How to motivate people to do good for others | Erez Yoeli

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翻译人员: Ying Lu 校对人员: jacks peng
00:13
How can we get people to do more good,
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我们要如何激励人们多行善事,
00:16
to go to the polls, give to charity, conserve resources,
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参与民意调查,投身慈善事业,保护资源,
00:20
or even to do something as simple as washing their mugs at work
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或者只是在工作中清洗 自己的马克杯这种小事,
00:24
so that the sink isn't always full of dirty dishes?
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从而避免水槽堆满用过的餐具?
00:26
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:28
(Applause)
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(掌声)
00:33
When I first started working on this problem,
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我第一次面对这个难题时,
00:35
I collaborated with a power company
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是在与一家电力公司合作,
00:37
to recruit customers for a program that prevents blackouts
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招募在用电高峰期通过节能
00:40
by reducing energy demand during peaks.
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来避免停电的项目的用户。
00:43
The program is based on a tried-and-true technology.
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该项目基于一个行之有效的技术,
00:46
It's one the Obama administration even called
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甚至被奥巴马政府称为
00:48
"the cornerstone to modernizing America's electrical grid."
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“铸造美国现代电网的基石。”
00:52
But, like so many great technological solutions,
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但是,与其他众多技术解决方案类似,
00:56
it has a key weakness:
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它也有一个致命弱点:
00:59
people.
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人。
01:01
People need to sign up.
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需要让人们注册。
01:04
To try to get people to sign up, the power company sent them a nice letter,
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为了吸引人们注册,电力公司 寄出了一封措辞动人的信,
01:07
told them about all the program's benefits,
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告诉人们项目的一切好处,
01:09
and it asked them to call into a hotline if they were interested.
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并让有兴趣的人拨打电话热线。
01:12
Those letters went out,
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信件寄出去后,
01:14
but the phones, they were silent.
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热线却无人问津。
01:18
So when we got involved, we suggested one small change.
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因此我们在参与项目后, 提议了一个小的改动。
01:21
Instead of that hotline,
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与其用热线电话,
01:23
we suggested that they use sign-up sheets that they'd post near the mailboxes
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我们建议他们去居民住宅区的邮箱旁边
01:27
in people's buildings.
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张贴注册表单。
01:30
This tripled participation.
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这招让参与人数涨到了三倍。
01:35
Why?
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为什么会这样?
01:37
Well, we all know people care deeply about what others think of them,
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众所周知,人们非常在意 其他人如何看自己,
01:41
that we try to be seen as generous and kind,
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我们希望被认为慷慨大方和善良,
01:44
and we try to avoid being seen as selfish or a mooch.
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而非自私自利或者爱贪小便宜。
01:48
Whether we are aware of it or not, this is a big part of why people do good,
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不管是否认同,这的确是 人们做善行的很大一部分原因,
01:52
and so small changes that give people more credit for doing good,
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所以细微的改变就能让 人们更乐意参与善行,
01:57
those changes can make a really big difference.
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这些改变可以带来很大的不同。
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Small changes like switching from a hotline,
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像换掉热线电话这样细微的改变,
02:03
where nobody will ever find out about your good deed,
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从无人知晓你的善行,
02:06
to a sign-up sheet
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到别人只要路过
02:07
where anyone who walks by can see your name.
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就能看到有你名字的注册表单。
02:12
In our collaborations with governments, nonprofits, companies,
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在我们与政府、非盈利组织 和公司的合作中,
02:15
when we're trying to get people to do more good,
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当我们想让人们实施更多善行时,
02:18
we harness the power of reputations.
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就会利用声誉的力量。
02:22
And we have a simple checklist for this.
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并且我们有一个超简清单。
02:24
And in fact, you already know the first item on that checklist.
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事实上,你们已经知道 清单上第一条是什么。
02:28
It's to increase observability,
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那就是提升可观察性,
02:31
to make sure people find out about good deeds.
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确保人们会发现这些善行。
02:35
Now, wait a minute, I know some of you are probably thinking,
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稍等一下,我知道你们当中有人在想,
02:38
there's no way people here thought,
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人们不可能想,
“噢,好吧,既然我的 善行得到了赞誉,
02:40
"Oh, well, now that I'm getting credit for my good deed,
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现在完全值了。“
02:42
now it's totally worth it."
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02:44
And you're right.
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没错。
02:45
Usually, people don't.
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通常,人们不会这样想。
02:47
Rather, when they're making decisions in private,
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事实上,当人们私下做决定时,
02:50
they worry about their own problems,
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他们更关注自己现有的问题,
02:52
about what to put on the table for dinner or how to pay their bills on time.
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例如晚上吃什么或者 如何按时支付账单。
02:56
But, when we make their decision more observable,
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但是,当我们让人们的决定 可以被人观察到时,
02:59
they start to attend more to the opportunity to do good.
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他们就会开始参与更多慈善活动。
03:03
In other words, what's so powerful about our approach
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换句话说,我们的方式之所以有效
03:06
is that it could turn on people's existing desire to do good,
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是因为将人们已有的欲望 实践到做好事中,
03:11
in this case, to help to prevent a blackout.
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在这个案例中,就是避免停电。
03:15
Back to observability.
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回到可观察性的话题。
03:16
I want to give you another example.
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我想说说另一个例子。
03:18
This one is from a collaboration
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这是关于与某非盈利机构
03:20
with a nonprofit that gets out the vote,
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合作来获取投票的例子,
03:22
and it does this by sending hundreds of thousands of letters every election
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每次选举,此机构都会 发送数十万封信
03:26
in order to remind people and try to motivate them to go to the polls.
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来提醒和鼓励人们进行民调投票。
03:30
We suggested adding the following sentence:
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我们建议其添加下面一句话:
03:34
"Someone may call you to find out about your experience at the polls."
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“有人可能会打电话了解 你在民调中的经历。”
03:38
This sentence makes it feel more observable when you go to the polls,
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这句话让你觉得参与民调 会获取更多的关注,
03:43
and it increased the effect of the letter by 50 percent.
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这让信件的效果提升了50%。
03:48
Making the letter more effective reduced the cost of getting an additional vote
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提升信件的效果也将 额外投票所需的花费
从70美金降到了40美金。
03:52
from 70 dollars down to about 40 dollars.
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03:55
Observability has been used to do things
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可观察性已经被运用于很多方面,
03:57
like get people to donate blood more frequently
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例如通过在当地报纸列举献血者的名字
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by listing the names of donors on local newsletters,
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来吸引人们更常去献血,
04:02
or to pay their taxes on time
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或者通过在公共网站上 公布未按时缴税名单
04:05
by listing the names of delinquents on a public website.
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来督促人们按时缴税。
04:08
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:12
What about this example?
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那这个例子呢?
04:14
Toyota got hundreds of thousands of people to buy a more fuel-efficient car
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丰田通过凸显普锐斯(Prius)的与众不同
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by making the Prius so unique ...
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吸引了数十万人来购买 这款更省油的车…
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:24
that their good deed was observable from a mile away.
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他们的善行在一英里外就能看得见。
04:28
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:30
Alright, so observability is great,
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所以可观察性是非常有效的,
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but we all know, we've all seen
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但是我们都知道,我们都见过有人
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people walk by an opportunity to do good.
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对能做善行的机会视而不见。
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They'll see somebody asking for money on the sidewalk
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遇到路边有人要钱时
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and they'll pull out their phones and look really busy,
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他们会拿出手机假装很忙,
或去博物馆的时候 华丽丽的错过捐赠箱。
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or they'll go to the museum and they'll waltz right on by the donation box.
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04:50
Imagine it's the holiday season
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假设在节日期间,
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and you're going to the supermarket, and there's a Salvation Army volunteer,
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你要去超市,遇到一个救世军志愿者,
他正在摇铃铛。
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and he's ringing his bell.
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04:57
A few years ago, researchers in San Diego
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数年前,圣地亚哥的研究者们
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teamed up with a local chapter from the Salvation Army
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与当地的一个救世军教堂合作,
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to try to find ways to increase donations.
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以寻求获取更多捐款的方式。
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What they found was kind of funny.
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他们得到了一个有趣的结论。
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When the volunteer stood in front of just one door,
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当志愿者站在一扇门前,
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people would avoid giving by going out the other door.
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人们会避开他从另一扇门通过。
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Why?
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为什么?
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Well, because they can always claim, "Oh, I didn't see the volunteer,"
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因为他们有托辞: “噢,我没看到志愿者。”
05:22
or, "I wanted to get something from over there,"
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或者,“我想去那边找东西。”
或者,“我车停在那边。”
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or, "That's where my car is."
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05:27
In other words, there's lots of excuses.
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换句话说,他们有各种各样的借口。
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And that brings us to the second item on our checklist:
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这时,我们就需要看看清单上的第二条:
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to eliminate excuses.
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消除借口。
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In the case of the Salvation Army,
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拿救世军的例子来看,
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eliminating excuses just means standing in front of both doors,
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去除借口的方式就是同时站在两扇门前,
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and sure enough, when they did this,
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毫无悬念,当他们这样做时,
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donations rose.
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捐款数目就开始上升了。
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But that's when things got kind of funny,
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但同时事情也开始变得有点意思了,
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even funnier.
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甚至说更有意思了。
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The researchers were out in the parking lot,
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当研究者在停车场外面,
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and they were counting people as they came in and out of the store,
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他们开始计算进出商店的人数,
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and they noticed that when the volunteers stood in front of both doors,
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他们发现当志愿者们站在两扇门前时,
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people stopped coming out of the store at all.
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人们压根就不出来了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:06
Obviously, they were surprised by this, so they decided to look into it further,
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显然,他们很诧异, 因此决定一探究竟,
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and that's when they found that there was actually a third, smaller utility door
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结果发现商店还有第三个很小的杂物门,
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usually used to take out the recycling --
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往常是用来处理资源回收的通道——
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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and now people were going out that door in order to avoid the volunteers.
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现在人们为了躲避志愿者, 转而从那个门出去了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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This teaches us an important lesson though.
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这给我们上了重要的一课。
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When we're trying to eliminate excuses, we need to be very thorough,
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当我们想要消除借口时, 一定要考虑周到,
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because people are really creative in making them.
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因为人们都太有创造力了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Alright, I want to switch to a setting
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好的,我想转换到一个
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where excuses can have deadly consequences.
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借口会导致致命后果的场景中。
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What if I told you that the world's deadliest infectious disease has a cure,
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如果我告诉你世界上 最可怕的传染病可治愈,
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in fact, that it's had one for 70 years,
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事实上,70年前就有了,
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a good one, one that works almost every time?
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一个几乎每次都有效的 方法,你觉得如何?
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It's incredible, but it's true.
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听上去不可思议,但是千真万确。
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The disease is tuberculosis.
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这个疾病就是结核病。
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It infects some 10 million people a year,
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每年有1000万人感染,
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and it kills almost two million of them.
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其中几乎有200万人死亡。
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Like the blackout prevention program, we've got the solution.
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就像避免停电的项目, 我们也有解决方案。
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The problem is people.
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问题在于人。
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People need to take their medication
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人们需要服药
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so that they're cured,
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才能康复,
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and so that they don't get other people sick.
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而且不会传染给其他人。
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For a few years now, we've been collaborating
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最近几年,我们与一个
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with a mobile health startup called Keheala
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移动健康创业公司Keheala合作
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to support TB patients as they undergo treatment.
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来帮助结核病患者接受治疗。
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Now, you have to understand, TB treatment, it's really tough.
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你一定要了解结核病的 治疗是非常难的。
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We're talking about taking a really strong antibiotic
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具体点说,在6个月甚至是 更长时间里,每天都要
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every single day for six months or more.
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服用一款药效很强的抗生素。
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That antibiotic is so strong that it will make you feel sick.
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这款抗生素药效强到 会让你感觉很难受,
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It will make you feel nauseous and dizzy.
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让你感到恶心和头晕,
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It will make your pee turn funny colors.
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并会让你的小便呈现奇怪颜色。
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It's also a problem because you have to go back to the clinic
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你还要每周回到诊所领取
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about every week in order to get more pills,
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更多的药片,这也是个问题,
07:52
and in sub-Saharan Africa or other places where TB is common,
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在撒哈拉周边的非洲或 结核病常见的其他地方,
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now you're talking about going someplace pretty far,
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就等于要去一个很远的地方,
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taking tough and slow public transport,
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乘坐非常不便且速度极慢的交通工具,
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maybe the clinic is inefficient.
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又或者诊所效率极低。
08:03
So now you're talking about taking a half day off of work every week
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进一步说,就是每周要从 根本不敢轻易丢掉的
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from a job you desperately can't afford to lose.
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工作中请假半天。
08:09
It's even worse when you consider the fact that there's a terrible stigma,
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当考虑到患病是一个耻辱的 事实时情况会更糟,
因为你不想让人发现你得病了。
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and you desperately don't want people to find that you have the disease.
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08:16
Some of the toughest stories we hear are actually from women
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我们听说过最令人痛心的 故事来自这样一些女人,
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who, in these places where domestic violence can be kind of common,
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家庭暴力对她们而言就是家常便饭,
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they tell us that they have to hide it from their husbands
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她们提到自己的丈夫会追到诊所,
所以她们不得不东躲西藏。
08:26
that they're coming to the clinic.
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08:29
So it's no surprise that people don't complete treatment.
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这样一来,人们无法 完成治疗也就不足为奇了。
08:33
Can our approach really help them?
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我们的方式真的能帮助他们吗?
我们真能让她们 坚持完成治疗吗?
08:36
Can we really get them to stick it out?
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08:40
Yeah.
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是的。
08:42
Every day, we text patients to remind them to take their medication,
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每天我们都会给患者 发信息提醒他们服药,
08:46
but if we stopped there,
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但如果仅仅止步于此,
08:47
there'd be lots of excuses.
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他们就会有很多的借口。
08:49
"Well, I didn't see the text."
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“我没看到信息啊。”
08:51
Or, "You know, I saw the text, but then I totally forgot,
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或者,“其实我看到了信息, 但之后我就忘了,
手机一放,我就忘得一干二净了。”
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put the phone down and I just forgot about it."
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08:56
Or, "I lent the phone out to my mom."
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又或者,“我把手机借我妈了。”
08:59
We have to eliminate these excuses
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我们要消除这些借口,
09:01
and we do that by asking patients
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于是我们要求患者
09:03
to log in and verify that they've taken their medication.
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登录并确认他们已服用药品。
09:07
If they don't log in, we text them again.
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如果他们没有登录, 我们会再次发消息提醒。
09:09
If they don't log in, we text them yet again.
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如果他们还没登录,我们再接着发消息。
09:12
If, after three times, they still haven't verified,
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如果在三次之后,他们还没有确认,
09:16
we notify a team of supporters
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我们会通知支持组队员,
09:17
and that team will call and text them
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他们会打电话和发送消息,
09:20
to try to get them back on the wagon.
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让患者回归治疗。
09:22
No excuses.
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任何借口都没用。
09:25
Our approach, which, admittedly, uses all sorts of behavioral techniques,
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需要承认,我们的方式 是运用各种行为技巧,
09:29
including, as you've probably noticed, observability,
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包括你可能已经了解的可观察性,
09:32
it was very effective.
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这的确非常有效。
09:34
Patients without access to our platform
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没登录我们平台的病人
09:37
were three times more likely not to complete treatment.
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无法完成治疗的概率高出3倍。
09:43
Alright,
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好的,
09:44
you've increased observability,
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你已经提升了可观察性,
09:46
you've eliminated excuses,
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你已经消除了所有借口,
09:48
but there's still a third thing you need to be aware of.
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但仍有第三件事情要注意。
09:52
If you've been to Washington, DC or Japan or London,
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如果你去过华盛顿特区、日本或伦敦,
09:56
you know that metro riders there
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你会意识到人们乘坐自动扶梯时,
09:57
will be very careful to stand on the right-hand side of the escalator
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通常都小心翼翼地站在右侧,
10:01
so that people can go by on the left.
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以便让人们在左侧通行。
10:04
But unfortunately, not everywhere is that the norm,
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但遗憾的是,并不是所有地方 都有这种约定俗成的规矩,
10:06
and there's plenty of places where you can just stand on both sides
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在很多地方你可以站在任何一侧,
于是就阻挡了人们在扶梯上的通行。
10:09
and block the escalator.
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10:11
Obviously, it's better for others
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很显然,我们站在右侧,
10:12
when we stand on the right and let them go by,
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将左边空间腾出来给大家 通行是更好的方式,
10:15
but we're only expected to do that some places.
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但也仅能期望在某些地方实现。
10:18
This is a general phenomenon.
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这是一个普遍现象。
10:20
Sometimes we're expected to do good
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有时我们期望能做善事,
10:22
and sometimes not,
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但有时则不,
10:24
and it means that people are really sensitive to cues
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这意味着人们在某个特定场景下
10:27
that they're expected to do good in a particular situation,
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做善事需要特别的提醒,
10:31
which brings us to the third and final item on our checklist:
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这也引出我们清单上的 第三条,也是最后一条:
10:35
to communicate expectations,
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去传达你的期待,
10:37
to tell people,
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去告诉人们,
10:38
"Do the good deed right now."
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“现在立刻做善行。”
10:42
Here's a simple way to communicate expectations;
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分享一个简单的传达期待的方式;
10:44
simply tell them, "Hey, everybody else is doing the good deed."
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直接告诉他们,“其他人都在做善事。”
10:48
The company Opower sends people in their electricity bill
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Opower公司向人们发送电费账单时,
10:52
a small insert that compares their energy consumption
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附上了与拥有相似大小房子的
10:55
with that of people with similarly sized homes.
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其他家庭的耗能对比信息。
10:59
And when people find out that their neighbors are using less electricity,
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当人们发现周围的邻居 消耗更少的电时,
11:02
they start to consume less.
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他们也开始节能。
11:04
That same approach, it's been used to get people to vote or give to charity
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同理,这种方法也可以用来 吸引人们投票或捐款,
11:08
or even reuse their towels in hotels.
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或者在宾馆提升毛巾的重用率。
11:12
What about this one?
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我再来说一个。
11:14
Here's another way to communicate expectations;
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的确还有别的方式来传达期待;
11:16
simply do it by saying, "Do the good deed" just at the right time.
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在合适的时候坦诚告知“做善行”。
11:23
What about this one?
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这个怎么样?
11:26
This ticker reframes
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这个小装饰
11:28
the kind of mundane task of turning off the lights
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将随手关灯的小事转变成了
11:31
and turns it instead into an environmental contribution.
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为保护环境做贡献。
11:36
The bottom line is, lots of different ways to do this,
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归根结底,有很多 不同的方式来做这件事,
11:39
lots of ways to communicate expectations.
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有各种不同的方式来传达期待。
11:41
Just don't forget to do it.
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只需要牢记这一点。
11:43
And that's it.
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仅此而已。
11:44
That's our checklist.
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这就是我们的清单。
11:48
Many of you are working on problems with important social consequences,
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你们当中很多人都致力于 解决重要的社会问题,
11:52
and sometimes you might need to motivate people to do more good.
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有时你们需要激励人们做善行。
11:57
The tools you learned today can help you with this.
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今天你学到的将会有所帮助。
12:00
And these tools, they don't require that you raise additional funds
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这些方式并不需要你投入额外的资金,
12:03
or that you develop any more fancy technologies.
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或者发明眼花缭乱的高科技。
12:06
They just require harnessing reputations
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它们只需利用好的声誉,
12:09
by increasing observability, eliminating excuses
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通过提升可观察性,消除借口,
12:12
and communicating expectations.
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以及传达期待。
12:16
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
12:17
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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