The nit-picking glory of The New Yorker's Comma Queen | Mary Norris

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譯者: Nan Liu 審譯者: Jin Wu
00:13
I have spent the past 38 years trying to be invisible.
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我用過去 38 年的時間 試圖將自己隱藏起來。
00:19
I'm a copy editor.
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我是文字編輯人員。
00:21
I work at The New Yorker,
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我在《紐約客》工作,
00:23
and copyediting for The New Yorker is like playing shortstop
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為《紐約客》做文字編輯就像是
在一支職業大聯盟棒球隊中 做游擊手一樣:
00:27
for a Major League Baseball team:
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00:29
every little movement gets picked over by the critics --
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每個小小的舉動 都會被評論家挑出來評論──
00:33
God forbid you should commit an error.
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上帝禁止你犯錯。
00:37
Just to clarify: copy editors don't choose what goes into the magazine.
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需要解釋一下:文字編輯人員 無權選擇什麼內容會被收入雜誌。
00:41
We work at the level of the sentence,
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我們專注於句子的修改,
00:43
maybe the paragraph,
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也可能是段落、
00:45
the words, the punctuation.
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字詞、標點符號。
00:48
Our business is in the details.
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我們的工作注重於細節。
00:50
We put the diaeresis, the double dot, over the "i" in "naïve."
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我們把分音符,那兩個點, 放在單詞 “naïve” 的 “i” 上。
00:56
We impose house style.
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我們會要求符合雜誌的風格。
00:58
Every publication has a house style.
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每份出版物都有一種版面風格設計。
01:01
The New Yorker's is particularly distinctive.
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《紐約客》的設計尤其特別。
01:04
We sometimes get teased for our style.
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我們有時候因為 我們的風格而被取笑。
01:07
Imagine -- we still spell "teen-ager" with a hyphen,
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想像一下──我們在拼寫 "teen-ager" 的時候仍帶有連字符,
01:11
as if that word had just been coined.
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就好像那個單詞剛被創造出來一樣。
01:14
But you see that hyphen in "teen-age"
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但是當你看見 "teen-ager" 中的連字符,
01:18
and that diaeresis over "coöperate,"
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和 "coöperate" 中的分音符的時候,
01:21
and you know you're reading The New Yorker.
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你知道你正在閱讀《紐約客》。
01:23
Copyediting at The New Yorker is a mechanical process.
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《紐約客》的文字編輯是死板的。
01:27
There is a related role called query proofreading,
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有一個相關的崗位叫作「詢問校對」,
01:30
or page-OK'ing.
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或是版面完美化。
01:32
Whereas copyediting is mechanical,
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雖然文字編輯是機械的,
01:35
query proofreading is interpretive.
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但是詢問校對是需要靈活應變的。
01:38
We make suggestions to the author through the editor
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我們通過主編向作者提出建議
01:42
to improve the emphasis of a sentence
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以便提高句子的重點,
01:44
or point out unintentional repetitions
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或是指出非刻意的重複,
01:47
and supply compelling alternatives.
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並且提供「更有說服力的」其它選擇。
01:52
Our purpose is to make the author look good.
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我們的目的是 讓這個作者看起來完美。
01:55
Note that we give our proofs not directly to the author,
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請注意我們不是直接 把我們的校對本給作者,
01:58
but to the editor.
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而是給編輯。
02:00
This often creates a good cop/bad cop dynamic
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這經常帶來一種「好警察、 壞警察」的動態循環,
02:04
in which the copy editor -- I'll use that as an umbrella term --
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在這其中,文字編輯人員 ──我將用它做為一個總稱──
02:08
is invariably the bad cop.
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永遠都是壞警察。
02:12
If we do our job well, we're invisible,
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如果我們的工作做得好, 我們不會被人察覺,
02:14
but as soon as we make a mistake,
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但是我們一旦犯錯,
02:16
we copy editors become glaringly visible.
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我們文字編輯人員就會 格外引人注目。
02:21
Here is the most recent mistake that was laid at my door.
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這是我最近一次犯的錯。
02:25
[Last Tuesday, Sarah Palin, the pre-Trump embodiment
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「上個星期二,莎拉裴琳, 這位前川普時代
02:29
of populist no-nothingism in the Republican Party,
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民粹『不知可論』化身的共和黨員,
02:32
endorsed Trump.]
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表示支持川普。」
02:34
"Where were The New Yorker's fabled copy editors?" a reader wrote.
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「《紐約客》著名的文字編輯人員 在哪裡?」一位讀者寫到。
02:39
"Didn't the writer mean 'know-nothingism'?"
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「難道作者不是想寫 『不可知論』嗎?」
02:42
Ouch.
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哎呦。
02:44
There's no excuse for this mistake.
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沒辦法為這個錯誤找藉口了。
02:46
But I like it: "no-nothingism."
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但是我喜歡這個單詞: “no-nothingism”。
02:49
It might be American vernacular for "nihilism."
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它可能在美國俚語中代表 「虛無主義。」
02:53
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:57
Here, another reader quotes a passage from the magazine:
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有另一位讀者從雜誌上摘錄的語錄:
03:00
[Ruby was seventy-six, but she retained her authoritative bearing;
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「魯比 76 歲,但是她保持著 權威性的儀態;
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only her unsteady gait belied her age.]
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只有她不穩的步伐 掩飾了她的年齡。」
03:08
He added:
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他補充道:
03:09
"Surely, someone at The New Yorker knows the meaning of 'belied,'
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「當然,在《紐約客》工作的人 知道 ‘belied’ 的意思是什麼,
03:13
and that it is the opposite of how it is used in this sentence.
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也知道這個句子中用的 應該是和它相反的意思。
03:16
Come on! Get it together."
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喂,請集中精力!」
03:18
Belie: to give a false impression.
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Belie:給人錯覺。
03:22
It should have been "betrayed."
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正確的用詞應該是「暴露」。
03:25
E.B. White once wrote of commas in The New Yorker:
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艾爾文·布魯克斯·懷特曾經 在《紐約客》中寫過關於逗號的評論:
03:28
"They fall with the precision of knives outlining a body."
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「它們隨著精準的筆刃紛紛落下。」
03:33
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:34
And it's true -- we get a lot of complaints about commas.
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這是真的,我們有太多 關於逗號的抱怨。
03:38
"Are there really two commas in 'Martin Luther King, Jr., Boulevard'?"
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「在 "Martin Luther King, Jr., Boulevard" 這條路名中真的有兩個逗號嗎?」
03:42
There may not be on the sign, but yes, that is New Yorker style for "Jr."
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在路名後面可能沒有逗號, 但是《紐約客》中的 "Jr." 是有逗號的。
03:48
One wag wrote:
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有個喜歡開玩笑的人寫道:
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["Please, could you expel, or, at least, restrain,
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「拜託,可以請你開除, 或者,至少限制
03:53
the comma-maniac, on your editorial staff?"]
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你們編輯人員中的 逗號狂熱份子嗎?」
03:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:58
Ah, well.
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嗯,好吧。
03:59
In this case, those commas are well-placed,
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在這個例子中,逗號用的很好,
04:01
except that there should not be one
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除了逗號不應該用在
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between "maniac" and "on."
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「瘋子」和「之中」之間。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Also, if we must have commas around "at least,"
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還有,如果我們必須要在 「至少」前後用逗號,
04:10
we might change it up by using dashes around that phrase:
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我們可以稍做修改, 在那個短語附近加上破折號:
04:14
"... -- or, at least, restrain --"
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「……──或,至少,抑制──」
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Perfect.
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完美。
04:19
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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Then there's this:
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然後還有這樣一條留言:
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"Love you, love your magazine,
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「喜歡你們,喜歡你們的雜誌,
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but can you please stop writing massive numbers as text?"
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但是可以請你們不再用文字 來表述龐大的數字嗎?」
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[two and a half million ...]
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「二百五十萬……」
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No.
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不行。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:34
One last cri de coeur from a spelling stickler:
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最後一份來自一位 拼寫執著者的抱怨:
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["Those long stringy things are vocal cords, not chords."]
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「那些細長的東西是聲帶, 不是和弦。」
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The outraged reader added,
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那個生氣的讀者補充道:
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"I'm sure I'm not the first to write
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「我確信我不是第一個寫信抱怨
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regarding this egregious proofreading error,
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這個嚴重的校對錯誤的人,
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but I'm equally sure I won't be the last.
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但是我同樣確信 我不會是最後一個。
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Fie!"
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太糟糕了!」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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I used to like getting mail.
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我曾經喜歡收信件。
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There is a pact between writers and editors.
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作家和編輯之間有協定。
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The editor never sells out the writer,
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編輯永遠不會出賣作家,
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never goes public about bad jokes that had to be cut
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永遠不會讓必須刪減的不良笑話
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or stories that went on too long.
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或者是太長的故事公佈於眾。
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A great editor saves a writer from her excesses.
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優秀的編輯可以讓作家免於贅述。
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Copy editors, too, have a code;
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文字編輯人員也有規範;
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we don't advertise our oversights.
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我們不公布無心的錯誤。
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I feel disloyal divulging them here,
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我因為在這裡公佈它們 而感到不忠,
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so let's have look at what we do right.
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所以讓我們看看 我們做過什麼對的事。
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Somehow, I've gotten a reputation for sternness.
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不知為什麼,我因為嚴苛出名。
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But I work with writers who know how to have their way with me.
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但是我與那些知道如何 和我相處的作家共事。
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I've known Ian Frazier, or "Sandy," since the early 80s.
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我從 80 年代初就認識 伊恩‧弗瑞哲了,他又叫「桑迪」。
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And he's one of my favorites,
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他是我最喜歡的作家之一,
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even though he sometimes writes a sentence
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儘管他有時會寫
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that gives a copy editor pause.
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讓文字編輯人員難以抉擇的句子。
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Here is one from a story about Staten Island
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這有一個關於史坦頓島的故事,
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after Hurricane Sandy:
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發生在颶風桑迪之後:
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[A dock that had been broken in the middle and lost its other half
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「一個被攔腰折斷並 丟失了一半的船塢
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sloped down toward the water,
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滑落到了水中,
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its support pipes and wires leaning forward
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它的支撐管和電線向前傾斜,
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like when you open a box of linguine and it slides out.]
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就像是你打開一盒義大利 扁麵條時,麵條滑出來一樣。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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This would never have got past the grammarian in the days of yore.
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這個句子在多年以前是 不會被語法學家批准的。
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But what could I do?
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但是我能做什麼呢?
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Technically, the "like" should be an "as,"
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嚴格來說,單詞「就像」 應該換成「如同」,
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but it sounds ridiculous,
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但是那聽起來很荒唐,
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as if the author were about to embark on an extended Homeric simile --
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就好像作者要使用一個 很長的荷馬式比喻──
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"as when you open a box of linguine."
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「『如同』當你打開 一盒義大利扁麵條時。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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I decided that the hurricane conferred poetic justice on Sandy
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我斷定颶風已經給桑迪 帶來了應有的懲罰,
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and let the sentence stand.
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並決定讓那個句子保持原樣。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Generally, if I think something is wrong,
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通常來說,如果我覺得 有哪裡不對,
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I query it three times.
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我會詢問三次。
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I told Sandy that not long ago in a moment of indiscretion and he said,
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不久之前,在一次不審慎的談話中, 我把那個原則告訴了桑迪,然後他說:
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"Only three?"
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「只有三次?」
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So, he has learned to hold out.
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就這樣,他學會了不妥協。
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Recently, he wrote a story for "Talk of the Town,"
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最近,他為「街談巷議」 寫了一個故事,
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that's the section at the front of the magazine
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那是在雜誌封面的一版,
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with short pieces on subjects ranging from Ricky Jay's exhibit
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帶有關於一些話題的短文,
從雷基傑伊在 大都會藝術博物館的展覽,
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at the Metropolitan Museum
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to the introduction of doggie bags in France.
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到法國推出食物打包袋。
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Sandy's story was about the return to the Bronx
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桑迪的故事是關於
最高法院大法官索尼婭·索托馬尼爾 回到布魯克斯拜訪的。
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of Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor.
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There were three things in it that I had to challenge.
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那個故事中有三樣東西 我不得不質疑。
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First, a grammar query.
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首先,語法的質疑。
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The justice was wearing black and Sandy wrote,
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那個法官穿著黑色的衣服, 然後桑迪寫道:
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[Her face and hands stood out like in an old, mostly dark painting.]
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「她的臉和手凸顯出來, 像在一幅老舊、黑暗的畫中。」
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Now, unlike with the hurricane,
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這次,和颶風那次不一樣,
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with this "like," the author didn't have the excuse
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使用這個「像」,作者沒有
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of describing hurricane damage.
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描述颶風災害的藉口了。
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"Like" in this sense is a preposition, and a preposition takes an object,
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「像」在這裡是一個介系詞, 介系詞後面必須要有受詞,
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which is a noun.
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也就是一個名詞。
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This "like" had to be an "as."
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這裡的「像」應該用「如同」。
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"As in an old, mostly dark painting."
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「如同一幅老舊、黑暗的畫。」
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Second, a spelling issue.
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第二,拼寫問題。
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The author was quoting someone who was assisting the justice:
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作者引用了一位法官助手的語錄:
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["It will be just a minute.
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「就一分鐘。
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We are getting the justice mic'ed,"]
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我們會讓公正發聲。」
07:43
Mic'ed?
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"Mic'ed?" (麥克風)
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The music industry spells it "mic"
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音樂界把它拼作 “mic”,
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because that's how it's spelled on the equipment.
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因為設備上就是這麼拼寫的。
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I'd never seen it used as a verb with this spelling,
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我從未見過這種拼寫 方式作為動詞使用,
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and I was distraught to think that "mic'ed"
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而且我一想到那個 "mic'ed"
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would get into the magazine on my watch.
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會出現在我監管的雜誌中就很心煩。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:57
New Yorker style for "microphone" in its abbreviated form is "mike."
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在《紐約客》中, "microphone" 的縮寫是 "mike"。
08:02
Finally, there was a sticky grammar and usage issue
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最後,有一個棘手的 語法和使用問題,
08:05
in which the pronoun has to have the same grammatical number
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就是那個代詞必須與它代替的詞
08:08
as its antecedent.
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在語法上保持數的一致。
08:11
[everyone in the vicinity held their breath]
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「附近的每個人都 屏住他們的呼吸。」
08:15
"Their" is plural and "everyone," its antecedent, is singular.
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「他們的」是複數,而它對應的 「每個人」是單數。
08:19
You would never say, "Everyone were there."
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你從不會說每個人「們」都在那。
08:22
Everyone was there. Everyone is here.
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每個人都在那。 每個人都在這。
08:26
But people say things like, "Everyone held their breath" all the time.
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但是人們習於這樣表達: 「每個人都屏住他們的呼吸」。
08:30
To give it legitimacy,
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為了讓這種表達合理,
08:31
copy editors call it "the singular 'their,'"
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文字編輯人員把它叫作 單數的「他們的」,
08:34
as if calling it singular makes it no longer plural.
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就好像把它稱作單數 它就不是複數了。
08:37
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:39
It is my job when I see it in print to do my best to eliminate it.
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我的工作就是,當我看到這種情況 出現在印刷品中時,我要盡力消除它。
08:45
I couldn't make it, "Everyone held her breath,"
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我不能把句子改成 每個人都屏住「她」的呼吸,
08:47
or "Everyone held his breath,"
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或者是每個人都屏住「他」的呼吸,
08:49
or "Everyone held his or her breath."
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或者是每個人都屏住 「他的/她的」呼吸。
08:52
Whatever I suggested had to blend in.
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我提出的任何建議 必須具有融合性。
08:55
I asked, through the editor,
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我通過主編詢問,
08:56
if the author would consider changing it
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那個作者是否可以考慮把句子改為
08:58
to "All in the vicinity held their breath,"
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「所有的人」都屏住他們的呼吸,
09:01
because "all" is plural.
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因為「所有的人」是複數。
09:02
Nope.
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不行。
09:04
I tried again: "All those present held their breath?"
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我又試了一次:
「在場的所有人 都屏住他們的呼吸?」
09:07
I thought this sounded vaguely judicial.
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我認為這個句子 聽起來稍微清楚些。
09:09
But the editor pointed out
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但是主編指出
09:10
that we could not have "present" and "presence"
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我們不能讓「在場的」和「在場」
09:13
in the same sentence.
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出現在同一個句子裡。
09:15
When the final proof came back,
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當最終的審稿結果出來時,
09:16
the author had accepted "as" for "like,"
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作者接受把 "like" 換成 "as",
09:19
and "miked" for "mic'ed."
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"mic'ed" 換成 "miked"。
09:21
But on "Everyone held their breath," he stood his ground.
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但是關於「每個人都屏住他們的呼吸,」
他保持自己的立場。
09:25
Two out of three isn't bad.
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三個問題改了兩個,還不錯。
09:28
In the same issue,
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在同一期中,
09:29
in that piece on doggie bags in France,
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在那篇關於法國 食物打包袋的文章中,
09:31
there was the gratuitous use of the f-word by a Frenchman.
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一個法國人無端地使用了髒話。
09:36
I wonder, when the mail comes in,
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我想知道當我收到讀者來信的時候,
09:38
which will have offended the readers more.
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哪種情況會讓他們更惱怒。
09:41
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:43
Thank you.
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謝謝。
09:44
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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