Playing with space and light | Olafur Eliasson

Prevodilac: Mile Živković Lektor: Tatjana Jevdjic

I have a studio in Berlin --

Imam studio u Berlinu -

let me cue on here --

dozolite mi šlagvort -

which is down there in this snow, just last weekend.

koji je tamo dole u snegu, ovo je od prošlog vikenda.

In the studio we do a lot of experiments.

U studiju izvodimo puno eksperimenata.

I would consider the studio more like a laboratory.

Smatram ga više kao laboratoriju.

I have occasional meetings with scientists.

Povremeno se sastajem s naučnicima.

And I have an academy, a part of the University of Fine Arts in Berlin.

Imam akademiju, kao deo Univerziteta lepih umetnosti u Berlinu.

We have an annual gathering of people,

Imamo godišnje sastanke,

and that is called Life in Space.

koji se zovu "Život u prostoru".

Life in Space is really not necessarily about

"Život u prostoru" zaista nije obavezno

how we do things, but why we do things.

o tome kako nešto radimo, nego zašto to radimo.

Do you mind looking, with me, at that little cross in the center there?

Hoćete li sa mnom pogledati taj krstić u centru?

So just keep looking. Don't mind me.

Samo gledajte. Ne obraćajte pažnju na mene.

So you will have a yellow circle, and we will do an after-image experiment.

Imaćete žuti krug i nakon slike ćemo uraditi eksperiment.

When the circle goes away you will have another color, the complementary color.

Kada krug nestane imaćete još jednu, komplementarnu boju.

I am saying something. And your eyes and your brain are saying something back.

Nešto vam govorim. A vaše oči i mozak odgovaraju.

This whole idea of sharing, the idea of constituting reality

Cela ova ideja o deljenju, o predstavljanju stvarnosti

by overlapping what I say and what you say --

preklapanjem onoga što ja govorim i što vi govorite -

think of a movie.

razmislite o filmu.

Since two years now, with some stipends from the science ministry in Berlin,

Već dve godine, uz pomoć nekih stipendija Ministarstva nauke iz Berlina,

I've been working on these films

radim na ovim filmovima

where we produce the film together.

gde zajedno stvaramo film.

I don't necessarily think the film is so interesting.

Ne mislim da film obavezno mora da bude zanimljiv.

Obviously this is not interesting at all in the sense of the narrative.

Ovo očigledno nije ni najmanje zanimljivo što se tiče priče.

But nevertheless, what the potential is --

Ali ipak, ono u čemu je potencijal -

and just keep looking there --

i samo gledajte tamo -

what the potential is, obviously,

ono u čemu je potencijal, očigledno,

is to kind of move the border of who is the author,

je da na neki način pomeramo granicu toga ko je autor,

and who is the receiver.

a ko primalac poruke.

Who is the consumer, if you want,

Ko je potrošač, ako želite tako

and who has responsibility for what one sees?

i ko je odgovoran za to šta neko vidi?

I think there is a socializing dimension

Mislim da ima dimenzija socijalizacije

in, kind of, moving that border.

u pomeranju te granice na neki način.

Who decides what reality is?

Ko odlučuje šta je stvarnost?

This is the Tate Modern in London.

Ovo je Tejt Modern u Londonu.

The show was, in a sense, about that.

Na neki način, predstava je bila o tome.

It was about a space in which I put half a semi-circular yellow disk.

Bila je o prostoru u koji sam stavio polovinu polukružnog žutog diska.

I also put a mirror in the ceiling, and some fog, some haze.

Takođe sam stavio ogledalo na plafon i malo magle, nešto izmaglice.

And my idea was to make the space tangible.

Moja zamisao je bila da prostor načinim opipljivim.

With such a big space, the problem is

Problem sa tako velikim prostorom

obviously that there is a discrepancy

je da očigledno postoji neslaganje

between what your body can embrace,

između toga šta vaše telo može da prihvati

and what the space, in that sense, is.

i šta je sam prostor, u tom smislu.

So here I had the hope that by inserting some natural elements,

Nadao sam se da ću ubacivanjem nekih prirodnih elemenata,

if you want -- some fog -- I could make the space tangible.

ako želite tako - maglom - da učinim prostor opipljivim.

And what happens is that people, they start to see themselves in this space.

Dešava se to da ljudi počinju da vide sami sebe u prostoru.

So look at this. Look at the girl.

Pogledajte ovo. Pogledajte devojku.

Of course they have to look through a bloody camera

Naravno da moraju da gledaju kroz prokletu kameru u muzeju.

in a museum. Right? That's how museums are working today.

Zar ne? Tako danas funkcionišu muzeji.

But look at her face there,

Ali pogledajte joj lice tamo,

as she's checking out, looking at herself in the mirror.

dok zagleda sebe u ogledalu.

"Oh! That was my foot there!"

"O, to je bilo moje stopalo!"

She wasn't really sure whether she was seeing herself or not.

Nije bila sigurna da li gleda u sebe ili ne.

And in that whole idea,

U toj celoj zamisli,

how do we configure the relationship between our body and the space?

kako oblikujemo povezanost između našeg tela i prostora?

How do we reconfigure it?

Kako ga preoblikujemo?

How do we know that being in a space makes a difference?

Kako znamo da postojanje u prostoru čini razliku?

Do you see when I said in the beginning, it's about

Vidite li ono što sam rekao u početku, da je bitno

why, rather than how?

zašto, a ne kako?

The why meant really,

To zašto zapravo znači:

"What consequences does it have when I take a step?"

"Koje posledice ima to kada napravim korak?"

"What does it matter?"

"Kakve to ima veze?"

"Does it matter if I am in the world or not?"

"Da li je bitno da li sam na svetu ili ne?"

"And does it matter whether the kind of actions I take

"I da li je bitno da li se radnje koje poduzimam

filter into a sense of responsibility?"

filtriraju u osećaj odgovornosti?

Is art about that?

Da li je umetnost o tome?

I would say yes. It is obviously about

Rekao bih da da. Očigledno je

not just about decorating the world, and making it look even better,

ne samo o ukrašavanju i ulepšavanju sveta

or even worse, if you ask me.

ili pogoršavanju, ako mene pitate.

It's obviously also about taking responsibility,

Takođe se radi o preuzimanju odgovornosti,

like I did here when throwing some green dye in the river

kao što sam učinio ovde kada sam bacao zelenu boju u reke

in L.A., Stockholm, Norway and Tokyo,

u Los Anđelesu, Štokholmu, Norveškoj, Tokiju,

among other places.

između ostalog.

The green dye is not environmentally dangerous,

Zelena boja nije opasna po okolinu,

but it obviously looks really rather frightening.

ali je očigledno da izgleda zaista zastrašujuće.

And it's on the other side also, I think, quite beautiful,

Sa druge strane mislim da je takođe veoma lepa

as it somehow shows the turbulence in these kind of downtown areas,

jer pokazuje turbulentnost ovih gradskih sredina,

in these different places of the world.

u različitim delovima sveta.

The "Green river," as a kind of activist idea, not a part of an exhibition,

"Zelena reka", kao deo aktivističke ideje, a ne kao deo izložbe

it was really about showing people,

zapravo smo pokazivali ljudima

in this city, as they walk by,

u ovom gradu, dok prolaze

that space has dimensions. A space has time.

da prostor ima dimenzije. Prostor ima vreme.

And the water flows through the city with time.

I voda vremenom protiče kroz grad.

The water has an ability to make

Voda ima mogućnost da grad napravi

the city negotiable, tangible.

savladivim, opipljivim.

Negotiable meaning that it makes a difference

Savladivim, u smislu da ima razlike

whether you do something or not.

ako nešto učinite ili ne.

It makes a difference whether you say, "I'm a part of this city.

Pravi razliku da li kažete: "Deo sam ovog grada.

And if I vote it makes a difference.

I ako glasam napraviću razliku.

If I take a stand, it makes a difference."

Ako se zauzmem za nešto, napraviću razliku."

This whole idea of a city not being a picture is,

Ova cela ideja da grad nije slika,

I think, something that art, in a sense,

mislim da je to nešto sa čime je umetnost

always was working with.

na neki način uvek radila.

The idea that art can actually evaluate the relationship

Ideja da umetnost zapravo može da proceni vezu

between what it means to be in a picture,

između toga šta znači biti u slici

and what it means to be in a space. What is the difference?

i šta znači biti u prostoru. U čemu je razlika?

The difference between thinking and doing.

Razlika između mišljenja i akcije.

So these are different experiments with that. I won't go into them.

To su različiti eksperimenti sa time i neću zalaziti dublje u to.

Iceland, lower right corner, my favorite place.

Island je, u donjem desnom uglu, moje omiljeno mesto.

These kinds of experiments, they filter into architectural models.

Ovakvi eksperimenti filtriraju se u arhitektonske modele.

These are ongoing experiments.

Ovo su eksperimenti u toku.

One is an experiment I did for BMW,

Jedan od njih je eksperiment koji sam radio za BMW,

an attempt to make a car.

u pokušaju da napravim automobil.

It's made out of ice.

Sačinjen je od leda.

A crystalline stackable principle in the center on the top,

Princip kristalne hrpe u sredini na vrhu,

which I am trying to turn into a concert hall in Iceland.

koju pokušavam da pretvorim u koncertnu dvoranu u Islandu.

A sort of a run track, or a walk track,

Nešto poput staze za trčanje ili hodanje

on the top of a museum in Denmark,

na vrhu muzeja u Danskoj,

which is made of colored glass, going all around.

koja je u celosti napravljena od obojenog stakla.

So the movement with your legs

Pokret vaših stopala

will change the color of your horizon.

će promeniti boju vašeg horizonta.

And two summers ago at the Hyde Park in London,

Pre dva leta u Hajd parku u Londonu,

with the Serpentine Gallery:

sa Serpentin galerijom:

a kind of a temporal pavilion where

neka vrsta vremenskog paviljona

moving was the only way you could see the pavilion.

gde je kretanje bio jedini način da se paviljon vidi.

This summer, in New York:

Ovog leta u Njujorku:

there is one thing about falling water which is very much about

postoji nešto u vezi sa vodom koja pada

the time it takes for water to fall.

i vremenom koje je za to potrebno.

It's quite simple and fundamental.

Jednostavno je i bitno.

I've walked a lot in the mountains in Iceland.

Dosta sam hodao po planinama Islanda.

And as you come to a new valley,

I dok prilazite novoj dolini,

as you come to a new landscape, you have a certain view.

kako dolazite u novi pejzaž, imate određenu perspektivu.

If you stand still, the landscape

Ako mirno stojite,

doesn't necessarily tell you how big it is.

pejzaž vam neće obavezno reći koliki je.

It doesn't really tell you what you're looking at.

Ne kaže vam u šta zapravo gledate.

The moment you start to move, the mountain starts to move.

Kad počnete da se krećete, planina počne da se kreće.

The big mountains far away, they move less.

Velike planine u daljini se kreću manje.

The small mountains in the foreground, they move more.

Male planine u prvom planu se kreću više.

And if you stop again, you wonder,

I ako opet zastanete, zapitate se:

"Is that a one-hour valley?

"Da li je to dolina od jednog sata?

Or is that a three-hour hike, or is that a whole day I'm looking at?"

Ili je to pešačenje od tri sata ili gledam u ceo dan?"

If you have a waterfall in there,

Ako tu imate vodopad,

right out there at the horizon; you look at the waterfall

baš tu na horizontu; posmatrate ga

and you go, "Oh, the water is falling really slowly."

i kažete: "O, voda pada veoma sporo."

And you go, "My god it's really far away and it's a giant waterfall."

I kažete: "Bože moj, zaista je daleko taj ogromni vodopad."

If a waterfall is falling faster,

Ako se vodopad kreće brže,

it's a smaller waterfall which is closer by --

to je manji vodopad koji je bliži -

because the speed of falling water is pretty constant everywhere.

jer je brzina vode koja pada prilično konstantna svuda.

And your body somehow knows that.

I vaše telo nekako to zna.

So this means a waterfall is a way of measuring space.

To znači da je vodopad način merenja prostora.

Of course being an iconic city like New York,

Naravno, kultni grad poput Njujorka,

that has had an interest in somehow

koji je bio zainteresovan da se na neki način

playing around with the sense of space, you could say that New York

poigra sa osećajem prostora, može se reći da Njujork

wants to seem as big as possible.

želi da izgleda što veći.

Adding a measurement

Kada tome dodamo meru

to that is interesting:

to postaje zanimljivo:

the falling water suddenly gives you a sense

voda koja pada odjednom vam daje osećaj

of, "Oh, Brooklyn is exactly this much --

sledećeg: "O, Bruklin je baš toliki -

the distance between Brooklyn and Manhattan, in this case

razdaljina između Bruklina i Menhetna, u ovom slučaju

the lower East River is this big."

donji deo Ist Rivera je ovoliki."

So it was not just necessarily about putting nature into the cities.

Nije se nužno radilo samo o postavljanju prirode u gradove.

It was also about giving the city a sense of dimension.

Radilo se i o davanju osećaja dimenzije gradovima.

And why would we want to do that?

Zašto bismo želeli to?

Because I think it makes a difference

Zato što mislim da postoji razlika

whether you have a body

između toga da imate telo

that feels a part of a space,

koje se oseća kao deo prostora

rather than having a body which is just in front of a picture.

i tela koje je samo ispred neke slike.

And "Ha-ha, there is a picture and here is I. And what does it matter?"

I: "Haha, tu je slika i tu sam ja. I kakve to ima veze?"

Is there a sense of consequences?

Postoji li osećaj posledičnosti?

So if I have a sense of the space,

Ako imam osećaj prostora,

if I feel that the space is tangible,

ako osećam da je prostor opipljiv,

if I feel there is time,

ako osećam da postoji vreme,

if there is a dimension I could call time,

ako postoji dimenzija koja se zove vreme,

I also feel that I can change the space.

takođe osećam da mogu da promenim prostor.

And suddenly it makes a difference

I odjednom postoji razlika

in terms of making space accessible.

što se tiče dostupnosti prostora.

One could say this is about

Moglo bi se reći da je ovo stvar

community, collectivity.

zajednice, kolektivizma.

It's about being together.

Radi se o tome da smo zajedno.

How do we create public space?

Kako stvaramo javni prostor?

What does the word "public" mean today anyway?

Šta reč "javni" danas uopšte znači?

So, asked in that way,

Kada se pitanje tako postavi,

I think it raises great things about

mislim da otvara velike stvari

parliamentary ideas, democracy, public space,

poput parlamentarnih ideja, demokratije, javnog prostora,

being together, being individual.

biti zajedno i biti pojedinac.

How do we create

Kako da stvorimo

an idea which is both tolerant to individuality,

zamisao koja je tolerantna i na individualnost

and also to collectivity,

i na kolektivizam,

without polarizing the two

a da ne polarišemo to dvoje

into two different opposites?

u dve različite krajnosti?

Of course the political agendas in the world

Naravno da su političke agende širom sveta

has been very obsessed, polarizing the two against each other

opsednute time da suprotstave ova dva pojma

into different, very normative ideas.

u različite i normativne ideje.

I would claim that art and culture,

Rekao bih da umetnost i kultura,

and this is why art and culture are so incredibly interesting

zbog ovoga su umetnost i kultura tako neverovatno zanimljive

in the times we're living in now,

u današnje vreme,

have proven that one can

dokazale da se može

create a kind of a space

napraviti vrsta prostora

which is both sensitive to individuality

koji je osetljiv i na individualnost

and to collectivity.

i na kolektivnost.

It's very much about this causality, consequences.

Velikim delom se radi o ovoj kauzalnosti, o posledicama.

It's very much about the way we link

O načinu na koji povezujemo

thinking and doing.

mišljenje i akciju.

So what is between thinking and doing?

Šta se nalazi između mišljenja i akcije?

And right in-between thinking and doing,

Upravo tu između razmišljanja i akcije,

I would say, there is experience.

rekao bih da se nalazi iskustvo.

And experience is not just

Iskustvo nije samo

a kind of entertainment in a non-casual way.

vid formalne zabave.

Experience is about responsibility.

Iskustvo ima veze s odgovornošću.

Having an experience is taking part in the world.

Imati iskustvo znači učestvovati u svetu.

Taking part in the world is really about sharing responsibility.

Učestvovati u svetu je zapravo deljenje odgovornosti.

So art, in that sense,

Umetnost, u tom smislu

I think holds an incredible relevance

ima veliku važnost

in the world in which we're moving into,

u svetu prema kom se krećemo

particularly right now.

i to naročito sada.

That's all I have. Thank you very much.

To je sve što imam. Puno vam hvala.

(Applause)

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