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Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Joanna Pietrulewicz
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譯者: JIAN CUI
審譯者: 庭芝 梁
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So earlier this year,
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今年年初,
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I was informed that I would be
doing a TED Talk.
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我被告知要發表一場 TED 的演說。
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So I was excited, then I panicked,
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一開始我很興奮,然後變成緊張,
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then I was excited, then I panicked,
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然後又很興奮,然後又很緊張,
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and in between the excitement
and the panicking,
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就在興奮與緊張之間,
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I started to do my research,
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我開始進行一些研究,
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and my research primarily consisted
of Googling how to give a great TED Talk.
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我的研究主要是用 Google 搜尋:
如何發表一場完美的 TED 演說。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:32
And interspersed with that,
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在這個過程中,
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I was Googling Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.
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我也查詢了
奇瑪曼達.恩格茲.阿迪契。
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How many of you know who that is?
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有多少人知道她是誰嗎?
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(Cheers)
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(鼓掌)
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So I was Googling her
because I always Google her
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我 Google了她
因為我經常 Google 她,
因為我是她的粉絲,
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because I'm just a fan,
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00:45
but also because she always has
important and interesting things to say.
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而且因為她總是講了
重要又有趣的事情。
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And the combination of those searches
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所有搜尋到的結果,
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kept leading me to her talk
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總是把我引導到她的演講,
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on the dangers of a single story,
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關於只聽單一故事的危險性,
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on what happens
when we have a solitary lens
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關於當我們只用一種視角
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through which to understand
certain groups of people,
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去觀察某些特定群體的後果。
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and it is the perfect talk.
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這是一場完美的演講。
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It's the talk that I would have given
if I had been famous first.
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如果當初是我先成名的話,
這就是我想進行的演講。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:14
You know, and you know,
like, she's African and I'm African,
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你知道,就像,她是非洲人,
而我也是非洲人;
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and she's a feminist and I'm a feminist,
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她是女權主義者,
而我也是女權主義者;
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and she's a storyteller
and I'm a storyteller,
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她講故事,而我也講故事;
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so I really felt like it's my talk.
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所以我真的認為那是我的演講。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:26
So I decided that I was going
to learn how to code,
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所以我決定學習寫程式,
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and then I was going to hack the internet
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然後去入侵網際網路,
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and I would take down all the copies
of that talk that existed,
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把所有這場演講的影片全部刪除,
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and then I would memorize it,
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然後我會把演講內容背熟,
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and then I would come here
and deliver it as if it was my own speech.
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然後就把它當成自己的演講說出來。
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So that plan was going really well,
except the coding part,
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整個計劃進行得非常成功,
除了寫程式的部分之外;
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and then one morning a few months ago,
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直到在幾個月前的一個早上,
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I woke up
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當我醒來時,
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to the news that the wife
of a certain presidential candidate
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看到一則新聞當中,
某位總統候選人的太太
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had given a speech that --
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發表了一場演說──
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:04
that sounded eerily like a speech
given by one of my other faves,
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感覺很詭異,聽起來像是
另一個我喜歡的人在演講,
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Michelle Obama.
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蜜雪兒.歐巴馬。
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(Cheers)
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(歡呼)
02:12
And so I decided that I should
probably write my own TED Talk,
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於是我決定應該寫一篇
自己的 TED 演講稿,
這就是我現在要做的。
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and so that is what I am here to do.
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02:19
I'm here to talk about
my own observations about storytelling.
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我要說的是自己對於
「說故事」的觀察。
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I want to talk to you
about the power of stories, of course,
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當然,我會告訴你故事的力量,
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but I also want to talk
about their limitations,
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但是我也想談它的侷限性,
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particularly for those of us
who are interested in social justice.
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特別是對於我們之中,
某些關注社會正義的人。
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So since Adichie gave that talk
seven years ago,
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自從七年前阿迪契的演講之後,
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there has been a boom in storytelling.
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說故事形成一股風潮。
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Stories are everywhere,
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到處都是故事,
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and if there was a danger
in the telling of one tired old tale,
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雖然這可能是老生常談,
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then I think there has got to be
lots to celebrate about the flourishing
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但我還是認爲能有這麼多的故事,
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of so many stories and so many voices.
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能有這麼多的聲音出現,
是很值得慶祝的事。
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Stories are the antidote to bias.
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故事是偏見的解藥。
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In fact, today, if you are middle class
and connected via the internet,
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實際上,如今,如果你屬於中產階級,
而且能連上網際網路,
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you can download stories
at the touch of a button
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你可以下載很多故事,
只需要按下滑鼠按鈕,
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or the swipe of a screen.
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或是滑動觸控螢幕。
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You can listen to a podcast
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你可以藉由收聼 Podcast,
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about what it's like
to grow up Dalit in Kolkata.
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瞭解加爾各答地區的
賤民階層如何生活。
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You can hear an indigenous
man in Australia
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你可以聽到澳洲的原住民
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talk about the trials and triumphs
of raising his children in dignity
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談論關於教育出端莊、
具有自尊的孩子,
所需要進行的嘗試與成功經驗。
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and in pride.
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03:22
Stories make us fall in love.
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故事讓我們相愛。
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They heal rifts and they bridge divides.
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故事能治癒裂痕,弭平分歧。
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Stories can even make it easier for us
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故事甚至能讓我們更容易
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to talk about the deaths
of people in our societies
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談論社會上某些市井小民的死亡,
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who don't matter,
because they make us care.
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因爲故事讓我們關注這些事。
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Right?
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對嗎?
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I'm not so sure,
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我不是很確定,
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and I actually work for a place
called the Centre for Stories.
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事實上我在一個叫
「故事中心」的地方工作。
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And my job is to help to tell stories
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我的工作是幫助人們
說出一些挑戰主流論述的故事,
例如我們經常討論的議題:
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that challenge mainstream narratives
about what it means to be black
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or a Muslim or a refugee
or any of those other categories
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身爲黑人,穆斯林,難民
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that we talk about all the time.
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以及其他族群,背後所代表的含意。
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But I come to this work
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但是我接手這份工作,
03:57
after a long history
as a social justice activist,
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是在我長期從事社會正義行動之後,
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and so I'm really interested in the ways
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而且讓我非常感興趣的,
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that people talk
about nonfiction storytelling
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是人們在談論「紀實故事」時
所持的態度和方式,
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as though it's about
more than entertainment,
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認為它不只是娛樂,
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as though it's about being
a catalyst for social action.
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認為它是社會行動的催化劑。
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It's not uncommon to hear people say
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我們常聽到人們說:
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that stories make
the world a better place.
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故事能讓世界更美好。
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Increasingly, though, I worry
that even the most poignant stories,
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不過我開始擔心:
即使是最讓人感動的故事,
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particularly the stories about people
who no one seems to care about,
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特別是那些市井小民的故事,
04:26
can often get in the way
of action towards social justice.
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也經常會妨礙到社會正義的進行。
04:29
Now, this is not because
storytellers mean any harm.
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這不是因爲說故事的人
故意要造成傷害。
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Quite the contrary.
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恰恰相反,
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Storytellers are often do-gooders
like me and, I suspect, yourselves.
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說故事的人通常是想要做好事的人,
例如我,以及在座的你們。
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And the audiences of storytellers
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而聼故事的人
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are often deeply compassionate
and empathetic people.
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通常也是充滿熱情和同情心的人。
04:46
Still, good intentions
can have unintended consequences,
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但是,好的動機也會導致
意想不到的後果,
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and so I want to propose that stories
are not as magical as they seem.
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所以我想強調的是,
說故事並不像看起來那麽神奇。
04:55
So three -- because
it's always got to be three --
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有三個原因,總是要有三個──
04:58
three reasons why I think
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我認爲有三個原因,
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that stories don't necessarily
make the world a better place.
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故事不一定會讓世界變得更好。
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Firstly, stories can create
an illusion of solidarity.
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首先,故事能產生一種
「共同一致」的幻覺。
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There is nothing
like that feel-good factor you get
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沒有其他東西能夠像
聽了奇幻故事一樣,
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from listening to a fantastic story
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能帶給你更好的感覺了;
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where you feel like you
climbed that mountain, right,
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就彷彿是你自己征服了那座山,是的。
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or that you befriended
that death row inmate.
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或者是你和一位死刑犯成為朋友。
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But you didn't.
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但是你並沒有真的去做。
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You haven't done anything.
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你沒有完成任何事。
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Listening is an important
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傾聽故事是很重要的一步,
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but insufficient step
towards social action.
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但對於社會行動來説,仍然不足夠。
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Secondly, I think often we are drawn
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第二,我認爲人們經常會被
那些令人喜愛、具有人性化的
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towards characters and protagonists
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05:36
who are likable and human.
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角色和主人公所吸引。
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And this makes sense, of course, right?
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而且這也符合常理,是不是?
05:42
Because if you like someone,
then you care about them.
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因爲如果你喜歡他們,
你自然就會關心他們。
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But the inverse is also true.
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但反之亦然。
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If you don't like someone,
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如果你不喜歡他們,
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then you don't care about them.
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你自然也不會關心他們。
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And if you don't care about them,
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如果你不關心他們,
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you don't have to see yourself
as having a moral obligation
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你自然也不會認爲
自己負有道義責任,
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to think about the circumstances
that shaped their lives.
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去思考那些人周遭的生活環境。
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I learned this lesson
when I was 14 years old.
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我在 14 嵗時學到了這一點。
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I learned that actually,
you don't have to like someone
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我學到的是,實際上
你不一定要喜歡某個人,
才能認可他的智慧;
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to recognize their wisdom,
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06:08
and you certainly
don't have to like someone
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而且你也不需要喜歡某個人,
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to take a stand by their side.
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才能和他站在同一陣線。
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So my bike was stolen
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我的脚踏車被偷了,
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while I was riding it --
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在我騎著它的的時候──
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:18
which is possible if you're
riding slowly enough, which I was.
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這是可能的,如果你騎得夠慢,
我當時就是這樣。
06:21
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:23
So one minute
I'm cutting across this field
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就在我正要穿過一片田地的時候,
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in the Nairobi neighborhood
where I grew up,
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就在奈洛比附近,我生長的地方,
06:28
and it's like a very bumpy path,
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因為路非常崎嶇不平,
06:31
and so when you're riding a bike,
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所以當你騎車時,
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you don't want to be like, you know --
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你不會想要......你知道的──
06:35
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:38
And so I'm going like this,
slowly pedaling,
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所以我就騎得很慢。
06:42
and all of a sudden, I'm on the floor.
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突然間,我摔倒在地上。
06:45
I'm on the ground, and I look up,
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當我躺在地上時,抬頭一看,
06:47
and there's this kid peddling away
in the getaway vehicle,
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有個小孩正騎著車逃跑,
06:50
which is my bike,
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他騎著我的脚踏車。
06:51
and he's about 11 or 12 years old,
and I'm on the floor,
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他大概 11 或 12 嵗,
我還倒在地上,
06:55
and I'm crying because I saved
a lot of money for that bike,
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然後我大哭,因為我存了很久的錢
才買了這輛脚踏車,
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and I'm crying and I stand up
and I start screaming.
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於是我一邊哭,一邊站起來大喊。
07:00
Instinct steps in,
and I start screaming, "Mwizi, mwizi!"
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出於本能,我開始大喊:
"Mwizi, mwizi! "
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which means "thief" in Swahili.
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這在斯瓦希里語中
代表「小偷」的意思。
07:07
And out of the woodworks,
all of these people come out
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這時候許多人從伐木場跑出來,
07:12
and they start to give chase.
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他們開始追趕。
07:14
This is Africa, so mob justice in action.
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這是在非洲,當時暴民政治
正在興起。是吧?
07:16
Right?
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07:17
And I round the corner,
and they've captured him,
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(笑聲)
當我走到轉角時,
他們已經抓住了小偷。
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they've caught him.
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他們已經抓住了他。
07:22
The suspect has been apprehended,
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嫌犯已被逮捕,
07:24
and they make him give me my bike back,
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他們要他把脚踏車還給我,
07:27
and they also make him apologize.
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而且他們還要他道歉。
07:29
Again, you know,
typical African justice, right?
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你知道,這是典型的非洲正義,是吧?
所以他們要他說:對不起。
07:33
And so they make him say sorry.
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07:34
And so we stand there facing each other,
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我們當時就面對面站著,
07:36
and he looks at me, and he says sorry,
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他看著我,說了對不起。
07:39
but he looks at me
with this unbridled fury.
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但是他用非常憤怒的表情看著我,
07:43
He is very, very angry.
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他非常,非常生氣。
07:47
And it is the first time that I have been
confronted with someone
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這是我第一次直接面對著,
一個只是因爲我的身份
而不喜歡我的人。
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who doesn't like me
simply because of what I represent.
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07:53
He looks at me
with this look as if to say,
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他帶著那種神情看著我,彷彿在説:
07:55
"You, with your shiny skin
and your bike, you're angry at me?"
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「你,你有光滑的皮膚,
還有一輛脚踏車,你對我生氣?」
08:01
So it was a hard lesson
that he didn't like me,
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我知道他不喜歡我,這的確不好受,
08:04
but you know what, he was right.
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但是你知道嗎,他這樣想是正常的。
08:06
I was a middle-class kid
living in a poor country.
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在這個貧窮的國家,
我是一個生長在中產階層的小孩。
08:10
I had a bike, and he barely had food.
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我擁有一輛脚踏車,
而他幾乎連食物都沒有。
08:13
Sometimes, it's the messages
that we don't want to hear,
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有時候,有些訊息是我們不想聼的;
08:16
the ones that make us
want to crawl out of ourselves,
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但是那些讓我們坐立難安的訊息,
08:19
that we need to hear the most.
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卻正是我們最需要聼的。
08:21
For every lovable storyteller
who steals your heart,
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在每一位我們所喜愛的
故事演說者背後,
08:25
there are hundreds more
whose voices are slurred and ragged,
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有成百上千個被忽略、
疲憊不堪的聲音,
08:29
who don't get to stand up on a stage
dressed in fine clothes like this.
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他們沒有機會穿上這麽好的衣服,
站在這個講臺上。
08:34
There are a million
angry-boy-on-a-bike stories
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有數百萬則像是
脚踏車上生氣男孩的故事,
08:38
and we can't afford to ignore them
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我們不應該忽視他們,
08:40
simply because we don't like
their protagonists
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只是因爲我們不喜歡
那些故事裏的主角,
08:43
or because that's not the kid
that we would bring home with us
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或者只是因爲,
他不是我們在孤兒院
想領養的那個小孩。
08:46
from the orphanage.
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08:48
The third reason that I think
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而第三個原因,
08:50
that stories don't necessarily
make the world a better place
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我認爲故事不一定能讓世界更美好,
08:54
is that too often we are so invested
in the personal narrative
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是因爲我們經常
過於投入在個人敘事中,
08:57
that we forget
to look at the bigger picture.
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而讓我們忘記去綜觀全局。
09:00
And so we applaud someone
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當某些人告訴我們
他們感覺到羞辱時,
09:02
when they tell us
about their feelings of shame,
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我們會為他們鼓掌,
09:05
but we don't necessarily
link that to oppression.
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但這時我們不一定會聯想到壓迫。
09:09
We nod understandingly
when someone says they felt small,
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當有人說他們覺得自己渺小,
我們會理解地點點頭,
09:12
but we don't link that to discrimination.
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但是我們不會聯想到這是歧視。
09:15
The most important stories,
especially for social justice,
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那些最重要的故事,
特別是有關社會正義的,
09:18
are those that do both,
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是那些能夠兼顧兩方面的故事,
09:20
that are both personal and allow us
to explore and understand the political.
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不僅能讓我們心有所感,
又能讓我們去探究和理解它背後的政治。
09:25
But it's not just
about the stories we like
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但這不僅僅是關於
我們所喜歡的故事,
09:27
versus the stories we choose to ignore.
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以及我們所選擇忽視的故事
兩者間的比較。
09:29
Increasingly, we are living in a society
where there are larger forces at play,
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逐漸的,我們生活的社會裏
出現了一股愈來愈大的力量。
09:33
where stories are actually for many people
beginning to replace the news.
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事實上,許多人開始
用故事來取代新聞。
09:38
Yeah?
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沒錯吧?
09:39
We live in a time where we are witnessing
the decline of facts,
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我們所處的時代,正在見證著:
事實開始不被重視,
09:43
when emotions rule
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情感開始主導一切,
09:45
and analysis, it's kind of boring, right?
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而理性的分析,令人感覺枯燥,對吧?
09:48
Where we value what we feel
more than what we actually know.
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我們重視自己的感覺
遠勝過我們實際知道的真相。
09:54
A recent report by the Pew Center
on trends in America
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探討美國趨勢的皮尤研究中心
最近有一份報告,
09:58
indicates that only 10 percent
of young adults under the age of 30
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顯示在 30 歲以下的年輕人當中,
衹有 10% 的人
「非常信任傳播媒體」。
10:04
"place a lot of trust in the media."
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10:07
Now, this is significant.
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這是很重要的警訊。
10:09
It means that storytellers
are gaining trust
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這意味著,在講述故事的人
10:12
at precisely the same moment
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贏得信任的同時,
10:13
that many in the media
are losing the confidence in the public.
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傳播媒體正在失去大眾的信心。
10:18
This is not a good thing,
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這不是件好事。
10:20
because while stories are important
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因爲故事雖然很重要,
10:22
and they help us
to have insights in many ways,
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它能幫助我們在很多方面獲得領悟,
10:24
we need the media.
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但是我們仍然需要傳播媒體。
10:26
From my years
as a social justice activist,
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在我從事社會正義行動的時期,
10:29
I know very well that we need
credible facts from media institutions
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我很清楚的知道,我們需要
結合傳媒機構提供的可靠事實,
10:35
combined with the powerful voices
of storytellers.
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以及講述故事者,强而有力的聲音。
10:39
That's what pushes the needle forward
in terms of social justice.
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這才能推動社會正義的前進。
10:43
In the final analysis, of course,
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最後的分析,當然,
10:48
it is justice
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衹有正義
10:50
that makes the world a better place,
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才能讓這個世界更美好。
10:52
not stories. Right?
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而不是故事本身,對吧?
10:55
And so if it is justice that we are after,
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所以說如果我們追求的是正義,
10:58
then I think we mustn't focus
on the media or on storytellers.
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我認爲我們不應該聚焦在
媒體或是講故事的人身上。
11:01
We must focus on audiences,
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我們必須關注聽眾,
11:04
on anyone who has ever turned on a radio
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關注那些打開收音機
11:07
or listened to a podcast,
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或收聼 podcast 的人,
11:09
and that means all of us.
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這就意味著我們每一個人。
11:11
So a few concluding thoughts
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最後我有一些想法,
11:13
on what audiences can do
to make the world a better place.
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關於聽眾能做些什麽,
讓這個世界更美好。
11:18
So firstly, the world
would be a better place, I think,
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首先,我認爲這個世界會變得更好,
11:21
if audiences were more curious
and more skeptical
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如果聽眾能夠更加好奇、更加質疑,
11:25
and asked more questions
about the social context
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並且對於他們喜愛的故事
背後的社會脈絡,
11:28
that created those stories
that they love so much.
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提出更多問題。
11:32
Secondly, the world
would be a better place
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其次,這個世界會更加美好,
11:34
if audiences recognized
that storytelling is intellectual work.
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如果大家能意識到
說故事是耗費腦力的工作。
11:39
And I think it would
be important for audiences
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另外我認為有件事
對聽眾來說是非常重要的,
11:42
to demand more buttons
on their favorite websites,
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就是要求他們喜愛的網站
增加更多的按鈕,
11:47
buttons for example that say,
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比如說,像這樣的一個按鈕:
11:50
"If you liked this story,
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「如果你喜歡這個故事,請點擊這裏,
11:52
click here to support a cause
your storyteller believes in."
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支持講故事那人所捍衛的信念。」
11:56
Or "click here to contribute
to your storyteller's next big idea."
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或者是「點擊這裏
來捐贈她下一個大理念」。
12:02
Often, we are committed to the platforms,
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我們一般總是忠於某個網路平台,
12:05
but not necessarily
to the storytellers themselves.
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而不是在故事人的本身。
12:07
And then lastly, I think that audiences
can make the world a better place
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最後,我想大家可以讓世界更美好,
12:12
by switching off their phones,
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我們可以關掉手機,
12:15
by stepping away from their screens
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遠離各種電子螢幕,
12:17
and stepping out into the real world
beyond what feels safe.
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走進這個真實,
但感覺不太安全的世界。
12:22
Alice Walker has said,
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愛麗絲.華克曾經説過,
12:24
"Look closely at the present
you are constructing.
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「仔細看著你正在建造的當下,
12:28
It should look like the future
you are dreaming."
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那應該是你夢想中的未來。」
12:32
Storytellers can help us to dream,
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講故事的人能幫助我們去夢想,
12:34
but it's up to all of us
to have a plan for justice.
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但是最終還是要靠我們自己
為正義制定計劃,採取行動。
12:39
Thank you.
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謝謝大家。
12:40
(Applause)
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