Playing with space and light | Olafur Eliasson

Prevoditelj: Tilen Pigac - EFZG Recezent: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG

I have a studio in Berlin --

Imam studio u Berlinu --

let me cue on here --

dopustite mi da malo pričekam --

which is down there in this snow, just last weekend.

koji je tamo dolje u snijegu, upravo prošli vikend.

In the studio we do a lot of experiments.

U studiju, radimo mnogo eksperimenata.

I would consider the studio more like a laboratory.

Smatram kako je studio više laboratorij.

I have occasional meetings with scientists.

Imam povremene sastanke sa znanstvenicima.

And I have an academy, a part of the University of Fine Arts in Berlin.

I imam akademiju, dio akademije likovnih umjetnosti, Sveučilišta u Berlinu.

We have an annual gathering of people,

Imamo godišnje okupljanje ljudi,

and that is called Life in Space.

i to se zove 'Život u prostoru'.

Life in Space is really not necessarily about

'Život u prostoru' nije nužno o

how we do things, but why we do things.

tome kako radimo stvari, već zašto radimo stvari.

Do you mind looking, with me, at that little cross in the center there?

Hoćete li, molim vas, pogledati, zajedno sa mnom, ovaj mali križić ovdje u sredini?

So just keep looking. Don't mind me.

Dakle, samo gledajte. Nemojte se obazirati na mene.

So you will have a yellow circle, and we will do an after-image experiment.

Dakle, vidjet ćete žuti krug. I napraviti ćemo eksperiment nakon gledanja.

When the circle goes away you will have another color, the complementary color.

Kada krug nestane, vidjeti ćete drugu boju, komplementarnu boju.

I am saying something. And your eyes and your brain are saying something back.

Ja kažem nešto. A vaše oči i vaš mozak kažu nešto natrag.

This whole idea of sharing, the idea of constituting reality

Ta cijela ideja dijeljenja, ideja stvaranja stvarnosti

by overlapping what I say and what you say --

preklapanjem onoga što ja kažem i onoga što vi kažete --

think of a movie.

pomislite o tome kao o filmu.

Since two years now, with some stipends from the science ministry in Berlin,

Već dvije godine, s nekim stipendistima Ministarstva znanosti u Berlinu,

I've been working on these films

radim na tim filmovima

where we produce the film together.

gdje stvaramo film zajedno.

I don't necessarily think the film is so interesting.

Ne mislim nužno kako je film jako interesantan.

Obviously this is not interesting at all in the sense of the narrative.

Očito je kako ovo nije uopće zanimljivo s aspekta priče.

But nevertheless, what the potential is --

Ali svejedno, potencijal je --

and just keep looking there --

i samo nastavite gledati tamo --

what the potential is, obviously,

potencijal je, očito,

is to kind of move the border of who is the author,

na neki način pomaknuti granicu o tome tko je autor,

and who is the receiver.

a tko su primatelji.

Who is the consumer, if you want,

Tko je potrošač, ako želite,

and who has responsibility for what one sees?

i tko ima odgovornost za ono što netko vidi?

I think there is a socializing dimension

Mislim kako postoji društvena dimenzija

in, kind of, moving that border.

u pomicanju te granice.

Who decides what reality is?

Tko određuje što je stvarnost?

This is the Tate Modern in London.

Ovo je Tate Modern u Londonu.

The show was, in a sense, about that.

Predstava je, u neku ruku, o tome.

It was about a space in which I put half a semi-circular yellow disk.

Radilo se o prostoru u koji ja stavim polovicu polukružnog žutog diska.

I also put a mirror in the ceiling, and some fog, some haze.

Ujedno stavim i ogledalo na strop, i malo magle i nešto sumaglice.

And my idea was to make the space tangible.

I moja ideja je bila učiniti prostor opipljivim.

With such a big space, the problem is

S tako velikim prostorom, problem je

obviously that there is a discrepancy

očito u tome kako postoji diskrepancija

between what your body can embrace,

između onoga što vaše tijelo može prigrliti,

and what the space, in that sense, is.

i onoga što prostor, u tom smislu, jest.

So here I had the hope that by inserting some natural elements,

Ovdje je, dakle, postojala nada kako ću ubacivanjem nekih prirodnih elemenata,

if you want -- some fog -- I could make the space tangible.

ako želite, nešto magle, mogao učiniti prostor opipljivim.

And what happens is that people, they start to see themselves in this space.

I ono što se događa jest da se ljudi počinju vidjeti u tom prostoru.

So look at this. Look at the girl.

Dakle, pogledajte ovo. Gledajte u djevojčicu.

Of course they have to look through a bloody camera

Naravno da moraju gledati kroz prokletu kameru

in a museum. Right? That's how museums are working today.

u muzeju. Točno? Tako muzeji funkcioniraju u današnje doba.

But look at her face there,

Ali pogledajte njezino lice tamo,

as she's checking out, looking at herself in the mirror.

kada pregledava, kada se gleda u zrcalu.

"Oh! That was my foot there!"

"O! To je moje stopalo tamo!"

She wasn't really sure whether she was seeing herself or not.

Nije zaista bila sigurna vidi li sebe ili ne.

And in that whole idea,

I [pitanje je]:

how do we configure the relationship between our body and the space?

kako oblikujemo povezanost između našeg tijela i prostora?

How do we reconfigure it?

Kako ga preustrojimo?

How do we know that being in a space makes a difference?

Kako znamo da to što smo u prostoru čini razliku?

Do you see when I said in the beginning, it's about

Vidite li kada sam rekao na početku, radi se o

why, rather than how?

zašto, umjesto o kako?

The why meant really,

Zašto zapravo znači,

"What consequences does it have when I take a step?"

"Koje posljedice će imati kada napravim korak?"

"What does it matter?"

"Zašto je važno?"

"Does it matter if I am in the world or not?"

"Je li važno jesam li na svijetu ili nisam?"

"And does it matter whether the kind of actions I take

"I je li važno da li se akcije koje poduzimam

filter into a sense of responsibility?"

filtriraju u osjećaj odgovornosti?"

Is art about that?

Radi li se u umjetnosti o tome?

I would say yes. It is obviously about

Rekao bih da da. Očito se ne radi

not just about decorating the world, and making it look even better,

samo o ukrašavanju svijeta, i činiti da izgleda boljim.

or even worse, if you ask me.

Ili čak gorim, ako mene pitate.

It's obviously also about taking responsibility,

Očito se radi i o preuzimanju odgovornosti,

like I did here when throwing some green dye in the river

kao što sam ja učinio kada sam bacao zelenu boju u rijeku

in L.A., Stockholm, Norway and Tokyo,

u LA-u, Stockholmu, Norveškoj i Tokiju,

among other places.

između drugih mjesta.

The green dye is not environmentally dangerous,

Zelena boja nije štetna za okoliš,

but it obviously looks really rather frightening.

ali očito izgleda zaista zastrašujuće.

And it's on the other side also, I think, quite beautiful,

I na drugoj je strani isto, mislim, prilično lijepa.

as it somehow shows the turbulence in these kind of downtown areas,

Na neki način pokazuje turbulenciju u tim područjima gradskih centara,

in these different places of the world.

u tim različitim mjestima na svijetu.

The "Green river," as a kind of activist idea, not a part of an exhibition,

'Zelena rijeka' kao dio aktivističke ideje, ne kao dio izložbe,

it was really about showing people,

ja sam zapravo pokazivao ljudima,

in this city, as they walk by,

u tom gradu, kako hodaju pored toga,

that space has dimensions. A space has time.

da prostor ima dimenzije. Prostor ima vrijeme.

And the water flows through the city with time.

I voda teče kroz grad s vremenom.

The water has an ability to make

Voda ima mogućnost da učini

the city negotiable, tangible.

grad savladivim, opipljivim.

Negotiable meaning that it makes a difference

Savladivo znači da dolazi do razlike

whether you do something or not.

kada učinite nešto ili kada ne učinite ništa.

It makes a difference whether you say, "I'm a part of this city.

Donosi razliku kada kažete, "Ja sam dio tog grada.

And if I vote it makes a difference.

I ako glasam, to čini razliku.

If I take a stand, it makes a difference."

Ukoliko zauzmem stav, to čini razliku."

This whole idea of a city not being a picture is,

Cijela ta ideja kako grad nije slika je,

I think, something that art, in a sense,

mislim, nešto s čime je umjetnost, na neki način,

always was working with.

uvijek radila.

The idea that art can actually evaluate the relationship

Ideja kako umjetnost zapravo može procjeniti vezu

between what it means to be in a picture,

između toga što znači biti na slici,

and what it means to be in a space. What is the difference?

i što znači biti u prostoru. Koja je razlika?

The difference between thinking and doing.

Razlika između razmišljanja i činjenja.

So these are different experiments with that. I won't go into them.

Dakle, to su različiti eksperimenti s time. Neću ulaziti u njih.

Iceland, lower right corner, my favorite place.

Island, donji desni kut, moje najdraže mjesto.

These kinds of experiments, they filter into architectural models.

Takva vrsta eksperimenata, oni se filtriraju u arhitekturalne modele.

These are ongoing experiments.

Oni su eksperimenti u tijeku.

One is an experiment I did for BMW,

Jedan je eksperiment koji sam radio za BMW,

an attempt to make a car.

pokušaj da napravim auto.

It's made out of ice.

Napravljen je od leda.

A crystalline stackable principle in the center on the top,

Princip kristalne hrpe u sredini na vrhu,

which I am trying to turn into a concert hall in Iceland.

koji pokušavam pretvoriti u koncertnu dvoranu na Islandu.

A sort of a run track, or a walk track,

Nešto nalik stazi za trčanje, ili nogostupu,

on the top of a museum in Denmark,

na vrhu muzeja u Danskoj,

which is made of colored glass, going all around.

koja je napravljena od obojenog stakla,i ide [cijelim putem] naokolo.

So the movement with your legs

Dakle, kretanje vaših nogu

will change the color of your horizon.

će promijeniti boju vašeg obzora.

And two summers ago at the Hyde Park in London,

A [prije dva ljeta],u Hyde Parku u Londonu,

with the Serpentine Gallery:

sa Serpentine galerijom:

a kind of a temporal pavilion where

Neka vrsta privremenog paviljon gdje

moving was the only way you could see the pavilion.

ste kretnjom jedino mogli vidjeti paviljon.

This summer, in New York:

Ovo ljeto, u New Yorku:

there is one thing about falling water which is very much about

Postoji jedna stvar o vodi koja pada a to je kako se radi uvelike o

the time it takes for water to fall.

vremenu koje je potrebno da voda padne.

It's quite simple and fundamental.

Prilično je jednostavno i osnovno.

I've walked a lot in the mountains in Iceland.

Puno sam pješačio kroz planine na Islandu.

And as you come to a new valley,

I kako dođete do nove doline,

as you come to a new landscape, you have a certain view.

kako dođete do novog krajolika, ima određeni pogled.

If you stand still, the landscape

Ukoliko stojite na mjesto, krajolik

doesn't necessarily tell you how big it is.

vam neće nužno reći koliko je velik.

It doesn't really tell you what you're looking at.

Ne kaže vam zapravo u što gledate.

The moment you start to move, the mountain starts to move.

Trenutak kada se počinjete kretati, planine se počinju kretati.

The big mountains far away, they move less.

Velike planine u udaljenosti, one se miču manje.

The small mountains in the foreground, they move more.

Male planine u prvom planu, one se miču više.

And if you stop again, you wonder,

A ukoliko se ponovno zaustavite, pitate se,

"Is that a one-hour valley?

"Je li to dolina za jedan sat?

Or is that a three-hour hike, or is that a whole day I'm looking at?"

Ili je li to tri sata pješačenja, ili je to u što gledam cijeli dan?"

If you have a waterfall in there,

Ukoliko imate tamo vodopad,

right out there at the horizon; you look at the waterfall

upravo tamo na obzoru; gledate vodopad

and you go, "Oh, the water is falling really slowly."

i mislite si, "O, voda doista pada sporo."

And you go, "My god it's really far away and it's a giant waterfall."

I reći ćete, "Moj Bože, pa to je stvarno jako daleko i to je ogroman vodopad."

If a waterfall is falling faster,

Ukoliko voda pada brže,

it's a smaller waterfall which is closer by --

to je manji vodopad koji je bliže --

because the speed of falling water is pretty constant everywhere.

jer je brzina vode koja pada prilično konstantna svugdje.

And your body somehow knows that.

I vaše tijelo to nekako zna.

So this means a waterfall is a way of measuring space.

Dakle, to znači kako je vodopad način mjerenja prostora.

Of course being an iconic city like New York,

Naravno, ikonski grad poput New Yorka,

that has had an interest in somehow

koji je imao interes, na neki način,

playing around with the sense of space, you could say that New York

poigravati se s tim osjećajem prostora, moglo bi se reći kako New York,

wants to seem as big as possible.

želi izgledati što je veći moguće.

Adding a measurement

Dodajući mjeru

to that is interesting:

tome je zanimljivo:

the falling water suddenly gives you a sense

voda koja pada vam odmah daje osjećaj

of, "Oh, Brooklyn is exactly this much --

"O, Brooklyn je točno toliko --

the distance between Brooklyn and Manhattan, in this case

udaljenost između Brooklyna i Manhattana, u ovom slučaju

the lower East River is this big."

donji dio East Rivera je toliko velik."

So it was not just necessarily about putting nature into the cities.

Dakle, nije se radilo nužno o stavljanju prirode u gradove.

It was also about giving the city a sense of dimension.

Radilo se i o davanju gradu osjećaj dimenzije.

And why would we want to do that?

A zašto bi to htjeli učiniti?

Because I think it makes a difference

Jer mislim kako to čini razliku

whether you have a body

imati li tijelo

that feels a part of a space,

koje osjeća dio prostora

rather than having a body which is just in front of a picture.

i tijela koje samo stoji ispred slike.

And "Ha-ha, there is a picture and here is I. And what does it matter?"

I "Ha-ha, ovdje je slika i ovdje sam ja. I kakve to ima veze?"

Is there a sense of consequences?

Postoji li osjećaj posljedica?

So if I have a sense of the space,

Dakle, ako imam osjećaj za prostor,

if I feel that the space is tangible,

ako osjećam kako je prostor opipljiv,

if I feel there is time,

ako osjećam kako postoji vrijeme,

if there is a dimension I could call time,

ako postoji dimenzija koju mogu nazvati vremenom,

I also feel that I can change the space.

mogu isto tako osjećati kako mogu promijeniti prostor.

And suddenly it makes a difference

I odjednom to čini razliku

in terms of making space accessible.

u terminima pristupačnosti prostora.

One could say this is about

Netko bi mogao reći kako se radi o

community, collectivity.

zajednici, kolektivizmu.

It's about being together.

Radi se o tome da smo zajedno.

How do we create public space?

Kako stvaramo javni prostor?

What does the word "public" mean today anyway?

Što riječ 'javni' znači danas?

So, asked in that way,

Dakle, pitanje postavljeno na taj način,

I think it raises great things about

mislim kako otvara velike stvari poput

parliamentary ideas, democracy, public space,

parlamentarnih ideja, demokracije, javnog prostora,

being together, being individual.

biti zajedno, biti pojedinac.

How do we create

Kako stvorimo

an idea which is both tolerant to individuality,

ideju koja je u isto vrijeme tolerantna prema individualizmu,

and also to collectivity,

i prema kolektivizmu,

without polarizing the two

bez polarizacije to dvoje

into two different opposites?

u dvije različite suprotnosti?

Of course the political agendas in the world

Naravno da su politički dnevni redovi u svijetu

has been very obsessed, polarizing the two against each other

bili vrlo opsjednuti, polarizirajući to dvoje jedno nasuprot drugom

into different, very normative ideas.

u različite, vrlo normativne ideje.

I would claim that art and culture,

Tvrdio bih kako su umjetnost i kultura,

and this is why art and culture are so incredibly interesting

a i zato su umjetnost i kultura nevjerojatno zanimljive

in the times we're living in now,

u vremenima u kojima sada živimo,

have proven that one can

dokazale kako netko može

create a kind of a space

stvoriti neku vrstu prostora

which is both sensitive to individuality

koji je osjetljiv i prema individualizmu

and to collectivity.

i kolektivizmu.

It's very much about this causality, consequences.

U velikoj mjeri se radi o toj uzročnosti, posljedicama.

It's very much about the way we link

U velikoj mjeri se radi o načinu na koji povezujemo

thinking and doing.

razmišljanje i činjenje.

So what is between thinking and doing?

Dakle, što je između razmišljanja i činjenja?

And right in-between thinking and doing,

A upravo između razmišljanja i činjenja,

I would say, there is experience.

rekao bih, nalazi se iskustvo.

And experience is not just

A iskustvo nije samo

a kind of entertainment in a non-casual way.

vrsta zabave na neprivržen način.

Experience is about responsibility.

Iskustvo govori o odgovornosti.

Having an experience is taking part in the world.

Imati iskustvo znači biti dio svijeta.

Taking part in the world is really about sharing responsibility.

Biti dijelom svijeta je zapravo dijeljenje odgovornosti.

So art, in that sense,

Stoga umjetnost, u tom smislu,

I think holds an incredible relevance

mislim kako ima nevjerojatnu važnost

in the world in which we're moving into,

u svijetu prema kojem se mi krećemo.

particularly right now.

Naročito upravo sada.

That's all I have. Thank you very much.

To je sve što imam. Puno vam hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)