How to motivate people to do good for others | Erez Yoeli

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00:13
How can we get people to do more good,
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Namna gani tunaweza wafanya watu kutenda mema zaidi,
00:16
to go to the polls, give to charity, conserve resources,
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kwenda katika uchaguzi, kujitolea msaada, kutunza rasilimali,
00:20
or even to do something as simple as washing their mugs at work
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au hata kufanya kitu rahisi kama kuosha vikombe vyao wakiwa kazini
00:24
so that the sink isn't always full of dirty dishes?
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ili sinki lisiwe muda wote limejaa vyombo vichafu?
00:26
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
00:28
(Applause)
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(Makofi)
00:33
When I first started working on this problem,
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Nilipoanza kushughulikia hili tatizo,
00:35
I collaborated with a power company
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Nilishirikiana na kampuni ya nishati
00:37
to recruit customers for a program that prevents blackouts
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kuwapa mafunzo wateja kuhusu programu inayozuia kukatika kwa umeme
00:40
by reducing energy demand during peaks.
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kwa kupunguza mahitaji ya nishati kipindi cha juu.
00:43
The program is based on a tried-and-true technology.
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Programu imetengenezwa na teknolojia iliyojaribiwa na ya ukweli.
00:46
It's one the Obama administration even called
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Ni ambayo hata utawala wa Obama uliita
00:48
"the cornerstone to modernizing America's electrical grid."
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"jiwe la msingi la kuleta ukisasa katika mfumo wa umeme Amerika."
00:52
But, like so many great technological solutions,
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Lakini, kama ilivyo mifumo mingi mikubwa ya teknlolojia,
00:56
it has a key weakness:
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huwa na udhaifu:
00:59
people.
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watu.
01:01
People need to sign up.
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Watu wanahitaji kujisajili.
01:04
To try to get people to sign up, the power company sent them a nice letter,
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Ili kufanya watu wajisajili, kampuni iliwatumia wateja barua nzuri,
01:07
told them about all the program's benefits,
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kuwaambia kuhusu faida zote za programu,
01:09
and it asked them to call into a hotline if they were interested.
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na kuwaambia wapige huduma kwa wateja kama wangependa.
01:12
Those letters went out,
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Barua zilitumwa,
01:14
but the phones, they were silent.
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lakini simu, zilikuwa kimya.
01:18
So when we got involved, we suggested one small change.
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Hivyo tulivyohusishwa, tulipendekeza badiliko moja dogo.
01:21
Instead of that hotline,
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Badala ya simu ya huduma kwa wateja,
01:23
we suggested that they use sign-up sheets that they'd post near the mailboxes
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tulipendekeza watumie karatasi za kujisajili zitakazotumwa kwenye sanduku za barua zilizokaribu
01:27
in people's buildings.
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katika majengo ya watu.
01:30
This tripled participation.
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Hii iliongeza walioshiriki kwa mara tatu.
01:35
Why?
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Kwanini?
01:37
Well, we all know people care deeply about what others think of them,
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Sasa, wote tunajua watu wanajali sana kuhusu kile wengine wanachofikiri juu yao,
01:41
that we try to be seen as generous and kind,
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kua tunajaribu kuonekana kama tuna heshima na tunaojali,
01:44
and we try to avoid being seen as selfish or a mooch.
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na tunajaribu kuepuka kuonekana kama wabinafsi au mabaradhuli.
01:48
Whether we are aware of it or not, this is a big part of why people do good,
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Iwe tunatambua au la, hii ni nafasi kubwa ya kwanini watu wanatenda mema,
01:52
and so small changes that give people more credit for doing good,
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hivyo mabadiliko madogo ambayo huwapa watu sifa kwa kutenda mema,
01:57
those changes can make a really big difference.
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hayo mabadiliko yanaweza leta utofauti mkubwa.
02:00
Small changes like switching from a hotline,
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Mabadiliko madogo kama kubadili kutoka simu ya huduma kwa wateja,
02:03
where nobody will ever find out about your good deed,
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ambapo hamna mtu atayeweza tambua kuhusu mwenendo wako mwema,
02:06
to a sign-up sheet
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hadi kwenye karatasi ya kujisajili
02:07
where anyone who walks by can see your name.
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ambapo kila mtu anayepita anaweza kuona jina lako.
02:12
In our collaborations with governments, nonprofits, companies,
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Katika ushirikiano na serikali, mashirika ya kujitolea, makampuni,
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when we're trying to get people to do more good,
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tunajaribu kuwafanya watu kufanya mema zaidi,
02:18
we harness the power of reputations.
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tunavuna nguvu ya sifa.
02:22
And we have a simple checklist for this.
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Na tuna karatasi rahisi ya kuangalia hili.
02:24
And in fact, you already know the first item on that checklist.
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Kwa uwazi, tayari unatambua kitu cha kwanza katika listi hiyo.
02:28
It's to increase observability,
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Ni katika kuongeza uangalizi,
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to make sure people find out about good deeds.
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kuhakikisha watu wanatambua kuhusu matendo mema.
02:35
Now, wait a minute, I know some of you are probably thinking,
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Sasa, subiri kidogo, najua baadhi yenu pengine mnawaza,
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there's no way people here thought,
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hakuna namna watu hapa wangefikiri,
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"Oh, well, now that I'm getting credit for my good deed,
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"Oh, kwa vile sasa ninapata sifa kwa matendo mema,
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now it's totally worth it."
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matendo yangu yana thamani."
02:44
And you're right.
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Upo sahihi.
02:45
Usually, people don't.
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Kawaida, watu hawadhani hivyo.
02:47
Rather, when they're making decisions in private,
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Bali, pale wanapofanya maamuzi wakiwa peke yao,
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they worry about their own problems,
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huwa na hofu kuhusu matatizo yao,
02:52
about what to put on the table for dinner or how to pay their bills on time.
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kuhusu nini cha kuweka mezani mda wa kula au jinsi ya kulipa ankara zao kwa wakati.
02:56
But, when we make their decision more observable,
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Lakini, pale tunapofanya maamuzi yao kuwa wazi zaidi,
02:59
they start to attend more to the opportunity to do good.
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wanaanza kutumia nafasi ya kufanya mema zaidi.
03:03
In other words, what's so powerful about our approach
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Kwa maneno mengine, kilicho na nguvu sana kuhusu njia yetu
03:06
is that it could turn on people's existing desire to do good,
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ni kwamba inaweza ongeza mshawasha wa kutenda mema,
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in this case, to help to prevent a blackout.
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kwa suala hili, kuzuia kukatika kwa umeme.
03:15
Back to observability.
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Turudi katika uangalizi.
03:16
I want to give you another example.
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Nataka niwape mfano mwingine.
03:18
This one is from a collaboration
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Huu unatoka katika ushirikiano
03:20
with a nonprofit that gets out the vote,
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na taasisi isiyo ya kibiashara inayohamasisha upigaji kura,
03:22
and it does this by sending hundreds of thousands of letters every election
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na inafanya hivi kwa kutuma mamia ya maelfu ya barua kila uchaguzi
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in order to remind people and try to motivate them to go to the polls.
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ili kuwakumbusha watu na kujaribu kuwashawishi kwenda katika uchaguzi.
03:30
We suggested adding the following sentence:
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Tulishauri kuongezwa kwa hii sentensi:
03:34
"Someone may call you to find out about your experience at the polls."
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"Unaweza pigiwa simu na mtu na kuulizwa ni namna gani uliuona uchaguzi."
03:38
This sentence makes it feel more observable when you go to the polls,
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Sentensi hii inafanya uangalizi zaidi unapoenda katika uchaguzi,
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and it increased the effect of the letter by 50 percent.
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na inaongeza matokeo ya barua kwa asilimia 50.
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Making the letter more effective reduced the cost of getting an additional vote
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Kufanya barua kuwa fanisi zaidi kuli- punguza gharama za kupata kura ya nyongeza
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from 70 dollars down to about 40 dollars.
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kutoka dola 70 hadi takribani dola 40.
03:55
Observability has been used to do things
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Uangalizi umetumika kufanya vitu
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like get people to donate blood more frequently
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kama kufanya watu kuchangia damu mara kwa mara
03:59
by listing the names of donors on local newsletters,
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kwa kuorodhesha majina ya wachangiaji katika vijarida,
04:02
or to pay their taxes on time
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au kulipa kodi kwa wakati
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by listing the names of delinquents on a public website.
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kwa kuorodhesha majina ya wakwepaji katika tovuti ya umma.
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(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:12
What about this example?
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Vipi kuhusu huu mfano?
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Toyota got hundreds of thousands of people to buy a more fuel-efficient car
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Toyota ina mamia ya maelfu ya watu wa kununua magari yatumiayo mafuta vizuri
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by making the Prius so unique ...
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kwa kufanya gari la Prius kuwa tofauti ...
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(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:24
that their good deed was observable from a mile away.
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kua matendo yao mema yalionekana kutokea umbali wa maili.
04:28
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
04:30
Alright, so observability is great,
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Sawa, kwa hivyo uangalizi ni bora,
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but we all know, we've all seen
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lakini wote tunajua, wote tumejionea
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people walk by an opportunity to do good.
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watu huipitiliza nafasi ya kufanya mema.
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They'll see somebody asking for money on the sidewalk
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Watamuona mtu akiomba hela pembeni ya njia
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and they'll pull out their phones and look really busy,
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na watatoa simu zao na kuonekana wapo bize sana,
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or they'll go to the museum and they'll waltz right on by the donation box.
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au watakwenda makumbusho na watachakacha pembeni ya boksi la mchango.
04:50
Imagine it's the holiday season
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Fikiria kwamba ni muda wa mapumziko
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and you're going to the supermarket, and there's a Salvation Army volunteer,
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na unakwenda supamaketi, na kuna mtu anayejitolea katika jeshi la wokovu,
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and he's ringing his bell.
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na anapiga kengele yake.
04:57
A few years ago, researchers in San Diego
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Miaka kadhaa iliyopita, watafiti wa San Diego
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teamed up with a local chapter from the Salvation Army
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waliungana na tawi la wenyeji kutoka jeshi la wokovu
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to try to find ways to increase donations.
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kutafuta njia za kuongeza michango.
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What they found was kind of funny.
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Walichogundua kilikuwa kinafurahisha.
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When the volunteer stood in front of just one door,
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Wanaojitolea waliposimama mbele ya mlango mmoja,
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people would avoid giving by going out the other door.
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watu walikwepa kuchangia kwa kutokea mlango mwingine.
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Why?
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Kwanini?
05:19
Well, because they can always claim, "Oh, I didn't see the volunteer,"
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Kwa sababu muda wote walidai, "Oh, sijamuona mtu wa kujitolea,"
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or, "I wanted to get something from over there,"
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au, "Nilikuwa nafata kitu fulani kule,"
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or, "That's where my car is."
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au, "Gari langu lipo huko."
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In other words, there's lots of excuses.
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Kwa maneno mengine, kuna sababu nyingi.
05:30
And that brings us to the second item on our checklist:
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Na hilo linatupeleka katika kitu cha pili katika listi yetu:
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to eliminate excuses.
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kuondoa visingizio.
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In the case of the Salvation Army,
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Katika suala la jeshi la wokovu,
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eliminating excuses just means standing in front of both doors,
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kuondoa visingizio ina maana kusimama katika milango yote,
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and sure enough, when they did this,
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na hakika, walipofanya hivi,
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donations rose.
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michango iliongezeka.
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But that's when things got kind of funny,
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Lakini ndipo ambapo vitu vilianza kuchekesha,
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even funnier.
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kuchekesha zaidi.
05:51
The researchers were out in the parking lot,
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Watafiti walikuwa nje katika eneo la kuegesha magari,
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and they were counting people as they came in and out of the store,
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na walikuwa wakihesabu watu walipoingia na kutoka katika duka,
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and they noticed that when the volunteers stood in front of both doors,
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na waligundua kua pale wanaojitolea waliposimama mbele ya milango yote,
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people stopped coming out of the store at all.
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watu waliacha kutoka nje ya duka kabisa.
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(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
06:06
Obviously, they were surprised by this, so they decided to look into it further,
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Kihalisia, walishangazwa na hili, hivyo waliamua kuangalia kwa undani,
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and that's when they found that there was actually a third, smaller utility door
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na ndipo waligundua kwamba kulikuwa na mlango mdogo wa wafanyakazi
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usually used to take out the recycling --
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kawaida hutoa bidhaa za kutengeneza upya --
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(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
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and now people were going out that door in order to avoid the volunteers.
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na sasa watu walikuwa wanatokea mlango huo ili kukwepa wanaojitolea.
06:23
(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
06:26
This teaches us an important lesson though.
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Hii inatufundisha somo muhimu.
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When we're trying to eliminate excuses, we need to be very thorough,
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Pale tunapojaribu kuondoa visingizio, tunatakiwa kuwa makini,
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because people are really creative in making them.
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kwa sababu watu ni wabunifu kweli kuvitengeneza.
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(Laughter)
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(Kicheko)
06:41
Alright, I want to switch to a setting
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Sawa, nataka kuhamia katika mpangilio
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where excuses can have deadly consequences.
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ambapo visingizio vinakuwa na madhara ya mauti.
06:48
What if I told you that the world's deadliest infectious disease has a cure,
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Inakuwaje kama ningekuambia kwamba ugonjwa wa kuambukiza unaoua sana una tiba,
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in fact, that it's had one for 70 years,
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kiuwazi, ilikuwa na tiba moja kwa miaka 70,
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a good one, one that works almost every time?
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iliyo bora, ifanyayo kazi karibia kila wakati?
06:59
It's incredible, but it's true.
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Ni ajabu, lakini ni kweli.
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The disease is tuberculosis.
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Ugonjwa huu ni kifua kikuu.
07:04
It infects some 10 million people a year,
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Huambukiza watu milioni 10 kwa mwaka,
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and it kills almost two million of them.
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na huua takribani watu milioni mbili yao.
07:09
Like the blackout prevention program, we've got the solution.
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Kama ilivyo programu ya kuzuia kukatika kwa umeme, tumepata suluhisho.
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The problem is people.
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Tatizo ni watu.
07:16
People need to take their medication
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Watu wanatakiwa kunywa dawa
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so that they're cured,
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ili waweze kupona,
07:19
and so that they don't get other people sick.
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na pia wasiweze ambukiza watu wengine.
07:23
For a few years now, we've been collaborating
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Miaka michache sasa, tumekuwa tukishirikiana
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with a mobile health startup called Keheala
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na taasisi mpya ya afya iitwayo Keheala
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to support TB patients as they undergo treatment.
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kusaidia wagonjwa wa kifua kikuu wakipata matibabu.
07:31
Now, you have to understand, TB treatment, it's really tough.
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Sasa, unatakiwa kuelewa, matibabu ya kifua kikuu, ni magumu sana.
07:34
We're talking about taking a really strong antibiotic
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Tunaongelea kuhusu kunywa dawa kali sana
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every single day for six months or more.
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kila siku kwa miezi sita au zaidi.
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That antibiotic is so strong that it will make you feel sick.
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Dawa hiyo ni kali sana mpaka itakufanya ujisikie mgonjwa.
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It will make you feel nauseous and dizzy.
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Itakufanya ujisikie kichefuchefu na homa.
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It will make your pee turn funny colors.
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Itafanya mkojo kuwa na rangi za ajabu.
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It's also a problem because you have to go back to the clinic
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Ni tatizo pia kwa sababu unatakiwa kurudi tena kliniki
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about every week in order to get more pills,
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karibuni kila wiki ili kupata dawa zaidi,
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and in sub-Saharan Africa or other places where TB is common,
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na Afrika ya kusini mwa Sahara au sehemu ambapo kifua kikuu ni janga,
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now you're talking about going someplace pretty far,
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sasa unaongelea kuhusu kwenda sehemu ya mbali kweli,
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taking tough and slow public transport,
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na kupanda usafiri wa jumuiya ambao upo taratibu,
08:01
maybe the clinic is inefficient.
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pengine kliniki haina ufanisi.
08:03
So now you're talking about taking a half day off of work every week
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Sasa unaongelea kuhusu kuchukua nusu siku kazini kila wiki
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from a job you desperately can't afford to lose.
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kwenye kazi usiyoweza kumudu kuipoteza.
08:09
It's even worse when you consider the fact that there's a terrible stigma,
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Ni mbaya zaidi ukizingatia ukweli kwamba kuna unyanyapaa wa kutisha,
08:13
and you desperately don't want people to find that you have the disease.
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na kwa namna yoyote hutaki watu watambue kwamba una ugonjwa.
08:16
Some of the toughest stories we hear are actually from women
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Baadhi ya simulizi tunazosikia huwa zinasimuliwa na wanawake
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who, in these places where domestic violence can be kind of common,
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ambao, katika sehemu hizi ambapo ukatil wa kijinsia ni suala la kawaida,
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they tell us that they have to hide it from their husbands
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wanatuambia kwamba wanahitajika kuficha kwa waume zao
08:26
that they're coming to the clinic.
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kwamba wanakwenda kliniki.
08:29
So it's no surprise that people don't complete treatment.
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Hivyo siyo jambo la kushangaza kua watu hawamalizi tiba.
08:33
Can our approach really help them?
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Mikakati yetu inaweza kuwasaidia kweli?
08:36
Can we really get them to stick it out?
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Tutawasaidia kweli kupona?
08:40
Yeah.
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Ndiyo.
08:42
Every day, we text patients to remind them to take their medication,
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Kila siku, tunawatumia wagonjwa ujumbe wa simu kuwakumbusha kunywa dawa,
08:46
but if we stopped there,
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lakini kama tungekwama pale,
08:47
there'd be lots of excuses.
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kungekuwa na visingizio vingi.
08:49
"Well, I didn't see the text."
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"Basi, sikuona ujumbe."
08:51
Or, "You know, I saw the text, but then I totally forgot,
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Au, "Unajua, niliona ujumbe, ila nikasahau kabisa
08:54
put the phone down and I just forgot about it."
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niliweka simu chini na nikasahau."
08:56
Or, "I lent the phone out to my mom."
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Au, "Nilimuazima mama yangu simu."
08:59
We have to eliminate these excuses
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Tunatakiwa kuondokana na hivi visingizio
09:01
and we do that by asking patients
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na tunafanya hivyo kwa kuwauliza wagonjwa
09:03
to log in and verify that they've taken their medication.
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kujiandikisha na kuthibitisha kwamba wamekunywa dawa.
09:07
If they don't log in, we text them again.
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Kama wasipojisajili, tunawatumia ujumbe tena.
09:09
If they don't log in, we text them yet again.
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Kama hawajisajili, tunawatumia ujumbe tena.
09:12
If, after three times, they still haven't verified,
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Kama, baada ya mara tatu bado hawajathibitisha,
09:16
we notify a team of supporters
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tunawajulisha timu ya wahisani
09:17
and that team will call and text them
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na timu hiyo itawapigia na kuwatumia ujumbe
09:20
to try to get them back on the wagon.
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ili waweze kunywa dawa.
09:22
No excuses.
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Hamna visingizio.
09:25
Our approach, which, admittedly, uses all sorts of behavioral techniques,
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Mkakati wetu, ambao, kwa kukubali, unatumia njia zote za kuelewa tabia,
09:29
including, as you've probably noticed, observability,
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ukijumuisha, kama ambavyo umegundua, uangalizi,
09:32
it was very effective.
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ulikuwa na ufanisi sana.
09:34
Patients without access to our platform
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Wagonjwa wasiopata huduma yetu
09:37
were three times more likely not to complete treatment.
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walikuwa na nafasi mara tatu zaidi kutomaliza tiba yao.
09:43
Alright,
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Sawa,
09:44
you've increased observability,
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umeongeza uangalizi.
09:46
you've eliminated excuses,
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umeondoa visingizio,
09:48
but there's still a third thing you need to be aware of.
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lakini kuna jambo la tatu ambalo unatakiwa litambua.
09:52
If you've been to Washington, DC or Japan or London,
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Kama umewahi fika Washington, DC au Japan au London,
09:56
you know that metro riders there
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unajua kua waendesha treni kule
09:57
will be very careful to stand on the right-hand side of the escalator
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huwa waangalifu kusimama kwenye upande wa kulia wa kiinuzi
10:01
so that people can go by on the left.
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ili watu waweze kupita upande wa kushoto
10:04
But unfortunately, not everywhere is that the norm,
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Lakini bahati mbaya, si kote kuna huo utaratibu,
10:06
and there's plenty of places where you can just stand on both sides
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na kuna sehemu nyingi ambapo unaweza kusimama pande zote
10:09
and block the escalator.
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na kuzuia kiinuzi.
10:11
Obviously, it's better for others
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Hakika, ni bora kwa wengine
10:12
when we stand on the right and let them go by,
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tunaposimama upande wa kulia na kuwaacha wapite,
10:15
but we're only expected to do that some places.
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lakini tunategemewa kufanya hivyo baadhi ya sehemu.
10:18
This is a general phenomenon.
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Hii ni suala la jumla.
10:20
Sometimes we're expected to do good
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Wakati mwingine tunagemewa kufanya mema
10:22
and sometimes not,
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na wakati mwingine si hivyo,
10:24
and it means that people are really sensitive to cues
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na inamaanisha kua watu wanachukulia uzito sana suala la foleni
10:27
that they're expected to do good in a particular situation,
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na wanategemewa kufanya mema katika suala kama hilo,
10:31
which brings us to the third and final item on our checklist:
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ambapo inatupeleka katika jambo la tatu na la mwisho katika listi yetu:
10:35
to communicate expectations,
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kufanya mawasiliano ya mategemeo,
10:37
to tell people,
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kuwaambia watu,
10:38
"Do the good deed right now."
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"Fanya jambo jema sasa hivi."
10:42
Here's a simple way to communicate expectations;
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Hii ni njia rahisi ya kuwasilisha mategemeo;
10:44
simply tell them, "Hey, everybody else is doing the good deed."
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kwa urahisi waambie, "Jamani, kila mtu anafanya matendo mema."
10:48
The company Opower sends people in their electricity bill
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Kampuni ya Opower hutumia watu katika ankara zao za umeme
10:52
a small insert that compares their energy consumption
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maelezo madogo ambayo hulinganisha matumizi yao ya nishati
10:55
with that of people with similarly sized homes.
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na wale walio na nyumba ambazo zinafanana ukubwa na wao.
10:59
And when people find out that their neighbors are using less electricity,
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Na pale watu wanapogundua kwamba majirani zao wanatumia umeme kidogo,
11:02
they start to consume less.
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wanaanza kutumia umeme kidogo pia.
11:04
That same approach, it's been used to get people to vote or give to charity
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Mkakati huo, umetumika kuwafanya watu kupiga kura au kutoa misaada
11:08
or even reuse their towels in hotels.
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au kutumia tena mataulo katika hoteli.
11:12
What about this one?
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Vipi kuhusu hili?
11:14
Here's another way to communicate expectations;
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Hii ni namna nyingine ya kuwasilisha mategemeo;
11:16
simply do it by saying, "Do the good deed" just at the right time.
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kwa urahisi fanya kwa kusema, "Tenda yaliyo mema" kwa mda unaofaa.
11:23
What about this one?
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Vipi kuhusu hii?
11:26
This ticker reframes
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Hii inatengeneza picha
11:28
the kind of mundane task of turning off the lights
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ya namna ya kidunia ya kuzima taa
11:31
and turns it instead into an environmental contribution.
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na kuwasha katika mchango wa kimazingira.
11:36
The bottom line is, lots of different ways to do this,
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Hitimisho ni kwamba, njia nyingi za kufanya hili,
11:39
lots of ways to communicate expectations.
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namna nyingi za kuwasilisha mategemeo.
11:41
Just don't forget to do it.
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Usisahau kufanya.
11:43
And that's it.
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Hivyo tu.
11:44
That's our checklist.
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Hiyo ndiyo listi yetu.
11:48
Many of you are working on problems with important social consequences,
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Wengi wenu mnashughulikia matatizo muhimu yaliyo na madhara kwa jamii,
11:52
and sometimes you might need to motivate people to do more good.
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na muda mwingine mnaweza hitaji kuwahamasisha watu kutenda mema.
11:57
The tools you learned today can help you with this.
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Somo la leo linaweza kukusaidia kwa hilo.
12:00
And these tools, they don't require that you raise additional funds
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Na somo hili, haliihitaji kufanya harambee ya kuongeza fungu
12:03
or that you develop any more fancy technologies.
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au kuunda teknolojia iliyo na nakshi.
12:06
They just require harnessing reputations
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Inahitaji kuweza kupata sifa
12:09
by increasing observability, eliminating excuses
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kwa kuongeza uangalizi, kuondoa visingizio
12:12
and communicating expectations.
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na kuwasilisha mategemeo.
12:16
Thank you.
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Asante.
12:17
(Applause)
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(Makofi)
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