Ivan Krastev: Can democracy exist without trust?

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I'm afraid I'm one of those speakers
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you hope you're not going to meet at TED.
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First, I don't have a mobile,
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so I'm on the safe side.
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Secondly, a political theorist
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who's going to talk about the crisis of democracy
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is probably not the most exciting topic you can think about.
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And plus, I'm not going to give you any answers.
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I'm much more trying to add to some of the questions we're talking about.
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And one of the things that I want to question
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is this very popular hope these days
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that transparency and openness
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can restore the trust in democratic institutions.
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There is one more reason for you to be suspicious about me.
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You people, the Church of TED, are a very optimistic community.
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(Laughter)
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Basically you believe in complexity, but not in ambiguity.
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As you have been told, I'm Bulgarian.
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And according to the surveys,
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we are marked the most pessimistic people in the world.
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(Laughter)
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The Economist magazine recently wrote an article
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covering one of the recent studies on happiness,
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and the title was "The Happy, the Unhappy and the Bulgarians."
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(Laughter)
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So now when you know what to expect,
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let's give you the story.
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And this is a rainy election day in a small country --
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that can be my country, but could be also your country.
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And because of the rain until four o'clock in the afternoon,
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nobody went to the polling stations.
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But then the rain stopped,
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people went to vote.
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And when the votes had been counted,
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three-fourths of the people have voted with a blank ballot.
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The government and the opposition,
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they have been simply paralyzed.
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Because you know what to do about the protests.
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You know who to arrest, who to negotiate with.
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But what to do about people who are voting with a blank ballot?
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So the government decided to have the elections once again.
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And this time even a greater number,
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83 percent of the people, voted with blank ballots.
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Basically they went to the ballot boxes
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to tell that they have nobody to vote for.
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This is the opening of a beautiful novel by Jose Saramago
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called "Seeing."
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But in my view it very well captures
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part of the problem that we have with democracy in Europe these days.
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On one level nobody's questioning
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that democracy is the best form of government.
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Democracy is the only game in town.
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The problem is that many people start to believe
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that it is not a game worth playing.
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For the last 30 years, political scientists have observed
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that there is a constant decline in electoral turnout,
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and the people who are least interested to vote
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are the people whom you expect are going to gain most out of voting.
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I mean the unemployed, the under-privileged.
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And this is a major issue.
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Because especially now with the economic crisis,
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you can see that the trust in politics,
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that the trust in democratic institutions,
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was really destroyed.
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According to the latest survey being done by the European Commission,
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89 percent of the citizens of Europe believe that there is a growing gap
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between the opinion of the policy-makers and the opinion of the public.
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Only 18 percent of Italians and 15 percent of Greeks
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believe that their vote matters.
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Basically people start to understand that they can change governments,
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but they cannot change policies.
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And the question which I want to ask is the following:
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How did it happen that we are living in societies
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which are much freer than ever before --
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we have more rights, we can travel easier,
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we have access to more information --
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at the same time that trust in our democratic institutions
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basically has collapsed?
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So basically I want to ask:
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What went right and what went wrong in these 50 years
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when we talk about democracy?
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And I'll start with what went right.
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And the first thing that went right was, of course,
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these five revolutions which, in my view,
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very much changed the way we're living and deepened our democratic experience.
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And the first was the cultural and social revolution of 1968 and 1970s,
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which put the individual at the center of politics.
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It was the human rights moment.
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Basically this was also a major outbreak, a culture of dissent,
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a culture of basically non-conformism,
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which was not known before.
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So I do believe that even things like that
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are very much the children of '68 --
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nevertheless that most of us had been even not born then.
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But after that you have the market revolution of the 1980s.
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And nevertheless that many people on the left try to hate it,
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the truth is that it was very much the market revolution that sent the message:
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"The government does not know better."
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And you have more choice-driven societies.
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And of course, you have 1989 -- the end of Communism, the end of the Cold War.
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And it was the birth of the global world.
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And you have the Internet.
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And this is not the audience to which I'm going to preach
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to what extent the Internet empowered people.
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It has changed the way we are communicating
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and basically we are viewing politics.
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The very idea of political community totally has changed.
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And I'm going to name one more revolution,
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and this is the revolution in brain sciences,
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which totally changed the way
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we understand how people are making decisions.
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So this is what went right.
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But if we're going to see what went wrong,
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we're going to end up with the same five revolutions.
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Because first you have the 1960s and 1970s,
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cultural and social revolution,
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which in a certain way destroyed the idea of a collective purpose.
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The very idea, all these collective nouns that we have been taught about --
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nation, class, family.
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We start to like divorcing, if we're married at all.
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All this was very much under attack.
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And it is so difficult to engage people in politics
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when they believe that what really matters
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is where they personally stand.
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And you have the market revolution of the 1980s
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and the huge increase of inequality in societies.
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Remember, until the 1970s,
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the spread of democracy has always been accompanied
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by the decline of inequality.
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The more democratic our societies have been,
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the more equal they have been becoming.
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Now we have the reverse tendency.
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The spread of democracy now is very much accompanied
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by the increase in inequality.
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And I find this very much disturbing
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when we're talking about what's going on right and wrong
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with democracy these days.
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And if you go to 1989 --
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something that basically you don't expect that anybody's going to criticize --
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but many are going to tell you, "Listen, it was the end of the Cold War
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that tore the social contract between the elites and the people in Western Europe."
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When the Soviet Union was still there,
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the rich and the powerful, they needed the people,
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because they feared them.
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Now the elites basically have been liberated.
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They're very mobile. You cannot tax them.
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And basically they don't fear the people.
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So as a result of it, you have this very strange situation
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in which the elites basically got out of the control of the voters.
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So this is not by accident
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that the voters are not interested to vote anymore.
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And when we talk about the Internet,
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yes, it's true, the Internet connected all of us,
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but we also know that the Internet created these echo chambers and political ghettos
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in which for all your life you can stay with the political community you belong to.
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And it's becoming more and more difficult
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to understand the people who are not like you.
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I know that many people here
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have been splendidly speaking about the digital world and the possibility for cooperation,
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but [have you] seen what the digital world has done to American politics these days?
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This is also partly a result of the Internet revolution.
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This is the other side of the things that we like.
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And when you go to the brain sciences,
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what political consultants learned from the brain scientists
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is don't talk to me about ideas anymore,
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don't talk to me about policy programs.
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What really matters is basically to manipulate the emotions of the people.
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And you have this very strongly
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to the extent that, even if you see when we talk about revolutions these days,
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these revolutions are not named anymore around ideologies or ideas.
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Before, revolutions used to have ideological names.
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They could be communist, they could be liberal,
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they could be fascist or Islamic.
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Now the revolutions are called under the medium which is most used.
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You have Facebook revolutions, Twitter revolutions.
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The content doesn't matter anymore, the problem is the media.
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I'm saying this because one of my major points
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is what went right is also what went wrong.
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And when we're now trying to see how we can change the situation,
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when basically we're trying to see what can be done about democracy,
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we should keep this ambiguity in mind.
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Because probably some of the things that we love most
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are going to be also the things that can hurt us most.
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These days it's very popular to believe
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that this push for transparency,
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this kind of a combination between active citizens, new technologies
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and much more transparency-friendly legislation
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can restore trust in politics.
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You believe that when you have these new technologies and people who are ready to use this,
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it can make it much more difficult for the governments to lie,
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it's going to be more difficult for them to steal
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and probably even going to be more difficult for them to kill.
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This is probably true.
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But I do believe that we should be also very clear
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that now when we put the transparency at the center of politics
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where the message is, "It's transparency, stupid."
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Transparency is not about restoring trust in institutions.
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Transparency is politics' management of mistrust.
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We are assuming that our societies are going to be based on mistrust.
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And by the way, mistrust was always very important for democracy.
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This is why you have checks and balances.
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This is why basically you have all this creative mistrust
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between the representatives and those whom they represent.
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But when politics is only management of mistrust,
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then -- I'm very glad that "1984" has been mentioned --
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now we're going to have "1984" in reverse.
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It's not going to be the Big Brother watching you,
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it's going to be we being the Big Brother
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watching the political class.
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But is this the idea of a free society?
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For example, can you imagine
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that decent, civic, talented people are going to run for office
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if they really do believe
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that politics is also about managing mistrust?
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Are you not afraid with all these technologies
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that are going to track down
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any statement the politicians are going to make on certain issues,
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are you not afraid that this is going to be a very strong signal to politicians
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to repeat their positions, even the very wrong positions,
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because consistency is going to be more important than common sense?
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And the Americans who are in the room,
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are you not afraid that your presidents are going to govern
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on the basis of what they said in the primary elections?
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I find this extremely important,
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because democracy is about people changing their views
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based on rational arguments and discussions.
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And we can lose this with the very noble idea
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to keep people accountable
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for showing the people that we're not going to tolerate
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politicians the opportunism in politics.
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So for me this is extremely important.
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And I do believe that when we're discussing politics these days,
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probably it makes sense
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to look also at this type of a story.
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But also don't forget, any unveiling is also veiling.
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[Regardless of] how transparent our governments want to be,
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they're going to be selectively transparent.
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In a small country that could be my country,
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but could be also your country,
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they took a decision -- it is a real case story --
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that all of the governmental decisions,
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discussions of the council of ministers,
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were going to be published on the Internet
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24 hours after the council discussions took place.
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And the public was extremely all for it.
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So I had the opportunity to talk to the prime minister,
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why he made this decision.
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He said, "Listen, this is the best way
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to keep the mouths of my ministers closed.
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Because it's going to be very difficult for them to dissent
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knowing that 24 hours after
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this is going to be on the public space,
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and this is in a certain way going to be a political crisis."
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So when we talk about transparency,
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when we talk about openness,
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I really do believe that what we should keep in mind
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is that what went right is what went wrong.
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And this is Goethe, who is neither Bulgarian nor a political scientist,
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some centuries ago he said,
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"There is a big shadow where there is much light."
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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