A radical plan to end plastic waste | Andrew Forrest

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: Ayman Hosny ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: Riyad Almubarak
00:13
Chris Anderson: So, you've been obsessed with this problem
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ูƒุฑูŠุณ ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ู‚ุฏ ุงุณุชุจุฏุช ุจูƒ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ
00:15
for the last few years.
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ุทูŠู„ุฉ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉ.
00:17
What is the problem, in your own words?
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉุŒ ู…ู† ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑูƒ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉุŸ
00:19
Andrew Forrest: Plastic.
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ุฃู†ุฏุฑูˆ ููˆุฑูŠุณุช: ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
00:21
Simple as that.
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ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจุณุงุทุฉ.
00:23
Our inability to use it for the tremendous energetic commodity that it is,
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ุนุฏู… ู…ู‚ุฏุฑุชู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู…ู‡ ูƒุณู„ุนุฉ ุญูŠูˆูŠุฉ ู…ุชู…ูŠุฒุฉุŒ
00:30
and just throw it away.
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ูู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจุฅู„ู‚ุงุฆู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช.
00:32
CA: And so we see waste everywhere.
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู†ุฑู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ููŠ ูƒู„ ู…ูƒุงู†.
00:35
At its extreme, it looks a bit like this.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุณูˆุฃุŒ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุงู„ู…ู†ุธุฑ ู‡ูƒุฐุง.
00:38
I mean, where was this picture taken?
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ุฃูŠู† ุงู„ุชู‚ุทุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉุŸ
00:40
AF: That's in the Philippines,
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ุฃ.ู: ู‡ุฐู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ูู„ุจูŠู†.
00:42
and you know, there's a lot of rivers, ladies and gentlemen,
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุณูŠุฏุงุชูŠ ุณุงุฏุชูŠุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู†ู‡ุงุฑุŒ
00:45
which look exactly like that.
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ุชุจุฏูˆ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู‡ูƒุฐุง.
00:46
And that's the Philippines.
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ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ูู„ุจูŠู†.
00:47
So it's all over Southeast Asia.
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ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุฌู†ูˆุจ ุดุฑู‚ ุขุณูŠุงุŒ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู‡ูƒุฐุงุŒ
00:49
CA: So plastic is thrown into the rivers,
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูƒุฐู„ูƒ ูŠูู„ู‚ู‰ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃู†ู‡ุงุฑุŒ
00:51
and from there, of course, it ends up in the ocean.
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ูˆู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ูŠู†ุชู‡ูŠ ุจู‡ ุงู„ุญุงู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุท.
00:54
I mean, we obviously see it on the beaches,
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ุฅู†ู†ุง ู†ุฑุงู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดูˆุงุทุฆ ุจูƒู„ ูˆุถูˆุญุŒ
00:58
but that's not even your main concern.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุฏุงุฑ ุงู‡ุชู…ุงู…ูƒ.
01:01
It's what's actually happening to it in the oceans. Talk about that.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ูŠุตูŠุฑ ู„ู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุทุงุช. ุญุฏู‘ุซู†ุง ุนู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
01:04
AF: OK, so look. Thank you, Chris.
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ุฃ.ู: ุญุณู†ู‹ุง. ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณ.
01:07
About four years ago,
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ู…ู†ุฐ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 4 ุณู†ูˆุงุช ู…ุถุชุŒ
01:08
I thought I'd do something really barking crazy,
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ููƒุฑุช ุฃู† ุฃูุนู„ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู…ุฌู†ูˆู†ู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ
01:11
and I committed to do a PhD in marine ecology.
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ูˆุชุนู‡ุฏุชู ุจุฅุชู…ุงู… ุฑุณุงู„ุฉ ุฏูƒุชูˆุฑุงุฉ ููŠ ุนู„ู… ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ.
01:16
And the scary part about that was,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ู…ุฎูŠู ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุดุฃู†ุŒ
01:19
sure, I learned a lot about marine life,
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ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ุชุนู„ู…ุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑุนู† ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉุŒ
01:21
but it taught me more about marine death
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ุนุฑู‘ูุชู†ูŠ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุนู† ู…ูˆุช ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ
01:23
and the extreme mass ecological fatality of fish,
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ูˆุงู„ุฏู…ุงุฑ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆูŠ ุงู„ุดุงู…ู„ ู„ุจู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠู‘ุฉุ› ู„ู„ุฃุณู…ุงูƒุŒ
01:30
of marine life, marine mammals,
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ูˆู„ู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ุซุฏูŠูŠุงุช ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉุŒ
01:32
very close biology to us,
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ุงู„ู‚ุฑูŠุจุฉ ุจูŠูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠู‘ู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู…ู†ู‘ุงุŒ
01:34
which are dying in the millions if not trillions that we can't count
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู‡ู„ูƒ ุจุงู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู†ุŒ ุฅู† ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ุชุฑูŠู„ูŠูˆู†ุงุช ู„ุง ุชูุญุตู‰
01:39
at the hands of plastic.
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ุจุณุจุจ ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
01:40
CA: But people think of plastic as ugly but stable. Right?
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ู„ูƒู† ุฌู…ู‡ูˆุฑ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠู†ุธุฑูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ุงุฏุฉ ู…ุณุชุฏุงู…ุฉุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
01:44
You throw something in the ocean, "Hey, it'll just sit there forever.
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ูˆู„ูˆ ู‚ุงู… ุฃุญุฏู‡ู… ุจุฅู„ู‚ุงุก ุดูŠุก ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุทุŒ ูุณูŠุธู† ุฃู†ู‡ุง "ุณุชุจู‚ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู„ู„ุฃุจุฏ
01:48
Can't do any damage, right?"
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุณุจุจ ุฃูŠ ุถุฑุฑุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ"
01:49
AF: See, Chris, it's an incredible substance designed for the economy.
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ุฃ.ู: ูƒู…ุง ุชุฑู‰ุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู…ุงุฏุฉ ุฑุงุฆุนุฉ ู…ุตู…ู…ุฉ ู„ู„ู†ุดุงุท ุงู„ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏูŠ.
01:56
It is the worst substance possible for the environment.
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุฃุณูˆุฃ ู…ุงุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
02:01
The worst thing about plastics, as soon as it hits the environment,
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ูˆุฃุณูˆุฃ ู…ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู† ูŠุชูุงุนู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉุŒ
02:04
is that it fragments.
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ูŠุจุฏุฃ ุจุงู„ุชูุชุช.
02:07
It never stops being plastic.
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠุชุบูŠุฑ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ุนู† ูƒูˆู†ู‡ ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
02:09
It breaks down smaller and smaller and smaller,
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ูŠุชุฌุฒู‘ุฃ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ุฃุตุบุฑ ูˆุฃุตุบุฑ ูˆุฃุตุบุฑุŒ
02:12
and the breaking science on this, Chris,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุขุฎุฑ ู…ุง ุชูˆุตู„ ู„ู‡ ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ
02:15
which we've known in marine ecology for a few years now,
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ู†ุนุฑูู‡ ููŠ ุนู„ู… ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ ู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ู…ุถุชุŒ
02:17
but it's going to hit humans.
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ ููŠ ุณุจูŠู„ู‡ ู„ุฃู† ูŠุตูŠุจ ุงู„ุจุดุฑ.
02:19
We are aware now that nanoplastic,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุฏุฑูƒู†ุง ุฃู† ุฌุฒูŠุฆุงุช ู†ุงู†ูˆ-ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ
02:23
the very, very small particles of plastic, carrying their negative charge,
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ุงู„ุฌุฒูŠุฆุงุช ุงู„ุฃุดุฏ ุถุขู„ุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุชุญู…ู„ ุดุญู†ุชู‡ุง ุงู„ุณุงู„ุจุฉ
02:27
can go straight through the pores of your skin.
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ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชุชุฎู„ู„ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉู‹ ู…ุณุงู… ุจุดุฑุชูƒ.
02:31
That's not the bad news.
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ุฅู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุฎุจุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠู‰ุก.
02:32
The bad news is that it goes straight through the blood-brain barrier,
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ุงู„ุฎุจุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠุก ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุชุชุฎู„ู„ ุญุงุฌุฒ ุงู„ุฏู…ุงุบ ุงู„ุฏู…ูˆูŠ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุŒ
02:37
that protective coating which is there to protect your brain.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุญุงุฌุฒ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ู„ุญู…ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฎ.
02:40
Your brain's a little amorphous, wet mass full of little electrical charges.
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ุฅู† ุฏู…ุงุบูƒ ุฌุณู… ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ุฑุทุจ ูˆุบูŠุฑ ู…ุชุจู„ูˆุฑุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ู…ู„ูŠุก ุจุดุญู†ุงุช ูƒู‡ุฑุจุงุฆูŠุฉ ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ.
02:44
You put a negative particle into that,
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ุญูŠู† ุชุถุน ุฌุฒูŠุฆู‹ุง ุฐุง ุดุญู†ุฉ ุณู„ุจูŠุฉ ุฏุงุฎู„ู‡ุŒ
02:47
particularly a negative particle which can carry pathogens --
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ุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุง ุฌุฒูŠุฆู‹ุง ุณุงู„ุจู‹ุง ุจู…ู‚ุฏูˆุฑู‡ ุญู…ู„ ู…ุณุจุจุงุช ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุงุถ...
02:50
so you have a negative charge, it attracts positive-charge elements,
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ูุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุดุญู†ุฉ ุณุงู„ุจุฉ ุชุฌุฐุจ ุงู„ุนู†ุงุตุฑ ุฐุงุช ุงู„ุดุญู†ุฉ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌุจุฉุŒ
02:54
like pathogens, toxins,
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ู…ุซู„ ู…ุณุจุจุงุช ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุงุถ ูˆุงู„ุณู…ูˆู…ุŒ
02:57
mercury, lead.
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ูˆุงู„ุฒุฆุจู‚ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุฑุตุงุต.
02:58
That's the breaking science we're going to see in the next 12 months.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุขุฎุฑ ู…ุง ุชูˆุตู„ ู„ู‡ ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุŒ ูˆุณู†ูƒุชุดู ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุดู‡ูˆุฑ ุงู„ู€12 ุงู„ู…ู‚ุจู„ุฉ.
03:01
CA: So already I think you told me that there's like 600 plastic bags or so
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฃุฎุจุฑุชู†ูŠ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 600 ูƒูŠุณ ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒูŠ
03:05
for every fish that size in the ocean, something like that.
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ู„ูƒู„ ุณู…ูƒุฉ ุจู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุญุฌู… ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุทุŒ ุฃูˆ ุฑุจู…ุง ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„.
03:09
And they're breaking down,
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุชุชุดุฑุฐู… ููŠ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ุฃุตุบุฑุŒ
03:12
and there's going to be ever more of them,
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ูˆู„ุณูˆู ูŠุจู„ุบ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุนุฏู„ู‹ุง ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุณุจูˆู‚.
03:14
and we haven't even seen the start of the consequences of that.
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ูˆู†ุญู† ู„ู… ู†ุดู‡ุฏ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุนูˆุงู‚ุจ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชุญุตู„ ุฌุฑุงุก ุฐู„ูƒ.
03:17
AF: No, we really haven't.
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ุฃ.ู: ู„ุงุŒ ู„ู… ู†ุดู‡ุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
03:18
The Ellen MacArthur Foundation, they're a bunch of good scientists,
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ู…ุคุณุณุฉ ุฅู„ูŠู† ู…ุงูƒ-ุฃุฑุซุฑุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ู… ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ู…ุงุก ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏูŠู†ุŒ
03:22
we've been working with them for a while.
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ู†ุนู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡ู… ู…ู†ุฐ ู…ุฏุฉ.
03:24
I've completely verified their work.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุญู‚ู‚ุช ุจุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„ ู…ู† ุตุญุฉ ุนู…ู„ู‡ู….
03:26
They say there will be one ton of plastic, Chris,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุงู„ูˆุง ุจุฃู† ุทู†ู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ
03:28
for every three tons of fish by, not 2050 --
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ุณูŠู‚ุงุจู„ ูƒู„ ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃุทู†ุงู†ู ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุณู…ุงูƒุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ุจุญู„ูˆู„ ุนุงู… 2050ุŒ
03:31
and I really get impatient with people who talk about 2050 -- by 2025.
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ู„ุง ุฃุทูŠู‚ ุตุจุฑู‹ุง ู…ุน ู…ู† ูŠุชุญุฏุซูˆู† ุนู† 2050... ุจู„ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู†ู‡ 2025.
03:35
That's around the corner.
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ุฃู†ู‡ ู‚ุฑูŠุจุŒ ูˆู‚ุฑูŠุจ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
03:37
That's just the here and now.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ูŠุญูŠู‚ ุจู†ุง ุงู„ุขู†.
03:39
You don't need one ton of plastic to completely wipe out marine life.
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ุฅู†ูƒ ู„ุณุช ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุทู†ู ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ู„ุชู…ุญูˆ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ ุจุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„.
03:42
Less than that is going to do a fine job at it.
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ุฃู‚ู„ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุฃูƒู…ู„ ูˆุฌู‡ู.
03:45
So we have to end it straightaway. We've got no time.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุถุน ุญุฏู‹ุง ู„ู‡ุฐุง ููˆุฑู‹ุง. ู„ูŠุณ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ูˆู‚ุชูŒ.
03:50
CA: OK, so you have an idea for ending it, and you're coming at this
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุช ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ู…ุง ุชู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ู„ูˆุถุน ุญุฏ ู„ู‡ุฐุง. ูˆู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุชูŠุช ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุง
03:54
not as a typical environmental campaigner, I would say,
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ู„ูŠุณ ูƒู†ุงุดุทู ุจูŠุฆูŠู‘ู ุชู‚ู„ูŠุฏูŠู‘ูุŒ ุจู„ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
03:57
but as a businessman, as an entrepreneur, who has lived --
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ู„ูƒู† ูƒุฑุฌู„ ุฃุนู…ุงู„ูุŒ ูˆุฑุงุฆุฏุŒ ุนุงุด ุญูŠุงุชู‡...
04:00
you've spent your whole life thinking about global economic systems
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุถูŠุช ุญูŠุงุชูƒ ุจุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„ ู…ู†ุดุบู„ู‹ุง ุจุงู„ู†ูุธู… ุงู„ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ
04:04
and how they work.
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ูˆูƒูŠู ุชูุฏุงุฑ.
04:05
And if I understand it right,
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ูˆู„ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูู‡ู…ุช ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุญูˆู ุณู„ูŠู…ูุŒ
04:07
your idea depends on heroes who look something like this.
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ูุฅู† ุทุฑุญูƒ ูŠุนุชู…ุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุจุทุงู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุจุฏูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‡ูŠุฆุฉ.
04:13
What's her profession?
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ู…ุง ู…ู‡ู†ุชู‡ุงุŸ
04:15
AF: She, Chris, is a ragpicker,
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ุฃ.ู: ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู…ู†ู‚ูุจุฉ ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ ูŠุง ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ
04:18
and there were 15, 20 million ragpickers like her,
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ูˆูŠูˆุฌุฏ ู…ุง ุจูŠู† 15 ุฅู„ู‰ 20 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู†ู‹ุง ู…ู† ู…ู†ู‚ุจูŠ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ู…ุซู„ู‡ุงุŒ
04:22
until China stopped taking everyone's waste.
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ุญุชู‰ ุชูˆู‚ูุช ุงู„ุตูŠู† ุนู† ุฃุฎุฐ ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน.
04:26
And the price of plastic, minuscule that it was, collapsed.
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ูˆุงู†ู‡ุงุฑ ุณุนุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ ุฑุบู… ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‡ ู…ู† ุถุขู„ุฉ.
04:30
That led to people like her,
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ู‡ุฐุง ุฃุฏู‰ ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุฃุดุฎุงุตู ู…ุซู„ู‡ุงุŒ
04:32
which, now -- she is a child who is a schoolchild.
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ุงู„ุขู†... ู‡ูŠ ุทูู„ุฉุŒ ููŠ ุณู† ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
04:37
She should be at school.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
04:38
That's probably very akin to slavery.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุบู„ุจ ู…ู…ุงุซู„ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ู„ุงุณุชุนุจุงุฏ.
04:40
My daughter Grace and I have met hundreds of people like her.
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ุฃู†ุง ูˆุงุจู†ุชูŠ ุฌุฑูŠุณ ู‚ุงุจู„ู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุฆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ู…ุซู„ู‡ุง.
04:43
CA: And there are many adults as well, literally millions around the world,
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจุงู„ุบูŠู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ ุงู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู†ุŒ ุจู…ุนู†ู‰ ุงู„ูƒู„ู…ุฉุŒ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
04:47
and in some industries,
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ูˆููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนุงุชุŒ
04:48
they actually account for the fact that, for example,
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ู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุงู„ุณุจุจ ูˆุฑุงุก ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ
04:51
we don't see a lot of metal waste in the world.
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ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุฑู‰ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ุงู„ู…ุนุฏู†ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
04:53
AF: That's exactly right.
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ุฃ.ู: ุจุงู„ุถุจุท ู‡ุฐุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠ.
04:54
That little girl is, in fact, the hero of the environment.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูุชุงุฉ ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ู‡ูŠ ุจุทู„ุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
04:57
She's in competition with a great big petrochemical plant
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ู‡ูŠ ููŠ ู…ู†ุงูุณุฉ ู…ุน ู…ุตู†ุน ุจุชุฑูˆูƒูŠู…ุงูˆูŠุงุช ูƒุจูŠุฑ
05:01
which is just down the road,
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ููŠ ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุŒ
05:02
the three-and-a-half-billion-dollar petrochemical plant.
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ู…ุตู†ุน ุงู„ุจุชุฑูˆูƒูŠู…ุงูˆูŠุงุช ุฐูˆ ุงู„ู€3.5 ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑ ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ.
05:05
That's the problem.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
05:06
We've got more oil and gas in plastic and landfill
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ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู†ูุท ูˆุบุงุฒ ููŠ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ูˆููŠ ู…ู‚ู„ุจ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช
05:11
than we have in the entire oil and gas resources of the United States.
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู…ุง ู†ู…ุชู„ูƒ ููŠ ูƒู„ ู…ุตุงุฏุฑ ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู„ุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉ.
05:15
So she is the hero.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูุฅู†ู‡ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุจุทู„ุฉ.
05:17
And that's what that landfill looks like, ladies and gentlemen,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ู…ู‚ู„ุจ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ ุณูŠุฏุงุชูŠ ุณุงุฏุชูŠุŒ
05:20
and it's solid oil and gas.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ู†ูุท ูˆุบุงุฒ ููŠ ุตูˆุฑุฉ ุตู„ุจุฉ.
05:22
CA: So there's huge value potentially locked up in there
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅุฐู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ ุถุฎู…ุฉ ู…ุญุจูˆุณุฉ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ
05:26
that the world's ragpickers would, if they could, make a living from.
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ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู…ู†ู‚ุจูŠ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ูƒุณุจ ุงู„ุนูŠุด ู…ู†ู‡ุง ุฅู† ุฃุฑุงุฏูˆุง.
05:30
But why can't they?
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุณุชุทูŠุนูˆู†ุŸ
05:33
AF: Because we have ingrained in us
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ุฃ.ู: ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ุฑุณุฎู†ุง ููŠู†ุง
05:36
a price of plastic from fossil fuels,
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ุฃู† ูƒู„ูุฉ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠุŒ
05:40
which sits just under what it takes
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ุฃู‚ู„ ู…ู…ุง ูŠุญุชุงุฌู‡
05:44
to economically and profitably recycle plastic from plastic.
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ู„ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ -ุฃูŠ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ- ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏูŠู‘ู‹ุง ูˆุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุฑุจุญ.
05:49
See, all plastic is is building blocks from oil and gas.
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ุงู†ุธุฑุŒ ุฅู† ูˆุญุฏุงุช ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุชุชูƒูˆู‘ู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒ.
05:54
Plastic's 100 percent polymer, which is 100 percent oil and gas.
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ู†ุณุจุฉ 100% ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูƒูˆู‘ู† ุงู„ู†ู‘ุณูŠุฌูŠ (ุงู„ุจูˆู„ูŠู…ุฑ) ู„ู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ูŠุชูƒูˆู‘ู† ู…ู† 100% ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒ.
05:58
And you know we've got enough plastic in the world
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…
06:00
for all our needs.
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ู„ูƒู„ ุงุญุชูŠุงุฌุงุชู†ุง.
06:01
And when we recycle plastic,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุนูŠุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ
06:04
if we can't recycle it cheaper than fossil fuel plastic,
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ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ู†ุณุชุทุน ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃุฑุฎุต ู…ู† ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠ
06:07
then, of course, the world just sticks to fossil fuel plastic.
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ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ุณูŠุธู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู…ุชู…ุณูƒู‹ุง ุจุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠ.
06:10
CA: So that's the fundamental problem,
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅุฐู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉุŒ
06:12
the price of recycled plastic is usually more
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ุณุนุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ู…ูุนุงุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ ุนุงุฏุฉู‹ ุฃุนู„ู‰ ู…ู†
06:17
than the price of just buying it made fresh from more oil.
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ุณุนุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ู…ุตู†ูˆุน ุงุจุชุฏุงุกู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูุท.
06:21
That's the fundamental problem.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ.
06:23
AF: A slight tweak of the rules here, Chris.
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ุฃ.ู: ุชุจุฏูŠู„ ุทููŠู ู‡ู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูˆุงุนุฏุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณ.
06:26
I'm a commodity person.
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ุฃู†ุง ุดุฎุต ูŠู‡ุชู… ุจุงู„ุณู„ุนุฉ.
06:28
I understand that we used to have scrap metal and rubbish iron
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ุฃุชูู‡ู… ุฃู†ู†ุง ุงุนุชุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุนุงุฏู† ุฎุฑุฏุฉ ูˆู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ุญุฏูŠุฏ
06:35
and bits of copper lying all round the villages,
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ูˆุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุญุงุณ ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ู‚ุฑู‰ุŒ
06:38
particularly in the developing world.
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ุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงู…ูŠุฉ.
06:40
And people worked out it's got a value.
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ูˆูŠุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู‚ุชู†ุงุก ู‚ูŠู…ุชู‡ุง.
06:41
It's actually an article of value,
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุงุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉุŒ
06:45
not of waste.
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ูˆู„ูŠุณุช ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช.
06:46
Now the villages and the cities and the streets are clean,
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ุงู„ุขู† ุงู„ู‚ุฑู‰ ูˆุงู„ู…ุฏู† ูˆุงู„ุดูˆุงุฑุน ู†ุธูŠูุฉุŒ
06:49
you don't trip over scrap copper or scrap iron now,
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ุญุงู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุช ู„ุง ุชุนุจุฑ ููˆู‚ ุฃูƒูˆุงู… ุฎุฑุฏุฉ ุงู„ู†ุญุงุณ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุฏุŒ
06:54
because it's an article of value, it gets recycled.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ุณุชูˆุฏุน ู„ู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉุŒ ูˆูŠูุนุงุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ุง.
06:57
CA: So what's your idea, then, to try to change that in plastics?
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุญุณู†ู‹ุง ู…ุง ู‚ูˆู„ูƒุŒ ุฅุฐู†ุŒ ููŠ ููƒุฑุฉ ุฃู† ู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŸ
07:03
AF: OK, so Chris,
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ุฃ.ู: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูŠุง ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ
07:04
for most part of that PhD, I've been doing research.
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุงู„ุฃุจุญุงุซ ููŠ ุฃุบู„ุจ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ุงู„ุฏูƒุชูˆุฑุงู‡.
07:08
And the good thing about being a businessperson who's done OK at it
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ูˆุฃูุถู„ ุดูŠุกู ุจุงุนุชุจุงุฑูƒ ุฑุฌู„ ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ู…ูˆูู‚ ููŠ ุฃุฏุงุก ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„
07:12
is that people want to see you.
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ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ูŠุชุญู‚ู‚ูˆู† ู…ู†ูƒ.
07:14
Other businesspeople,
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ูˆุฑุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูˆู†ุŒ
07:15
even if you're kind of a bit of a zoo animal species they'd like to check out,
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ูƒู†ุช ุชู†ุชู…ูŠ ู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุญุฏูŠู‚ุฉ ุญูŠูˆุงู†ุงุชุŒ ุณูˆู ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุงู„ุชุญู‚ู‚ ู…ู†ูƒุŒ
07:19
they'll say, yeah, OK, we'll all meet Twiggy Forrest.
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ุณูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู†ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุณู†ู‚ุงุจู„ ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุชูˆูŠุบูŠ ููˆุฑูŠุณุช (ู„ู‚ุจ ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุซ).
07:21
And so once you're in there,
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ูˆุจู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ
07:23
you can interrogate them.
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ุชุณุชุทูŠุน ุงู„ุชุนุฑู ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุนู† ู‚ุฑุจ.
07:25
And I've been to most of the oil and gas and fast-moving consumer good companies
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ูˆู„ู‚ุฏ ุฐู‡ุจุช ู„ู…ุนุธู… ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒ ูˆุงู„ุณู„ุน ุงู„ุงุณุชู‡ู„ุงูƒูŠุฉ ุณุฑูŠุนุฉ ุงู„ู†ุดุงุท
07:31
in the world,
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ููŠ ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
07:32
and there is a real will to change.
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฑุบุจุฉ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ.
07:35
I mean, there's a couple of dinosaurs
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฏูŠู†ุงุตูˆุฑุงุช (ุงู„ูƒูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ)
07:37
who are going to hope for the best and do nothing,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุชู…ู†ูˆู† ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ูŠุณุนูˆู† ุฅู„ูŠู‡.
07:40
but there's a real will to change.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฑุบุจุฉ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ.
07:42
So what I've been discussing is,
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ูุฅู† ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃู†ุงู‚ุดู‡ ู‡ูˆุŒ
07:43
the seven and a half billion people in the world
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ุงู„ู€7.5 ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑ ู†ุณู…ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…
07:47
don't actually deserve to have their environment smashed by plastic,
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ู„ุง ูŠุณุชุญู‚ูˆู† ุฃู† ุชู†ุณุญู‚ ุจูŠุฆุชู‡ู… ุจุณุจุจ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒุŒ
07:51
their oceans rendered depauperate or barren of sea life because of plastic.
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ุฃู† ุชู†ุถุจ ุงู„ู…ุญูŠุทุงุช ุฃูˆ ุชุตูŠุฑ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ ุฌุฑุฏุงุก ุจุณุจุจ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
07:56
So you come down that chain,
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ูˆุนู„ูŠู‡ุŒ ูุฅู†ูƒ ุชู‡ุฐู‘ุจ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุณู„ุณู„ุฉุŒ
07:57
and there's tens of thousands of brands which we all buy heaps of products from,
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุนุดุฑุงุช ุงู„ุขู„ุงู ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู„ุงู…ุงุช ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑูŠุฉ ูƒู„ู‡ุง ู†ุดุชุฑูŠ ุฃูƒูˆุงู…ู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุฌุงุช ู…ู†ู‡ุงุŒ
08:02
but then there's only a hundred major resin producers,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูู‚ุท ู…ุงุฆุฉ ู…ู† ุฑูˆุงุฏ ู…ู†ุชุฌูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุฏ ุงู„ุตุจุบูŠู‘ุฉ (ุงู„ุฑุงุชู†ุฌ)
08:05
big petrochemical plants,
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ูˆู…ุตุงู†ุน ุงู„ุจุชุฑูˆูƒูŠู…ุงูˆูŠุงุช ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ
08:07
that spew out all the plastic which is single use.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฎู„ู‘ู ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ู…ุณุชุฎุฏู… ู„ู…ุฑุฉู ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ.
08:10
CA: So one hundred companies
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุญุณู†ู‹ุง ู…ุงุฆุฉ ุดุฑูƒุฉ ู‡ูˆ ุนุฏุฏ
08:11
are right at the base of this food chain, as it were.
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ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู„ุณู„ุณู„ุฉ ุงู„ูƒูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุนุงู…ู„ุฉ ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุบุฐุงุก.
08:14
AF: Yeah.
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ุฃ.ู: ู‡ุฐุง ุตุญูŠุญ.
08:15
CA: And so what do you need those one hundred companies to do?
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุญุณู†ุงู‹ ู…ุงุฐุง ุชุฑูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู€100 ุดุฑูƒุฉ ุฃู† ุชูุนู„ุŸ
08:18
AF: OK, so we need them to simply raise the value
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ุฃ.ู: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู†ุฑูŠุฏู‡ู… ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ ุฃู† ูŠุฑูุนูˆุง ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ
08:23
of the building blocks of plastic from oil and gas,
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ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจูˆุญุฏุงุช ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒุŒ
08:26
which I call "bad plastic,"
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุณู…ูŠู‡ "ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ุณูŠู‰ุก"ุŒ
08:28
raise the value of that,
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ุฃู† ูŠุฑูุนูˆุง ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
08:30
so that when it spreads through the brands and onto us, the customers,
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุฑูˆู‘ุฌ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุนู„ุงู…ุงุช ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑูŠุฉ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ูƒู…ุณุชู‡ู„ูƒูŠู†ุŒ
08:33
we won't barely even notice an increase in our coffee cup
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ุจุงู„ูƒุงุฏุŒ ุณูˆู ู†ู„ุงุญุธ ุงุฑุชูุงุน ุณุนุฑ ูƒูˆุจ ุงู„ู‚ู‡ูˆุฉ
08:38
or Coke or Pepsi, or anything.
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ูƒูˆู„ุง ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุจูŠุจุณูŠ ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก.
08:41
CA: Like, what, like a cent extra?
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ู…ุซู„ุŒ ู…ุงุฐุงุŸ ุณู†ุชู‹ุง ูˆุงุญุฏู‹ุงุŸ
08:43
AF: Less. Quarter of a cent, half a cent.
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ุฃ.ู: ุฃู‚ู„ุŒ ุฑุจุน ุณู†ุช ุฃูˆ ู†ุตู ุณู†ุช.
08:45
It'll be absolutely minimal.
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุถุฆูŠู„ู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
08:48
But what it does,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุง ุณูŠูุนู„ู‡ุŒ
08:49
it makes every bit of plastic all over the world an article of value.
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ุณูŠุฌุนู„ ู„ุฃูŠ ูƒู…ูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ ุฃุนู„ู‰.
08:54
Where you have the waste worst,
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ููŠ ุฃุณูˆุฃ ุฃู…ุงูƒู†ูŽ ุชูˆุงุฌุฏ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ
08:57
say Southeast Asia, India,
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ุฌู†ูˆุจ ุดุฑู‚ ุขุณูŠุง ูˆุงู„ู‡ู†ุฏุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ุŒ
08:59
that's where the wealth is most.
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ุฃูŠู†ู…ุง ูˆูุฌุฏุช ุชู†ุชุดุฑ ุงู„ุซุฑูˆุฉ.
09:01
CA: OK, so it feels like there's two parts to this.
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู† ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุดูู‚ูŠู’ู†.
09:04
One is, if they will charge more money
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ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ุŒ ู„ูˆ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒู„ู‘ู ุงู„ู…ุฒูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุงู„
09:08
but carve out that excess
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ ู‚ู„ู‘ู„ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูุงุฆุถ
09:11
and pay it -- into what? -- a fund operated by someone
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ุซู… ุถุฎู‘ู‡ -ููŠ ู…ุงุฐุงุŸ- ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุชู…ูˆูŠู„ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฃุญุฏ ู…ุง
09:16
to tackle this problem of -- what?
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ู„ุญู„ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู…ุง... ู…ุง ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉุŸ
09:18
What would that money be used for, that they charge the extra for?
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ู„ุฃูŠ ุบุฑุถ ุณูŠุณุชุฎุฏู… ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุงู„ุŒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฑููุนูŽ ุงู„ุณุนุฑ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ู‡ุŸ
09:22
AF: So when I speak to really big businesses,
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ุฃ.ู: ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ
09:24
I say, "Look, I need you to change, and I need you to change really fast,"
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ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ "ุงู†ุธุฑูˆุงุŒ ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุชุชุบูŠุฑูˆุงุŒ ูˆุฃู† ุชุชุบูŠุฑูˆุง ุจุณุฑุนุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง"ุŒ
09:28
their eyes are going to peel over in boredom,
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ุชุชุฃู…ู„ู†ูŠ ุนูŠูˆู†ู‡ู… ููŠ ู…ู„ู„ุŒ
09:31
unless I say, "And it's good business."
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ุญุชู‰ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ "ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ ุนู…ู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ูˆู…ุฑุจุญ".
09:33
"OK, now you've got my attention, Andrew."
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"ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุงู„ุขู† ุฌุฐุจุช ุงู‡ุชู…ุงู…ูŠุŒ ุฃู†ุฏุฑูˆ".
09:35
So I say, "Right, I need you to make a contribution
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ูุฃู‚ูˆู„: "ุญุณู†ู‹ุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ู…ู†ูƒู… ุฃู† ุชุณุงู‡ู…ูˆุง
09:38
to an environmental and industry transition fund.
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ููŠ ุชู…ูˆูŠู„ ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ุจูŠุฆูŠ ูˆุตู†ุงุนูŠ.
09:41
Over two or three years,
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ุฎู„ุงู„ ุนุงู…ูŠู† ุฃูˆ 3 ุฃุนูˆุงู…ุŒ
09:42
the entire global plastics industry
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ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ ุจุฃูƒู…ู„ู‡ุง
09:44
can transition from getting its building blocks from fossil fuel
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ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุชุญูˆู„ ูˆุญุฏุงุช ุจู†ุงุฆู‡ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠ
09:48
to getting its building blocks from plastic.
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ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุญุฏุงุช ุจู†ุงุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
09:51
The technology is out there.
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ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ูุนู„.
09:52
It's proven."
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ูˆู…ูุฌุฑู‘ุจุฉ".
09:53
I've taken two multibillion-dollar operations from nothing,
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ุฃุฌุฑูŠุช ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุช ุจู…ู„ูŠุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุงุช ู…ู† ู„ุง ุดูŠุกุŒ
09:57
recognizing that the technology can be scaled.
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ุงุนุชุฑุงูู‹ุง ุจุฃู† ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ููŠ ูŠุฏู‡ุง ุงู„ุญู„.
10:00
I see at least a dozen technologies in plastic to handle all types of plastic.
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ุฃุฑู‰ ุญุฒู…ู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุจู…ู‚ุฏูˆุฑู‡ุง ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ูƒุงูุฉ.
10:04
So once those technologies have an economic margin,
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ูู…ุง ุฃู† ุชุชุญุตู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุชู‚ู†ูŠุงุช ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุงู…ุด ุงู„ุฑุจุญ ุงู„ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏูŠุŒ
10:08
which this gives them,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูˆูุฑู‡ ู„ู‡ุง ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุงุชุŒ
10:10
that's where the global public will get all their plastic from,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู…ู† ุดุฃู†ู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชูˆูู‘ุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ู„ูƒู„ ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
10:13
from existing plastic.
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ู…ู† ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆู….
10:15
CA: So every sale of virgin plastic contributes money to a fund
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูˆุนู„ูŠู‡ุŒ ูุฅู† ุฃูŠ ู…ุจูŠุนุงุช ู„ู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ุฌุฏูŠุฏ ูŠุณุงู‡ู… ููŠ ุชู…ูˆูŠู„
10:19
that is used to basically transition the industry
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ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ุงู„ุชุญูˆูŠู„ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ
10:22
and start to pay for things like cleanup and other pieces.
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ุซู… ูŠุณุงู‡ู… ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู†ุธุงูุฉ ูˆุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุช ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
10:25
AF: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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ุฃ.ู: ู…ุทู„ู‚ู‹ุง. ู…ุทู„ู‚ู‹ุง.
10:26
CA: And it has the incredible side benefit,
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูˆุณูŠุฑุงูู‚ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู†ูุนุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ
10:28
which is maybe even the main benefit,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฑุจู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ูุนุฉ ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠุฉุŒ
10:30
of creating a market.
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ู„ุฎู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃุณูˆุงู‚.
10:31
It suddenly makes recyclable plastic
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ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ู…ู† ุดุฃู†ู‡ุง ุฃู† ุชุฌุนู„ ู…ู† ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ
10:35
a giant business that can unlock millions of people around the world
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ุนู…ู„ู‹ุง ุชุฌุงุฑูŠู‹ุง ุนู…ู„ุงู‚ู‹ุง ูŠูุชุญ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…
10:39
to find a new living collecting it.
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ุฃุจูˆุงุจู‹ุง ู„ู„ุฑุฒู‚ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ.
10:41
AF: Yeah, exactly.
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ุฃ.ู: ู†ุนู…. ุจุงู„ุถุจุท.
10:42
So all you do is, you've got fossil fuel plastics at this value
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ุฅุฐู† ูƒู„ ู…ุง ุนู„ูŠูƒ ูุนู„ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุชุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠ ุนู†ุฏ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ
10:47
and recycled plastic at this value.
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ูˆุชุนูŠุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ ุนู†ุฏ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ.
10:49
You change it.
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู…ู‘ ุชุบูŠู‘ุฑู‡.
10:50
So recycled plastic is cheaper.
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ูˆุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ู…ุนุงุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ ุฃุฑุฎุต.
10:53
What I love about this most, Chris, is that, you know,
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ุฅู† ู…ุง ุฑุงู‚ ู„ูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ูŠุง ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‘ูŽุŒ ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู… ุฃู†ุชุŒ
10:56
we waste into the environment 300, 350 million tons of plastic.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ู„ู‚ูŠ 300,350 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุทู† ู…ู† ู…ุฎู„ูุงุช ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
11:02
On the oil and gas companies own accounts,
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ุฅุฐุง ุญู…ู„ุช ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุงู„ู†ูุท ูˆุงู„ุบุงุฒ ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุงุชู‡ุงุŒ
11:04
it's going to grow to 500 million tons.
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ูู„ุณูˆู ุชุนูŠุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ ู…ุง ูŠุจู„ุบ 500 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุทู†.
11:07
This is an accelerating problem.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู„ุญู‘ุฉ.
11:09
But every ton of that is polymer.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูƒู„ ุทู† ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ููƒูˆู‘ู†ุฉ ู…ู† ู†ุณูŠุฌ ุงู„ุจูˆู„ูŠู…ุฑ.
11:13
Polymer is 1,000 dollars, 1,500 dollars a ton.
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ุณุนุฑ ุงู„ุจูˆู„ูŠู…ุฑ ู„ู„ุทู† ุงู„ูˆุงุญุฏ ุจูŠู† 1,000 ุฅู„ู‰ 1,500 ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑู‹ุง.
11:16
That's half a trillion dollars which could go into business
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ุฌู…ู„ุฉ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฑุจู…ุง ุชุจู„ุบ ู†ุตู ุชุฑูŠู„ูŠูˆู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ ุณูˆู ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุถุฎู‘ู‡ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุณูˆู‚
11:20
and could create jobs and opportunities and wealth right across the world,
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ูˆุณูˆู ุชุชูŠุญ ูุฑุตู‹ุง ูˆูˆุธุงุฆู ูˆุชูƒูˆู‘ู† ุซุฑูˆุงุช ุนุจุฑ ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
11:24
particularly in the most impoverished.
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ูˆุจุตูุฉ ุฎุงุตุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุทู‚ ุงู„ุฃุดุฏ ูู‚ุฑู‹ุง.
11:26
Yet we throw it away.
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ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ู†ู„ูˆู‘ุซ ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
11:27
CA: So this would allow the big companies to invest in recycling plants
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅุฐู† ุณูŠุณู…ุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู„ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุงู„ูƒุจุฑู‰ ุจุงู„ุงุณุชุซู…ุงุฑ ููŠ ู…ุตุงู†ุน ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ
11:31
literally all over the world --
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ุจู…ุนู†ู‰ ุงู„ูƒู„ู…ุฉุŒ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…...
11:32
AF: All over the world.
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ุฃ.ู: ููŠ ูƒู„ ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
11:33
Because the technology is low-capital cost,
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุชุฎูู‘ุถ ุงู„ูƒู„ูุฉุŒ
11:35
you can put it in at rubbish dumps, at the bottom of big hotels,
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ุจุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู† ูˆุถุนู‡ุง ููŠ ู…ุณุชูˆุฏุน ู„ู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ ููŠ ุฃุณูู„ ุงู„ูู†ุงุฏู‚ ุงู„ูƒุจุฑู‰ุŒ
11:38
garbage depots, everywhere,
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ู…ุณุชูˆุฏุนุงุช ู„ู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ ููŠ ูƒู„ ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ
11:40
turn that waste into resin.
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ู„ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู†ุชุฌุงุช ุตู…ุบูŠุฉ.
11:41
CA: Now, you're a philanthropist,
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅุฐู† ุฃู†ุช ูุงุนู„ ุฎูŠุฑุŒ
11:43
and you're ready to commit some of your own wealth to this.
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ูˆู…ุณุชุนุฏู‹ุง ู„ุญูุธ ุซุฑูˆุชูƒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุถุนุชู‡ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง.
11:46
What is the role of philanthropy in this project?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ู„ู†ู‚ุฏู… ุงู„ุฎูŠุฑ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุดุฑูˆุนุŸ
11:48
AF: I think what we have to do is kick in the 40 to 50 million US dollars
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ุฃ.ู: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู…ุง ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ูุนู„ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ู…ู† 40 ุฅู„ู‰ 50 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒูŠ
11:52
to get it going,
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ู„ุฏูุน ุงู„ุนุฌู„ุฉุŒ
11:53
and then we have to create absolute transparency
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูุณูˆู ู†ุฎู„ู‚ ุดูุงููŠุฉ ู…ุทู„ู‚ุฉ
11:56
so everyone can see exactly what's going on.
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ุจุญูŠุซ ูŠูƒูˆู† ุจู‚ุฏูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู† ูŠุชุงุจุนูˆุง ุจุงู„ุถุจุท ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฌุฑูŠ.
11:59
From the resin producers to the brands to the consumers,
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ู…ู† ู…ู†ุชุฌูŠ ุงู„ุตู…ุบูŠุงุช ู…ุฑูˆุฑู‹ุง ุจุงู„ุนู„ุงู…ุงุช ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑูŠุฉ ูˆุญุชู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‡ู„ูƒูŠู†ุŒ
12:02
everyone gets to see who is playing the game,
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ุณูŠุชุงุจุน ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ุงุฑุณ ุงู„ู„ุนุจุฉุŒ
12:05
who is protecting the Earth, and who doesn't care.
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุญู…ูŠ ูƒูˆูƒุจ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุง ูŠุนุจุฃ ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
12:07
And that'll cost about a million dollars a week,
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ุณุชูƒูˆู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ุชูƒู„ูุฉ ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง ุนู†ุฏ ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ ุฃุณุจูˆุนูŠู‹ุงุŒ
12:10
and we're going to underwrite that for five years.
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ูˆุณู†ุถู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฎู…ุณ ุณู†ูŠู†.
12:12
Total contribution is circa 300 million US dollars.
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ุงู„ู…ุณุงู‡ู…ุฉ ุงู„ูƒู„ูŠุฉ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 300 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒูŠ.
12:15
CA: Wow.
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูˆุงูˆ!
12:16
Now --
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ุงู„ุขู†...
12:18
(Applause)
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(ุชุตููŠู‚)
12:23
You've talked to other companies, like to the Coca-Colas of this world,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุญุฏุซุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุดุฑูƒุงุช ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุนู„ู‰ ุบุฑุงุฑ ูƒูˆูƒุงูƒูˆู„ุงุŒ
12:26
who are willing to do this, they're willing to pay a higher price,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุงู„ุฑุบุจุฉ ููŠ ูุนู„ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ูˆุฅู†ู‡ู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ุฏูุน ุฃุนู„ู‰ ุซู…ู†ุŒ
12:29
they would like to pay a higher price,
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ูˆุฅู†ู‡ู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ุฏูุน ุฃุนู„ู‰ ุซู…ู†ุŒ
12:31
so long as it's fair.
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุนุงุฏู„ู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
12:32
AF: Yeah, it's fair.
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ุฃ.ู: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุนุงุฏู„ู‹ุง.
12:35
So, Coca-Cola wouldn't like Pepsi to play ball
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูุฅู† ูƒูˆูƒุงูƒูˆู„ุง ู„ุง ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุชุฑูƒู„ ุจูŠุจุณูŠ ุงู„ูƒูุฑุฉ
12:38
unless the whole world knew that Pepsi wasn't playing ball.
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ู…ุง ู„ู… ูŠุนุฑู ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุฃุฌู…ุน ุจุฃู† ุจูŠุจุณูŠ ู„ุง ุชุฑูƒู„ ุงู„ูƒุฑุฉ.
12:41
Then they don't care.
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูุฅู†ู‡ู… ู„ุง ูŠุนุจุคูˆู†.
12:42
So it's that transparency of the market
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ูˆุนู„ูŠู‡ ูุฅู† ุดูุงููŠุฉ ุงู„ุณูˆู‚ ุชู„ูƒ
12:45
where, if people try and cheat the system,
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ุญูŠู† ูŠุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ุฃู† ูŠุบุด ุงู„ู†ุธุงู…ุŒ
12:47
the market can see it, the consumers can see it.
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ูุฅู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุณูˆู‚ ู…ุชุงุจุนุฉ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูˆุงู„ู…ุณุชู‡ู„ูƒูˆู† ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ูƒุดูู‡.
12:50
The consumers want a role to play in this.
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ุฅู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‡ู„ูƒูŠู† ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ู‚ุงุนุฏุฉู‹ ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง ุงู„ู„ุนุจ.
12:52
Seven and a half billion of us.
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ุณุจุนุฉ ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑุงุช ูˆู†ุตู ู…ู† ุงู„ุจุดุฑ.
12:53
We don't want our world smashed by a hundred companies.
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ุฅู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ู„ู…ุฆุฉ ุดุฑูƒุฉ ุฃู† ุชุณุญู‚ ุนุงู„ู…ู†ุง.
12:56
CA: Well, so tell us, you've said what the companies can do
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ูƒ.ุง: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุญุฏุซู†ุง ุนู† ู…ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุงู„ุดุฑูƒุงุช ู„ู„ุนู…ู„
12:59
and what you're willing to do.
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ูˆู…ุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู…ุทู„ูˆุจ ู…ู†ู‡ู….
13:00
What can people listening do?
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ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูุนู„ู‡ุŸ
13:02
AF: OK, so I would like all of us,
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ุฃ.ู: ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุนุŒ
13:04
all around the world,
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ูƒู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
13:05
to go a website called noplasticwaste.org.
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ุฃู† ูŠุฒูˆุฑุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน: "noplasticwaste.org".
13:08
You contact your hundred resin producers
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ูˆู„ุณูˆู ุชุชุตู„ ุจู…ุฆุงุช ู…ู† ู…ู†ุชุฌูŠ ุงู„ุตู…ุบูŠุงุช
13:10
which are in your region.
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ููŠ ู†ุทุงู‚ูƒ ุงู„ุฅู‚ู„ูŠู…ูŠ.
13:12
You will have at least one
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ุณูˆู ุชุชุตู„ ุจูˆุงุญุฏ ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„
13:14
within an email or Twitter or a telephone contact from you,
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ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุจุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠ ุฃูˆ ุชูˆูŠุชุฑ ุฃูˆ ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุงุชููŠ ู…ู†ูƒุŒ
13:18
and let them know that you would like them to make a contribution to a fund
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ูˆุฏุนู‡ู… ูŠูƒุชุดููˆุง ุฃู†ู‘ูƒ ุฑุงุบุจูŒ ููŠู‡ู…ุŒ ูˆุฃู†ูƒ ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุงู‡ู…ุฉ ูˆุงู„ุชู…ูˆูŠู„
13:23
which industry can manage or the World Bank can manage.
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ุฃูŠ ู…ุตู†ุน ูŠุณุชุทูŠุน ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุจู†ูƒ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ูŠุณุชุทูŠุน ุฐู„ูƒ.
13:26
It raises tens of billions of dollars per year
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ุฅู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุฏุฑู‘ ุนุดุฑุงุช ุงู„ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุงุช ุณู†ูˆูŠู‹ุง
13:30
so you can transition the industry to getting all its plastic from plastic,
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุชุญูˆูŠู„ ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ู„ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ
13:35
not from fossil fuel.
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃุญููˆุฑูŠ.
13:36
We don't need that. That's bad. This is good.
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ุฅู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ. ู‡ุฐุง ุณูŠู‰ุก. ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฌูŠุฏ.
13:38
And it can clean up the environment.
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ูˆู…ู† ุดุฃู†ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุธุงูุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
13:40
We've got enough capital there,
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ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฑุฃุณู…ุงู„ู ูˆููŠุฑ ู‡ู†ุงุŒ
13:42
we've got tens of billions of dollars, Chris, per annum
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ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุนุดุฑุงุช ุงู„ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุงุช ุณู†ูˆูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูŠุง ูƒุฑูŠุณุŒ
13:45
to clean up the environment.
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ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุธุงูุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ.
13:46
CA: You're in the recycling business.
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅู†ูƒ ุชุนู…ู„ ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ.
13:48
Isn't this a conflict of interest for you,
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ุฃู„ูŠุณ ุซู…ุฉ ุชุนุงุฑุถ ู…ุตุงู„ุญ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูƒุŒ
13:50
or rather, a huge business opportunity for you?
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ุจุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุฃู„ุง ูŠูˆูุฑ ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ูุฑุตุฉ ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุถุฎู…ุฉุŸ
13:52
AF: Yeah, look, I'm in the iron ore business,
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ุฃ.ู: ุจู„ู‰ุŒ ุงู†ุธุฑุŒ ุฅู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนู…ู„ ููŠ ุฎุงู… ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุฏุŒ
13:54
and I compete against the scrap metal business,
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ูˆุฃู†ุงููุณ ุชุฌุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุนุฏู†ูŠุฉุŒ
13:57
and that's why you don't have any scrap lying around to trip over,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ูˆุฑุงุก ุนุฏู… ุฑุคูŠุชูƒ ุฃูŠ ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ููŠ ุทุฑูŠู‚ูƒุŒ
14:00
and cut your toe on,
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ุฃูˆ ุฃู† ุชุญุฏุซ ุจูƒ ุฌุฑุญู‹ุงุŒ
14:01
because it gets collected.
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ุจุณุจุจ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุฌู…ุนู‡ุง.
14:03
CA: This isn't your excuse to go into the plastic recycling business.
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ุฅู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู…ุจุฑุฑู‹ุง ู„ู„ุฏุฎูˆู„ ููŠ ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุฅุนุงุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑ.
14:06
AF: No, I am going to cheer for this boom.
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ุฃ.ู: ูƒู„ู‘ุงุŒ ุณูˆู ุฃุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุดุฌูŠุน ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„.
14:08
This will be the internet of plastic waste.
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ู†ูุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ุจู„ุงุณุชูŠูƒ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช.
14:11
This will be a boom industry which will spread all over the world,
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู†ุงุชุฌ ุงุฒุฏู‡ุงุฑ ุงู„ุตู†ุงุนุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชุชูˆุฒู‘ุน ููŠ ูƒู„ ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
14:14
and particularly where poverty is worst because that's where the rubbish is most,
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ูˆุจุฎุงุตุฉ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุทู‚ ุงู„ูู‚ูŠุฑุฉุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ุงู†ุชุดุงุฑ ุงู„ู†ูุงูŠุงุชุŒ
14:18
and that's the resource.
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ูˆุชู„ูƒ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุซุฑูˆุฉ.
14:19
So I'm going to cheer for it and stand back.
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ูˆู„ุฐูƒ ูุฅู†ู†ูŠ ุณูˆู ุฃุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุดุฌูŠุนู‡ุง ูˆุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆู ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌูˆุงุฑู‡ุง.
14:23
CA: Twiggy, we're in an era
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ูƒ.ุฃ: ูŠุง ุชูˆูŠุบูŠุŒ ุฅู†ู†ุง ููŠ ุนุตุฑู
14:24
where so many people around the world are craving a new, regenerative economy,
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ูŠู‚ูˆู… ููŠู‡ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุจู†ุญุช ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏ ุฌุฏูŠุฏุŒ
14:29
these big supply chains, these big industries,
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุณู„ุณุฉ ุฏุนู… ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุตู†ุงุนุงุช ุถุฎู…ุฉุŒ
14:31
to fundamentally transform.
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ุชุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ุจุดูƒู„ู ุฃุณุงุณูŠ.
14:33
It strikes me as a giant idea,
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ุฃุฐู‡ู„ุชู†ูŠ ูƒููƒุฑุฉ ุนู…ู„ุงู‚ุฉุŒ
14:35
and you're going to need a lot of people cheering you on your way
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ูˆุฅู†ูƒ ู„ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู„ูŠู‚ุฏู…ูˆุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุฏ ุงู„ุนูˆู† ููŠ ุทุฑูŠู‚ูƒุŒ ูˆู„ูŠุดุฌุนูˆู†ูƒ
14:38
to make it happen.
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ุญุชู‰ ูŠุตูŠุฑ ู‡ุฐุง ูˆุงู‚ุนู‹ุง.
14:39
Thank you for sharing this with us.
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ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ุฃู†ู’ ุดุงุฑูƒุช ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุนู†ุง.
14:41
AF: Thank you very much. Thank you, Chris.
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ุฃ.ู: ุฃุดูƒุฑูƒู… ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ุฌุฒูŠู„ู‹ุง. ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒุŒ ูƒุฑูŠุณ.
14:43
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ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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