Are China and the US doomed to conflict? | Kevin Rudd

譯者: Harry Chen 審譯者: 杏儀 歐陽

G'day, my name's Kevin.

大家好！我是凱文，

I'm from Australia. I'm here to help.

我來自澳洲，我是來救你們的！

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

Tonight, I want to talk about a tale of two cities.

今晚我想要談另一本雙城記，

One of those cities is called Washington, and the other is called Beijing.

一個是華盛頓另一個則是北京。

Because how these two capitals shape their future

因為這兩大首都 要如何打造它們共同的未來 ，

and the future of the United States and the future of China

美國的未來和中國的未來，

doesn't just affect those two countries,

不只是影響這兩個國家，

it affects all of us

還會影響到我們每一個人；

in ways, perhaps, we've never thought of:

也許透過我們從沒想到過的方式，

the air we breathe, the water we drink,

諸如我們呼吸的空氣、所喝的水、

the fish we eat, the quality of our oceans,

所吃的魚、海洋的品質、

the languages we speak in the future,

未來所使用的語言、

the jobs we have, the political systems we choose,

所擁有的工作、所選擇的政治制度，

and, of course, the great questions of war and peace.

還有對戰爭及和平的大哉問等等。

You see that bloke? He's French.

看見這個人沒 ? 他是法國人，

His name is Napoleon.

他叫「拿破崙」，

A couple of hundred years ago,

數百年前他做出這個 令人意想不到的預言：

he made this extraordinary projection:

"China is a sleeping lion, and when she awakes,

「中國是沉睡中的獅子，

當她醒來時，這個世界將會晃動！」

the world will shake."

Napoleon got a few things wrong;

拿破崙以前做錯過一些事，

he got this one absolutely right.

他講這句話卻是一分不差的，

Because China is today not just woken up,

因為今天中國不只醒來了，

China has stood up and China is on the march,

還站了起來，向前邁進。

and the question for us all

對我們所有人來講，

is where will China go

問題是中國會往那裡去 ?

and how do we engage this giant of the 21st century?

還有我們該如何與這個 二十一世紀的巨頭打交道 ?

You start looking at the numbers, they start to confront you in a big way.

你們正看著的這些數據， 會極大地挑戰你的設想，

It's projected that China will become,

數據預測中國 在任何計算方法之下 ，

by whichever measure -- PPP, market exchange rates --

例如購買力平價、市場匯率等，

the largest economy in the world

在未來的十年內，

over the course of the decade ahead.

將會成為世界上最大的經濟體。

They're already the largest trading nation,

中國已經是最大的貿易國家、

already the largest exporting nation,

最大的出口國、

already the largest manufacturing nation,

最大的製造國家，

and they're also the biggest emitters of carbon in the world.

還是世界上最大的碳排放體，

America comes second.

美國則是第二大的碳排放體。

So if China does become the world's largest economy,

所以如果中國成為了 世界上最大的經濟體，

think about this:

想一下這情景，

It'll be the first time

這將會是第一次，

since this guy was on the throne of England --

打從這位老兄 ─ 喬治三世 貴為英國國王以來 ，

George III, not a good friend of Napoleon's --

他跟破崙的交情不太好，

that in the world we will have as the largest economy

我們即將有世界最大的一個經濟體

a non-English speaking country,

既乃非英語系國家、

a non-Western country,

非西方的國家、

a non-liberal democratic country.

非自由民主制國家。

And if you don't think that's going to affect

假使你不認為這會影響到

the way in which the world happens in the future,

未來會發生在世界的事，

then personally, I think you've been smoking something,

我單方面認為你可能抽過什麼煙了，

and it doesn't mean you're from Colorado.

這不代表你是來自科羅拉多州啦。

So in short, the question we have tonight is,

簡言之今晚我們的問題就是

how do we understand this mega-change,

我們要如何來認清這個巨大的變動？

which I believe to be the biggest change for the first half of the 21st century?

我認為這會是二十一世紀 上半世紀最大的變動。

It'll affect so many things.

這會影響到很多事情，

It will go to the absolute core.

這絕對會是關鍵，

It's happening quietly. It's happening persistently.

變動正安靜、持續地在上演，

It's happening in some senses under the radar,

正在你掌握不到的地方上演，

as we are all preoccupied with

當我們全心關注在烏克蘭會怎樣、

what's going in Ukraine, what's going on in the Middle East,

中東會怎樣、

what's going on with ISIS, what's going on with ISIL,

伊斯蘭國會怎樣、

what's happening with the future of our economies.

我們經濟的未來又會怎樣？

This is a slow and quiet revolution.

這是緩慢、安靜的變革。

And with a mega-change comes also a mega-challenge,

巨大的變動同時會帶來巨大的挑戰，

and the mega-challenge is this:

而巨大的挑戰就是這兩個超級城市 ─

Can these two great countries,

China and the United States --

中國與美國，

China,

中國 ─

the Middle Kingdom,

天下中心的國度；

and the United States,

還有，美國

Měiguó --

其中文意思是美麗的國家，

which in Chinese, by the way, means "the beautiful country."

Think about that -- that's the name that China has given this country

這個名字是早在一百年前 中國幫它取的。

for more than a hundred years.

Whether these two great civilizations, these two great countries,

這兩個偉大的文明、國家，

can in fact carve out a common future

是否可以在現實中 為他們自己以及這世界

for themselves and for the world?

開創出共同的未來？

In short, can we carve out a future

簡言之我們能否開創出

which is peaceful and mutually prosperous,

和平共榮的未來呢？

or are we looking at a great challenge

還是我們即將要面臨

of war or peace?

要戰爭或是和平的巨大挑戰？

And I have 15 minutes to work through war or peace,

而我有15分鐘的時間 來講要戰爭或是和平，

which is a little less time

比起他們給這傢伙寫 「戰爭與和平」這本書的時間，

than they gave this guy to write a book called "War and Peace."

我們的時間有點緊湊！

People ask me, why is it that a kid growing up in rural Australia

人們問我為什麼一個 在澳洲鄉間長大的小孩

got interested in learning Chinese?

會想要學習中文呢？

Well, there are two reasons for that.

我有兩個理由，

Here's the first of them.

這是其中第一個：貝蒂牛

That's Betsy the cow.

Now, Betsy the cow was one of a herd of dairy cattle

貝蒂牛是一種乳牛，

that I grew up with on a farm in rural Australia.

我在澳洲鄉間與牠們一起長大，

See those hands there? These are not built for farming.

看到這兩隻手了嗎？ 它們並不是用來做農事的。

So very early on, I discovered that in fact, working in a farm

所以從很早開始我就發現了，

事實上在農場工作並不適合我，

was not designed for me, and China was a very safe remove

而中國是一個非常安全的地方 能遠離在澳洲農場工作的生活。

from any career in Australian farm life.

Here's the second reason.

這是第二個理由：我媽媽

That's my mom.

Anyone here ever listen to what their mom told them to do?

這裡有誰曾經認真聽過媽媽的話？

Everyone ever do what their mom told them to do?

有誰曾經就照著去做呢？

I rarely did,

我很少做到過。

but what my mom said to me was,

但是我媽媽跟我說的話，

one day, she handed me a newspaper,

有天她遞給了我一份報紙，

a headline which said, here we have a huge change.

頭條告訴我們現在有了重大的變動，

And that change is China entering the United Nations.

變動就是中國即將要加入聯合國，

1971, I had just turned 14 years of age,

在 1971 年我剛滿14歲，

and she handed me this headline.

她遞給了我這則頭條新聞，

And she said, "Understand this, learn this,

她說看懂來、記起來，

because it's going to affect your future."

因為這將會影響到你的未來！

So being a very good student of history,

因此身為一個優秀的歷史系學生，

I decided that the best thing for me to do was, in fact,

我決定好我最該做的事情，

to go off and learn Chinese.

就是去學中文。

The great thing about learning Chinese

學中文最棒的事情就是 中文老師會幫你取一個新名字，

is that your Chinese teacher gives you a new name.

And so they gave me this name:

因此他們幫我取這個新名字，

Kè, which means to overcome or to conquer,

「克」：代表克服或是征服，

and Wén, and that's the character for literature or the arts.

「文」：就是代表文學或藝術的字，

Kè Wén, Conqueror of the Classics.

「克文」：征服經典文學的人，

Any of you guys called "Kevin"?

你們有誰叫「凱文」的嗎？

It's a major lift from being called Kevin to be called Conqueror of the Classics.

這是個重大的升等，從「凱文」到 被叫成「征服經典文學的人」。

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

I've been called Kevin all my life.

我已經被叫「凱文」一輩子了，

Have you been called Kevin all your life?

你們是不是也已經被叫 「凱文」一輩子了呢？

Would you prefer to be called Conqueror of the Classics?

你會不會更喜歡被叫成 「征服經典文學的人」呢？

And so I went off after that and joined the Australian Foreign Service,

所以後來我就飛去了中國， 進入了澳洲外事館工作，

but here is where pride -- before pride, there always comes a fall.

但那裡人外有人、天外有天， 你總有踢到鐵板的時候。

So there I am in the embassy in Beijing,

我是在北京的澳洲外館，

off to the Great Hall of the People

就在人民大會堂的旁邊，

with our ambassador, who had asked me to interpret for his first meeting

陪著我們的大使，他讓我為他在 人民大會堂的第一場會議做翻譯。

in the Great Hall of the People.

And so there was I.

所以我就在那裡，

If you've been to a Chinese meeting, it's a giant horseshoe.

假使你曾經參加過中國人的會議， 那是大型的U型桌，

At the head of the horsehoe are the really serious pooh-bahs,

在 U 型桌頂部是非常顯赫的 高官領導人，

and down the end of the horseshoe are the not-so-serious pooh-bahs,

而在桌尾則是沒那麼顯赫的高官領導人、

the junior woodchucks like me.

以及像我一般的小助理們。

And so the ambassador began with this inelegant phrase.

而大使先生一開頭就講了句粗俗的話，

He said, "China and Australia are currently enjoying a relationship

他說：「中國與澳洲最近正享受著

of unprecedented closeness."

前所未見的親密關係！」

And I thought to myself,

我自己想說

"That sounds clumsy. That sounds odd.

這聽起來很不得體又奇怪，

I will improve it."

我要給它修改一下。

Note to file: Never do that.

記進你的筆記裡：「千萬別做這種事！」

It needed to be a little more elegant, a little more classical,

這句話需要更優雅、更經典一些，

so I rendered it as follows.

所以我翻譯如下：

[In Chinese]

「 澳、中關係最近處於 高潮關係 [中語]」，

There was a big pause on the other side of the room.

整個房間的其他角落都停頓了，

You could see the giant pooh-bahs at the head of the horseshoe,

你可以看見巨型U形桌頂部的 高官領導人們整個臉色翻白，

the blood visibly draining from their faces,

and the junior woodchucks at the other end of the horseshoe

在 U 型桌尾端另一邊的小助理，

engaged in peals of unrestrained laughter.

發出了毫不節制的宏亮笑聲。

Because when I rendered his sentence,

因為當我在翻譯大使的句子 ，

"Australia and China are enjoying a relationship

「澳洲與中國正享受著

of unprecedented closeness,"

前所未見的親密關係。」

in fact, what I said was that Australia and China

我實際上所說的卻是「澳洲與中國

were now experiencing fantastic orgasm.

現在正體驗著絕妙的性高潮」，

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

That was the last time I was asked to interpret.

那是我最後一次被要求做翻譯。

But in that little story, there's a wisdom, which is,

但是在這個小故事裡 有讓人長智慧的事，

as soon as you think you know something about this extraordinary civilization

就是當你認為你瞭解了這個

有連續五千年歷史之 不凡文化的某些東西，

of 5,000 years of continuing history,

there's always something new to learn.

總還是有新東西得學。

History is against us

歷史是跟我們反向的，

when it comes to the U.S. and China

當美國和中國

forging a common future together.

要一起打造出一個共同的未來，

This guy up here?

看到上頭這個人沒？

He's not Chinese and he's not American.

他不是中國人、也不是美國人，

He's Greek. His name's Thucydides.

他是希臘人名叫「修昔底德」，

He wrote the history of the Peloponnesian Wars.

他寫了「伯羅奔尼撒戰爭史」，

And he made this extraordinary observation

就雅典與斯巴達的關係 他做出這個不凡的觀察 ：

about Athens and Sparta.

"It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this inspired in Sparta

「正是雅典的崛起以及斯巴達被引發之恐懼，

that made war inevitable."

使得戰爭避無可避。」

And hence, a whole literature about something called the Thucydides Trap.

因此整本書講的是 所謂的「修昔底德陷阱」。

This guy here? He's not American and he's not Greek. He's Chinese.

這傢伙他不是美國人、不是希臘人， 他是個中國人，

His name is Sun Tzu. He wrote "The Art of War,"

他的名字是「孫子」， 他寫了「孫子兵法」；

and if you see his statement underneath, it's along these lines:

如果大家看看下面的銘文， 就明白他文章的深意：

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

「攻其不備，出其不意」

Not looking good so far for China and the United States.

用在中國和美國之間 好像不太好。

This guy is an American. His name's Graham Allison.

這位老兄是美國人， 叫做「葛雷厄姆‧艾利森」，

In fact, he's a teacher at the Kennedy School

事實上他是哈佛大學 甘迺迪政府學院的老師，

over there in Boston.

就在波士頓那邊，

He's working on a single project at the moment, which is,

他此時正在做單一計畫的研究：

does the Thucydides Trap about the inevitably of war

「在崛起的力量與既有最大力量之間，

between rising powers and established great powers

有關戰爭避無可避的修昔底德陷阱，

apply to the future of China-U.S. relations?

是否可適用於未來的中美關係？」

It's a core question.

這是個關鍵的問題。

And what Graham has done is explore 15 cases in history

葛雷厄姆所做的就是探究 自從西元1,500年以來

since the 1500s

歷史裡的15個案例，

to establish what the precedents are.

來確定這些先例的本質；

And in 11 out of 15 of them,

讓我來告訴你，

let me tell you,

它們 15 個裡面有 11 個，

they've ended in catastrophic war.

是完覆於災禍性之戰爭。

You may say, "But Kevin --

你可能會說：「不過凱文

or Conqueror of the Classics --

或是征服經典文學的人，

that was the past.

那是往事了，

We live now in a world of interdependence and globalization.

我們現在是活在一個 互相依靠和全球化的世界，

It could never happen again."

不可能會再發生那種事的啦！」

Guess what?

你猜怎麼著，

The economic historians tell us that in fact,

經濟歷史學家告訴我們，

事實上我們達到經濟整合和 全球化之最高境界，

the time which we reached the greatest point

of economic integration and globalization

was in 1914,

時間是在 1914年，

just before that happened, World War I,

剛好在「第一次世界大戰」發生前，

a sobering reflection from history.

那是一個來自歷史發人深省的思辨。

So if we are engaged in this great question

因此要是我們要探討

of how China thinks, feels,

中國、美國是如何思考、感受、 以及定位自己與對方的關係，

and positions itself towards the United States,

and the reverse,

how do we get to the baseline

我們如何營造出

of how these two countries and civilizations

讓這兩個國家合作之基礎。

can possibly work together?

Let me first go to, in fact,

讓我先來講

China's views of the U.S. and the rest of the West.

在現實中，中國對美國 和其他西方國家的觀點，

Number one: China feels as if it's been humiliated

第一點、中國覺得是讓人糟蹋了，

at the hands of the West through a hundred years of history,

在長達一百年歷史的西方折磨，

beginning with the Opium Wars.

始於「鴉片戰爭」，

When after that, the Western powers carved China up into little pieces,

其後西方列強分割中國使其破碎，

so that by the time it got to the '20s and '30s,

這時候時間來到了20至30年代，

signs like this one appeared on the streets of Shanghai.

像這種的標語出現在上海的街頭上 ：

["No dogs and Chinese allowed"]

[ 狗與中國人禁止進入！]

How would you feel if you were Chinese,

要是在自己的國家看到了這標語，

in your own country, if you saw that sign appear?

假若你是中國人會有什麼感受呢？

China also believes and feels

中國也相信和感受到

as if, in the events of 1919, at the Peace Conference in Paris,

如同 1919 年在「巴黎和會」上的事項，

when Germany's colonies were given back

當時德國的殖民地都被還給 世界上的所有國家，

to all sorts of countries around in the world,

what about German colonies in China?

而德國在中國的殖民地怎麼了？

They were, in fact, given to Japan.

它們被還給了日本，

When Japan then invaded China in the 1930s

當日本在1930 年代侵略中國，

the world looked away and was indifferent to what would happen to China.

這世界當成眼不見為淨， 並且對中國的事和未來很冷淡，

And then, on top of that, the Chinese to this day believe

此外直到今天中國堅信

that the United States and the West

美國和西方

do not accept the legitimacy of their political system

並不承認其政治體系的正當性，

because it's so radically different from those of us who come

因為其大大有異於那些自由民主國家，

from liberal democracies,

and believe that the United States to this day is seeking

而且堅信美國直到今天 還試圖要破壞他們的政治體系，

to undermine their political system.

China also believes that it is being contained

中國也堅信它被美國的盟友，

by U.S. allies and by those with strategic partnerships with the U.S.

和那些中國周邊與美國 做策略同盟的國家給制約住。

right around its periphery.

And beyond all that, the Chinese have this feeling

此外中國人在其內心深處、 骨子裡有這種感覺，

in their heart of hearts and in their gut of guts

that those of us in the collective West

那些合稱西方的我們

are just too damned arrogant.

不過就是傲慢至極罷了，

That is, we don't recognize the problems in our own system,

我們並沒有找出自身體系上、 政治上和經濟上的問題

in our politics and our economics,

and are very quick to point the finger elsewhere,

但卻很會來指責別人，

and believe that, in fact, we in the collective West

中國還認為合稱西方的我們

are guilty of a great bunch of hypocrisy.

在一大串的偽善行為裡是有過錯的。

Of course, in international relations,

當然了，

國際關係一個巴掌是拍不響的，

it's not just the sound of one hand clapping.

There's another country too, and that's called the U.S.

也還有另一個的國家， 它就叫做「美國」。

So how does the U.S. respond to all of the above?

那麼美國如何回應所有以上這些呢？

The U.S. has a response to each of those.

美國對以上每一點都做了回應；

On the question of is the U.S. containing China,

在美國是否制約著中國這問題上，

they say, "No, look at the history of the Soviet Union. That was containment."

美國說：「才不是呢， 看看蘇聯的歷史，那才叫制約！

Instead, what we have done in the U.S. and the West

相反地我們美國和西方

is welcome China into the global economy,

歡迎中國進到全球經濟裡頭，

and on top of that, welcome them into the World Trade Organization.

除此之外還歡迎他們進入 世界貿易組織。」

The U.S. and the West say China cheats

美國和西方說中國在 智慧財產權的問題上作假，

on the question of intellectual property rights,

and through cyberattacks on U.S. and global firms.

而且透由網路來打擊美國 和跨國的公司；

Furthermore, the United States says that the Chinese political system

更甚者美國說中國的政治體系 徹底就是個錯誤，

is fundamentally wrong

because it's at such fundamental variance

因為它在本質上是如此殊異於

to the human rights, democracy, and rule of law that we enjoy

美國與合稱西方的我們所享有的 人權、民主、法制；

in the U.S. and the collective West.

And on top of all the above, what does the United States say?

除此以外，美國還說了什麼？

That they fear that China will, when it has sufficient power,

美國擔心當中國有了足夠力量

establish a sphere of influence in Southeast Asia and wider East Asia,

將會營造一個影響 東南亞和大東亞的氛圍

boot the United States out,

要把美國趕走，

and in time, when it's powerful enough,

當中國夠強大了，

unilaterally seek to change the rules of the global order.

就會試圖單方面地來 改變全球秩序的常規。

So apart from all of that, it's just fine and dandy,

除了以上講的這些之外，

美中關係還是良好的，

the U.S.-China relationship.

No real problems there.

並沒有實質的問題存在。

The challenge, though, is given those deep-rooted feelings,

然而，挑戰正是那些根深蒂固的感受，

those deep-rooted emotions and thought patterns,

那些根深蒂固的情緒以及想法，

what the Chinese call "Sīwéi," ways of thinking,

也就是中國人所謂的「思維」， 亦即思考的方式，

how can we craft a basis for a common future between these two?

我們可以如何打造出 兩者之間共同未來的基礎？

I argue simply this:

我只想講這個：

We can do it on the basis on a framework

「為了共同目標，在有建設性之 務實基礎上，我們做得到。」

of constructive realism for a common purpose.

What do I mean by that?

什麼意思呢？

Be realistic about the things that we disagree on,

對我們不認同的事情上要務實，

and a management approach that doesn't enable

而且運用方法讓這些差異

any one of those differences to break into war or conflict

無法引起戰事或衝突，

until we've acquired the diplomatic skills to solve them.

直到我們終於具備可解決 這些問題的外交技巧。

Be constructive in areas of the bilateral, regional and global engagement

在這兩大國之間雙邊、區域、

between the two,

全球參與的領域要有建設性，

which will make a difference for all of humankind.

那將會對所有人類有利；

Build a regional institution capable of cooperation in Asia,

成立區域性的機構，一個亞太團體，

an Asia-Pacific community.

讓亞太區域的合作可行。

And worldwide, act further,

在全球有更大的動作，

like you've begun to do at the end of last year

就像你們去年年底開始那樣

by striking out against climate change

攜手協力來抵制氣候變化，

with hands joined together rather than fists apart.

而非以拳頭相對。

Of course, all that happens if you've got a common mechanism

當然，這前提是 你們有一個共有的機制，

and political will to achieve the above.

和政治意志來達成這一事業，

These things are deliverable.

這些事是可以實現的。

But the question is, are they deliverable alone?

不過問題是： 單邊努力是否能實現這些？

This is what our head tells us we need to do,

理智告訴我們應該要做這些事，

but what about our heart?

但是我們的內心呢？

I have a little experience in the question back home

我在國內對這問題有些許經驗，

of how you try to bring together two peoples

要是兩個民族在過去 不曾有過太多的共通處

who, frankly, haven't had a whole lot in common in the past.

如何讓他們站在一起？

And that's when I apologized to Australia's indigenous peoples.

那時我向澳洲的原住民致歉，

This was a day of reckoning in the Australian government,

這對澳洲政府、國會、澳洲的百姓來說

the Australian parliament, and for the Australian people.

是個翻舊帳的日子，

After 200 years of unbridled abuse towards the first Australians,

經過兩百年對澳洲原住民 無止境的折磨以來，

it was high time that we white folks said we were sorry.

我們白人早就該說對不起了。

The important thing --

很重要的一件事 ，

(Applause)

(掌聲)

The important thing that I remember is staring in the faces

我記得很重要的一件事是

當那些澳洲土著來聽這個道歉時，

of all those from Aboriginal Australia

as they came to listen to this apology.

凝視著他們的臉；

It was extraordinary to see, for example,

很難置信，比方說

old women telling me the stories of when they were five years old

年長女性們告訴我，當她們五歲大時，

and literally ripped away from their parents,

硬生生從父母身邊被帶走了的故事，

like this lady here.

像是這邊的這位女士。

It was extraordinary for me to then be able to embrace

對我來說非凡的是， 澳洲土著長者來到國會大樓時

and to kiss Aboriginal elders as they came into the parliament building,

我能夠擁抱和親吻他們；

and one woman said to me,

一位女性跟我說

it's the first time a white fella had ever kissed her in her life,

在她生命裡這是第一次 被白人小哥親過，

and she was over 70.

她當時已經70多歲了，

That's a terrible story.

這是令人難過的事。

And then I remember this family saying to me,

之後我記得有個家庭向我說道：

"You know, we drove all the way from the far North down to Canberra

「我們從遙遠的北方 一路開車下殺到坎培拉，

to come to this thing,

為了這件事而來，

drove our way through redneck country.

一路穿越鄉巴佬地區，

On the way back, stopped at a cafe after the apology for a milkshake."

接受道歉後回程路上 停在一間咖啡館買杯奶昔。」

And they walked into this cafe quietly, tentatively, gingerly,

他們安靜地、試探性地、輕手輕腳地

a little anxious.

帶點焦慮地走進咖啡館。

I think you know what I'm talking about.

我想你應該知道我在講什麼，

But the day after the apology, what happened?

但是道歉後的那天發生了什麼事呢？

Everyone in that cafe, every one of the white folks,

咖啡館的每個人、每個白人，

stood up and applauded.

站了起來還鼓掌，

Something had happened in the hearts of these people in Australia.

在這些澳洲人的心中已經產生了變化，

The white folks, our Aboriginal brothers and sisters,

這些白人、澳洲土著同胞心中 發生了變化。

and we haven't solved all these problems together,

雖然我們還沒把所有問題處理好，

but let me tell you, there was a new beginning

但是讓我來告訴你，那是個新開始，

because we had gone not just to the head,

因為我們不只理智上接受了，

we'd gone also to the heart.

我們心裡也接受了。

So where does that conclude in terms of the great question

所以這如何總結我們今晚

that we've been asked to address this evening,

所要處理的大問題？

which is the future of U.S.-China relations?

亦即美中關係的將來會怎樣？

The head says there's a way forward.

理智告訴我們有辦法前進，

The head says there is a policy framework, there's a common narrative,

理智告訴我們透過例行高峰會議

借助政策系統、共同的故事、機制，

there's a mechanism through regular summitry

to do these things and to make them better.

來做這些事情使其更好。

But the heart must also find a way to reimagine the possibilities

不過內心也一定要找出個方法來重新想像

of the America-China relationship,

美中關係的可能性，

and the possibilities of China's future engagement in the world.

以及未來中國參與世界的可能性。

Sometimes, folks, we just need to take a leap of faith

有時候我們只是需要跳出深信的道理，

not quite knowing where we might land.

不必太清楚我們會掉落在那兒。

In China, they now talk about the Chinese Dream.

在中國他們現在談著「中國夢」，

In America, we're all familiar with the term "the American Dream."

在美國的話我們都熟識 「美國夢」這個詞兒，

I think it's time, across the world,

我認為對全世界來說是時候

that we're able to think also of something we might also call

我們也能夠來思考我們所謂的

a dream for all humankind.

「人類夢」，

Because if we do that,

因為假使我們這麼做了，

we might just change the way

我們可能剛好改變了

that we think about each other.

我們看待彼此的方式。

人類夢 [中語]，

[In Chinese]

That's my challenge to America. That's my challenge to China.

那是我給美國的挑戰， 那是我給中國的挑戰，

That's my challenge to all of us,

那是我給我們所有人的挑戰。

but I think where there's a will and where there is imagination

不過我認為只要有意願、有想像力，

we can turn this into a future

我們就可以把實現

driven by peace and prosperity

由和平共榮所帶動的未來，

and not once again repeat

而不會再次重蹈戰爭的悲劇，

the tragedies of war.

I thank you.

謝謝大家！

(Applause)

(掌聲)

Chris Anderson: Thanks so much for that. Thanks so much for that.

克里斯‧安德森：「太感謝您了！」

It feels like you yourself have a role to play in this bridging.

感覺就像你在橋介上 也扮演著一個角色，

You, in a way, are uniquely placed to speak to both sides.

你找了一個獨特的位置 講給雙邊聽。

Kevin Rudd: Well, what we Australians do best is organize the drinks,

陸克文：我們澳洲人擅長於安排酒會，

so you get them together in one room, and we suggest this and suggest that,

所以你把人們聚在房間裡， 我們提這樣那樣的建議，

then we go and get the drinks.

接著我們一起去喝酒。

But no, look, for all of us who are friends

不過，我們當中

of these two great countries, America and China,

與美中這兩大國結交的朋友，

you can do something.

你可以來做些什麼事的，

You can make a practical contribution,

你可以產生實質的貢獻，

and for all you good folks here,

所有在場的有心人

next time you meet someone from China,

下次你碰上來自中國的人，

sit down and have a conversation.

坐下來一起聊個天，

See what you can find out about where they come from and what they think,

看你可以從他們的出處和思維發現些什麼，

and my challenge for all the Chinese folks

我也對看到這個TED 演說的 所有中國人下這個挑戰，

who are going to watch this TED Talk at some time

is do the same.

也一起來這樣做。

Two of us seeking to change the world can actually make a huge difference.

只要雙方希望改變世界， 就可以真的做出一番成績，

Those of us up the middle, we can make a small contribution.

我們這些處於中間的人物 也可以做出一些小貢獻，

CA: Kevin, all power to you, my friend. Thank you.

克里斯‧安德森：「我的朋友， 再接再勵！感謝你！」

KR: Thank you. Thank you, folks.

陸克文：「謝謝！謝謝大家！」

(Applause)

(鼓掌)