Daniel Libeskind's 17 words of architectural inspiration

Prevodilac: Mile Živković Lektor: Anja Saric

I'll start with my favorite muse, Emily Dickinson,

Počeću sa svojom omiljenom muzom, Emili Dikinson,

who said that wonder is not knowledge, neither is it ignorance.

koja je rekla da čudo nije znanje, niti je to neznanje.

It's something which is suspended

To je nešto što visi

between what we believe we can be,

između onog što verujemo da možemo da budemo

and a tradition we may have forgotten.

i tradicije koju smo možda zaboravili.

And I think, when I listen to these incredible people here,

I mislim, kad slušam ove neverovatne ljude ovde,

I've been so inspired -- so many incredible ideas, so many visions.

toliko sam inspirisan - tako mnogo neverovatnih ideja, tako mnogo vizija.

And yet, when I look at the environment outside,

A ipak, kad pogledate okolinu napolju,

vidite koliko je arhitektura otporna na promenu.

you see how resistant architecture is to change.

You see how resistant it is to those very ideas.

Vidite kako je otporna na baš te ideje.

We can think them out. We can create incredible things.

Možemo da ih smislimo. Možemo da kreiramo neverovatne stvari.

And yet, at the end,

A ipak, na kraju

it's so hard to change a wall.

je tako teško promeniti zid.

We applaud the well-mannered box.

Mi podržavamo finu kutiju.

But to create a space that never existed is what interests me;

Ali mene zanima da stvorim prostor koji nikad nije postojao,

to create something that has never been,

da napravim nešto što nikad nije bilo,

a space that we have never entered except in our minds and our spirits.

prostor u koji nikad nismo ušli osim u našoj mašti i duhu.

And I think that's really what architecture is based on.

I mislim da je to ono na čemu se zasniva arhitektura.

Architecture is not based on concrete

Arhitektura nije zasnovana na betonu

and steel and the elements of the soil.

i čeliku i elementima iz zemlje.

It's based on wonder.

Ona se zasniva na čudu.

And that wonder is really what has created the greatest cities,

I to čudo je ono što je stvorilo najveće gradove,

the greatest spaces that we have had.

najveće prostore koje imamo.

And I think that is indeed what architecture is. It is a story.

I mislim da je to u stvari ono što je arhitektura. To je priča.

By the way, it is a story that is told through

Priča koja je ispričana

its hard materials.

kroz njene materijale.

But it is a story of effort and struggle

Ali to je priča o trudu i borbi

against improbabilities.

protiv nepredviđenih stvari.

If you think of the great buildings, of the cathedrals, of the temples,

Ako razmišljate o velikim građevinama, katedralama, hramovima,

of the pyramids, of pagodas,

piramidama, pagodama,

of cities in India and beyond,

o gradovima u Indiji i tako dalje,

you think of how incredible this is that that was realized

razmišljate kako je neverovatno da ovo nije ostvarila

not by some abstract idea, but by people.

neka apstraktna ideja, već ljudi.

So, anything that has been made can be unmade.

Sve što je napravljeno može da se sruši.

Anything that has been made can be made better.

Sve što je napravljeno može da se poboljša.

There it is: the things that I really believe

Eto ga: stvari u koje stvarno verujem

are of important architecture.

se tiču važne arhitekture.

Ovo su dimenzije sa kojima bih želeo da radim.

These are the dimensions that I like to work with.

It's something very personal.

To je nešto vrlo lično.

To nisu možda dimenzije prihvaćene od kritičara umetnosti

It's not, perhaps, the dimensions appreciated by art critics

or architecture critics or city planners.

ili arhitektonskih kritičara ili onih koji planiraju grad.

But I think these are the necessary oxygen

Ali ja mislim da su one onaj neophodan kiseonik

for us to live in buildings, to live in cities,

za nas, da bismo živeli u zgradama, u gradovima,

to connect ourselves in a social space.

da nas poveže sa društvenim prostorom.

And I therefore believe that optimism is what drives architecture forward.

I zato verujem da je optimizam ono što gura arhitekturu napred.

It's the only profession where you have to believe in the future.

To je jedina profesija gde morate da verujete u budućnost.

You can be a general, a politician, an economist who is depressed,

Možete biti general, političar, ekonomista koji je depresivan,

a musician in a minor key, a painter in dark colors.

muzičar u molu, slikar u tamnim bojama.

But architecture is that complete ecstasy that the future can be better.

Ali arhitektura je potpuna ekstaza u vezi sa mogućnošću da budućnost bude bolja.

And it is that belief that I think drives society.

I mislim da je to ta vera koja gura društvo napred.

And today we have a kind of evangelical pessimism all around us.

A danas imamo jevanđeljski pesimizam svuda oko nas.

And yet it is in times like this

Pa ipak u vremenu kao što je ovo,

that I think architecture can thrive with big ideas,

mislim da arhitektura može da napreduje se velikim idejama,

ideas that are not small. Think of the great cities.

idejama koje nisu male. Pomislite na velike gradove.

Pomislite na Empajer stejt bilding, Rokfeler centar.

Think of the Empire State Building, the Rockefeller Center.

They were built in times that were

One su izgrađene u vremenima koja

not really the best of times in a certain way.

nisu bila baš najbolja na neki način.

And yet that energy and power of architecture

Pa ipak ta energija i moć arhitekture

has driven an entire social and political space that these buildings occupy.

je pokrenula čitav socijalni i politički prostor koje ove zgrade zauzimaju.

So again, I am a believer in the expressive.

Ja verujem u ekspresivno.

I have never been a fan of the neutral.

Nisam nikad bio ljubitelj neutralnog.

I don't like neutrality in life, in anything.

Ne volim neutralnost u životu, u bilo čemu.

I think expression.

Razmišljam ekspresivno.

And it's like espresso coffee, you know, you take the essence of the coffee.

I to je kao espreso kafa - uzimate suštinu kafe.

That's what expression is.

To je ono što je ekspresija.

It's been missing in much of the architecture,

Ona nedostaje u većini arhitekture

because we think architecture is the realm of the neutered,

jer mislimo da je arhitektura kraljevstvo kastriranih,

the realm of the kind of a state that has no opinion,

kraljevstvo one vrste države koja nema mišljenje,

that has no value.

koja nema vrednost.

And yet, I believe it is the expression --

I ipak, verujem da je ekspresija -

expression of the city, expression of our own space --

ekspresija grada, ekspresija našeg ličnog prostora

that gives meaning to architecture.

ono što daje smisao arhitekturi.

And, of course, expressive spaces are not mute.

i naravno, ekspresivni prostori nisu nemi.

Expressive spaces are not spaces

Ekspresivni prostori nisu prostori

koji jednostavno potvrđuju ono što već znamo.

that simply confirm what we already know.

Expressive spaces may disturb us.

Ekspresivni prostori mogu da nas uznemire.

And I think that's also part of life.

I mislim da je to takođe deo života.

Life is not just an anesthetic to make us smile,

Život nije samo anestetik da bi učinio da budemo nasmejani,

but to reach out across the abyss of history,

nego da posegnemo preko ambisa istorije,

to places we have never been,

do mesta gde nikad nismo bili

and would have perhaps been, had we not been so lucky.

i gde možda ne bismo bili da nismo imali toliko sreće.

So again, radical versus conservative.

Dakle, radikalno protiv konzervativnog.

Radical, what does it mean? It's something which is rooted,

Radikalno, šta to znači? To je nešto što je ukorenjeno

i nešto što je ukorenjeno duboko u tradiciji.

and something which is rooted deep in a tradition.

And I think that is what architecture is, it's radical.

I mislim da je to ono što je arhitektura, radikalna.

It's not just a conservation in formaldehyde

To nije samo čuvanje mrtvih formi

of dead forms.

u formaldehidu.

It is actually a living connection

To je u stvari živa veza

to the cosmic event that we are part of,

sa kosmičkim događajem čiji smo deo

and a story that is certainly ongoing.

i priča koja je sigurno u toku.

It's not something that has a good ending or a bad ending.

Nije nešto što ima dobar kraj ili loš kraj.

It's actually a story in which our acts themselves

To je u stvari priča u kojoj naša dela

are pushing the story in a particular way.

guraju priču u određenom pravcu.

So again I am a believer in the radical architecture.

I ja verujem u radikalnu arhitekturu.

You know the Soviet architecture of that building

Znate da je sovjetska arhitektura ove zgrade

is the conservation.

konzervacija.

It's like the old Las Vegas used to be.

Kao što je bio stari Las Vegas.

It's about conserving emotions, conserving the traditions

Želi da konzervira emocije, konzervira tradicije

that have obstructed the mind in moving forward

koje su smetale umu da ide napred

and of course what is radical is to confront them.

i naravno ono što je radikalno je da im se suprotstavi.

And I think our architecture is a confrontation

I ja mislim da je naša arhitektura sukob

with our own senses.

sa našim sopstvenim čulima.

Zbog toga mislim da ne bi trebalo da bude "kul".

Therefore I believe it should not be cool.

There is a lot of appreciation for the kind of cool architecture.

Mnogo se ceni "kul" arhitektura.

I've always been an opponent of it. I think emotion is needed.

Oduvek sam bio protivnik toga. Mislim da je emocija potrebna.

Life without emotion would really not be life.

Život bez emocije ne bi bio život.

Even the mind is emotional.

Čak je i um osećajan.

There is no reason which does not take a position

Ne postoji razlog koji se ne nalazi

in the ethical sphere, in the philosophical mystery of what we are.

u moralnom području, u filozofskoj misteriji o tome ko smo.

So I think emotion is a dimension

Mislim da je emocija dimenzija

that is important to introduce into city space, into city life.

koju je važno uvesti u gradski prostor, u gradski život.

And of course, we are all about the struggle of emotions.

I naravno, mi smo stalno u borbi sa osećanjima.

And I think that is what makes the world a wondrous place.

I mislim da je to ono što čini svet čudesnim mestom.

And of course, the confrontation of the cool, the unemotional with emotion,

I naravno, sukob kul, neosećajnog sa osećajem

is a conversation that I think

je konverzacija koju su, ja mislim,

cities themselves have fostered.

sami gradovi podstakli.

I think that is the progress of cities.

Mislim da je to napredak gradova.

It's not only the forms of cities,

Nije samo oblik gradova

but the fact that they incarnate emotions,

nego činjenica da oni oličavaju osećanja

not just of those who build them,

ne samo onih koji ih grade,

but of those who live there as well.

nego i onih koji tamo žive.

Inexplicable versus understood. You know, too often we want to understand everything.

Neobjašnjivo protiv razumljivog. Često hoćemo sve da razumemo.

But architecture is not the language of words.

Ali arhitektura nije jezik reči.

It's a language. But it is not a language that can be reduced

To je jezik. Ali nije jezik koji može da se svede

to a series of programmatic notes that we can verbally write.

na nizove programskih beleški koje možemo verbalno da napišemo.

Too many buildings that you see outside that are so banal

Previše zgrada koje vidite su tako banalne,

tell you a story, but the story is very short,

pričaju vam priču ali je ona veoma kratka

which says, "We have no story to tell you."

i kaže: "Mi nemamo nikakvu priču."

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So the important thing actually,

Važno je u stvari

is to introduce the actual architectural dimensions,

da uvedemo aktuelne arhitektonske dimenzije,

which might be totally inexplicable in words,

koje su možda potpuno neobjašnjive rečima,

because they operate in proportions,

jer barataju proporcijama,

in materials, in light.

materijalima, svetlom.

They connect themselves into various sources,

Uključuju sebe u različite izvore,

into a kind of complex vector matrix

u neku vrstu složene vektorske matrice

that isn't really frontal

koja nije spolja

but is really embedded in the lives,

nego je u stvari umetnuta u živote

and in the history of a city, and of a people.

i u istoriju grada i ljudi.

So again, the notion that a building should just be explicit

Mišljenje da zgrada treba da bude samo jasna,

I think is a false notion,

mislim da je pogrešno mišljenje

which has reduced architecture into banality.

koje je svelo arhitekturu na banalnost.

Hand versus the computer.

Ruka protiv kompjutera.

Of course, what would we be without computers?

Naravno, šta bi bilo bez kompjutera?

Our whole practice depends on computing.

Naša čitava praksa zavisi od kompjutera.

But the computer should not just be the glove of the hand;

Ali kompjuter ne treba da bude rukavica na ruci;

the hand should really be the driver of the computing power.

ruka treba da bude pokretač kompjuterske moći.

Because I believe that the hand

Jer verujem da ruka,

in all its primitive, in all its physiological obscurity,

u celoj svojoj primitivnoj, fiziološkoj tami,

has a source, though the source is unknown,

ima izvor, iako je izvor nepoznat,

iako ne treba da budemo mistični u vezi sa tim.

though we don't have to be mystical about it.

We realize that the hand has been given us

Shvatamo da su nam ruku dale

by forces that are beyond our own autonomy.

sile koje su izvan naše autonomije.

And I think when I draw drawings

I ja mislim kad crtam crteže

which may imitate the computer, but are not computer drawings --

koji mogu da imitiraju kompjuter ali nisu kompjuterski crteži -

drawings that can come from sources

crteži koji dolaze iz izvora

that are completely not known, not normal, not seen,

koji su kompletno nepoznati, nenormalni, neviđeni,

yet the hand -- and that's what I really, to all of you who are working --

a ipak ručni - i zbog toga ja stvarno, svima vama koji radite -

how can we make the computer respond to our hand

kako možemo da napravimo da kompjuter reaguje na našu ruku

rather than the hand responding to the computer.

umesto da ruka reaguje na kompjuter.

I think that's part of what the complexity of architecture is.

Mislim da je to deo onoga što je složenost arhitekture.

Because certainly we have gotten used to the propaganda

Jer smo se svakako navikli na propagandu

da je jednostavno ono što je dobro. Ali ja ne verujem u to.

that the simple is the good. But I don't believe it.

Listening to all of you, the complexity of thought,

Slušajući sve vas, kompleksnost razmišljanja,

the complexity of layers of meaning is overwhelming.

kompleksnost slojeva značenja je ogromna.

And I think we shouldn't shy away in architecture,

I mislim da ne treba da budemo stidljivi u arhitekturi,

You know, brain surgery, atomic theory,

Hirurgija mozga, teorija atoma,

genetics, economics

genetika, ekonomija

are complex complex fields.

su kompleksne oblasti.

There is no reason that architecture should shy away

Nema razloga da se arhitektura stidi

and present this illusory world of the simple.

i predstavlja ovaj varljiv svet jednostavnosti.

It is complex. Space is complex.

Kompleksno je. Svemir je kompleksan.

Space is something that folds out of itself into completely new worlds.

Svemir je nešto što savija sebe u potpuno nove svetove.

And as wondrous as it is,

I tako čudesan kao što jeste,

it cannot be reduced to a kind of simplification

ne može biti sveden na pojednostavljenost

that we have often come to be admired.

kojoj se često divimo.

And yet, our lives are complex.

I naši životi su složeni.

Our emotions are complex.

Naša osećanja su složena.

Our intellectual desires are complex.

Naše intelektualne želje su složene.

So I do believe that architecture as I see it

Verujem da arhitektura kako je ja vidim

needs to mirror that complexity in every single space that we have,

treba da ogleda složenost u svakom prostoru koji imamo,

in every intimacy that we possess.

u svakoj intimnosti koju posedujemo.

Of course that means that architecture is political.

Naravno, to znači da je arhitektura politička.

The political is not an enemy of architecture.

Političko nije neprijatelj arhitekture.

The politeama is the city. It's all of us together.

Politeama je grad. To smo svi mi.

And I've always believed that the act of architecture,

Oduvek sam verovao da je čin arhitekture,

even a private house, when somebody else will see it, is a political act,

čak i privatna kuća, kada je vidi neko drugi, to je politički čin,

because it will be visible to others.

jer će biti vidljiva drugima.

And we live in a world which is connecting us more and more.

A živimo u svetu koji nas sve više povezuje.

So again, the evasion of that sphere,

Još jednom, izbegavanje tog domena,

which has been so endemic to that sort of pure architecture,

koje je bilo tako često za tu čistu arhitekturu,

nezavisnu arhitekturu koja je samo apstraktni objekat,

the autonomous architecture that is just an abstract object

has never appealed to me.

to me nikada nije privlačilo.

And I do believe that this interaction

Verujem da je ova interakcija

with the history, with history that is often very difficult,

sa istorijom često veoma teška,

to grapple with it, to create

da se uhvati u koštac s njom,

a position that is beyond our normal expectations and to create a critique.

da se stvori pozicija iznad naših normalnih očekivanja i nastane kritika.

Arhitektura je takođe i postavljanje pitanja.

Because architecture is also the asking of questions.

It's not only the giving of answers.

Nije samo davanje odgovora.

It's also, just like life, the asking of questions.

Slično životu, takođe je i postavljanje pitanja.

Therefore it is important that it be real.

Stoga je bitno da bude stvarna.

You know we can simulate almost anything.

Možemo da simuliramo bilo šta.

Ali jedino što nikada nećemo moći da simuliramo

But the one thing that can be ever simulated

is the human heart, the human soul.

je ljudsko srca, duša čoveka.

And architecture is so closely intertwined with it

A arhitektura je toliko bliska tome

because we are born somewhere and we die somewhere.

jer smo rođeni negde i negde umiremo.

So the reality of architecture is visceral. It's not intellectual.

Stvarnost arhitekture je visceralna. Nije intelektualna.

It's not something that comes to us from books and theories.

Nije nešto što nam dolazi iz knjiga i teorija.

It's the real that we touch -- the door, the window,

To je stvarnost koju dodirujemo - vrata, prozor,

the threshold, the bed --

prag, krevet -

such prosaic objects. And yet,

takvi prozaični predmeti. A ipak,

I try, in every building, to take that virtual world,

u svakoj zgradi pokušavam da uzmem taj virtualni svet

which is so enigmatic and so rich,

koji je tako zagonetan i bogat,

and create something in the real world.

i da stvorim nešto u stvarnom svetu.

Create a space for an office,

Da stvorim prostor za kancelariju,

a space of sustainability

prostor održivosti

that really works between that virtuality

koji zaista funkcioniše između tog virutalnog

i koji se može realizovati kao nešto stvarno.

and yet can be realized as something real.

Unexpected versus habitual.

Neočekivano naspram uobičajenog.

What is a habit? It's just a shackle for ourselves.

Šta je uobičajeno? To su samo naši lanci.

It's a self-induced poison.

Otrov koji sami sebi dajemo.

So the unexpected is always unexpected.

Neočekivano je tako uvek neočekivano.

You know, it's true, the cathedrals, as unexpected,

Istina je, katedrale će kao neočekivane

will always be unexpected.

uvek biti neočekivane.

You know Frank Gehry's buildings, they will continue to be unexpected in the future.

Zgrade Frenka Gerija, nastaviće da budu neočekivane u budućnosti.

So not the habitual architecture that instills in us

Dakle, ne arhitektura koja nam uliva

the false sort of stability,

lažni osećaj stabilnosti,

but an architecture that is full of tension,

već arhitektura puna napetosti,

an architecture that goes beyond itself

arhitektura koja ide iznad sebe

to reach a human soul and a human heart,

kako bi dotakla ljudsku dušu i srce,

and that breaks out of the shackles of habits.

i koja baca sa sebe lance navika.

And of course habits are enforced by architecture.

Naravno da arhitektura utvrđuje navike.

When we see the same kind of architecture

Kada vidimo istu arhitekturu,

we become immured in that world of those angles,

opkoljeni smo tim svetom uglova,

of those lights, of those materials.

tih svetala, tih materijala.

We think the world really looks like our buildings.

Mislimo da svet zaista izgleda kao naše zgrade.

And yet our buildings are pretty much limited by the techniques and wonders

A naše zgrade su prilično ograničene tehnikama i čudima

that have been part of them.

koja su deo njih.

So again, the unexpected which is also the raw.

Opet, neočekivano koje je i sirovo.

And I often think of the raw and the refined.

Često mislim o sirovom i prefinjenom.

What is raw? The raw, I would say

Šta je sirovo? Rekao bih da je sirovo

is the naked experience, untouched by luxury,

golo iskustvo, bez luksuza,

untouched by expensive materials,

bez skupih materijala,

untouched by the kind of refinement

bez one prefinjenosti

that we associate with high culture.

koju vezujemo za visoku kulturu.

So the rawness, I think, in space,

Mislim da je sirovost u prostoru,

the fact that sustainability can actually, in the future

činjenica da održivost zaista u budućnosti može

translate into a raw space,

da se prevede u sirov prostor,

a space that isn't decorated,

prostor koji nije ukrašen,

a space that is not mannered in any source,

prostor koji nije usiljen u bilo kakvom izvoru,

but a space that might be cool in terms of its temperature,

ali i prostor koji može biti hladan što se tiče temperature,

might be refractive to our desires.

koji se prelama po našim željama.

A space that doesn't always follow us

Prostor koji nas ne prati uvek

like a dog that has been trained to follow us,

poput psa koji je obučen da ide za nama,

but moves ahead into directions of demonstrating

već se kreće napred u pravcima pokazivanja

other possibilities, other experiences,

drugih mogućnosti, drugih iskustava,

that have never been part of the vocabulary of architecture.

koja nikad nisu bila deo rečnika arhitekture.

And of course that juxtaposition is of great interest to me

Naravno, veoma me interesuje taj kontrast

because it creates a kind of a spark of new energy.

jer stvara varnicu nove energije.

And so I do like something which is pointed, not blunt,

Volim i nešto što je šiljato, nije tupo,

something which is focused on reality,

nešto što je fokusirano na stvarnost,

something that has the power, through its leverage,

nešto što ima moć, kroz svoju snagu,

to transform even a very small space.

da preobrazi čak i veoma mali prostor.

So architecture maybe is not so big, like science,

Arhitektura možda nije velika kao nauka,

but through its focal point

ali kroz svoju fokusnu tačku

it can leverage in an Archimedian way

može na način sličan Arhimedovom da pokrene

what we think the world is really about.

ono za šta mi mislimo da svet zaista jeste.

And often it takes just a building

Često vam je potrebna samo zgrada

to change our experience of what could be done, what has been done,

da bi se promenilo naše iskustvo toga šta može da se uradi, šta je urađeno,

how the world has remained both in between stability and instability.

kako je svet ostao između stabilnosti i nestabilnosti.

And of course buildings have their shapes.

Naravno, zgrade imaju svoje oblike.

Those shapes are difficult to change.

Ove oblike je teško izmeniti.

And yet, I do believe that in every social space,

Ipak, verujem da na svakom društvenom mestu,

in every public space,

na svakom javnom mestu,

there is a desire to communicate more

postoji želja da se više komunicira,

than just that blunt thought, that blunt technique,

osim same tupe misli, te tupe tehnike,

but something that pinpoints, and can point in various directions

da postoji nešto što upire i pokazuje ka raznim pravcima,

forward, backward, sideways and around.

napred, nazad, sa strane i svuda okolo.

So that is indeed what is memory.

To je zapravo pamćenje.

So I believe that my main interest is to memory.

Verujem da je moje glavno polje interesovanja pamćenje.

Without memory we would be amnesiacs.

Bez pamćenja bismo imali amneziju.

We would not know which way we were going,

Ne bismo znali kuda idemo

and why we are going where we're going.

i zašto idemo tamo kuda idemo.

So I've been never interested in the forgettable reuse,

Nikada me nije interesovalo beznačajno ponovno korišćenje,

rehashing of the same things over and over again,

stalno recikliranje istih stvari,

which, of course, get accolades of critics.

koje kritičari naravno hvale.

Critics like the performance to be repeated again and again the same way.

Kritičari vole da se nastup ponavlja iznova i iznova na isti način.

But I rather play something

Ali ja radije sviram nešto

completely unheard of,

što niko nije do tada čuo,

and even with flaws,

čak i sa greškama,

nego da ponavljam istu stvar iznova i iznova,

than repeat the same thing over and over which has been hollowed

by its meaninglessness.

koja je ispražnjena svojom besmislenošću.

So again, memory is the city, memory is the world.

Još jednom, pamćenje je grad, pamćenje je svet.

Without the memory there would be no story to tell.

Bez pamćenja ne bi bilo priča za ispričati.

There would be nowhere to turn.

Ne bismo se mogli nigde okrenuti.

The memorable, I think, is really our world, what we think the world is.

Mislim da nezaboravno zapravo čini naš svet, ono što mi mislimo da je svet.

And it's not only our memory,

Nije to samo naše pamćenje,

but those who remember us,

već onih koji se nas sećaju,

which means that architecture is not mute.

što znači da arhitektura nije nema.

It's an art of communication.

To je umetnost komunikacije.

It tells a story. The story can reach into obscure desires.

Priča priču. Priča može dosegnuti do sakrivenih želja.

It can reach into sources that are not explicitly available.

Može dopreti do izvora koji nisu eksplicitno dostupni.

It can reach into millennia

Može dopreti do milienijuma

that have been buried,

koji su zakopani,

and return them in a just and unexpected equity.

i da ih vrati u pravednu i neočekivanu ravnopravnosti.

So again, I think the notion that

Opet, misao da je najbolja arhitektura tiha

the best architecture is silent has never appealed to me.

mi se nikada nije dopadala.

Silence maybe is good for a cemetery but not for a city.

Tišina je možda dobra za groblje, ali ne i za grad.

Cities should be full of vibrations, full of sound, full of music.

Gradovi treba da budu prepuni vibracija, zvuka i muzike.

And that indeed is the architectural mission

To je zaista misija arhitekture

that I believe is important,

za koju verujem da je bitna,

is to create spaces that are vibrant,

da stvori živahna,

that are pluralistic,

pluralistička mesta,

that can transform the most prosaic activities,

koja mogu da preobraze i najprozaičnije aktivnosti

i uzdignu ih do potpuno drugačijih očekivanja.

and raise them to a completely different expectation.

Create a shopping center, a swimming place

Da stvore šoping centar, mesto za plivanje

that is more like a museum than like entertainment.

koje je više poput muzeja nego zabave.

And these are our dreams.

Ovo su naši snovi.

And of course risk. I think architecture should be risky.

Naravno i rizik. Mislim da arhitektura treba da bude riskantna.

You know it costs a lot of money and so on, but yes,

Znate da košta puno novca i sve to, ali da,

it should not play it safe.

ne treba da igra na sigurno.

It should not play it safe, because if it plays it safe

Ne treba da igra na sigurno, jer ukoliko radi to,

it's not moving us in a direction that we want to be.

ne pomera nas u pravcu gde želimo da idemo.

And I think, of course,

Naravno, mislim

risk is what underlies the world.

da je rizik ono što pokreće svet.

World without risk would not be worth living.

Svet bez rizika nije vredan življenja.

So yes, I do believe that the risk we take in every building.

Tako da verujem u rizik koji preuzimamo sa svakom zgradom.

Risks to create spaces that have never been cantilevered to that extent.

Rizik da se stvore prostori koji nikada nisu bili poduprti do te mere.

Risks of spaces that have never been

Rizik za prostore koji nikada nisu

so dizzying,

bili tako vrtoglavi,

as they should be, for a pioneering city.

kao što bi trebalo, za grad koji nastaje.

Risks that really move architecture

Rizici koji zaista pomeraju arhitekturu,

even with all its flaws, into a space which is much better

čak i sa svim njenim manama, u prostor koji je mnogo bolji

that the ever again repeated

od stalnog ispraznog ponavljanja

hollowness of a ready-made thing.

nečeg već napravljenog.

And of course that is finally what I believe architecture to be.

Naravno, verujem da je na kraju arhitektura baš to.

It's about space. It's not about fashion.

Radi se o prostoru, ne o modi.

It's not about decoration.

Ne o dekoraciji.

It's about creating with minimal means

Radi se o stvaranju nečega

something which can not be repeated,

što ne može da se ponovi, sa minimalnim sredstvima,

što ne može da se simulira ni u jednoj drugoj sferi.

cannot be simulated in any other sphere.

And there of course is the space that we need to breathe,

Naravno, tu je i prostor koji nam je potreban za disanje,

is the space we need to dream.

prostor koji nam je potreban za snove.

These are the spaces that are

Ovo su prostori koji su ne samo

not just luxurious spaces for some of us,

luksuzni za neke od nas,

but are important for everybody in this world.

već i bitni za sve na svetu.

So again, it's not about the changing fashions, changing theories.

Još jednom, ne radi se o menjanju mode ili teorija.

It's about carving out a space for trees.

Iznalazi se prostor za drveće.

It's carving out a space where nature can enter

Iznalazi se prostor gde priroda

the domestic world of a city.

može da uđe u domaći svet grada.

A space where something which has never seen a light of day

Prostor gde nešto što nikada nije videlo svetlo dana

can enter into the inner workings of a density.

može da uđe u samu srž gustine.

And I think that is really the nature of architecture.

Mislim da je zapravo to suština arhitekture.

Now I am a believer in democracy.

Ja verujem u demokratiju.

I don't like beautiful buildings

Ne volim prelepe zgrade

built for totalitarian regimes.

koje su napravljene za totalitarne režime.

Where people cannot speak, cannot vote, cannot do anything.

Gde ljudi ne mogu da pričaju, glasaju, ne mogu ništa.

We too often admire those buildings. We think they are beautiful.

Prečesto se divimo tim zgradama. Mislimo da su prelepe.

And yet when I think of the poverty of society

Ipak, kada pomislim na siromaštvo društva

which doesn't give freedom to its people,

koje ne daje slobodu svojim ljudima,

I don't admire those buildings.

ne divim se tim zgradama.

So democracy, as difficult as it is, I believe in it.

Koliko god da je demokratija teška, ja verujem u nju.

And of course, at Ground Zero what else?

Naravno, na mestu Kula bliznakinja, šta bismo drugo?

It's such a complex project.

To je tako kompleksan projekat.

It's emotional. There is so many interests.

Emocionalan je. Ima toliko interesa.

It's political. There is so many parties to this project.

Politički je. Toliko je strana u ovom projektu.

Puno je interesa. Tu je novac, politička moć.

There is so many interests. There's money. There's political power.

There are emotions of the victims.

Tu su emocije žrtava.

And yet, in all its messiness, in all its difficulties,

Ipak, u svoj zbrci i poteškoćama,

I would not have liked somebody to say,

ne bih voleo da je neko rekao:

"This is the tabula rasa, mister architect -- do whatever you want."

"Gospodine arhitekto, ovo je tabula rasa - radite šta god želite".

I think nothing good will come out of that.

Iz toga ne može da proiziđe ništa dobro.

I think architecture is about consensus.

Mislim da je u arhitekturi bitan konsenzus.

And it is about the dirty word "compromise." Compromise is not bad.

Kao i pogana reč "kompromis". Kompromisi nisu loši.

Compromise, if it's artistic,

Ukoliko je kompromis umetnički,

if it is able to cope with its strategies --

ako može da se snađe sa svojim strategijama -

and there is my first sketch and the last rendering --

tu je moj prvi nacrt i poslednja verzija -

it's not that far away.

to nije tako daleko.

And yet, compromise, consensus,

Ipak verujem u to,

that is what I believe in.

u kompromis, konsenzus.

And Ground Zero, despite all its difficulties, it's moving forward.

Kule bliznakinje, uprkos svim poteškoćama, predstavljaju napredak.

It's difficult. 2011, 2013. Freedom Tower, the memorial.

Teško je. 2011, 2013. Kula slobode, spomenik.

And that is where I end.

Ovde završavam.

I was inspired when I came here as an immigrant

Bio sam nadahnut kada sam došao ovde kao imigrant

on a ship like millions of others,

na brodu, poput miliona drugih.

looking at America from that point of view.

gledajući Ameriku iz tog ugla.

This is America. This is liberty.

Ovo je Amerika. Ovo je sloboda.

This is what we dream about. Its individuality,

O ovome sanjamo. To je individualnost

demonstrated in the skyline. It's resilience.

koja se vidi u horizontu. To je otpornost.

Konačno, to je sloboda koju predstavlja Amerika,

And finally, it's the freedom that America represents,

not just to me, as an immigrant, but to everyone in the world. Thank you.

ne samo meni kao imigrantu, već svima u svetu. Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Chris Anderson: I've got a question.

Kris Anderson: Imam pitanje.

So have you come to peace

Dakle, pomirio si se

with the process that happened at Ground Zero

sa procesom koji se desio kod Kula bliznakinja

and the loss of the original, incredible design that you came up with?

i s gubitkom originalnog, neverovatnog dizajna koji si smislio?

Daniel Libeskind: Look. We have to cure ourselves

Daniel Libeskind: Gledajte, moramo se izlečiti

of the notion that we are authoritarian,

od shvatanja da smo mi autoritet,

that we can determine everything that happens.

da možemo da odredimo sve što se događa.

We have to rely on others, and shape the process in the best way possible.

Moramo se oslanjati na druge i voditi proces na najbolji mogući način.

I came from the Bronx. I was taught not to be a loser,

Ja sam iz Bronksa. Učili su me da ne budem gubitnik,

not to be somebody who just gives up in a fight.

da ne budem neko ko u borbi samo odustane.

You have to fight for what you believe. You don't always win

Morate se boriti za ono u šta verujete.

everything you want to win. But you can steer the process.

Ne pobedite uvek kada to želite. Ali možete voditi taj proces.

And I believe that what will be built at Ground Zero

Verujem da će ono što će tamo biti izgrađeno

will be meaningful, will be inspiring,

imati smisao, biti nadahnjujuće,

will tell other generations of the sacrifices,

generacijama će pričati o žrtvama,

of the meaning of this event.

o značenju ovog događaja.

Not just for New York, but for the world.

Ne samo za Njujork već i za svet.

Kris Anderson: Daniele Libeskinde, mnogo vam hvala.

Chris Anderson: Thank you so much, Daniel Libeskind.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)