Are China and the US doomed to conflict? | Kevin Rudd

翻译人员: Li Li 校对人员: Jenny Yang

G'day, my name's Kevin.

大家好，我叫凯文

I'm from Australia. I'm here to help.

我来自澳大利亚，我来帮忙的

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Tonight, I want to talk about a tale of two cities.

今晚，我想谈一个关于两个城市的故事

One of those cities is called Washington, and the other is called Beijing.

其中一个城市叫华盛顿，另一个叫北京

Because how these two capitals shape their future

因为这两个首都如何规划他们的未来

以及美国的未来，中国的未来

and the future of the United States and the future of China

doesn't just affect those two countries,

不仅仅是影响这两个国家

it affects all of us

它对我们所有人都有影响

in ways, perhaps, we've never thought of:

可能，在很多方面，我们都没想过：

the air we breathe, the water we drink,

我们呼吸的空气，我们饮用的水

the fish we eat, the quality of our oceans,

我们食用的鱼，我们海洋的质量

the languages we speak in the future,

我们以后使用语言

the jobs we have, the political systems we choose,

我们拥有的工作 我们选择的政治系统

and, of course, the great questions of war and peace.

当然，还有，战争与和平这一重大问题

You see that bloke? He's French.

看到那哥儿们了吗？他是法国人

His name is Napoleon.

他的名字叫拿破仑

A couple of hundred years ago,

几百年前

he made this extraordinary projection:

他发表了这一非凡的推测

"China is a sleeping lion, and when she awakes,

“中国是沉睡的雄狮

the world will shake."

当她醒来时世界将为之震撼

Napoleon got a few things wrong;

拿破仑犯过一些错误

he got this one absolutely right.

但在这一点，他是毫无疑问正确的

Because China is today not just woken up,

因为今天的中国不单醒了

China has stood up and China is on the march,

而且还站了起来，并大步前行

and the question for us all

那么留给我们的问题就是

is where will China go

中国将走向何方

and how do we engage this giant of the 21st century?

我们要如何在21世纪与这巨人一同前行

You start looking at the numbers, they start to confront you in a big way.

你开始注意数据 这些数据大规模向你袭来

It's projected that China will become,

它展示了中国

by whichever measure -- PPP, market exchange rates --

不管是以哪种衡量方式—— 购买力平价，市场汇率——

the largest economy in the world

在接下来十年的过程中

over the course of the decade ahead.

都将成为世界最大的经济体

They're already the largest trading nation,

他们已经是最大的贸易国

already the largest exporting nation,

已经是最大的出口国

already the largest manufacturing nation,

已经是最大的生产制造国

and they're also the biggest emitters of carbon in the world.

同时也是世界上碳排放量最大的国家

America comes second.

美国位居第二

So if China does become the world's largest economy,

所以一旦中国成为世界最大的经济体

think about this:

那么细想一下：

It'll be the first time

这将会是自

since this guy was on the throne of England --

这个英国国王

George III, not a good friend of Napoleon's --

乔治三世之后，他可不是拿破仑的好友——

that in the world we will have as the largest economy

这个世界上形成的最大的经济体

a non-English speaking country,

一个非英语的国家

a non-Western country,

它不是一个西方国家

a non-liberal democratic country.

它不是一个自由民主政治的国家

And if you don't think that's going to affect

如果你觉得这不会影响世界未来的发展

the way in which the world happens in the future,

如果你觉得这不会影响世界未来的发展

then personally, I think you've been smoking something,

那么个人觉得，你一定是大麻抽嗨了

and it doesn't mean you're from Colorado.

这并不意味你来自科罗拉多 （美国的一个州，大麻已经合法化）

So in short, the question we have tonight is,

简而言之，今晚我们的问题

how do we understand this mega-change,

就是我们如何理解这场巨变

which I believe to be the biggest change for the first half of the 21st century?

我觉得这是21世纪上半世纪最大的改变

It'll affect so many things.

它的影响范围极广

It will go to the absolute core.

它会影响到我们的绝对核心

It's happening quietly. It's happening persistently.

它悄然无息在发生 它持续不断在发生

It's happening in some senses under the radar,

它在雷达侦测不到的某种方式在发生

as we are all preoccupied with

而此时我们却在关心

what's going in Ukraine, what's going on in the Middle East,

乌克兰怎么了 中东怎么了

what's going on with ISIS, what's going on with ISIL,

ISIS恐怖组织怎么了 ISIL基地组织怎么了

what's happening with the future of our economies.

我们未来的经济会怎样

This is a slow and quiet revolution.

这是一个缓慢而无声的革命

And with a mega-change comes also a mega-challenge,

伴随着这个巨变而来的，是巨大的挑战

and the mega-challenge is this:

这个巨大的挑战就是：

Can these two great countries,

这两个大国

China and the United States --

中国和美国——

China,

中国

the Middle Kingdom,

中央之国

and the United States,

美国

Měiguó --

Měiguó——

which in Chinese, by the way, means "the beautiful country."

在中文里，意思是“美丽的国家”

Think about that -- that's the name that China has given this country

想一下，那是中国在一百多年前

for more than a hundred years.

给美国起的名字

Whether these two great civilizations, these two great countries,

这两种文明，这两个国度

can in fact carve out a common future

能否为他们也为世界

for themselves and for the world?

勾勒出共同的未来呢？

In short, can we carve out a future

简而言之，我们能否勾画出这么一个未来

which is peaceful and mutually prosperous,

和平共处，互惠互利

or are we looking at a great challenge

或我们是在考虑要战争还是和平

of war or peace?

这一巨大挑战？

And I have 15 minutes to work through war or peace,

我有15分钟给大家讲一下战争或和平

which is a little less time

这相比当时他们给这个人

than they gave this guy to write a book called "War and Peace."

写《战争与和平》这本书的时间要简短些

People ask me, why is it that a kid growing up in rural Australia

人们问我，为什么一个在澳大利亚乡下长大的小孩

got interested in learning Chinese?

会对学习中文感兴趣呢？

Well, there are two reasons for that.

原因有二

Here's the first of them.

这是第一个

That's Betsy the cow.

这是一头叫贝琪的奶牛

Now, Betsy the cow was one of a herd of dairy cattle

现在，奶牛贝琪是和在澳洲农村

that I grew up with on a farm in rural Australia.

和我一起长大的众多奶牛中的一头

See those hands there? These are not built for farming.

看到这双手了吗？它们并不适合用来耕作

So very early on, I discovered that in fact, working in a farm

所以很早的时候，我就发现

was not designed for me, and China was a very safe remove

我并不适合在农场做事， 而中国对我来说

from any career in Australian farm life.

则是从澳洲农业生活中安全解脱的途径

Here's the second reason.

接来下第二个原因

That's my mom.

Anyone here ever listen to what their mom told them to do?

那是我母亲

在座有人曾听从母亲的建议吗？

Everyone ever do what their mom told them to do?

在座有人曾遵循母亲的建议吗？

I rarely did,

我几乎没有

but what my mom said to me was,

但我母亲跟我说的是

one day, she handed me a newspaper,

有一天，她递给我一张报纸

a headline which said, here we have a huge change.

标题写的是 我们将会有巨大的改变

And that change is China entering the United Nations.

这个改变就是中国进入联合国

1971, I had just turned 14 years of age,

1971年，我刚满14岁

and she handed me this headline.

她给我看了这个标题

And she said, "Understand this, learn this,

然后她说，“去理解，去学习

because it's going to affect your future."

因为这会影响你的未来。“

So being a very good student of history,

所以作为历史学科的好学生

I decided that the best thing for me to do was, in fact,

我决定最适合我的，其实

to go off and learn Chinese.

就是立马去学中文

The great thing about learning Chinese

对于学中文来说，很棒的一件事

is that your Chinese teacher gives you a new name.

就是你的中文老师会给你起一个新名字

And so they gave me this name:

所以他们给我这个名字：

Kè, which means to overcome or to conquer,

克，意思就是去克服，去征服

and Wén, and that's the character for literature or the arts.

文，这个汉字代表文学艺术

Kè Wén, Conqueror of the Classics.

克文，经典文化的征服者

Any of you guys called "Kevin"?

有人的名字是凯文吗？

It's a major lift from being called Kevin to be called Conqueror of the Classics.

从”凯文“到”经典文化的征服者“，确实是一大提升啊

(Laughter)

（笑声）

I've been called Kevin all my life.

我一辈子都被人叫凯文

Have you been called Kevin all your life?

你们也是否一辈子都被叫凯文呢？

Would you prefer to be called Conqueror of the Classics?

你是否想要被叫成”经典文化的征服者“？

And so I went off after that and joined the Australian Foreign Service,

大学毕业后我加入澳大利亚外交部服务

but here is where pride -- before pride, there always comes a fall.

但是这个地方让我在得到荣誉之前先跌了一个跟头

So there I am in the embassy in Beijing,

那时我在北京的大使馆

off to the Great Hall of the People

准备和我们的大使去人民大会堂

with our ambassador, who had asked me to interpret for his first meeting

他让我在人民大会堂

in the Great Hall of the People.

为他的第一次会议做翻译

And so there was I.

所以我就在那儿

If you've been to a Chinese meeting, it's a giant horseshoe.

如果你参加过中国的会议 你就会发现现场是个马蹄铁形

At the head of the horsehoe are the really serious pooh-bahs,

马蹄的顶端坐着非常严肃的大人物

and down the end of the horseshoe are the not-so-serious pooh-bahs,

沿着马蹄下来是一些不怎么严肃的大人物

the junior woodchucks like me.

和一些像我一样的小兵小卒

And so the ambassador began with this inelegant phrase.

然后大使用了一句直白做了开场白

He said, "China and Australia are currently enjoying a relationship

他说，“澳中关系目前

of unprecedented closeness."

是空前的亲密。”

And I thought to myself,

我就对自己说

"That sounds clumsy. That sounds odd.

“这听起来很笨拙，很奇怪啊

I will improve it."

我要改改。“

Note to file: Never do that.

友情提醒：千万不用这么做

It needed to be a little more elegant, a little more classical,

这句话要稍微优雅些，稍微经典些

so I rendered it as follows.

所以经过我的渲染，如下

[In Chinese]

"澳中关系最近处于高潮关系"

There was a big pause on the other side of the room.

在房间的另一边，是久久的沉默

You could see the giant pooh-bahs at the head of the horseshoe,

你可以看到马蹄顶端的那些大人物

the blood visibly draining from their faces,

他们脸蹭地一下就充血了

and the junior woodchucks at the other end of the horseshoe

然后马蹄另一端的那些年轻的小兵小将们

engaged in peals of unrestrained laughter.

爆发出一阵阵大笑

Because when I rendered his sentence,

因为当我重新渲染这句话的时候

"Australia and China are enjoying a relationship

“澳中关系目前

of unprecedented closeness,"

是空前的亲密。”

in fact, what I said was that Australia and China

实际上，我说的是澳大利亚和中国

were now experiencing fantastic orgasm.

正在享受绝美的性高潮

(Laughter)

（笑声）

That was the last time I was asked to interpret.

这也是我最后一次被叫去做翻译

But in that little story, there's a wisdom, which is,

但在这个小故事中，却蕴含着道理，就是

as soon as you think you know something about this extraordinary civilization

哪怕你觉得你已经知道这个拥有5000年历史大国

of 5,000 years of continuing history,

博大精深的文明

there's always something new to learn.

总有新的知识值得你去学习

History is against us

当谈到美国与中国

when it comes to the U.S. and China

共筑共同的未来时

forging a common future together.

历史总是与我们背道而驰

This guy up here?

上面的这个人

He's not Chinese and he's not American.

他不是中国人也不是美国人

He's Greek. His name's Thucydides.

他是希腊人，名字叫修昔底德

He wrote the history of the Peloponnesian Wars.

他写伯罗奔尼撒战争的历史

And he made this extraordinary observation

他对雅典和斯巴达

about Athens and Sparta.

有着卓越的观察研究

"It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this inspired in Sparta

“正是雅典的崛起，以及由此引发的斯巴达的恐惧

that made war inevitable."

导致战争不可避免”

And hence, a whole literature about something called the Thucydides Trap.

所以，有了所谓的“修昔底德陷阱”

This guy here? He's not American and he's not Greek. He's Chinese.

这个人，他不是美国人也不是希腊人 他是中国人

His name is Sun Tzu. He wrote "The Art of War,"

他的名字叫孙子 他写了《孙子兵法》

and if you see his statement underneath, it's along these lines:

如果你读他的叙述，也就是下面这行字：

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

“攻其无备, 出其不意”

Not looking good so far for China and the United States.

中国和美国目前看起来不太乐观

This guy is an American. His name's Graham Allison.

这个人是美国人，名字叫格拉阿姆埃里森

In fact, he's a teacher at the Kennedy School

他是波士顿肯尼迪学校

over there in Boston.

的一名老师

He's working on a single project at the moment, which is,

他目前在忙一个项目，就是

does the Thucydides Trap about the inevitably of war

关于两股崛起的力量引发的

between rising powers and established great powers

不可避免的战争的修昔底德陷阱

apply to the future of China-U.S. relations?

是否会应验于中美未来的关系呢？

It's a core question.

这是个核心问题

And what Graham has done is explore 15 cases in history

格拉阿姆研究了自1500年以来

since the 1500s

历史上的15个案子

to establish what the precedents are.

看看前例都是怎样的

And in 11 out of 15 of them,

15个案子中的11个

let me tell you,

让我告诉你们

they've ended in catastrophic war.

它们都已灾难性的战争收尾

You may say, "But Kevin --

你可能会说，“但是，凯文——

or Conqueror of the Classics --

或称你为经典文化的征服者——

that was the past.

那是过去了

We live now in a world of interdependence and globalization.

我们现在生活在一个相互依靠，全球化的世界

It could never happen again."

这种事情不可能再发生了。”

Guess what?

猜怎么着？

The economic historians tell us that in fact,

经济历史学家告诉我们

the time which we reached the greatest point

事实上我们达到经济一体化和全球化

of economic integration and globalization

最鼎盛的时期

was in 1914,

是在1914年

just before that happened, World War I,

就在第一次世界大战之前，

a sobering reflection from history.

这可是发人省心的史鉴

So if we are engaged in this great question

所以如果我们思考这个问题

of how China thinks, feels,

中国是怎么想的

and positions itself towards the United States,

是怎样在美国面前定位自己的

and the reverse,

然后想下美国

how do we get to the baseline

我们怎样才能认识到

of how these two countries and civilizations

这两个国家这两种文明

can possibly work together?

协同发展的底线

Let me first go to, in fact,

我先来说说

China's views of the U.S. and the rest of the West.

中国对美国以及西方国家的观念

Number one: China feels as if it's been humiliated

第一：中国知道在过去的一百年历史里

at the hands of the West through a hundred years of history,

从鸦片战争开始

beginning with the Opium Wars.

备受西方列强的欺辱

When after that, the Western powers carved China up into little pieces,

之后，西方列强瓜分中国

so that by the time it got to the '20s and '30s,

所以在20年代30年代时

signs like this one appeared on the streets of Shanghai.

像这样的告示牌贴上了上海大街小巷

["No dogs and Chinese allowed"]

[狗与华人不得入内]

How would you feel if you were Chinese,

如果你是中国人，在你的国家

in your own country, if you saw that sign appear?

看到这样的牌子，你会有何感受？

China also believes and feels

中国同时也相信

as if, in the events of 1919, at the Peace Conference in Paris,

在1919年，巴黎和会上

when Germany's colonies were given back

当德国的殖民地

to all sorts of countries around in the world,

被归还到世界各国手里时

what about German colonies in China?

德国在中国的殖民地是什么情况呢？

They were, in fact, given to Japan.

它们全给了日本

When Japan then invaded China in the 1930s

当日本在30年代入侵中国时

the world looked away and was indifferent to what would happen to China.

全世界都袖手旁观

And then, on top of that, the Chinese to this day believe

另外，今天的中国人也相信

that the United States and the West

美国和西方国家

do not accept the legitimacy of their political system

并不接受中国政治体系的合法性

because it's so radically different from those of us who come

因为它和我们这些自由民主国家的

from liberal democracies,

有着根本的区别

and believe that the United States to this day is seeking

中国也相信，今天的美国

to undermine their political system.

在伺机破坏他们的政治体系

China also believes that it is being contained

中国也相信

by U.S. allies and by those with strategic partnerships with the U.S.

他们被美国和美国的战略伙伴

right around its periphery.

在周边给包围了

And beyond all that, the Chinese have this feeling

除此之外，中国人觉得

in their heart of hearts and in their gut of guts

打心底里，打肺腑里深信

that those of us in the collective West

西方各国的我们

are just too damned arrogant.

太过高傲了

That is, we don't recognize the problems in our own system,

就是相信，我们没办法意识到自己体系内

in our politics and our economics,

政治方面， 经济方面的问题

and are very quick to point the finger elsewhere,

然后我们就去别人那里指手画脚

and believe that, in fact, we in the collective West

他们也相信，西方列国的我们

are guilty of a great bunch of hypocrisy.

应为我们的虚伪感到羞愧

Of course, in international relations,

当然，在国际关系中

it's not just the sound of one hand clapping.

一个巴掌是拍不响的

There's another country too, and that's called the U.S.

还有另外一个国家呢，那就是美国

So how does the U.S. respond to all of the above?

那么美国史如何回应以上这一切的呢？

The U.S. has a response to each of those.

美国对此一一作出回应

On the question of is the U.S. containing China,

其中一个是美国包围中国

they say, "No, look at the history of the Soviet Union. That was containment."

他们说，“不，看苏联的历史，那才是包围。”

Instead, what we have done in the U.S. and the West

相反，我们在美国和西方国家所做的

is welcome China into the global economy,

是欢迎中国来到世界经济中

and on top of that, welcome them into the World Trade Organization.

另外，我们欢迎他们来到世界贸易组织

The U.S. and the West say China cheats

美国和西方国家说中国

on the question of intellectual property rights,

在知识产权这问题上作假

and through cyberattacks on U.S. and global firms.

对美国和跨国公司进行网络攻击

Furthermore, the United States says that the Chinese political system

还有，美国说中国的政治体系

is fundamentally wrong

的根本是错误的

because it's at such fundamental variance

因为他们在人权，民主，法律上，

to the human rights, democracy, and rule of law that we enjoy

和美国以及西方国家

in the U.S. and the collective West.

有着原则性的差别

And on top of all the above, what does the United States say?

除此之外，美国说了什么？

That they fear that China will, when it has sufficient power,

他们害怕中国，当达到一定国力时

establish a sphere of influence in Southeast Asia and wider East Asia,

会对东南亚和东亚其它地区产生大规模的影响

boot the United States out,

把美国踢出局

and in time, when it's powerful enough,

当一定时候，当中国国力强盛时

unilaterally seek to change the rules of the global order.

会单方面寻机改变世界秩序

So apart from all of that, it's just fine and dandy,

除了这些吵闹，中美关系

the U.S.-China relationship.

还是平和融洽

No real problems there.

没什么大问题

The challenge, though, is given those deep-rooted feelings,

而问题，在于那些根深蒂固的感觉

those deep-rooted emotions and thought patterns,

那些根深蒂固的情绪 以及思考模式

what the Chinese call "Sīwéi," ways of thinking,

中国人称之为“思维”，思考方式

how can we craft a basis for a common future between these two?

我们要如何为两国共同的未来打造一个基础呢？

I argue simply this:

我简单说下我的观点：

We can do it on the basis on a framework

我们可以在有建设性的现实主义框架上

of constructive realism for a common purpose.

为了共同目标，建造这个基础

What do I mean by that?

什么意思呢？

Be realistic about the things that we disagree on,

就是对我们有分歧的事物，要面对现实

and a management approach that doesn't enable

以一种管理手段

any one of those differences to break into war or conflict

不让任何差异导致战争或冲突

until we've acquired the diplomatic skills to solve them.

直到我们找到外交手段去解决它们

Be constructive in areas of the bilateral, regional and global engagement

两国在双边，区域，以及全球对话上

between the two,

要有建设性

which will make a difference for all of humankind.

这对全人类都会有好处

Build a regional institution capable of cooperation in Asia,

建立促进在亚洲合作的区域机构

an Asia-Pacific community.

一个亚太共同体

And worldwide, act further,

全球性范围的，则要做得更远些

like you've begun to do at the end of last year

像你们去年年末开始那样

by striking out against climate change

携手合力共同对付全球气候变化问题

with hands joined together rather than fists apart.

而非拳拳相向。

Of course, all that happens if you've got a common mechanism

当然，这一切只有在你们有共同机制

and political will to achieve the above.

以及共同政治意图，才能取得以上目标

These things are deliverable.

这些都是可以做到的

But the question is, are they deliverable alone?

但问题是，这些能单独实现吗？

This is what our head tells us we need to do,

这是我们大脑告诉我们要去做的

but what about our heart?

但我们的心呢？

I have a little experience in the question back home

在澳洲时，我在一个问题上有个小经历

of how you try to bring together two peoples

问题就是如何把两个民族团结在一起

who, frankly, haven't had a whole lot in common in the past.

老实说，他们在过去并没有太多共同点

And that's when I apologized to Australia's indigenous peoples.

所以我当时跟澳洲本土人民道歉了

This was a day of reckoning in the Australian government,

这是澳洲政府，澳洲国会

the Australian parliament, and for the Australian people.

也是为澳洲人民清算的一天

After 200 years of unbridled abuse towards the first Australians,

在对澳洲原住民无情虐待200年后

it was high time that we white folks said we were sorry.

是时候让我们白种人为之道歉了

The important thing --

重要的是——

(Applause)

（掌声）

The important thing that I remember is staring in the faces

重要的是，我记得

of all those from Aboriginal Australia

当他们来听道歉的时候

as they came to listen to this apology.

看着那些来自澳洲本土人民的脸

It was extraordinary to see, for example,

很特别的经历，例如

old women telling me the stories of when they were five years old

老妇人们对我述说他们五岁时

and literally ripped away from their parents,

被人从父母身边夺走的故事

like this lady here.

像这边这位女士

It was extraordinary for me to then be able to embrace

当原住民老人进入国会大厦时

and to kiss Aboriginal elders as they came into the parliament building,

我能够去拥抱并亲吻他们， 对我来说是很特别的事

and one woman said to me,

有一位老妇人对我说

it's the first time a white fella had ever kissed her in her life,

这是她人生第一次被白种人亲吻

and she was over 70.

她当时已经年过70了

That's a terrible story.

这是个悲伤的故事

And then I remember this family saying to me,

然后我记得这个家庭跟我说

"You know, we drove all the way from the far North down to Canberra

“你知道吗，我们从北边一直开车

to come to this thing,

到堪培拉，来到这里

drove our way through redneck country.

一路开过乡下农村

On the way back, stopped at a cafe after the apology for a milkshake."

在回去的路上，在道歉会后 在一家咖啡馆停下来要了杯奶昔

And they walked into this cafe quietly, tentatively, gingerly,

他们安静地，试探性地，小心翼翼地 走进这家咖啡馆

a little anxious.

有点不安

I think you know what I'm talking about.

我想你们知道我在说什么

But the day after the apology, what happened?

但在道歉会那天之后，发生了什么呢？

Everyone in that cafe, every one of the white folks,

咖啡馆里的每个人，每个白种人

stood up and applauded.

都站起来鼓掌

Something had happened in the hearts of these people in Australia.

在澳洲的人民心里，有了些变化

The white folks, our Aboriginal brothers and sisters,

白种人，我们的土著兄弟姐妹

and we haven't solved all these problems together,

我们还没有共同解决所有的这些问题

but let me tell you, there was a new beginning

但让我告诉你们， 我们有了一个新的开始

because we had gone not just to the head,

因为我们不但用脑去思考

we'd gone also to the heart.

我们更用心去感受

So where does that conclude in terms of the great question

所以就我们今晚所提出的那个大问题

that we've been asked to address this evening,

就是中美关系的未来这一问题

which is the future of U.S.-China relations?

这个故事的启发在哪呢？

The head says there's a way forward.

大脑告诉我们前方有路

The head says there is a policy framework, there's a common narrative,

大脑告诉我们有一个政策框架， 有共同的语言

there's a mechanism through regular summitry

我们可以通过常规峰会

to do these things and to make them better.

这样的途径去做这些事情，改善这些事情

But the heart must also find a way to reimagine the possibilities

但我们的心也必须寻找途径

of the America-China relationship,

去实现中美关系的这些可能性

and the possibilities of China's future engagement in the world.

去实现未来中国与世界交流的可能性

Sometimes, folks, we just need to take a leap of faith

各位，有时候，我们只是需要跨越信任的一步

not quite knowing where we might land.

也许我们不知道我们可能在哪里着陆

In China, they now talk about the Chinese Dream.

在中国，他们在谈论中国梦

In America, we're all familiar with the term "the American Dream."

在美国，我们已经对”美国梦“很熟悉了

I think it's time, across the world,

我觉得是时候，在全世界

that we're able to think also of something we might also call

我们可以思考一些我们可以称之为

a dream for all humankind.

人类梦的东西了

Because if we do that,

因为如果我们这么做

we might just change the way

我们可能可以改变

that we think about each other.

我们评价对方的方式

[In Chinese]

[人类梦]

That's my challenge to America. That's my challenge to China.

那是我对美国的挑战 那是我对中国的挑战

That's my challenge to all of us,

那是我对我们所有人的挑战

but I think where there's a will and where there is imagination

但我觉得有愿望，有想象力

we can turn this into a future

我们就能通过和平共同繁荣

driven by peace and prosperity

将之实现

and not once again repeat

而非再一次

the tragedies of war.

重蹈战争悲剧的覆辙

I thank you.

我谢谢你们

(Applause)

（掌声）

Chris Anderson: Thanks so much for that. Thanks so much for that.

克里斯·安德森：非常感谢，非常感谢

It feels like you yourself have a role to play in this bridging.

听起来你在这中间有着重要的责任

You, in a way, are uniquely placed to speak to both sides.

你，在某种方式，处于特殊地位去向双方演说。

Kevin Rudd: Well, what we Australians do best is organize the drinks,

凯文·路德：嗯，我们澳洲人们最棒的就是组织酒会

so you get them together in one room, and we suggest this and suggest that,

所以你把他们召集到一个房间来， 然后我们提议这提议那

then we go and get the drinks.

然后我们喝喝酒

But no, look, for all of us who are friends

但，因为都是两国的朋友，中国和美国

of these two great countries, America and China,

所以对于我们来说

you can do something.

你可以有所作为

You can make a practical contribution,

你可以有实际性的贡献

and for all you good folks here,

而且对于在座的所有好人来说

next time you meet someone from China,

下一次你见到从中国来的人们

sit down and have a conversation.

坐下来，聊聊天

See what you can find out about where they come from and what they think,

看看你能否发现他们来自哪里，有何想法

and my challenge for all the Chinese folks

然后我对所有准备有空看这个TED Talk

who are going to watch this TED Talk at some time

的那些中国人的挑战

is do the same.

也这样做

Two of us seeking to change the world can actually make a huge difference.

双方都想要改变世界就能真的能做出巨大的改变

Those of us up the middle, we can make a small contribution.

我们这些处在中间的人，也可以做出些小贡献

CA: Kevin, all power to you, my friend. Thank you.

克：凯文，加油，我的朋友，谢谢你。

KR: Thank you. Thank you, folks.

凯：谢谢，谢谢你们。

(Applause)

（掌声）