Stephen Friend: The hunt for "unexpected genetic heroes"

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翻译人员: Yuanqing Edberg 校对人员: Kairui li
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Approximately 30 years ago,
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大约在30年以前,
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when I was in oncology at the Children's Hospital
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当我还在
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in Philadelphia,
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费城儿童医院的肿瘤科
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a father and a son walked into my office
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一对父子走进我的办公室
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and they both had their right eye missing,
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他们两人都没有了右眼,
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and as I took the history, it became apparent
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当我询问了病史,很明显
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that the father and the son had a rare form
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父亲和儿子都患有一种罕见形式的
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of inherited eye tumor, retinoblastoma,
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遗传性的眼睛肿瘤,视网膜母细胞瘤,
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and the father knew that he had passed that fate
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父亲知道他把那种噩运
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on to his son.
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传给了儿子。
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That moment changed my life.
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那个时刻改变了我的生活。
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It propelled me to go on
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它促使我去
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and to co-lead a team that discovered
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带领一个研究小组,并发现了
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the first cancer susceptibility gene,
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第一个肿瘤易感基因,
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and in the intervening decades since then,
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从那时介入起算的十年来,
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there has been literally a seismic shift
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我们在对肿瘤发生的研究上
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in our understanding of what goes on,
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已经有了天翻地覆的进展
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what genetic variations are sitting behind
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暨存在在各种各样的疾病背后
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various diseases.
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的基因变异。
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In fact, for thousands of human traits,
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事实上,数以万计的人类特征中,
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a molecular basis that's known for that,
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就是那些已知的分子基础所决定,
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and for thousands of people, every day,
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对很多人来说,每天
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there's information that they gain
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他们都获得很多信息
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about the risk of going on to get this disease
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关于得上这个
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or that disease.
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或那个疾病的危险。
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At the same time, if you ask,
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同时,如果你问,
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"Has that impacted the efficiency,
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“那对效率有影响吗?”
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how we've been able to develop drugs?"
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我们如何能研发药物?“
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the answer is not really.
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回答是不确定的。
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If you look at the cost of developing drugs,
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如果你看看研发药物的花费
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how that's done, it basically hasn't budged that.
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那是怎么做到的,还没有基本的预算。
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And so it's as if we have the power to diagnose
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那么,就像我们的确有能力来做出诊断
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yet not the power to fully treat.
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但还美有能力来治愈。
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And there are two commonly given reasons
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至于缘何会出现这样的现象
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for why that happens.
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有两个常见的理由
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One of them is it's early days.
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其中之一是早期。
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We're just learning the words, the fragments,
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我们刚刚学会,
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the letters in the genetic code.
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基因编码字母的只言片语
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We don't know how to read the sentences.
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我们不知道怎样阅读整段基因。
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We don't know how to follow the narrative.
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我们不知道怎样理解它的叙述。
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The other reason given is that
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另一个现存的理由是
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most of those changes are a loss of function,
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大部分的基因变化是功能的缺失,
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and it's actually really hard to develop drugs
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实际上很难通过发展药物
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that restore function.
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来重建功能。
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But today, I want us to step back
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但今天,我希望大家后退一步
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and ask a more fundamental question,
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问问更基本的问题,
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and ask, "What happens if we're thinking
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再问,“如果我们关于这些的看法
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about this maybe in the wrong context?"
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是在错误的背景下,那么会发生什么呢?“
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We do a lot of studying of those who are sick
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我们对那些生病的人做了很多研究
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and building up long lists
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并且积攒了一个
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of altered components.
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不同组成的长长的目录。
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But maybe, if what we're trying to do
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但也许,如果我们尝试去做的是
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is to develop therapies for prevention,
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为了预防来发展治疗,
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maybe what we should be doing
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也许我们应该做的
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is studying those who don't get sick.
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是研究那些没有生病的人。
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Maybe we should be studying those
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也许我们应该研究那些
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that are well.
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健康的人。
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A vast majority of those people
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绝大部分的那些人
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are not necessarily carrying a particular
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也许没有承载一个特别的
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genetic load or risk factor.
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遗传累赘或者危险因子。
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They're not going to help us.
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他们对我们没有帮助。
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There are going to be those individuals
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他们将是那些
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who are carrying a potential future risk,
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带有潜在的会发病的危险因子
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they're going to go on to get some symptom.
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他们会有某些症状。
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That's not what we're looking for.
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那不是我们要找的。
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What we're asking and looking for is,
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我们要找的是,
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are there a very few set of individuals
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只有很少的一组个体
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who are actually walking around
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那些没有发病的,
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with the risk that normally would cause a disease,
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但事实上有着能引起疾病的危险因子
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but something in them, something hidden in them
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在他们体内有某些东西,有某些东西藏在里面
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is actually protective
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事实上起着保护作用
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and keeping them from exhibiting those symptoms?
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使他们免于出现那些症状?
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If you're going to do a study like that, you can imagine
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如果你要做那样一个研究,你能想像
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you'd like to look at lots and lots of people.
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你不得不去看看很多这样的人。
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We'd have to go and have a pretty wide study,
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我们已经有了很大范围的研究,
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and we realized that actually
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我们意识到事实上
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one way to think of this is,
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有一个思考的办法是,
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let us look at adults who are over 40 years of age,
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让我们看看四十岁以上的成年人,
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and let's make sure that we look at those
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让我们确定我们看着那些
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who were healthy as kids.
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像孩子一样健康的人。
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They might have had individuals in their families
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在他们的家庭中,可能有某个人
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who had had a childhood disease,
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在孩提时有了病,
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but not necessarily.
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但也不一定。
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And let's go and then screen those
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让我们到那些
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to find those who are carrying genes
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人群里筛选,看谁携带着
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for childhood diseases.
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在儿童时就发病的基因。
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Now, some of you, I can see you
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现在,你们中的某些人,我能看见你们
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putting your hands up going, "Uh, a little odd.
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高举着手,“呵,有点古怪。
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What's your evidence
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你的证据呢
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that this could be feasible?"
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你能证明这是可行的吗?“
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I want to give you two examples.
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我想给你们两个例子。
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The first comes from San Francisco.
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第一个来自旧金山。
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It comes from the 1980s and the 1990s,
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在1980年和1990年之间,
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and you may know the story where
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你们也许知道
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there were individuals who had very high levels
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那些个体有着很高水平的
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of the virus HIV.
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艾滋病毒
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They went on to get AIDS.
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他们后来得上了艾滋。
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But there was a very small set of individuals
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但有很少一组个体
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who also had very high levels of HIV.
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虽然有着很高的艾滋病毒水平
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They didn't get AIDS.
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他们没有得病。
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And astute clinicians tracked that down,
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精明的临床医生追踪下去,
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and what they found was they were carrying mutations.
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他们发现的是那些人携带着基因变异。
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Notice, they were carrying mutations from birth
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注意,他们的变异是天生的。
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that were protective, that were protecting them
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那具有保护性,保护他们
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from going on to get AIDS.
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不会得上艾滋病。
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You may also know that actually a line of therapy
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你也许还知道有一个治疗流程
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has been coming along based on that fact.
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根据这个事实而启动了。
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Second example, more recent, is elegant work
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第二个例子,最近的,是由
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done by Helen Hobbs,
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海伦.霍伯斯做的漂亮的工作,
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who said, "I'm going to look at individuals
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她说,“我会研究那些有
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who have very high lipid levels,
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着很高血脂水平的个体,
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and I'm going to try to find those people
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我会努力来发现这些
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with high lipid levels
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有着高血脂水平
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who don't go on to get heart disease."
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但没有患心脏病的人。“
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And again, what she found was
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再一次的,她发现的是
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some of those individuals had mutations
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一些个体基因上有突变,
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that were protective from birth that kept them,
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而那些天生的突变保护他们免于疾病,
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even though they had high lipid levels,
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尽管他们有着很高水平的血脂。
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and you can see this is an interesting way
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你能明白这是个有趣途径
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of thinking about how you could develop
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它让你想到你怎样才能拓展出
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preventive therapies.
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预防性治疗。
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The project that we're working on
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我们在进行的项目是
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is called "The Resilience Project:
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叫做“弹性课题:
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A Search for Unexpected Heroes,"
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对未预料的英雄的研究,“
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because what we are interested in doing is saying,
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因为我们感兴趣做的是
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can we find those rare individuals
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我们能找到少见的
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who might have these hidden protective factors?
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有着这种隐性的保护因子个体吗?
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And in some ways, think of it as a decoder ring,
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在某种意义上,把它当做解码器环,
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a sort of resilience decoder ring
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是一种
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that we're going to try to build.
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我们尝试建造的具有弹性的解码器环。
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We've realized that we should do this in a systematic way,
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我们已经意识到我们应该 系统性地尝试,
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so we've said, let's take every single
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我们已经说过,让我们拿每一个
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childhood inherited disease.
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儿童遗传病来研究。
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Let's take them all, and let's pull them back a little bit
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让我们看着所有的人,让 我们把它们范围缩小一点点
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by those that are known to have severe symptoms,
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用那些
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where the parents, the child,
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父母,孩子有着已知的严重的症状的病来说,
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those around them would know
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那些周围的人都知道
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that they'd gotten sick,
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他们会生病,
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and let's go ahead and then frame them again
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让我们继续并且给他们再次定位
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by those parts of the genes where we know
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用我们已经知道的某些部分的基因
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that there is a particular alteration
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那些有着特别改变而
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that is known to be highly penetrant
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总所周知是引起
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to cause that disease.
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那种疾病的高度相关的基因。
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Where are we going to look?
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我们要看的是什么呢?
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Well, we could look locally. That makes sense.
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首先,我们可以局部地看,那很有道理。
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But we began to think, maybe we should look
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然后我们想想,也许我们应该看看
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all over the world.
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全世界。
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Maybe we should look not just here
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也许我们应该看的不只是这儿
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but in remote places where their might be
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而是在遥远的地方
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a distinct genetic context,
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可能有着独特的基因背景
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there might be environmental factors
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也许是环境的因素
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that protect people.
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保护者人们。
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And let's look at a million individuals.
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让我们看一百万个体。
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Now the reason why we think it's a good time
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我们认为现在是个很好的时候,
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to do that now
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理由是,现在
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is, in the last couple of years,
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以及在过去的几年中,
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there's been a remarkable plummeting in the cost
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做这种类型的分析,
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to do this type of analysis,
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这种类型的数据推导,
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this type of data generation,
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在花费上有着显著的垂直的下降
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to where it actually costs less to do
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事实上
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the data generation and analysis
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在数据推导和分析上的花费
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than it does to do the sample processing and the collection.
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少于标本的处理和收集。
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The other reason is that in the last five years,
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在过去的五年中,另一个原因是,
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there have been awesome tools,
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有了特别棒的工具,
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things about network biology, systems biology,
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像联网生物学,系统生物学
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that have come up that allow us to think
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发展起来后,可以让我们想到
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that maybe we could decipher
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也许我们可能解译
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those positive outliers.
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那些正性的结果。
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And as we went around talking to researchers
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当我们跟研究人员
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and institutions
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和研究所讨论
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and telling them about our story,
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并且告诉他们我们的故事,
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something happened.
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和那些发生的事情。
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They started saying, "This is interesting.
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他们开始说,“这有些意思,
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I would be glad to join your effort.
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我很高兴来跟你一起的努力,
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I would be willing to participate."
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我愿意参加。”
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And they didn't say, "Where's the MTA?"
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他们并没有说,“MTA在哪里?”
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They didn't say, "Where is my authorship?"
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“他们没有说,”我的作者署名在哪里?“
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They didn't say, "Is this data going to be mine? Am I going to own it?"
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他们没有说,“这个结果是我的吗? 我是这个结果的主人吗?“
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They basically said, "Let's work on this
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他们只是说,”让我们
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in an open, crowd-sourced, team way
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在一个开放的,有人群资源的,以合作的方法
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to do this decoding."
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来一起工作,解开这个难题。“
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Six months ago, we locked down
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六个月之前,我们锁定了
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the screening key for this decoder.
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这个难题的筛选关键。
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My co-lead, a brilliant scientist, Eric Schadt
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我的同僚,一个非常聪明的科学家,诶瑞克.夏特
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at the Icahn Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York,
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在纽约的爱肯蒙特塞纳医学院,
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and his team,
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他的小组
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locked in that decoder key ring,
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锁定了那个解码环的关键,
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and we began looking for samples,
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我们开始寻找标本,
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because what we realized is,
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因为我们意识到的是,
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maybe we could just go and look
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也许我们可以继续看
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at some existing samples to get some sense of feasibility.
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一些现存的标本来 得到某些。。
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Maybe we could take two, three percent of the project on,
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也许我们能让项目有百分之二或三的进展,
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and see if it was there.
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看看它是否是我们想要的,
08:05
And so we started asking people
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于是我们开始请求一些人
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such as Hakon at the Children's Hospital in Philadelphia.
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比如费城儿童医院的哈空,
08:11
We asked Leif up in Finland.
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和远在芬兰的列夫。
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We talked to Anne Wojcicki at 23andMe,
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我们跟诊所”23和我“的安.沃基次可
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and Wang Jun at BGI,
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以及在BGI的王军也有了对话,
08:19
and again, something remarkable happened.
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又一次,有了很显著的进展。
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They said, "Huh,
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他们说,”呵,
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not only do we have samples,
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我们不仅有标本,
08:24
but often we've analyzed them,
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而且我们还分析过,
08:27
and we would be glad to go into
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我们很愿意来找出
08:28
our anonymized samples
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我们那些匿名的标本,
08:29
and see if we could find those
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看看我们是否能找到那些
08:32
that you're looking for."
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你们在找的。“
08:33
And instead of being 20,000 or 30,000,
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上个月,我们
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last month we passed one half million samples
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有了过50十万的标本而不是2万或三万
08:39
that we've already analyzed.
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我们已经分析过了这些标本。
08:40
So you must be going,
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那么,你肯定会说,
08:42
"Huh, did you find any unexpected heroes?"
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“哈,你发现了那个未知的英雄了吗?”
08:48
And the answer is, we didn't find one or two.
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回答是肯定的。我们不是发现了一个或两个。
08:50
We found dozens of these strong candidate
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我们发现了一打这样的
08:53
unexpected heroes.
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作为未知的英雄的候选
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So we think that the time is now
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现在我们认为是时候
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to launch the beta phase of this project
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来进入这个项目的第二阶段
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and actually start getting prospective individuals.
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实际上是要得到那些有前景的个体。
09:03
Basically all we need is information.
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我们基本上需要的就是信息。
09:06
We need a swab of DNA
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我们需要一些DNA
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and a willingness to say, "What's inside me?
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和参与者自愿地说,“我里面有什么?”
09:11
I'm willing to be re-contacted."
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我愿意你们再跟我接触。“
09:15
Most of us spend our lives,
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我们把自己的大部分生活
09:18
when it comes to health and disease,
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花在健康和疾病上,
09:20
acting as if we're voyeurs.
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好像做了偷窥者一样。
09:23
We delegate the responsibility
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我们有责任
09:26
for the understanding of our disease,
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来弄懂我们的疾病,
09:28
for the treatment of our disease,
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以便来治疗我们的疾病,
09:30
to anointed experts.
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成为在行的专家。
09:33
In order for us to get this project to work,
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为了让这个项目可以运作,
09:37
we need individuals to step up
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我们需要个体站出来
09:39
in a different role and to be engaged,
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在各种角色上参与,
09:43
to realize this dream,
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意识到这个梦想,
09:45
this open crowd-sourced project,
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这个开放的人群资源项目,
09:49
to find those unexpected heroes,
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是为了发现那些未知的英雄们。
09:52
to evolve from the current concepts
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来更新现有概念
09:55
of resources and constraints,
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的来源和限制
09:57
to design those preventive therapies,
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来设计那些预防性的治疗,
10:01
and to extend it beyond childhood diseases,
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并且能够延续和超越儿童时期发生的疾病,
10:03
to go all the way up to ways
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一直上升到
10:05
that we could look at Alzheimer's or Parkinson's,
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我们能够认识海尔滋莫或者巴金森氏疾病的高度,
10:09
we're going to need us
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我们会需要我们
10:11
to be looking inside ourselves and asking,
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深入自己并且问
10:14
"What are our roles?
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“我们的角色是什么?
10:16
What are our genes?"
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我们的基因是什么?”
10:18
and looking within ourselves for information
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从我们自身来寻找信息
10:21
we used to say we should go to the outside,
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我们常说我们应该走出去,
10:23
to experts,
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去成为专家,
10:25
and to be willing to share that with others.
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愿意去跟人分享
10:29
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢
10:32
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)。
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