Lessons from death row inmates | David R. Dow

2,776,672 views ใƒป 2012-06-18

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:00
Translator: Jenny Zurawell Reviewer: Thu-Huong Ha
0
0
7000
00:16
Two weeks ago,
1
16420
1376
00:17
I was sitting at the kitchen table with my wife Katya,
2
17820
5376
00:23
and we were talking about what I was going to talk about today.
3
23220
3760
00:28
We have an 11-year-old son; his name is Lincoln.
4
28300
2656
00:30
He was sitting at the same table, doing his math homework.
5
30980
3480
00:35
And during a pause in my conversation with Katya,
6
35500
3576
00:39
I looked over at Lincoln
7
39100
1736
00:40
and I was suddenly thunderstruck
8
40860
2960
00:44
by a recollection of a client of mine.
9
44900
2834
00:48
My client was a guy named Will.
10
48340
2776
00:51
He was from North Texas.
11
51140
2449
00:54
He never knew his father very well,
12
54180
1736
00:55
because his father left his mom while she was pregnant with him.
13
55940
4680
01:01
And so, he was destined to be raised by a single mom,
14
61780
4176
01:05
which might have been all right
15
65980
1477
01:07
except that this particular single mom was a paranoid schizophrenic,
16
67481
4680
01:13
and when Will was five years old,
17
73100
2936
01:16
she tried to kill him with a butcher knife.
18
76060
2000
01:19
She was taken away by authorities and placed in a psychiatric hospital,
19
79540
5056
01:24
and so for the next several years Will lived with his older brother,
20
84620
3256
01:27
until he committed suicide by shooting himself through the heart.
21
87900
3080
01:32
And after that Will bounced around from one family member to another,
22
92340
4816
01:37
until, by the time he was nine years old, he was essentially living on his own.
23
97180
3720
01:42
That morning that I was sitting with Katya and Lincoln,
24
102220
2616
01:44
I looked at my son, and I realized that when my client, Will, was his age,
25
104860
6880
01:52
he'd been living by himself for two years.
26
112740
2160
01:56
Will eventually joined a gang
27
116900
2336
01:59
and committed a number of very serious crimes,
28
119260
4376
02:03
including, most seriously of all,
29
123660
2280
02:07
a horrible, tragic murder.
30
127020
1640
02:10
And Will was ultimately executed as punishment for that crime.
31
130700
5320
02:17
But I don't want to talk today about the morality of capital punishment.
32
137860
5855
02:23
I certainly think that my client shouldn't have been executed,
33
143739
3857
02:27
but what I would like to do today instead
34
147620
2896
02:30
is talk about the death penalty in a way I've never done before,
35
150540
5056
02:35
in a way that is entirely noncontroversial.
36
155620
4000
02:40
I think that's possible,
37
160860
1656
02:42
because there is a corner of the death penalty debate --
38
162540
4216
02:46
maybe the most important corner --
39
166780
2296
02:49
where everybody agrees,
40
169100
2736
02:51
where the most ardent death penalty supporters
41
171860
4256
02:56
and the most vociferous abolitionists are on exactly the same page.
42
176140
5400
03:02
That's the corner I want to explore.
43
182780
2280
03:06
Before I do that, though, I want to spend a couple of minutes
44
186500
2896
03:09
telling you how a death penalty case unfolds,
45
189420
3576
03:13
and then I want to tell you two lessons
46
193020
2176
03:15
that I have learned over the last 20 years as a death penalty lawyer
47
195220
5056
03:20
from watching well more than a hundred cases unfold in this way.
48
200300
3960
03:25
You can think of a death penalty case as a story that has four chapters.
49
205940
4680
03:31
The first chapter of every case is exactly the same, and it is tragic.
50
211220
4502
03:36
It begins with the murder of an innocent human being,
51
216300
3896
03:40
and it's followed by a trial
52
220220
1736
03:41
where the murderer is convicted and sent to death row,
53
221980
2976
03:44
and that death sentence is ultimately upheld by the state appellate court.
54
224980
3640
03:49
The second chapter consists of a complicated legal proceeding
55
229900
2896
03:52
known as a state habeas corpus appeal.
56
232820
2840
03:56
The third chapter is an even more complicated legal proceeding
57
236460
2936
03:59
known as a federal habeas corpus proceeding.
58
239420
2496
04:01
And the fourth chapter is one where a variety of things can happen.
59
241940
3816
04:05
The lawyers might file a clemency petition,
60
245780
2496
04:08
they might initiate even more complex litigation,
61
248300
2496
04:10
or they might not do anything at all.
62
250820
2456
04:13
But that fourth chapter always ends with an execution.
63
253300
3840
04:18
When I started representing death row inmates more than 20 years ago,
64
258220
4136
04:22
people on death row did not have a right to a lawyer
65
262380
2656
04:25
in either the second or the fourth chapter of this story.
66
265060
3656
04:28
They were on their own.
67
268740
1616
04:30
In fact, it wasn't until the late 1980s
68
270380
2416
04:32
that they acquired a right to a lawyer during the third chapter of the story.
69
272820
3880
04:37
So what all of these death row inmates had to do was rely on volunteer lawyers
70
277700
5536
04:43
to handle their legal proceedings.
71
283260
1720
04:45
The problem is that there were way more guys on death row
72
285620
3376
04:49
than there were lawyers
73
289020
1256
04:50
who had both the interest and the expertise to work on these cases.
74
290300
3736
04:54
And so inevitably,
75
294060
1660
04:55
lawyers drifted to cases that were already in chapter four --
76
295744
3932
04:59
that makes sense, of course.
77
299700
1376
05:01
Those are the cases that are most urgent;
78
301100
1976
05:03
those are the guys who are closest to being executed.
79
303100
2484
05:05
Some of these lawyers were successful;
80
305608
1817
05:07
they managed to get new trials for their clients.
81
307449
2307
05:09
Others of them managed to extend the lives of their clients,
82
309780
2856
05:12
sometimes by years, sometimes by months.
83
312660
2896
05:15
But the one thing that didn't happen
84
315580
2416
05:18
was that there was never a serious and sustained decline
85
318020
3936
05:21
in the number of annual executions in Texas.
86
321980
2776
05:24
In fact, as you can see from this graph,
87
324780
1936
05:26
from the time that the Texas execution apparatus got efficient
88
326740
3376
05:30
in the mid- to late 1990s,
89
330140
2056
05:32
there have only been a couple of years
90
332220
1810
05:34
where the number of annual executions dipped below 20.
91
334054
3480
05:38
In a typical year in Texas,
92
338180
2016
05:40
we're averaging about two people a month.
93
340220
3896
05:44
In some years in Texas, we've executed close to 40 people,
94
344140
4176
05:48
and this number has never significantly declined over the last 15 years.
95
348340
5016
05:53
And yet, at the same time that we continue to execute
96
353380
3376
05:56
about the same number of people every year,
97
356780
2256
05:59
the number of people who we're sentencing to death on an annual basis
98
359060
3856
06:02
has dropped rather steeply.
99
362940
1600
06:05
So we have this paradox,
100
365220
1936
06:07
which is that the number of annual executions has remained high
101
367180
4216
06:11
but the number of new death sentences has gone down.
102
371420
4016
06:15
Why is that?
103
375460
1376
06:16
It can't be attributed to a decline in the murder rate,
104
376860
2856
06:19
because the murder rate has not declined nearly so steeply
105
379740
3576
06:23
as the red line on that graph has gone down.
106
383340
2440
06:26
What has happened instead
107
386340
2336
06:28
is that juries have started to sentence more and more people to prison
108
388700
4296
06:33
for the rest of their lives without the possibility of parole,
109
393020
3296
06:36
rather than sending them to the execution chamber.
110
396340
2680
06:40
Why has that happened?
111
400140
1656
06:41
It hasn't happened because of a dissolution
112
401820
3136
06:44
of popular support for the death penalty.
113
404980
2176
06:47
Death penalty opponents take great solace in the fact
114
407180
2856
06:50
that death penalty support in Texas is at an all-time low.
115
410060
4456
06:54
Do you know what all-time low in Texas means?
116
414540
2136
06:56
It means that it's in the low 60 percent.
117
416700
2216
06:58
Now, that's really good compared to the mid-1980s,
118
418940
2776
07:01
when it was in excess of 80 percent,
119
421740
2656
07:04
but we can't explain the decline in death sentences
120
424420
2896
07:07
and the affinity for life without the possibility of parole
121
427340
3216
07:10
by an erosion of support for the death penalty,
122
430580
2376
07:12
because people still support the death penalty.
123
432980
2216
07:15
What's happened to cause this phenomenon?
124
435220
2080
07:18
What's happened is that lawyers who represent death row inmates
125
438580
4656
07:23
have shifted their focus to earlier and earlier chapters
126
443260
3576
07:26
of the death penalty story.
127
446860
1400
07:28
So 25 years ago, they focused on chapter four.
128
448820
3336
07:32
And they went from chapter four 25 years ago
129
452180
2336
07:34
to chapter three in the late 1980s.
130
454540
2976
07:37
And they went from chapter three in the late 1980s
131
457540
2496
07:40
to chapter two in the mid-1990s.
132
460060
2416
07:42
And beginning in the mid- to late 1990s,
133
462500
2056
07:44
they began to focus on chapter one of the story.
134
464580
2976
07:47
Now, you might think that this decline in death sentences
135
467580
2896
07:50
and the increase in the number of life sentences
136
470500
2256
07:52
is a good thing or a bad thing.
137
472780
1496
07:54
I don't want to have a conversation about that today.
138
474300
2496
07:56
All that I want to tell you is that the reason that this has happened
139
476820
3256
08:00
is because death penalty lawyers have understood
140
480100
2976
08:03
that the earlier you intervene in a case,
141
483100
2763
08:05
the greater the likelihood that you're going to save your client's life.
142
485887
3413
08:09
That's the first thing I've learned.
143
489780
1896
08:11
Here's the second thing I learned:
144
491700
2096
08:13
My client Will was not the exception to the rule;
145
493820
3880
08:18
he was the rule.
146
498420
2080
08:21
I sometimes say, if you tell me the name of a death row inmate --
147
501460
3576
08:25
doesn't matter what state he's in,
148
505060
1656
08:26
doesn't matter if I've ever met him before --
149
506740
2136
08:28
I'll write his biography for you.
150
508900
1572
08:31
And eight out of 10 times,
151
511300
2376
08:33
the details of that biography will be more or less accurate.
152
513700
3720
08:38
And the reason for that is that 80 percent of the people on death row
153
518340
3656
08:42
are people who came from the same sort of dysfunctional family that Will did.
154
522020
4216
08:46
Eighty percent of the people on death row
155
526260
2176
08:48
are people who had exposure to the juvenile justice system.
156
528460
3560
08:53
That's the second lesson that I've learned.
157
533299
2401
08:56
Now we're right on the cusp of that corner
158
536580
3936
09:00
where everybody's going to agree.
159
540540
1800
09:03
People in this room might disagree
160
543500
1776
09:05
about whether Will should have been executed,
161
545300
2656
09:07
but I think everybody would agree
162
547980
2336
09:10
that the best possible version of his story
163
550340
3616
09:13
would be a story where no murder ever occurs.
164
553980
4200
09:19
How do we do that?
165
559740
1200
09:21
When our son Lincoln was working on that math problem two weeks ago,
166
561780
4736
09:26
it was a big, gnarly problem.
167
566540
2296
09:28
And he was learning how, when you have a big old gnarly problem,
168
568860
3456
09:32
sometimes the solution is to slice it into smaller problems.
169
572340
3936
09:36
That's what we do for most problems --
170
576300
1856
09:38
in math, in physics, even in social policy --
171
578180
2136
09:40
we slice them into smaller, more manageable problems.
172
580340
2880
09:43
But every once in a while, as Dwight Eisenhower said,
173
583660
3736
09:47
the way you solve a problem is to make it bigger.
174
587420
3560
09:52
The way we solve this problem
175
592820
2376
09:55
is to make the issue of the death penalty bigger.
176
595220
3120
09:59
We have to say, all right.
177
599060
2336
10:01
We have these four chapters of a death penalty story,
178
601420
4040
10:06
but what happens before that story begins?
179
606180
3840
10:10
How can we intervene in the life of a murderer
180
610780
3160
10:14
before he's a murderer?
181
614660
2200
10:17
What options do we have to nudge that person off of the path
182
617500
5736
10:23
that is going to lead to a result that everybody --
183
623260
3376
10:26
death penalty supporters and death penalty opponents --
184
626660
2776
10:29
still think is a bad result:
185
629460
3136
10:32
the murder of an innocent human being?
186
632620
1960
10:37
You know, sometimes people say that something isn't rocket science.
187
637500
5576
10:43
And by that, what they mean is rocket science is really complicated
188
643100
3296
10:46
and this problem that we're talking about now is really simple.
189
646420
3496
10:49
Well that's rocket science;
190
649940
1416
10:51
that's the mathematical expression for the thrust created by a rocket.
191
651380
5040
10:57
What we're talking about today is just as complicated.
192
657300
3800
11:01
What we're talking about today is also rocket science.
193
661740
4480
11:07
My client Will and 80 percent of the people on death row
194
667060
4160
11:12
had five chapters in their lives
195
672060
2976
11:15
that came before the four chapters of the death penalty story.
196
675060
4216
11:19
I think of these five chapters as points of intervention,
197
679300
3656
11:22
places in their lives
198
682980
1656
11:24
when our society could've intervened in their lives
199
684660
3576
11:28
and nudged them off of the path that they were on
200
688260
2976
11:31
that created a consequence that we all --
201
691260
2616
11:33
death penalty supporters or death penalty opponents --
202
693900
2896
11:36
say was a bad result.
203
696820
1680
11:39
Now, during each of these five chapters:
204
699100
2656
11:41
when his mother was pregnant with him;
205
701780
1936
11:43
in his early childhood years;
206
703740
2056
11:45
when he was in elementary school;
207
705820
1576
11:47
when he was in middle school and then high school;
208
707420
2342
11:49
and when he was in the juvenile justice system --
209
709786
2292
11:52
during each of those five chapters,
210
712102
1675
11:53
there were a wide variety of things that society could have done.
211
713801
3055
11:56
In fact, if we just imagine
212
716880
1596
11:58
that there are five different modes of intervention,
213
718500
2696
12:01
the way that society could intervene in each of those five chapters,
214
721220
4216
12:05
and we could mix and match them any way we want,
215
725460
2256
12:07
there are 3,000 -- more than 3,000 -- possible strategies
216
727740
4016
12:11
that we could embrace
217
731780
1296
12:13
in order to nudge kids like Will off of the path that they're on.
218
733100
4120
12:18
So I'm not standing here today with the solution.
219
738420
3896
12:22
But the fact that we still have a lot to learn,
220
742340
3480
12:26
that doesn't mean that we don't know a lot already.
221
746780
3496
12:30
We know from experience in other states
222
750300
2776
12:33
that there are a wide variety of modes of intervention
223
753100
3776
12:36
that we could be using in Texas,
224
756900
1616
12:38
and in every other state that isn't using them,
225
758540
2776
12:41
in order to prevent a consequence that we all agree is bad.
226
761340
3626
12:45
I'll just mention a few.
227
765660
1200
12:48
I won't talk today about reforming the legal system.
228
768220
3976
12:52
That's probably a topic
229
772220
1256
12:53
that is best reserved for a room full of lawyers and judges.
230
773500
3456
12:56
Instead, let me talk about a couple of modes of intervention
231
776980
3976
13:00
that we can all help accomplish,
232
780980
2096
13:03
because they are modes of intervention that will come about
233
783100
2762
13:05
when legislators and policymakers, when taxpayers and citizens,
234
785886
4070
13:09
agree that that's what we ought to be doing
235
789980
2056
13:12
and that's how we ought to be spending our money.
236
792060
2336
13:14
We could be providing early childhood care
237
794420
3016
13:17
for economically disadvantaged and otherwise troubled kids,
238
797460
4160
13:22
and we could be doing it for free.
239
802500
2496
13:25
And we could be nudging kids like Will off of the path that we're on.
240
805020
3663
13:29
There are other states that do that, but we don't.
241
809220
3000
13:32
We could be providing special schools,
242
812860
2576
13:35
at both the high school level and the middle school level,
243
815460
2776
13:38
but even in K-5,
244
818260
2136
13:40
that target economically and otherwise disadvantaged kids,
245
820420
2976
13:43
and particularly kids who have had exposure to the juvenile justice system.
246
823420
4456
13:47
There are a handful of states that do that;
247
827900
2136
13:50
Texas doesn't.
248
830060
1200
13:52
There's one other thing we can be doing -- well, there are a bunch of other things --
249
832180
4016
13:56
there's one other thing that I'm going to mention,
250
836220
2336
13:58
and this is going to be the only controversial thing that I say today.
251
838580
3286
14:01
We could be intervening much more aggressively
252
841890
3346
14:05
into dangerously dysfunctional homes,
253
845260
3176
14:08
and getting kids out of them
254
848460
1936
14:10
before their moms pick up butcher knives and threaten to kill them.
255
850420
3400
14:15
If we're going to do that, we need a place to put them.
256
855860
3080
14:19
Even if we do all of those things,
257
859820
1656
14:21
some kids are going to fall through the cracks
258
861500
2176
14:23
and they're going to end up in that last chapter
259
863700
2256
14:25
before the murder story begins,
260
865980
1536
14:27
they're going to end up in the juvenile justice system.
261
867540
2616
14:30
And even if that happens, it's not yet too late.
262
870180
3040
14:33
There's still time to nudge them,
263
873860
2776
14:36
if we think about nudging them rather than just punishing them.
264
876660
3976
14:40
There are two professors in the Northeast --
265
880660
2096
14:42
one at Yale and one at Maryland --
266
882780
1656
14:44
they set up a school that is attached to a juvenile prison.
267
884460
4040
14:49
And the kids are in prison, but they go to school
268
889140
2336
14:51
from eight in the morning until four in the afternoon.
269
891500
2576
14:54
Now, it was logistically difficult.
270
894100
1696
14:55
They had to recruit teachers who wanted to teach inside a prison,
271
895820
3256
14:59
they had to establish strict separation
272
899100
1858
15:00
between the people who work at the school and the prison authorities,
273
900982
3254
15:04
and most dauntingly of all,
274
904260
1336
15:05
they needed to invent a new curriculum because you know what?
275
905620
2896
15:08
People don't come into and out of prison on a semester basis.
276
908540
3066
15:11
(Laughter)
277
911630
1766
15:13
But they did all those things.
278
913420
2160
15:16
Now, what do all of these things have in common?
279
916500
2240
15:19
What all of these things have in common is that they cost money.
280
919260
4440
15:25
Some of the people in the room might be old enough
281
925580
2376
15:27
to remember the guy on the old oil filter commercial.
282
927980
4416
15:32
He used to say, "Well, you can pay me now or you can pay me later."
283
932420
5440
15:39
What we're doing in the death penalty system
284
939300
3360
15:43
is we're paying later.
285
943860
2040
15:47
But the thing is that for every 15,000 dollars
286
947140
3896
15:51
that we spend intervening
287
951060
2176
15:53
in the lives of economically and otherwise disadvantaged kids
288
953260
3736
15:57
in those earlier chapters,
289
957020
1296
15:58
we save 80,000 dollars in crime-related costs down the road.
290
958340
4040
16:03
Even if you don't agree that there's a moral imperative that we do it,
291
963060
5624
16:09
it just makes economic sense.
292
969620
2560
16:13
I want to tell you about the last conversation that I had with Will.
293
973460
3191
16:17
It was the day that he was going to be executed,
294
977580
4040
16:22
and we were just talking.
295
982940
2416
16:25
There was nothing left to do in his case.
296
985380
2400
16:28
And we were talking about his life.
297
988540
1760
16:31
And he was talking first about his dad, who he hardly knew, who had died,
298
991020
3840
16:35
and then about his mom, who he did know, who was still alive.
299
995620
4440
16:41
And I said to him,
300
1001140
1200
16:43
"I know the story.
301
1003860
1200
16:45
I've read the records.
302
1005860
1200
16:47
I know that she tried to kill you."
303
1007780
1680
16:50
I said, "But I've always wondered
304
1010180
1616
16:51
whether you really actually remember that."
305
1011820
2976
16:54
I said, "I don't remember anything from when I was five years old.
306
1014820
4016
16:58
Maybe you just remember somebody telling you."
307
1018860
2160
17:01
And he looked at me and he leaned forward,
308
1021660
2376
17:04
and he said, "Professor," --
309
1024060
1376
17:05
he'd known me for 12 years, he still called me Professor.
310
1025460
2696
17:08
He said, "Professor, I don't mean any disrespect by this,
311
1028180
3016
17:11
but when your mama picks up a butcher knife
312
1031220
2456
17:13
that looks bigger than you are,
313
1033700
2376
17:16
and chases you through the house screaming she's going to kill you,
314
1036100
3776
17:19
and you have to lock yourself in the bathroom
315
1039900
2296
17:22
and lean against the door
316
1042220
1256
17:23
and holler for help until the police get there,"
317
1043500
2440
17:27
he looked at me and he said,
318
1047260
1936
17:29
"that's something you don't forget."
319
1049220
2159
17:32
I hope there's one thing you all won't forget:
320
1052740
2696
17:35
In between the time you arrived here this morning
321
1055460
2336
17:37
and the time we break for lunch,
322
1057820
1576
17:39
there are going to be four homicides in the United States.
323
1059420
3456
17:42
We're going to devote enormous social resources
324
1062900
3176
17:46
to punishing the people who commit those crimes,
325
1066100
2256
17:48
and that's appropriate
326
1068380
1216
17:49
because we should punish people who do bad things.
327
1069620
2376
17:52
But three of those crimes are preventable.
328
1072020
2433
17:55
If we make the picture bigger
329
1075140
3256
17:58
and devote our attention to the earlier chapters,
330
1078420
3360
18:02
then we're never going to write the first sentence
331
1082620
3456
18:06
that begins the death penalty story.
332
1086100
1760
18:08
Thank you.
333
1088940
1216
18:10
(Applause)
334
1090180
1421
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7