding@Home。
17:17
to crack codes, to search for life in outer space.
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或者破解密码。或是在外太空寻找生命迹象。
17:22
I don't think we know enough yet.
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我认为我们知道的还远远不够。
17:24
I don't think we've even begun to discover what the basic principles are,
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我们甚至连最基本的原理是什么都还没有搞清楚。
17:28
but I think we can begin to think about them.
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但是我觉得我们可以开始思考这些问题。
17:31
And I don't have enough time to talk about all of them,
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而我没有足够的时间可以讲述所有东西。
17:34
but think about self-interest.
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但是想想利己主义吧。
17:36
This is all about self-interest that adds up to more.
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这全是自我利益最大化的例子。
17:39
In El Salvador, both sides that withdrew from their civil war
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在萨尔外多的内战中,撤退的两方
17:44
took moves that had been proven to mirror a prisoner's dilemma strategy.
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所采取的行动,验证了囚犯困境的脱困策略。
17:48
In the U.S., in the Philippines, in Kenya, around the world,
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在美国,菲律宾,肯尼亚以及世界各地,
17:54
citizens have self-organized political protests and
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公民利用手机和短信
17:57
get out the vote campaigns using mobile devices and SMS.
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自己组织政治游行以及投票活动。
18:03
Is an Apollo Project of cooperation possible?
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一个类似阿波罗登月计划的合作是否可能呢?
18:06
A transdisciplinary study of cooperation?
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跨学科的研究合作是否可能呢?
18:10
I believe that the payoff would be very big.
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我相信合作带来的活力会非常大。
18:14
I think we need to begin developing maps of this territory
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我想我们需要开始为这新领地绘制地图,
18:18
so that we can talk about it across disciplines.
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这样我们可以跨领域进行讨论。
18:20
And I am not saying that understanding cooperation
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我并不是说了解了合作
18:24
is going to cause us to be better people --
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会使我们变成更好的人。
18:28
and sometimes people cooperate to do bad things --
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有时候人们会一起合作做坏事。
18:31
but I will remind you that a few hundred years ago,
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但是你要知道,在几百年前,
18:34
people saw their loved ones die from diseases they thought
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人们看见自己亲爱的人死于疾病时,
18:38
were caused by sin or foreigners or evil spirits.
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认为那是由罪恶、外国人或者恶魔造成的。
18:43
Descartes said we need an entire new way of thinking.
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笛卡尔说我们应该有一个全新的思考方式。
18:47
When the scientific method provided that new way of thinking
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当科学带来了那个新的思考方式,
18:50
and biology showed that microorganisms caused disease,
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当生物学查出微生物是造成疾病的原因,
18:54
suffering was alleviated.
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病人的痛苦减轻了。
18:57
What forms of suffering could be alleviated,
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什么样的痛苦可以得到减缓呢?
19:00
what forms of wealth could be created
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如果我们对合作了解的更多,
19:02
if we knew a little bit more about cooperation?
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什么样的财富可以被创造呢?
19:05
I don't think that this transdisciplinary discourse
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我不认为这跨学科的对话
19:09
is automatically going to happen;
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将会自动发生。
19:11
it's going to require effort.
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这将会需要努力。
19:14
So I enlist you to help me get the cooperation project started.
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因此,我在此号召大家来帮助我一起启动这个合作计划。
19:20
Thank you.
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谢谢!
19:22
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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