Depressed dogs, cats with OCD -- what animal madness means for us humans | Laurel Braitman

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2014-08-21 ・ TED


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Depressed dogs, cats with OCD -- what animal madness means for us humans | Laurel Braitman

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Prevoditelj: Anja Kolobarić Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
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Oliver was an extremely dashing,
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Oliver je bio poletan,
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handsome, charming and largely unstable male
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zgodan, šarmantan i prilično nestabilan mužjak
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that I completely lost my heart to.
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koji mi je ukrao srce.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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He was a Bernese mountain dog,
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Bio je on bernski planinski pas,
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and my ex-husband and I adopted him,
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a moj bivši muž i ja posvojili smo ga.
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and about six months in,
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Nakon otprilike šest mjeseci
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we realized that he was a mess.
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shvatili smo da ima problema.
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He had such paralyzing separation anxiety
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Imao je takvu paralizirajuću separacijsku anksioznost
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that we couldn't leave him alone.
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da ga nismo smjeli ostaviti samog.
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Once, he jumped out of our third floor apartment.
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Jednom je skočio s našeg stana na trećem katu.
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He ate fabric. He ate things, recyclables.
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Jeo je tkaninu, stvari, smeće.
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He hunted flies that didn't exist.
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Lovio je nepostojeće muhe.
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He suffered from hallucinations.
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Imao je halucinacije.
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He was diagnosed with a canine compulsive disorder
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Dijagnosticiran mu je pseći opsesivno-kompulzivni poremećaj,
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and that's really just the tip of the iceberg.
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a sve je to tek vrh ledene sante.
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But like with humans,
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Ali baš kao i s ljudima,
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sometimes it's six months in
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nekada tek nakon šest mjeseci
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before you realize that
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shvatite da
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the person that you love has some issues.
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osoba koju volite nije baš sva svoja.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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And most of us do not take the person we're dating
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I većina nas neće osobu s kojom hodamo
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back to the bar where we met them
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vratiti u bar u kojem smo je upoznali,
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or give them back to the friend that introduced us,
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ili ih vratiti prijateljima koji su nas upoznali,
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or sign them back up on Match.com.
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ili im reaktivirati korisnički račun na Iskrici.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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We love them anyway,
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Svejedno ih volimo
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and we stick to it,
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i trpimo.
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and that is what I did with my dog.
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To sam i ja učinila sa svojim psom.
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And I was a — I'd studied biology.
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I bila sam — studirala sam biologiju.
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I have a Ph.D. in history of science
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Imam doktorat znanosti
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from MIT,
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s MIT-a i da ste me
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and had you asked me 10 years ago
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prije deset godina pitali
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if a dog I loved, or just dogs generally,
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ima li pas kojeg ja volim, ili bilo koji pas,
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had emotions, I would have said yes,
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osjećaje, rekla bih da ima,
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but I'm not sure that I would have told you
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ali nisam sigurna bih vam li rekla
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that they can also wind up with an anxiety disorder,
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da i oni mogu oboljeti od anksioznog poremećaja,
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a Prozac prescription and a therapist.
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završiti na Prozacu i s terapeutom.
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But then, I fell in love, and I realized that they can,
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Ali onda sam se zaljubila i shvatila da je to moguće,
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and actually trying to help my own dog
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a moji pokušaji da mu pomognem
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overcome his panic and his anxiety,
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prebroditi paniku i anksioznost
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it just changed my life.
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promijenili su mi život.
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It cracked open my world.
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Prodrmali su cijeli moj svijet.
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And I spent the last seven years, actually,
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I tako sam zadnjih 7 godina provela proučavajući
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looking into this topic of mental illness in other animals.
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problem mentalnih bolesti i u drugih životinja.
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Can they be mentally ill like people,
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Mogu li i one mentalno
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and if so, what does it mean about us?
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oboljeti i ako je tako, što to znači za nas?
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And what I discovered is that I do believe
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Otkrila sam da uistinu vjerujem da i one
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they can suffer from mental illness,
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mogu oboljeti,
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and actually looking and trying to identify mental illness in them
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a promatranje i pokušavanje prepoznavanja njihovih mentalnih bolesti može
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often helps us be better friends to them
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nam pomoći da im budemo bolji prijatelji
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and also can help us better understand ourselves.
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i da bolje razumijemo sami sebe.
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So let's talk about diagnosis for a minute.
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Pozabavimo se nakratko dijagnozom.
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Many of us think that we can't know
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Mnogi od nas misle da ne možemo znati
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what another animal is thinking,
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o čemu druga životinja razmišlja.
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and that is true,
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To je istina,
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but any of you in relationships —
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ali svi vi koji ste u vezama —
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at least this is my case —
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barem je kod mene tako —
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just because you ask someone that you're with
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samo zato što pitate svoju bolju
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or your parent or your child how they feel
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polovicu ili roditelja ili dijete kako su,
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doesn't mean that they can tell you.
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ne znači da vam oni to mogu reći.
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They may not have words to explain
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Možda ne mogu riječima opisati
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what it is that they're feeling,
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što točno osjećaju,
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and they may not know.
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a možda i ne znaju.
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It's actually a pretty recent phenomenon
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Ovo je zapravo prilično nov fenomen,
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that we feel that we have to talk to someone
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taj osjećaj koji imamo da moramo
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to understand their emotional distress.
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razgovarati s nekim da bismo saznali što ih muči.
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Before the early 20th century,
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Prije prve polovice 20. stoljeća
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physicians often diagnosed emotional distress
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liječnici su često dijagnosticirali duševne boli
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in their patients just by observation.
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u pacijenata jednostavnim promatranjem.
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It also turns out that thinking about
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Također, čini se da rasprave o
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mental illness in other animals
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duševnim bolestima u drugih
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isn't actually that much of a stretch.
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životinja i nije tako nategnuto.
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Most mental disorders in the United States
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Najčešće duševne bolesti u SAD-u
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are fear and anxiety disorders,
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su strah i anksiozni poremećaji,
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and when you think about it, fear and anxiety
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a kad malo razmislite o tome, strah i anksioznost
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are actually really extremely helpful animal emotions.
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zapravo su iznimno korisne životinjske emocije.
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Usually we feel fear and anxiety in situations that are dangerous,
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Obično osjećamo strah i anksioznost u opasnim situacijama
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and once we feel them,
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i kad ih jednom osjetimo,
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we then are motivated to move away
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imamo nagon udaljiti se od
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from whatever is dangerous.
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te opasnosti.
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The problem is when we begin to feel fear and anxiety in situations that don't call for it.
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Problem se stvara kad osjećamo strah u situacijama u kojima on nije potreban
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Mood disorders, too, may actually just be
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Poremećaji ponašanja također mogu biti samo
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the unfortunate downside of being a feeling animal,
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loša strana osjećajnosti,
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and obsessive compulsive disorders also
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a opsesivno-kompulzivni poremećaji su također
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are often manifestations of a really healthy animal thing
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često manifestacija zdrave životinjske potrebe
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which is keeping yourself clean and groomed.
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za održavanjem čistoće i uglađenosti.
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This tips into the territory of mental illness
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O duševnoj bolesti možemo govoriti onda
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when you do things like
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kada, primjerice
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compulsively over-wash your hands or paws,
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kompulzivno pretjerujemo u pranju ruku ili šapa
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or you develop a ritual that's so extreme
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ili kad razvijete toliko ekstreman ritual
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that you can't sit down to a bowl of food
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da ne možete sjesti i jesti
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unless you engage in that ritual.
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ukoliko prije toga ne odradite taj svoj ritual.
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So for humans, we have the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual,"
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Mi ljudi imamo Dijagnostički i statistički priručnik za mentalne poremećaje
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which is basically an atlas
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koji je zapravo atlas
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of the currently agreed-upon mental disorders.
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mentalnih poremećaja o kojima trenutno postoji suglasnost.
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In other animals, we have YouTube.
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Za životinje imamo YouTube.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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This is just one search I did for "OCD dog"
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Ovo je tek jedan rezultat pretraživanja za "OKP pas",
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but I encourage all of you
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ali svima vam predlažem
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to look at "OCD cat."
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da potražite OKP-mačku.
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You will be shocked by what you see.
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Šokirat ćete se onim što vidite.
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I'm going to show you just a couple examples.
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Pokazat ću vam tek nekoliko primjera.
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This is an example of shadow-chasing.
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Ovo je primjer hvatanja sjene.
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I know, and it's funny and in some ways it's cute.
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Znam, smiješno je i nekako i slatko.
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The issue, though, is that dogs can develop compulsions like this
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Problem je u tome što psi mogu razviti kompulzivnosti poput ove
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that they then engage in all day.
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kojima se onda bave po cijele dane.
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So they won't go for a walk,
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Pa ne idu u šetnje,
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they won't hang out with their friends,
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ne druže se s prijateljima,
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they won't eat.
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ne jedu.
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They'll develop fixations
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Razviju fiksacije
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like chasing their tails compulsively.
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poput kompulzivnog hvatanja vlastitog repa.
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Here's an example of a cat named Gizmo.
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Ovo je primjer mačke imena Gizmo.
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He looks like he's on a stakeout
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Izgleda kao da je u zasjedi,
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but he does this for many, many, many hours a day.
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ali to čini puno, puno, puno sati u danu.
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He just sits there and he will paw and paw and paw
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Samo tu sjedi i šapama dira
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at the screen.
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ekran.
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This is another example of what's considered
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Ovo je još jedan primjer
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a stereotypic behavior.
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stereotipnog ponašanja.
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This is a sun bear at the Oakland Zoo named Ting Ting.
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Ovo je Ting Ting, sunčani medvjed u ZOO-u u Oaklandu.
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And if you just sort of happened upon this scene,
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Ukoliko naletite na ovakvu scenu,
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you might think that Ting Ting
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pomislili biste da se Ting Ting
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is just playing with a stick,
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samo igra štapom,
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but Ting Ting does this all day,
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ali on to radi cijeli dan,
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and if you pay close attention
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a ukoliko obratite pozornost
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and if I showed you guys the full half-hour of this clip,
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i ukoliko vam ja pokažem cijeli taj polusatni video,
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you'd see that he does the exact same thing
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vidjeli biste da stalno radi jednu te istu stvar
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in the exact same order, and he spins the stick
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istim redoslijedom i štap vrti
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in the exact same way every time.
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na jednak način svaki put.
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Other super common behaviors that you may see,
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Još jedno uobičajeno ponašanje koje možete uočiti
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particularly in captive animals,
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osobito kod životinja u zatočeništvu
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are pacing stereotypies or swaying stereotypies,
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jest stereotipno hodanje amo-tamo i njihanje,
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and actually, humans do this too,
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a to rade i ljudi.
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and in us, we'll sway,
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Mi se njišemo,
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we'll move from side to side.
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ljuljamo.
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Many of us do this, and sometimes
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Mnogi od nas to čine i ponekad to
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it's an effort to soothe ourselves,
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činimo u želji da se umirimo,
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and I think in other animals that is often the case too.
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i mislim da i druge životinje to rade upravo iz tog razloga.
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But it's not just stereotypic behaviors
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Ali životinje se ne upuštaju samo
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that other animals engage in.
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u stereotipna ponašanja.
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This is Gigi. She's a gorilla that lives
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Ovo je Gigi, ženka gorile koja živi
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at the Franklin Park Zoo in Boston.
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u Bostonu u ZOO Franklin Park.
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She actually has a Harvard psychiatrist,
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Ona čak ima harvardskog psihijatra i
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and she's been treated for a mood disorder
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između ostaloga, tretirana je protiv
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among other things.
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poremećaja ponašanja.
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Many animals develop mood disorders.
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Mnoge životinje razvijaju poremećaje raspoloženja.
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Lots of creatures —
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Mnoga stvorenja —
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this horse is just one example —
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ovaj je konj tek jedan primjer —
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develop self-destructive behaviors.
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razvijaju autodestruktivna ponašanja.
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They'll gnaw on things
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Grizu stvari
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or do other things that may also soothe them,
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ili se bave drugim umirujućim aktivnostima,
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even if they're self-destructive,
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pa čak i ako su autodestruktivne,
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which could be considered similar
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koje su slične načinima
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to the ways that some humans cut themselves.
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na koje se ljudi režu.
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Plucking.
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Čupanje.
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Turns out, if you have fur or feathers or skin,
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Ispada da ukoliko imate krzno ili perje ili pak kožu,
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you can pluck yourself compulsively,
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možete se kompulzivno čupati.
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and some parrots actually have been studied
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Neke su papige istraživane radi
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to better understand trichotillomania, or compulsive plucking in humans,
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boljeg razumijevanja trihotilomanije iliti kompulzivnog čupanja kod ljudi,
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something that affects
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nečega što trenutno muči
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20 million Americans right now.
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20 milijuna Amerikanaca.
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Lab rats pluck themselves too.
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I laboratorijski štakori se čupkaju.
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In them, it's called barbering.
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Kod njih se to zove "brijanje".
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Canine veterans of conflicts of Iraq and Afghanistan
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Pseći veterani konflikata u Iraku i Afganistanu
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are coming back with what's considered canine PTSD,
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vraćaju se s tzv. psećim PTSP-om
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and they're having a hard time reentering civilian life
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i suočavaju se s teškoćama reintegracije u civilni život kad
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when they come back from deployments.
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se vrate s ratišta.
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They can be too scared to approach men with beards
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Pretjerano se boje prilaženja bradatog čovjeka
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or to hop into cars.
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ili uskakanja u automobile.
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I want to be careful and be clear, though.
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Želim da nešto bude jasno.
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I do not think that canine PTSD
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Ne mislim da je pseći PTSP
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is the same as human PTSD.
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isto što i ljudski PTSP.
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But I also do not think that my PTSD
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Ali isto tako, ne mislim da je moj PTSP
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is like your PTSD,
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poput vašeg.
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or that my anxiety or that my sadness is like yours.
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Ili da je moja anksioznost ili tuga poput vaše.
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We are all different.
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Svi smo različiti.
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We also all have very different susceptibilities.
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Također, nismo jednako osjetljivi.
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So two dogs, raised in the same household,
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Tako da kod dva psa odgojena u istom domaćinstvu,
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exposed to the very same things,
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izložena istim stvarima,
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one may develop, say, a debilitating fear of motorcycles,
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jedan može razviti, primjerice snažan strah prema motorima
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or a phobia of the beep of the microwave,
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ili fobiju od zvona mikrovalne pećnice,
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and another one is going to be just fine.
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a drugi može biti sasvim zdrav.
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So one thing that people ask me pretty frequently:
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Ljudi me često pitaju:
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Is this just an instance of humans
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jesu li ljudi ti koji
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driving other animals crazy?
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izluđuju životinje?
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Or, is animal mental illness just a result of mistreatment or abuse?
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Ili je životinjska duševna bolest tek rezultat lošeg tretmana i zlostavljanja?
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And it turns out we're actually
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I ispada da smo mi zapravo
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so much more complicated than that.
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puno kompliciraniji.
08:03
So one great thing that has happened to me
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Dogodila mi se jedna sjajna stvar.
08:06
is recently I published a book on this,
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Nedavno sam objavila knjigu o ovome
08:09
and every day now that I open my email
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i sada svaki dan kad provjeravam e-mail,
08:13
or when I go to a reading
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ili idem na čitanje
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or even when I go to a cocktail party,
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ili čak i na tulum,
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people tell me their stories
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ljudi mi pričaju svoje priče
08:18
of the animals that they have met.
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o životinjama koje su upoznali.
08:20
And recently, I did a reading in California,
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Nedavno sam imala čitanje u Kaliforniji.
08:23
and a woman raised her hand after the talk and she said,
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i kada sam završila, j edna je žena podigla ruku i rekla:
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"Dr. Braitman, I think my cat has PTSD."
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"Dr. Braitman, mislim da moja mačka ima PTSP."
08:29
And I said, "Well, why? Tell me a little bit about it."
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Rekoh: "Zašto? Recite mi malo o tome."
08:32
So, Ping is her cat. She was a rescue,
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Ping je udomljena mačka
08:35
and she used to live with an elderly man,
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koja je nekoć živjela sa starijim čovjekom
08:38
and one day the man was vacuuming
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i jednog dana on je usisavao,
08:40
and he suffered a heart attack, and he died.
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doživio srčani udar i umro.
08:43
A week later, Ping was discovered in the apartment
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Tjedan dana kasnije, Ping su pronašli u stanu
08:46
alongside the body of her owner,
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pored tijela njenog vlasnika,
08:48
and the vacuum had been running the entire time.
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a usisavač je radio cijelo vrijeme.
08:52
For many months, up to I think two years after that incident,
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Mjesecima, a i otprilike dvije godine nakon tog incidenta,
08:57
she was so scared she couldn't be in the house when anyone was cleaning.
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toliko se bojala da nije mogla biti u kući kad se u njoj čistilo.
08:59
She was quite literally a scaredy cat.
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To je doslovno bila plašljiva maca.
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She would hide in the closet.
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Skrivala se u ormar.
09:04
She was un-self-confident and shaky,
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Bila je nesamouvjerena i tresla se,
09:05
but with the loving support of her family,
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ali uz brižnu potporu obitelji,
09:08
a lot of a time, and their patience,
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puno vremena i strpljenja,
09:10
now, three years later,
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sada, tri godine kasnije
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she's actually a happy, confident cat.
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ona je sretna, samouvjerena maca.
09:15
Another story of trauma and recovery that I came across
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Još jedna priča o traumi i oporavku na koju sam naletjela
09:18
was actually a few years ago.
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prije nekoliko godina.
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I was in Thailand to do some research.
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Istraživala sam na Tajlandu.
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I met a monkey named Boonlua,
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Upoznala sam majmuna Boonlua.
09:25
and when Boonlua was a baby,
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Kad je Boonlua bio tek beba,
09:27
he was attacked by a pack of dogs,
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napao ga je čopor pasa
09:29
and they ripped off both of his legs and one arm,
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i otkinuli su mu obje noge i jednu ruku.
09:34
and Boonlua dragged himself to a monastery,
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Boonlua se odvukao do samostana
09:37
where the monks took him in.
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gdje su ga primili redovnici.
09:38
They called in a veterinarian, who treated his wounds.
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Pozvali su veterinara koji mu je zaliječio rane.
09:41
Eventually, Boonlua wound up
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Na kraju je Boonlua završio u
09:43
at an elephant facility,
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centru za slonove
09:45
and the keepers really decided to take him under their wing,
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i čuvari su odlučili uzeti ga pod svoje okrilje,
09:48
and they figured out what he liked,
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shvatili su što voli,
09:49
which, it turned out, was mint Mentos
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a to su bili Mentos bomboni,
09:51
and Rhinoceros beetles and eggs.
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jelenak i jaja.
09:55
But they worried, because he was social, that he was lonely,
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No brinuli su se jer je bio društven, da bi mogao biti usamljen,
09:58
and they didn't want to put him in with another monkey,
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a nisu ga htjeli staviti s drugim majmunom
10:00
because they thought with just one arm,
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jer su mislili da se s jednom rukom
10:01
he wouldn't be able to defend himself or even play.
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ne bi mogao ni braniti ni igrati.
10:04
And so they gave him a rabbit,
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Stoga su mu dali zeca
10:06
and Boonlua was immediately a different monkey.
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i Boonlua je odmah postao sasvim drugi majmunčić.
10:09
He was extremely happy to be with this rabbit.
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Jako se volio družiti s ovim zecom.
10:11
They groomed each other, they become close friends,
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Međusobno su se timarili i postali dobri prijatelji,
10:13
and then the rabbit had bunnies,
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i onda je zec dobio zečiće
10:16
and Boonlua was even happier than he was before,
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i Boonlua je postao još sretniji,
10:19
and it had in a way given him
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i to mu je dalo
10:21
a reason to wake up in the morning,
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razlog da se ujutro budi
10:23
and in fact it gave him such a reason to wake up
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i zapravo mu je to dalo toliko razloga da se
10:25
that he decided not to sleep.
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budi da je odlučio ne spavati.
10:27
He became extremely protective of these bunnies,
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Postao je krajnje zaštitnički nastrojen prema zečićima,
10:30
and he stopped sleeping,
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prestao je spavati,
10:32
and he would sort of nod off
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i znao je zadrijemati dok se
10:33
while trying to take care of them.
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pokušavao brinuti za njih.
10:35
In fact, he was so protective and so affectionate
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Bio je toliko zaštitnički nastrojen i nježan
10:37
with these babies that the sanctuary
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da mu je sklonište na kraju moralo
10:39
eventually had to take them away from him
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oduzeti zečiće jer je bio
10:41
because he was so protective, he was worried
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toliko zaštitnički nastrojen da se
10:43
that their mother might hurt them.
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bojao da će im njihova majka nauditi.
10:45
So after they were taken away, the sanctuary staff
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Nakon što su ih oduzeli, osoblje
10:47
worried that he would fall into a depression,
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se brinulo da će pasti u depresiju
10:49
and so to avoid that,
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i kako bi to izbjegli,
10:50
they gave him another rabbit friend.
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dali su mu drugog zeca.
10:53
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:56
My official opinion is that he does not look depressed.
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Moje službeno mišljenje glasi: ne izgleda depresivno.
10:59
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:01
So one thing that I would really like people to feel
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Želim da se ljudi
11:05
is that you really should feel empowered
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uistinu osjećaju
11:08
to make some assumptions
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sposobno praviti pretpostavke
11:11
about the creatures that you know well.
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o stvorenjima koje dobro poznaju.
11:13
So when it comes to your dog
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Bilo da se radi o vašem psu,
11:14
or your cat or maybe your one-armed monkey
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mački ili jednorukom majmunu
11:17
that you happen to know,
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kojeg poznajete,
11:18
if you think that they are traumatized or depressed,
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ukoliko mislite da su traumatizirani ili depresivni,
11:22
you're probably right.
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vjerojatno ste u pravu.
11:24
This is extremely anthropomorphic,
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Ovo je krajnje antropomorfno,
11:27
or the assignation of human characteristics
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odnosno pridaju se ljudske osobine
11:30
onto non-human animals or things.
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nečovjekolikim životinjama ili stvarima.
11:34
I don't think, though, that that's a problem.
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Ja mislim da to nije problem.
11:36
I don't think that we can not anthropomorphize.
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Mislim da ne možemo ne antropomorfizirati.
11:38
It's not as if you can take your human brain out of your head
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Nije da možemo uzeti svoj ljudski mozak iz glave
11:41
and put it in a jar and then use it
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i pohraniti ga u staklenku i koristiti ga
11:43
to think about another animal thinking.
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da razmišljamo o razmišljanju druge životinje.
11:45
We will always be one animal wondering
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Uvijek ćemo biti jedna životinja koja se pita
11:48
about the emotional experience of another animal.
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o emocionalnim iskustvima druge životinje.
11:50
So then the choice becomes, how do you anthropomorphize well?
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Kako dobro antropomorfizirati?
11:53
Or do you anthropomorphize poorly?
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Ili loše?
11:55
And anthropomorphizing poorly
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A loše antropomorfiziranje jako
11:58
is all too common.
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je često.
12:00
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
12:02
It may include dressing your corgis up and throwing them a wedding,
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Može uključivati kostimiranje korgija za vjenčanje
12:04
or getting too close to exotic wildlife because
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ili pretjerano približavanje divljim životinjama s kojima
12:07
you believe that you had a spiritual connection.
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mislite da ste duhovno povezani.
12:09
There's all manner of things.
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Ima svakakvih stvari.
12:11
Anthropomorphizing well, however, I believe is based
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Vjerujem da se dobro antropomorfiziranje temelji na
12:15
on accepting our animal similarities with other species
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prihvaćanju naših životinjskih sličnosti s drugim vrstama
12:17
and using them to make assumptions
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i njihova upotreba u stvaranju informiranih pretpostavki o
12:20
that are informed about other animals' minds and experiences,
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umovima drugih životinja i njihovim iskustvima.
12:24
and there's actually an entire industry
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Postoji cijela industrija
12:26
that is in some ways based on anthropomorphizing well,
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utemeljena na dobrom antropomorfiziranju,
12:29
and that is the psychopharmaceutical industry.
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a to je psihofarmaceutska industrija.
12:32
One in five Americans is currently taking a psychopharmaceutical drug,
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Svaki peti Amerikanac trenutno koristi neki psihoaktivni lijek,
12:37
from the antidepressants and antianxiety medications
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od antidepresiva, lijekova protiv anksioznosti
12:40
to the antipsychotics.
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pa sve do antipsihotika.
12:41
It turns out that we owe this
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Ispada da za cijeli ovaj
12:43
entire psychopharmaceutical arsenal
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arsenal psihoaktivnih lijekova možemo
12:46
to other animals.
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zahvaliti drugim životinjama.
12:47
These drugs were tested in non-human animals first,
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Ovi su lijekovi najprije testirani na nečovjekolikim životinjama,
12:50
and not just for toxicity but for behavioral effects.
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i to ne samo na toksičnost već i na posljedice u ponašanju.
12:54
The very popular antipsychotic Thorazine
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Popularan antipsihotik Thorazine
12:57
first relaxed rats before it relaxed people.
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opuštao je štakore prije no što su ljudi došli na red.
13:01
The antianxiety medication Librium
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Librium, lijek protiv anksioznosti,
13:03
was given to cats selected for their meanness in the 1950s
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u 50-ima je davan mačkama izabranima po kriteriju "zloće"
13:07
and made them into peaceable felines.
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kako bi ih pretvorio u miroljubive mace.
13:09
And even antidepressants were first tested in rabbits.
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Čak su i antidepresivi najprije testirani na zečevima.
13:14
Today, however, we are not just giving these drugs
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Kako bilo, u današnje vrijeme ove lijekove ne dajemo
13:17
to other animals as test subjects,
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drugim životinjama samo radi testiranja
13:19
but they're giving them these drugs as patients,
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već i radi njihova liječenja,
13:21
both in ethical and much less ethical ways.
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i na etičke i na neetičke načine.
13:26
SeaWorld gives mother orcas antianxiety medications
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SeaWorld daje majkama orkama lijekove protiv anksioznosti
13:30
when their calves are taken away.
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kada im odvode mlade.
13:32
Many zoo gorillas have been given antipsychotics
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Mnogim se gorilama u ZOO-u daju antipsihotici
13:35
and antianxiety medications.
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i lijekovi protiv anksioznosti.
13:37
But dogs like my own Oliver
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Ali psima poput mog Olivera
13:40
are given antidepressants and some antianxiety medications
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daju se antidepresivi i neki lijekovi protiv anksioznosti
13:43
to keep them from jumping out of buildings
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kako ne bi skakali sa zgrada ili
13:45
or jumping into traffic.
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u promet.
13:47
Just recently, actually, a study came out in "Science"
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Nedavno je u časopisu "Science" izašla studija koja je pokazala
13:50
that showed that even crawdads
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da lijekovi protiv anksioznosti
13:52
responded to antianxiety medication.
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djeluju čak i na slatkovodne rakove.
13:54
It made them braver, less skittish,
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Od njih su bili hrabriji, manje ćudljivi i
13:56
and more likely to explore their environment.
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skloniji istraživanju okoliša.
14:01
It's hard to know how many animals are on these drugs,
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Teško je znati koliko je životinja na ovim lijekovima,
14:04
but I can tell you that the animal pharmaceutical industry
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ali mogu vam reći da je životinjska farmaceutska industrija
14:07
is immense and growing,
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ogromna i u porastu,
14:09
from seven billion dollars in 2011
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od 7 milijardi dolara u 2011. g.
14:12
to a projected 9.25 billion by the year 2015.
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do projiciranih 9.25 milijardi do kraja 2015. godine.
14:17
Some animals are on these drugs indefinitely.
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Neke su životinje na ovim lijekovima na neodređeno.
14:21
Others, like one bonobo who lives in Milwaukee
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Druge, poput jedne patuljaste čimpanze iz ZOO-a u Milwaukeeu
14:25
at the zoo there was on them
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bio je na njima sve dok
14:27
until he started to save his Paxil prescription
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nije počeo čuvati svoje tabletice Paxila
14:29
and then distribute it among the other bonobos.
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i dijeliti ih drugim patuljastim čimpanzama.
14:31
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(Smijeh) (Pljesak)
14:36
More than psychopharmaceuticals, though,
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Osim psihofarmaceutika
14:39
there are many, many, many other
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postoje i mnoge, mnoge, mnoge druge
14:42
therapeutic interventions that help other creatures.
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terapeutske intervencije koje pomažu drugim životinjama.
14:44
And here is a place where I think actually
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Mislim da je baš to ono
14:47
that veterinary medicine can teach something
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čemu veterinarska medicina
14:49
to human medicine,
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može poučiti onu ljudsku,
14:51
which is, if you take your dog, who is, say,
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ukoliko odvedemo psa koji
14:53
compulsively chasing his tail,
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kompulzivno hvata vlastiti rep
14:55
into the veterinary behaviorist,
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kod veterinarskog biheviorista,
14:56
their first action isn't to reach for the prescription pad;
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oni se neće odmah uhvatiti pisanja recepta,
14:59
it's to ask you about your dog's life.
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nego će pitati o životu vašeg psa.
15:02
They want to know how often your dog gets outside.
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Zanimat će ih koliko često izlazi van.
15:05
They want to know how much exercise your dog is getting.
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Ili koliko vježba.
15:08
They want to know how much social time
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Ili koliko se druži
15:09
with other dogs and other humans.
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s drugim psima i ljudima.
15:12
They want to talk to you about what sorts of therapies,
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Zanimat će ih kakve ste vrste terapija,
15:14
largely behavior therapies,
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uglavnom bihevioralnih terapija,
15:16
you've tried with that animal.
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isprobali na njemu.
15:19
Those are the things that often tend to help the most,
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To su stvari koje su od najveće pomoći,
15:21
especially when combined with psychopharmaceuticals.
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pogotovo kada se kombiniraju sa psihofarmaceuticima.
15:24
The thing, though, I believe, that helps the most,
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Ono što ja mislim da najviše pomaže
15:27
particularly with social animals,
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pogotovo društvenim životinjama,
15:29
is time with other social animals.
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jest druženje s drugim društvenim životinjama.
15:32
In many ways, I feel like I became a service animal
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Osjećam se kao da sam postala uslužna životinja
15:36
to my own dog,
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vlastitom psu.
15:38
and I have seen parrots do it for people
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Vidjela sam papige koje to rade za ljude
15:42
and people do it for parrots
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i ljude koji to rade za papige.
15:44
and dogs do it for elephants
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Psi za slonove
15:46
and elephants do it for other elephants.
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i slonovi za druge slonove.
15:49
I don't know about you;
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Ne znam za vas, ali meni
15:50
I get a lot of Internet forwards
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često prosljeđuju internetske stranice
15:53
of unlikely animal friendships.
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neobičnih životinjskih prijateljstava.
15:55
I also think it's a huge part of Facebook,
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Mislim da je za to uvelike zaslužan Facebook,
15:58
the monkey that adopts the cat
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majmun koji usvaja mačku,
16:01
or the great dane who adopted the orphaned fawn,
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doga koja usvaja siroto lane,
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or the cow that makes friends with the pig,
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krava koja se sprijateljila sa svinjom.
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and had you asked me eight, nine years ago, about these,
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Da ste me pitali prije osam-devet godina što mislim o tome,
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I would have told you that they were hopelessly sentimental
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rekla bih vam da su to pretjerano sentimentalni
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and maybe too anthropomorphic in the wrong way
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i možda čak i na loš način preantropomorfizirani primjeri,
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and maybe even staged, and what I can tell you now
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a možda čak i iscenirani, a ono što vam sada mogu reći
16:21
is that there is actually something to this.
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jest da ima nešto u ovome.
16:24
This is legit. In fact, some interesting studies
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Ovo je stvarno. Štoviše, neke zanimljive studije
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have pointed to oxytocin levels,
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ističu razine oksitocina.
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which are a kind of bonding hormone
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To je vrsta "vezivnog hormona" koji
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that we release when we're having sex or nursing
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otpuštamo za vrijeme spolne aktivnosti ili dojenja
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or around someone that we care for extremely,
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ili u blizini nekoga do koga nam je iznimno stalo.
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oxytocin levels raising in both humans and dogs
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Razine oksitocina povećavaju se i kod ljudi i kod
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who care about each other
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pasa koji brinu jedno o drugom
16:41
or who enjoy each other's company,
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ili uživaju u njihovu društvu.
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and beyond that, other studies show that oxytocin
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Druge studije pokazuju da se razine oksitocina
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raised even in other pairs of animals,
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povećavaju i u drugih životinjskih parova.
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so, say, in goats and dogs who were friends and played with each other,
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Primjerice, kod koza i pasa koji su bili prijatelji i koji su se zajedno igrali,
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their levels spiked afterwards.
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nakon toga razine su im naglo porasle.
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I have a friend who really showed me that
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Imam prijatelja koji mi je uistinu pokazao
16:58
mental health is in fact a two-way street.
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da je mentalno zdravlje uistinu dvosmjerna ulica.
17:00
His name is Lonnie Hodge, and he's a veteran of Vietnam.
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Ime mu je Lonnie Hodge i on je vijetnamski veteran.
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When he returned, he started working
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Kad se vratio, počeo je raditi
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with survivors of genocide and a lot of people
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s osobama koje su preživjele genocid i s onima
17:10
who had gone through war trauma.
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koji su doživjeli ratne traume.
17:11
And he had PTSD and also a fear of heights,
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Imao je PTSP i strah od visina jer se
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because in Vietnam, he had been
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u Vijetnamu unatraške spuštao
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rappelling backwards out of helicopters
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iz helikoptera,
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over the skids,
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preko skija za slijetanje.
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and he was givena service dog named Gander, a labradoodle,
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Dobio je Gandera, psa pomagača, križanca pudlice i labradora,
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to help him with PTSD and his fear of heights.
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da mu pomogne nositi se s PTSP-om i strahom od visina.
17:26
This is them actually on the first day that they met,
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Ovo je s dana njihovog prvog susreta,
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which is amazing, and since then,
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što je divno, i od tada su
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they've spent a lot of time together
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proveli puno vremena skupa
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visiting with other veterans suffering from similar issues.
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posjećujući druge veterane koji pate od sličnih problema.
17:37
But what's so interesting to me about Lonnie and Gander's relationship
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Ono što je meni posebno zanimljivo kod njihovog odnosa
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is about a few months in,
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jest to što je nakon nekoliko mjeseci
17:42
Gander actually developed a fear of heights,
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Gander razvio strah od visina,
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probably because he was watching Lonnie so closely.
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vjerojatno zato što je tako pomno promatrao Lonnija.
17:49
What's pretty great about this, though, is that he's still a fantastic service dog,
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Odlično je to što je on još uvijek sjajan pas pomagač
17:53
because now, when they're both at a great height,
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jer sada kada se oboje nađu na velikim visinama,
17:55
Lonnie is so concerned with Gander's well-being
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Lonnie je toliko zabrinut za Gandera da
17:59
that he forgets to be scared of the heights himself.
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zaboravi na vlastiti strah.
18:05
Since I've spent so much time with these stories,
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Budući da sam toliko vremena provela među ovim pričama,
18:08
digging into archives,
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kopajući po arhivima,
18:10
I literally spent years doing this research,
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doslovno sam provela godine na ovom istraživanju,
18:12
and it's changed me.
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to me je promijenilo.
18:14
I no longer look at animals at the species level.
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Na životinje više ne gledam kao na vrstu.
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I look at them as individuals,
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Na njih gledam kao na pojedince,
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and I think about them as creatures
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a o njima razmišljam kao o bićima
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with their own individual weather systems
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s njihovim vlastitim vremenskim sustavima koji upravlja
18:25
guiding their behavior and informing
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njihovim ponašanjem i informira
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how they respond to the world.
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o tome kako odgovaraju na svijet.
18:29
And I really believe that this has made me
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Uistinu vjerujem da me je to učinilo
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a more curious and a more empathetic person,
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znatiželjnijom i empatičnijom osobom,
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both to the animals that share my bed
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i prema životinjama koje spavaju u mom krevetu
18:37
and occasionally wind up on my plate,
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i povremeno mi skaču u tanjur,
18:40
but also to the people that I know
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i prema ljudima za koje znam da
18:42
who are suffering from anxiety
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pate od anksioznosti
18:45
and from phobias and all manner of other things,
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i fobija i drugih stvari.
18:48
and I really do believe that
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Uistinu vjerujem da
18:50
even though you can't know exactly
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iako ne možemo znati što se točno
18:52
what's going on in the mind of a pig
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mota glavom svinje ili
18:56
or your pug or your partner,
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mopsa ili vašeg partnera,
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that that shouldn't stop you from empathizing with them.
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to vas ne bi trebalo omesti u suosjećanju s njima.
19:02
The best thing that we could do for our loved ones
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Najbolja stvar koju možemo napraviti za svoje
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is, perhaps, to anthropomorphize them.
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voljene možda je da ih antropomorfiziramo.
19:08
Charles Darwin's father once told him
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Darwinov otac jednom mu je rekao
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that everybody could lose their mind at some point.
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da svatko može izgubiti razum u određenom trenutku.
19:17
Thankfully, we can often find them again,
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Srećom, često ga možemo ponovno pronaći,
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but only with each other's help.
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ali samo uz tuđu pomoć.
19:22
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
19:24
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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