What happened when we paired up thousands of strangers to talk politics | Jochen Wegner

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: Ghada Khalil ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: Esraa Abdullzaher
00:12
Now, this is Joanna.
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุฌููˆุงู†ุง.
00:14
Joanna works at a university in Poland.
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ุชุนู…ู„ ุฌููˆุงู†ุง ููŠ ุฌุงู…ุนุฉ ููŠ ุจูˆู„ู†ุฏุง.
00:18
And one Saturday morning at 3am,
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ูˆููŠ ุตุจุงุญ ุฃุญุฏ ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุณุจุช ููŠ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซุฉ ุตุจุงุญู‹ุงุŒ
00:20
she got up, packed her rucksack
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ุงุณุชูŠู‚ุธูŽุชุŒ ูˆุญุฒูŽู…ูŽุช ุญู‚ูŠุจุฉ ุธู‡ุฑู‡ุง
00:23
and traveled more than a thousand kilometers,
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ุซู… ุณุงูุฑูŽุช ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฃู„ู ูƒูŠู„ูˆ ู…ุชุฑู
00:26
only to have a political argument
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ูู‚ุท ู„ุชุญุธู‰ ุจู†ูู‚ุงุดู ุณูŠุงุณูŠ
00:28
with a stranger.
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ู…ุน ุดุฎุตู ู„ุง ุชุนุฑูู‡.
00:31
His name is Christof, and he's a customer manager from Germany.
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ุงุณู…ู‡ ูƒุฑูŠุณุชูˆูุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ู…ุฏูŠุฑ ุฎุฏู…ุฉ ุนูู…ู„ุงุก ู…ู† ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง.
ูˆุงู„ุงุซู†ูŠู† ู„ู… ูŠู„ุชู‚ูŠุง ู…ูุณุจู‚ู‹ุง ู‚ูŽุท.
00:35
And the two had never met before.
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00:36
They only knew that they were totally at odds over European politics,
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ูƒุงู†ุง ูŠุนู„ู…ุงู† ูู‚ุท ุฃู†ู‡ู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฎู„ุงูู ุชุงู… ุจุดุฃู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุงุช ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠุฉุŒ
00:41
over migration, or the relationship to Russia or whatever.
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ูˆู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุงู„ู‡ุฌุฑุฉุŒ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู…ุน ุฑูˆุณูŠุง ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„.
00:45
And they were arguing for almost one day.
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ูˆุงุณุชู…ุฑุง ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ู„ูŠูˆู…ู ูƒุงู…ู„ู ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง.
00:49
And after that, Joanna sent me a somewhat irritating email.
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃุฑุณู„ุช ู„ูŠ ุฌููˆุงู†ุง ุฑุณุงู„ุฉ ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠุฉ ู…ูุฒุนุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏู ู…ุง.
00:56
"That was really cool, and I enjoyed every single minute of it!"
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"ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุฑุงุฆุนู‹ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ ูˆุงุณุชู…ุชุนุชู ุจูƒู„ ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุฉู ู…ู†ู‡!"
01:00
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
01:01
So these are Tom from the UK and Nils from Germany.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุงู† ู‡ู…ุง ุชูˆู… ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ู„ูƒุฉ ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉุŒ ูˆู†ูŠู„ุฒ ู…ู† ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง.
01:06
They also were strangers,
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุง ู„ุง ูŠุนุฑูุงู† ุจุนุถู‡ู…ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ
01:08
and they are both supporters of their local football team,
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ูˆูƒู„ู‘ูŒ ู…ู†ู‡ู…ุง ูŠุดุฌุน ูุฑูŠู‚ู‡ ุงู„ู…ูŽุญู„ูŠ ู„ูƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏู…ุŒ
01:11
as you may imagine, Borussia Dortmund and Tottenham Hotspurs.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุชูˆู‚ุนูˆู†ุŒ ุจูˆุฑูˆุณูŠุง ุฏูˆุฑุชู…ูˆู†ุฏ ูˆุชูˆุชู†ู‡ุงู… ู‡ูˆุชุณุจูŠุฑุฒ.
01:16
And so they met on the very spot where football roots were invented,
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ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุงู„ุชู‚ูŠุง ููŠ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ุฌุฐูˆุฑ ูƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏู…ุŒ
01:19
on some field in Cambridge.
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ููŠ ู…ู„ุนุจู ู…ุง ููŠ ูƒุงู…ุจุฑูŠุฏุฌ.
01:22
And they didn't argue about football,
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ูˆู„ู… ูŠุชู†ุงู‚ุดุง ุญูˆู„ ูƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฏู…ุŒ
01:24
but about Brexit.
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ุจู„ ุญูˆู„ ุงู†ุณุญุงุจ ุฅู†ุฌู„ุชุฑุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠ.
01:26
And after talking for many hours about this contentious topic,
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุญุฏูŠุซู‡ู…ุง ู„ุนุฏุฉ ุณุงุนุงุชู ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุงู„ู…ูุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุฌุฏู„ุŒ
01:31
they also sent a rather unexpected email.
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ุฃุฑุณู„ุง ู„ูŠ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฑุณุงู„ุฉู ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุชูˆู‚ุนุฉู ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏู ู…ุง.
01:35
"It was delightful, and we both enjoyed it very much."
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"ู„ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู…ุชุนู‹ุงุŒ ูˆูƒูู„ุงู†ุง ุงุณุชู…ุชุนู†ุง ุจู‡ ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุง."
01:39
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
01:41
So in spring 2019,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ููŠ ุฑุจูŠุน ุนุงู… 2019ุŒ
01:46
more than 17,000 Europeans from 33 countries
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ู‚ุงู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† 17000 ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠู‘ู ู…ู† 33 ุฏูˆู„ุฉ
01:52
signed up to have a political argument.
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ุจุงู„ุชุณุฌูŠู„ ู„ูŠูุดุงุฑูƒูˆุง ููŠ ู†ู‚ุงุดู ุณูŠุงุณูŠ.
01:55
Thousands crossed their borders to meet a stranger with a different opinion,
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ุนุจูŽุฑ ุงู„ุขู„ุงู ุญุฏูˆุฏู‡ู…ุŒ ู„ูŠู‚ุงุจู„ ูƒู„ูŒ ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ุบุฑูŠุจู‹ุง ุนู†ู‡ ูˆู„ู‡ ุฑุฃูŠูŒ ู…ูุฎุงู„ู ู„ุฑุฃูŠู‡ุŒ
02:00
and they were all part of a project called "Europe Talks."
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ูˆูƒุงู†ูˆุง ูƒู„ู‡ู… ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ู…ุดุฑูˆุนู ุงุณู…ู‡ "ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ."
02:05
Now, talking about politics amongst people with different opinions
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠุŒ ุฃุตุจุญ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ูˆุณุท ุฃุดุฎุงุตู ู„ู‡ู… ุขุฑุงุกูŒ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ
02:09
has become really difficult,
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ุฃู…ุฑู‹ุง ุตุนุจู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
02:12
not only in Europe.
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ู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ููŠ ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุงุŒ
02:14
Families are splitting, friends no longer talk to each other.
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ุญูŠุซ ุฃุตุจุญุช ุงู„ุนุงุฆู„ุงุช ู…ู†ู‚ุณู…ุฉุŒ ูˆู„ู… ูŠุนูุฏ ุงู„ุฃุตุฏู‚ุงุก ูŠุชุญุฏุซูˆู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุนุถู‡ู…ุŒ
02:17
We stay in our bubbles.
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ูˆู†ุธู„ ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ููŠ ููู‚ุงุนุงุชู†ุง.
02:19
And these so-called filter bubbles are amplified by social media,
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ูˆุชุถุฎู… ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุตูู„ ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุฉ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ููู‚ุงุนุงุช ุงู„ุฅู‚ุตุงุฆูŠุฉุŒ
02:24
but they are not, in the core, a digital product.
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‘ู‡ุง ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุงุŒ ู„ู… ุชู†ุดุฃ ูƒู†ุชูŠุฌุฉ ู„ู„ุนุตุฑ ุงู„ุฑู‚ู…ูŠ ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠ.
02:28
The filter bubble has always been there.
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ูููู‚ุงุนุงุช ุงู„ุฅู‚ุตุงุก ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู†ุช ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุฉุŒ
02:30
It's in our minds.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุนู‚ูˆู„ู†ุง.
02:32
As many studies repeatedly have shown,
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุฃุดุงุฑุช ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณุงุช ุจุดูƒู„ู ู…ูุชูƒุฑุฑุŒ
02:36
we, for example, ignore effects that contradict our convictions.
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ูู†ุญู† ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ุŒ ู†ุชุฌุงู‡ู„ ุงู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุชุนุงุฑุถ ู…ุน ู‚ูŽู†ุงุนุงุชู†ุง.
02:42
So correcting fake news is definitely necessary,
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ูุชุตุญูŠุญ ุงู„ุฃุฎุจุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุฒูŠูุฉ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑูŒ ุถุฑูˆุฑูŠ ุจู„ุง ุดูƒุŒ
02:46
but it's not sufficient to get a divided society
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ ุบูŠุฑ ูƒุงูู ู„ุฌุนู„ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุงู„ู…ูู†ู‚ุณู…
02:50
to rethink itself.
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ูŠูุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ููŠ ู…ุง ูŠุญุฏูุซ ููŠู‡.
02:52
Fortunately, according to at least some research,
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ู„ูุญูุณู† ุงู„ุญุธุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ูˆูู‚ู‹ุง ู„ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุจุญุงุซุŒ
02:56
there may be a simple way to get a new perspective:
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ุฑูุจู‘ู…ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุณู‡ู„ุฉ ู„ู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ู†ุธูˆุฑู ุฌุฏูŠุฏุ›
02:59
a personal one-on-one discussion
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠ ูˆุฌู‡ู‹ุง ู„ูˆูŽุฌู‡
03:02
with someone who doesn't have your opinion.
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ู…ุน ุดุฎุตู ู…ูุฎุชู„ู ู…ุนูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุฑุฃูŠ.
03:06
It enables you to see the world in a new way,
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ุญูŠุซู ูŠูู…ูƒู‘ู†ูƒ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุจุดูƒู„ู ุฌุฏูŠุฏุŒ
03:10
through someone else's eyes.
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ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุขุฎูŽุฑ.
03:14
Now, I'm the editor of "ZEIT ONLINE,"
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ุญุงู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุชุญุฑูŠุฑ "ุณุงูŠุช ุฃูˆู†ู„ุงูŠู†"ุŒ
03:18
one of the major digital news organizations in Germany.
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุงุช ุงู„ุฅุฎุจุงุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฑู‚ู…ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง.
03:22
And we started what became "Europe Talks" as a really modest editorial exercise.
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ูˆุฃู†ุดุฃู†ุง "ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ"ุŒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒุงู† ููŠ ุฃูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู†ุดุงุท ุตุญููŠ ู…ุชูˆุงุถุน ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
03:28
As many journalists,
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ูˆูƒุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตุญููŠูŠู†ุŒ
03:29
we were impressed by Trump and by Brexit,
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ูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู…ูุชุฃุซุฑูŠู† ุจุฃุฎุจุงุฑ ุชุฑุงู…ุจ ูˆุงู†ุณุญุงุจ ุฅู†ุฌู„ุชุฑุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠุŒ
03:33
and Germany was getting divided, too, especially over the issue of migration.
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ูˆูƒุฐู„ูƒ ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู… ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง ุญูˆู„ ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุงู„ู‡ุฌุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุฌู‡ ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุฏ.
03:38
So the arrival of more than a million refugees in 2015 and 2016
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ููˆุตูˆู„ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ู„ุงุฌุฆ ููŠ ุนุงู…ูŽูŠ 2015 ูˆ2016
03:43
dominated somewhat the debate.
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ูƒุงู† ู…ูุณูŠุทุฑู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏู ู…ุง.
03:46
And when we were thinking about our own upcoming election in 2017,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู†ูููƒุฑ ููŠ ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจุงุชู†ุง ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู…ุฉ ููŠ 2017ุŒ
03:51
we definitely knew that we had to reinvent the way we were dealing with politics.
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ูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู†ุนู„ูŽู… ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุชุนุงู…ู„ ุจู‡ุง ู…ุน ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ.
03:56
So digital nerds that we are,
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ูˆู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎุจุฑุงุก ุงู„ู…ู‡ูˆูˆุณูŠู† ุจุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุงู„ุฑู‚ู…ูŠุฉุŒ
03:59
we came up with obviously many very strange digital product ideas,
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ุชูˆุตู‘ูŽู„ู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃููƒุงุฑ ู„ู…ู†ุชุฌุงุชู ุฑู‚ู…ูŠุฉ ุดุฏูŠุฏุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑุงุจุฉ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏุŒ
04:06
one of them being a Tinder for politics --
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ุฃุญุฏู‡ุง ูƒุงู† ุฃุดุจู‡ ุจุชุทุจูŠู‚ ุชูู†ุฏูŽุฑ ู„ู„ู…ูˆุงุนุฏุฉุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‘ู‡ ุฎุงุต ุจุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉุŒ
04:09
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
04:11
a dating platform for political opposites,
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ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ู…ูˆุงุนูŽุฏุฉ ู„ู„ู…ูุฎุชู„ููŠู† ุณูŠุงุณูŠู‹ุงุŒ
04:16
a tool that could help get people together with different opinions.
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ูˆุฃุฏุงุฉ ู‚ุฏ ุชูุณุงุนุฏ ููŠ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง ุจุฑุบู… ุขุฑุงุฆู‡ู… ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
04:20
And we decided to test it
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ุซูู… ู‚ุฑุฑู†ุง ุงุฎุชุจุงุฑู‡ุŒ
04:23
and launched what techies would call a "minimum viable product."
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ูˆุฃุทู„ู‚ู†ุง ู…ุง ูŠูุณู…ูŠู‡ ุฎูุจุฑุงุก ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง "ู…ู†ุชุฌ ุงู„ุญุฏ ุงู„ุฃุฏู†ู‰".
04:27
So it was really simple.
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ูˆู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุณู‡ู„ู‹ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
04:29
We called it "Deutschland spricht" -- "Germany Talks" --
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ูˆุฃุทู„ู‚ู†ุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุงุณู… "ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ"ุŒ
04:33
and we started with that in May 2017.
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ูˆุจุฏุฃู†ุง ุจุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ู…ุงูŠูˆ 2017.
04:39
And it was really simple.
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุจุณูŠุทู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
04:42
We used mainly Google Forms,
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ุงุณุชุฎุฏู…ู†ุง ุงุณุชู…ุงุฑุงุช ุฌูˆุฌู„ ุจุดูƒู„ู ุฃุณุงุณูŠุŒ
04:45
a tool that each and every one of us here can use to make surveys online.
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุฃุฏุงุฉ ูŠุณุชุทูŠุน ูƒู„ ูˆุงุญุฏู ู…ู†ู‘ูŽุง ู‡ู†ุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู…ู‡ุง ู„ุนู…ูŽู„ ุงุณุชุทู„ุงุนุงุชู ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช.
04:51
And everywhere in our content, we embedded simple questions like this:
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ูˆููŠ ูƒู„ ุฌุฒุกู ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุญุชูˆูŽู‰ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู†ุงู‡ุŒ ูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู†ูุถูŠู ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉู‹ ุจุณูŠุทุฉู‹ ู…ุซู„:
04:56
"Did Germany take in too many refugees?"
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"ู‡ู„ ุงุณุชู‚ุจู„ูŽุช ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง ุนุฏุฏู‹ุง ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู„ุงุฒู… ู…ู† ุงู„ู„ุงุฌุฆูŠู†ุŸ"
05:00
You click yes or no.
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ูˆูŠุฌูŠุจ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุจู†ุนู… ุฃูˆ ู„ุง.
05:02
We asked you more questions, like, "Does the West treat Russia fairly?"
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ุซู„: "ู‡ู„ ูŠูุนุงู…ู„ ุงู„ุบุฑุจ ุฑูˆุณูŠุง ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุนุงุฏู„ุฉุŸ"
05:07
or, "Should gay couples be allowed to marry?"
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ุฃูˆ "ู‡ู„ ูŠุฌุจ ุงู„ุณู…ุงุญ ู„ู„ู…ุซู„ูŠูŠู† ุจุงู„ุฒูˆุงุฌุŸ"
05:10
And if you answered all these questions, we asked one more question:
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ุฃุฌุงุจ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุนู† ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉุŒ ูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู†ุณุฃู„ู‡ ุณุคุงู„ู‹ุง ุฅุถุงููŠู‹ุง ู‡ูˆ:
05:13
"Hey, would you like to meet a neighbor who totally disagrees with you?"
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"ู‡ู„ ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ู…ูู‚ุงุจู„ุฉ ุฌุงุฑู ูŠุฎุชู„ู ู…ุนูƒ ูƒูู„ูŠู‹ุงุŸ
05:17
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
05:20
So this was a really simple experiment with no budget whatsoever.
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ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ูุฌุฑุฏ ุชุฌุฑุจุฉ ุจุณูŠุทุฉ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ ุจุฏูˆู† ุฃูŠ ู…ูŠุฒุงู†ูŠุฉ ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„.
05:25
We expected some hundred-ish people to register,
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ูˆุชูˆู‚ู‘ุนู†ุง ุฃู† ูŠุชุณุฌู„ ู‚ูุฑุงุจุฉ ู…ุงุฆุฉ ุดุฎุต ูู‚ุทุŒ
05:30
and we planned to match them by hand, the pairs.
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ูˆูƒูู†ู‘ูŽุง ู†ู†ูˆูŠ ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑู‡ู… ูˆุฌู…ุนู‡ู… ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉู ูŠุฏูˆูŠุฉุŒ ููŠ ุซูู†ุงุฆูŠุงุช.
05:34
And after one day, 1,000 people had registered.
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ูŠูˆู…ู ูˆุงุญุฏุŒ ูƒุงู† 1000 ุดุฎุตู ู‚ุฏ ุณุฌู‘ูŽู„ูˆุง.
05:39
And after some weeks, 12,000 Germans had signed up
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุนุฏุฉ ุฃุณุงุจูŠุนุŒ ูƒุงู† 12000 ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู…ุงู† ู‚ุฏ ุณุฌู‘ูŽู„ูˆุง
05:44
to meet someone else with a different opinion.
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ู„ูŠู„ุชู‚ูŠ ูƒู„ู‘ูŒ ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุจุดุฎุตู ุขุฎุฑ ุฐูŠ ุฑุฃูŠู ู…ูุฎุงู„ูู ู„ุฑุฃูŠู‡.
05:47
So we had a problem.
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
05:48
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
05:50
We hacked a quick and dirty algorithm
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ูู„ุฌุฃู†ุง ู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ุฎูˆุงุฑุฒู…ูŠุฉ ุณุฑูŠุนุฉ
05:53
that would find the perfect Tinder matches,
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ู„ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ูˆุชุญุฏูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ู…ูู†ุงุณุจูŠู†ุŒ
05:56
like people living as close as possible having answered the questions
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ูƒุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ู‚ุงุทู†ูŠู† ููŠ ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ู‚ุฑูŠุจุฉ ู…ู† ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุจู‚ุฏุฑ ุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู†
06:01
as differently as possible.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฅุฌุงุจุงุชู‡ู… ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ูุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
06:04
We introduced them via email.
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ูˆุนุฑู‘ูู†ุงู‡ู… ุจุจุนุถ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุจุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠ.
06:07
And, as you may imagine, we had many concerns.
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ูˆุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูƒู… ุชุฎูŠู‘ูู„ ูƒู… ุงู„ู…ุฎุงูˆู ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง.
06:12
Maybe no one would show up in real life.
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ูุฑูุจู…ุง ู„ุง ูŠุฃุชูŠ ุฃุญุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
06:16
Maybe all the discussions in real life would be awful.
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุดุงุช ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนูŠุฉ ุญุงุฏุฉ ูˆู…ูุฑูˆุนุฉ.
06:21
Or maybe we had an axe murderer in our database.
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ุฃูˆ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู‚ุงุชู„ ููŠ ู‚ุงุนุฏุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
06:24
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
06:26
But then, on a Sunday in June 2017,
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ุŒ ููŠ ูŠูˆู… ุฃุญุฏู ู…ู† ุดู‡ุฑ ูŠูˆู†ูŠูˆ 2017ุŒ
06:31
something beautiful happened.
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ุญุฏูŽุซ ุดูŠุก ุฌู…ูŠู„.
06:34
Thousands of Germans met in pairs and talked about politics peacefully.
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ุงู„ุชู‚ู‰ูŽ ุขู„ุงู ุงู„ุฃู„ู…ุงู† ููŠ ุซูู†ุงุฆูŠุงุชู ูˆุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซูˆุง ููŠ ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุจุณู„ุงู….
06:40
Like Anno.
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ู…ุซู„ ุขู†ูˆุŒ
06:42
He's a former policeman who's against -- or was against -- gay marriage,
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุดุฑุทูŠู‘ูŒ ุณุงุจู‚ ูˆุถุฏุŒ ุฃูˆ ูƒุงู† ุถุฏุŒ ุฒูˆุงุฌ ุงู„ู…ุซู„ูŠูŠู†ุŒ
06:46
and Anne, she's an engineer who lives in a domestic partnership
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ูˆุขู†ูŠุŒ ูˆู‡ูŠ ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณุฉ ุชุนูŠุด ููŠ ุดุฑุงูƒุฉู ู…ู†ุฒู„ูŠุฉู
06:50
with another woman.
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ู…ุน ุงู…ุฑุฃุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
06:52
And they were talking for hours about all the topics
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุง ูŠุชุญุฏุซุงู† ู„ุณุงุนุงุชู ุนู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุถูŠุน
06:55
where they had different opinions.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุฎุชู„ูุงู† ููŠ ุขุฑุงุฆู‡ู…ุง ุญูˆู„ู‡ุง.
06:57
At one point, Anno told us later,
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ุนู†ุฏ ู†ู‚ุทุฉู ู…ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุฃุฎุจุฑูŽู†ุง ุขู†ูˆ ู„ุงุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ
07:00
he realized that Anne was hurt by his statements about gay marriage,
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ุฃุฏุฑูƒ ุฃู† ุชุตุฑูŠุญุงุชู‡ ุจุดุฃู† ุฒูˆุงุฌ ุงู„ู…ุซู„ูŠูŠู† ุฌุฑุญุช ู…ุดุงุนุฑ ุขู†ูŠุŒ
07:06
and he started to question his own assumptions.
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ูˆุจุฏุฃ ููŠ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ูˆุงู„ุดูƒ ููŠ ุงูุชุฑุงุถุงุชู‡ ุงู„ุณุงุจู‚ุฉ.
07:09
And after talking for three hours,
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุชุญุฏู‘ูุซ ู…ุนู‹ุง ู„ู…ุฏุฉ ุซู„ุงุซ ุณุงุนุงุชูุŒ
07:12
Anne invited Anno to her summer party,
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ุฏุนุช ุขู†ูŠ ุขู†ูˆ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญูู„ู‡ุง ุงู„ุตูŠููŠุŒ
07:15
and today, years later,
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ูˆุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ ุจุนุฏ ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ุนุฏุฉ ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ
07:17
they still meet from time to time and are friends.
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ุฃุตุจุญุง ุตุฏูŠู‚ูŽูŠู† ูˆู…ุง ุฒุงู„ุง ูŠู„ุชู‚ูŠุงู† ู…ู† ุญูŠู†ู ู„ุขุฎูŽุฑ.
07:21
So our algorithm matched, for example, this court bailiff.
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ูƒู…ุง ุฌู…ุน ุชุทุจูŠู‚ู†ุงุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ุŒ ุจูŠู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูุญุถู‘ุฑ ุงู„ู‚ุถุงุฆูŠุŒ
07:25
He's also a spokesperson of the right-wing populist party AfD in Germany,
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ุงู„ู…ูุชุญุฏู‘ุซ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจุงุณู… ุงู„ุญุฒุจ ุงู„ูŠู…ูŠู†ูŠ ุงู„ุดู‘ูุนุจูŽูˆูŠ "ุงู„ุจุฏูŠู„ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง"ุŒ
07:31
and this counselor for pregnant women.
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ูˆุจูŠู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูุณุชุดุงุฑุฉ ู„ู„ู†ุณุงุก ุงู„ุญูˆุงู…ู„ุŒ
07:33
She used to be an active member of the Green Party.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ุนุถูˆู‹ุง ู†ูŽุดูุทู‹ุง ููŠ ุญุฒุจ ุงู„ุฎูุถุฑ.
07:36
We even matched this professor and his student.
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ูˆุฌู…ุนู†ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจูŠู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃุณุชุงุฐ ูˆุชู„ู…ูŠุฐูู‡.
07:41
(Laughter)
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07:45
It's an algorithm.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ ุงู„ุฎูˆุงุฑุฒู…ูŠุงุช.
07:47
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
07:48
We also matched a father-in-law and his very own daughter-in-law,
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ูƒู…ุง ุฌู…ุนู†ุง ุจูŠู† ุฑุฌู„ู ูˆุฒูˆุฌุฉ ุงุจู†ู‡ุŒ
07:55
because, obviously, they live close by but have really different opinions.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู…ุงุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏุŒ ูŠุนูŠุดุงู† ุจุงู„ู‚ูุฑุจ ู…ู† ุจุนุถู‡ู…ุง ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู…ุง ุฃููƒุงุฑ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
07:59
So as a general rule,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูƒู‚ุงุนุฏุฉู ุนุงู…ุฉุŒ
08:01
we did not observe, record, document the discussions,
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ู„ู… ู†ู‚ูู… ุจู…ู„ุงุญุธุฉุŒ ุฃูˆ ุชุณุฌูŠู„ ุฃูˆ ุชูˆุซูŠู‚ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูู†ุงู‚ุดุงุชุŒ
08:05
because we didn't want people to perform in any way.
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ู† ู†ูƒูู† ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู† ูŠุชุตุฑููˆุง ุจุดูƒู„ู ู…ูุนูŠู‘ูŽู†.
08:09
But I made an exception.
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ูู…ุชู ุจุงุณุชุซู†ุงุก.
08:11
I took part myself.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ูŠ ุดุงุฑูƒุชู ุจู†ูุณูŠ.
08:12
And so I met in my trendy Berlin neighborhood called Prenzlauer Berg,
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ูˆููŠ ุงู„ุญูŠ ุงู„ุนุตุฑูŠ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุณูƒูู† ุจู‡ ููŠ ุจุฑู„ูŠู† ูˆุงู„ู…ูุณู…ู‘ูŽู‰ ุจุฑูŠู†ุฒู„ุงูˆุฑ ุจูŠุฑุฌุŒ
08:18
I met Mirko.
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ู‚ุงุจู„ุชู ู…ูŠุฑูƒูˆ.
08:20
This is me talking to Mirko. Mirko didn't want to be in the picture.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุตูˆุฑุชูŠ ุฃุซู†ุงุก ุญุฏูŠุซูŠ ู…ุน ู…ูŠุฑูƒูˆุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‘ู‡ ู„ู… ูŠุฑุบุจ ุฃู† ูŠุธู‡ุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉ.
08:24
He's a young plant operator,
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุดุงุจ ูŠุนู…ู„ ูƒู…ูุดุบู‘ู„ ู…ุญุทุฉ ุตู†ุงุนูŠุฉุŒ
08:26
and he looked like all the hipsters in our area,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ูŠุจุฏูˆ ูƒูƒูู„ ุงู„ุดุจุงุจ ุงู„ุนุตุฑูŠูŠู† ููŠ ู…ู†ุทู‚ุชู†ุงุŒ
08:28
like with a beard and a beanie.
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ุฐูˆ ู„ุญูŠุฉู ูˆูŠุฑุชุฏูŠ ู‚ูุจู‘ุนุฉ.
08:30
We were talking for hours, and I found him to be a wonderful person.
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ุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซู†ุง ู„ุณุงุนุงุชู ูˆูˆุฌุฏุชู ุฃู†ู‡ ุดุฎุตูŒ ุฑุงุฆุน.
08:36
And despite the fact that we had really different opinions
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ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู† ุขุฑุงุฆู†ุง ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ูุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุญู‚ู‹ุง
08:39
about most of the topics --
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ุญูˆู„ ุฃุบู„ุจ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุถูŠุนุŒ
08:41
maybe with the exception of women's rights,
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ุฑูุจู…ุง ุจุงุณุชุซู†ุงุก ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุญู‚ูˆู‚ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฃุฉุŒ
08:43
where I couldn't comprehend his thoughts --
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู… ุฃุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ูู‡ู… ุฃููƒุงุฑู‡ุŒ
08:47
it was really nice.
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ุฅู„ุง ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ู„ุทูŠูู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
08:48
After our discussion, I Googled Mirko.
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุญุฏูŠุซู†ุงุŒ ุจุญุซุชู ุนู† ู…ูŠุฑูƒูˆ ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุฌูˆุฌู„.
08:52
And I found out that in his teenage years, he used to be a neo-Nazi.
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ูˆุงูƒุชุดูุชู ุฃู†ู‡ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุณู†ูŠู† ู…ูุฑุงู‡ู‚ุชู‡ุŒ ูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุฒูŠูŠู† ุงู„ุฌูุฏูุฏ.
08:59
So I called him and asked,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุงุชู‘ุตู„ุชู ุจู‡ ูˆุณุฃู„ุชู‡:
09:01
"Hey, why didn't you tell me?"
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"ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู„ู… ุชูุฎุจุฑู†ูŠ ุจุฐู„ูƒุŸ"
09:03
And he said, "You know, I didn't tell you because I want to get over it.
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ูˆู‚ุงู„: "ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ู… ุฃูุฎุจุฑูƒ ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุชุฎุทู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุŒ
09:07
I just don't want to talk about it anymore."
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ูˆู„ุง ุฃุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุญุฏู‘ูุซ ุนู†ู‡ ู…ูุทู„ู‚ู‹ุง."
09:13
I thought that people with a history like that could never change,
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ูƒูู†ุชู ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ู…ุงุถู ู…ุซู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู† ูŠุชุบูŠุฑูˆุง ุฃุจุฏู‹ุงุŒ
09:20
and I had to rethink my assumptions,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‘ ุฃู† ุฃูุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุจุดุฃู† ุขุฑุงุฆูŠุŒ
09:23
as did many of the participants who sent us thousands of emails
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ูƒุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู† ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃุฑุณู„ูˆุง ู„ู†ุง ุขู„ุงู ุงู„ุฑุณุงุฆู„ุŒ
09:27
and also selfies.
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ูˆุงู„ุตูˆุฑ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
09:32
No violence was recorded whatsoever.
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ูˆู„ู… ุชูุณุฌู‘ูŽู„ ุญุงู„ุงุช ุนูู†ู ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„.
09:34
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
09:35
And we just don't know if some of the pairs got married.
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ูˆู„ุง ู†ุนู„ูŽู… ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู‚ุฏ ุชุฒูˆุฌ ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุฃู… ู„ุง.
09:39
(Laughter)
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09:41
But, at least, we were really excited and wanted to do it again,
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ูˆู„ูƒู†ุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ุŒ ูƒูู†ู‘ุง ู…ูุชุญู…ุณูŠู† ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุฃุฑูŽุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ู…ูุฌุฏุฏู‹ุงุŒ
09:46
especially in version 2.0,
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ูˆููŠ ุงู„ู†ูุณุฎุฉ ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุฉ ุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ
09:48
wanted to expand the diversity of the participants,
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ุฃุฑูŽุฏู†ุง ุชูˆุณูŠุน ุฏุงุฆุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู†ุŒ
09:52
because obviously in the first round, they were mainly our readers.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุฌูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏุŒ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ู‚ูุฑู‘ุงุฆู†ุง ุจุดูƒู„ู ุฃุณุงุณูŠ.
09:57
And so we embraced our competition
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู†ุชู‡ุฒู†ุง ุงู„ูุฑุตุฉ
09:59
and asked other media outlets to join.
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ูˆุทู„ุจู†ุง ู…ู† ู…ู†ุตุงุช ุฅุนู„ุงู…ูŠุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุงู„ุงู†ุถู…ุงู… ุฅู„ูŠู†ุง.
10:03
We coordinated via Slack.
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ูˆู†ุณู‘ูŽู‚ู†ุง ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุจูŠู†ู†ุง ุนุจุฑ ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ุณู„ุงูƒ.
10:06
And this live collaboration among 11 major German media houses
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ูˆูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชุนุงูˆูู† ุงู„ู…ูุจุงุดุฑ ุจูŠู† 11 ู…ู† ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุงุช ุงู„ุฅุนู„ุงู…ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง
10:11
was definitely a first in Germany.
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ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ู† ู†ูˆุนู‡ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ.
10:13
The numbers more than doubled: 28,000 people applied this time.
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ูˆุฒุงุฏุช ุงู„ุฃุนุฏุงุฏ ุจุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุถู‘ูุนูุŒ ุญูŠุซ ู‚ุงู… 28000 ุดุฎุตู ุจุงู„ุชุณุฌูŠู„.
10:19
And the German president --
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ูˆุฃุตุจุญ ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุŒ
10:21
you see him here in the center of the picture --
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ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ู‡ู†ุง ููŠ ู…ูู†ุชุตู ุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉุŒ
10:23
became our patron.
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ุฑุงุนูŠู‹ุง ู„ู†ุง.
10:24
And so, thousands of Germans met again in the summer of 2018
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ุงุฌุชู…ุน ุงู„ุขู„ุงู ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู„ู…ุงู† ู…ูุฌุฏุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุตูŠู ุนุงู… 2018
10:31
to talk to someone else with a different opinion.
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ู„ูŠุชุญุฏู‘ุซ ูƒู„ู‘ูŒ ู…ู†ู‡ู… ู…ุน ุดุฎุตู ุขุฎุฑ ุฐูŠ ุขุฑุงุกู ู…ูุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
10:33
Some of the pairs we invited to Berlin to a special event.
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ูˆุฏูุนูŠ ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุฑู„ูŠู† ู„ุญุถูˆุฑ ู…ูู†ุงุณุจุฉู ู‡ุงู…ุฉ.
10:37
And there, this picture was taken,
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ ุงู„ุชูู‚ุทุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉุŒ
10:39
until today my favorite symbol for "Germany Talks."
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุชูุนุชุจุฑ ุฑู…ุฒูŠ ุงู„ู…ููุถู„ ูˆุงู„ู…ูุนุจู‘ุฑ ุนู† :ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ุซ."
10:43
You see Henrik, a bus driver and boxing trainer,
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ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู‡ู†ุฑูŠูƒุŒ ุณุงุฆู‚ ุญุงูู„ุฉ ูˆู…ูุฏุฑุจ ู…ูู„ุงูƒู…ุฉุŒ
10:47
and Engelbert, the director of a children's help center.
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ูˆุฅู†ุฌู„ุจุฑุชุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ู…ูุฏูŠุฑ ู…ุฑูƒุฒ ู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„.
10:51
They answered all of the seven questions we asked differently.
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ูƒุงู†ุง ู‚ุฏ ุฃุฌุงุจุง ุฅุฌุงุจุงุชู ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณุจุนุฉ ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุถุนู†ุงู‡ุง.
10:55
They had never met before this day,
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ูˆู„ู… ูŠุณุจู‚ ู„ู‡ู…ุง ุฃู† ุชู‚ุงุจู„ุง ู‚ุจู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
10:58
and they had a really intensive discussion
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ูˆุฏุงุฑ ุจูŠู†ู‡ู…ุง ู†ู‚ุงุด ู‚ูˆูŠ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ
11:00
and seemed to get along anyway
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุฏุง ุฃู†ู‡ู…ุง ุงู†ุณุฌู…ุง ู…ุนู‹ุง
11:04
with each other.
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ุจุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
11:05
So this time we also wanted to know
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุฑุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนุฑู
11:07
if the discussion would have any impact on the participants.
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ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุงุช ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ู‡ุง ุฃูŠ ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู†.
11:13
So we asked researchers to survey the participants.
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ูุทู„ุจู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุจุงุญุซูŠู† ุฅุฌุฑุงุก ุงุณุชุทู„ุงุน ุฑุฃูŠ ู„ู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู†.
11:17
And two-thirds of the participants said that they learned something
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู†ุชูŠุฌุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ุซูู„ุซูŽูŠ ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู† ู‚ุงู„ูˆุง ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุชุนู„ู‘ูŽู…ูˆุง ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง
11:21
about their partner's attitudes.
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ุนู† ุขุฑุงุก ูˆุณู„ูˆูƒ ุดุฑูŠูƒู‡ู….
11:23
Sixty percent agreed that their viewpoints converged.
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ูˆุงุชูู‚ ุณุชู‘ููˆู† ุจุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุญุฏูˆุซ ุชู‚ุงุฑูุจ ููŠ ูˆุฌู‡ุงุช ู†ุธุฑู‡ู….
11:28
The level of trust in society seemed also higher after the event,
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ูƒู…ุง ุจุฏุง ุฃู† ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ูุฌุชู…ุน ุงุฑุชูุน ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ู‚ุงุกุŒ
11:32
according to the researchers.
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ูˆูู‚ู‹ุง ู„ู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ู‡ ุงู„ุจุงุญุซูˆู†.
11:34
Ninety percent said that they enjoyed their discussion.
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ูˆู‚ุงู„ ุชุณุนูˆู† ุจุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุงุณุชู…ุชุนูˆุง ุจู†ูู‚ุงุดู‡ู….
11:37
Ten percent said they didn't enjoy their discussion,
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ุจูŠู†ู…ุง ู„ู… ูŠุณุชู…ุชุน ุนุดุฑุฉ ุจุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉุŒ
11:40
eight percent only because, simply, their partner didn't show up.
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ู…ู†ู‡ู… ุซู…ุงู†ูŠุฉ ุจุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ู„ู… ูŠุณุชู…ุชุนูˆุงุŒ ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ ู„ุฃู† ุดุฑูŠูƒู‡ู… ู„ู… ูŠุญุถุฑ.
11:44
(Laughter)
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(ุถุญูƒ)
11:46
After "Germany Talks," we got approached by many international media outlets,
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ุจุนุฏ "ุฃู„ู…ุงู†ูŠุง ุชุชุญุฏุซ"ุŒ ุชูˆุงุตูŽู„ุช ู…ุนู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุฅุนู„ุงู… ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉุŒ
11:51
and we decided this time to build a serious and secure platform.
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ูˆู‚ุฑุฑู†ุง ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃู† ู†ุจู†ูŠ ู…ู†ุตุฉู‹ ุฌุงุฏุฉู‘ู‹ ูˆุขู…ู†ุฉ.
11:57
We called it "My Country Talks."
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ูˆุฃุทู„ู‚ู†ุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง ุงุณู… "ุจู„ุฏูŠ ูŠุชุญุฏุซ."
11:59
And in this short period of time, "My Country Talks" has already been used
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ูˆููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ูุชุฑุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุตูŠุฑุฉุŒ ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ู†ุตุฉ "ุจู„ุฏูŠ ูŠุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ" ู‚ุฏ ุงุณุชูุฎุฏู…ุช
12:05
for more than a dozen local and national events
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ู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุนุดุฑุงุช ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจุงุช ุงู„ู…ุญู„ูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ู‚ูˆู…ูŠุฉ
12:07
like "Het grote gelijk" in Belgium or "Suomi puhuu" in Finland
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ู…ุซู„ "ุจู„ุฌูŠูƒุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ" ููŠ ุจู„ุฌูŠูƒุง ุฃูˆ "ูู†ู„ู†ุฏุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ" ููŠ ูู†ู„ู†ุฏุง
12:13
or "Britain Talks" in the UK.
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ุฃูˆ "ุจุฑูŠุทุงู†ูŠุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ" ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู…ู„ูƒุฉ ุงู„ู…ูุชุญุฏุฉ.
12:15
And as I mentioned at the beginning, we also launched "Europe Talks,"
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุฐูƒุฑุชู ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉุŒ ูู‚ุฏ ุฃุทู„ู‚ู†ุง "ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุง ุชุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ" ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ
12:20
together with 15 international media partners,
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ุจุงู„ุงุดุชุฑุงูƒ ู…ุน 15 ุดุฑูŠูƒู‹ุง ุฅุนู„ุงู…ูŠู‹ุง ุฏูˆู„ูŠู‹ุงุŒ
12:23
from the "Financial Times" in the UK to "Helsingin Sanomat" in Finland.
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ุจุฏุกู‹ุง ุจุฌุฑูŠุฏุฉ "ูุงูŠู†ุงู†ุดุงู„ ุชุงูŠู…ุฒ" ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ูˆูˆุตูˆู„ู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ "ู‡ูŠู„ุณูŠู†ุฌูŠู† ุณุงู†ูˆู…ุงุช" ุจูู†ู„ู†ุฏุง.
12:29
Thousands of Europeans met with a total stranger
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ุงู„ุชู‚ู‰ ุขู„ุงู ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠูŠู† ุจุฃุดุฎุงุตู ู„ุง ูŠุนุฑููˆู†ู‡ู…
12:32
to argue about politics.
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ู„ูŠุชู†ุงู‚ุดูˆุง ููŠ ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ.
12:34
So far, we have been approached by more than 150 global media outlets,
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ ุชูˆุงุตู„ุช ู…ุนู†ุง ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† 150 ู…ุคุณุณุฉ ุฅุนู„ุงู…ูŠุฉ ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉุŒ
12:40
and maybe someday there will be something like "The World Talks,"
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ูˆุฑูุจู…ุง ูŠุชุญู‚ู‚ ููŠ ูŠูˆู… ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู… ู…ุดุฑูˆุน "ุงู„ุนุงู„ูŽู… ูŠุชุญุฏู‘ูŽุซ"ุŒ
12:43
with hundreds of thousands of participants.
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ู…ุน ู…ุฆุงุช ุงู„ุขู„ุงู ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูุดุงุฑูƒูŠู†.
12:45
But what matters here are not the numbers,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุงู„ุฃุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ูŠุณุช ู‡ูŠ ู…ุง ูŠู‡ู…ุŒ
12:51
obviously.
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ุจูƒู„ ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ.
12:53
What matters here is ...
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ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ู‡ูˆ...
12:55
Whenever two people meet to talk in person for hours
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ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠู„ุชู‚ูŠ ุดุฎุตุงู† ูˆุฌู‡ู‹ุง ู„ูˆุฌู‡ ูˆูŠุชุญุฏุซุงู† ู„ุณุงุนุงุชู
12:59
without anyone else listening,
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ู…ู† ุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ูŠุณู…ุนู‡ู…ุง ุฃุญุฏุŒ
13:03
they change.
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ูŠุชุบูŠุฑุงู†.
13:04
And so do our societies.
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ูˆูƒุฐู„ูƒ ู…ูุฌุชู…ุนุงุชู†ุง.
13:06
They change little by little, discussion by discussion.
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ูู‡ูŠ ุชุชุบูŠุฑ ุชุฏุฑูŠุฌูŠู‹ุง ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ุญูˆุงุฑ ูˆุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด.
13:10
What matters here is that we relearn
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ู…ุง ูŠู‡ู… ู‡ู†ุง ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ู†ุชุนู„ู… ู…ู† ุฌุฏูŠุฏ
13:13
how to have these face-to-face discussions,
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ูƒูŠู ู†ูุฌุฑูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูู†ุงู‚ุดุงุช ูˆุฌู‡ู‹ุง ู„ูˆุฌู‡ุŒ
13:16
without anyone else listening,
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ุจุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ูŠุณู…ุนู†ุง ุฃุญุฏุŒ
13:18
with a stranger.
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ู…ุน ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุตู ุบุฑูŠุจ.
13:19
Not only with a stranger we are introduced to
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ู…ุน ุดุฎุตู ุบุฑูŠุจู ู†ุชุนุฑู ุนู„ูŠู‡
13:22
by a Tinder for politics,
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ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ู…ูˆุงุนุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉุŒ
13:24
but also with a stranger in a pub or in a gym or at a conference.
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ุจู„ ูˆุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ู…ุน ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุตู ู„ุง ู†ุนุฑูู‡ ุณูˆุงุก ููŠ ุญุงู†ุฉ ุฃูˆ ููŠ ุตุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุจ ุฃูˆ ููŠ ุงุฌุชู…ุงุน.
13:30
So please meet someone
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ูุฃุฑุฌูˆ ุฃู† ุชู„ุชู‚ูˆุง ุจุฃุดุฎุงุตู ุฌูุฏุฏ
13:32
and have an argument
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ูˆุชุชู†ุงู‚ุดูˆุง ู…ุนู‹ุง
13:33
and enjoy it very much.
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ูˆุชุณุชู…ุชุนูˆุง ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง.
13:35
Thank you.
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ุดููƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒูู….
13:37
(Applause)
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(ุชุตููŠู‚)
13:40
Wow!
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ูˆุงูˆ!
13:42
(Applause)
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(ุชุตููŠู‚)
ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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