Kavita Ramdas: Radical women, embracing tradition

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譯者: Faye LIN 審譯者: Tracie Chen
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Salaam. Namaskar.
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大家好
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Good morning.
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早上好。
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Given my TED profile, you might be expecting
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根據我的TED簡介, 你們可能在期待
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that I'm going to speak to you about
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我是來談論
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the latest philanthropic trends --
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最近很流行的慈善話題,
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the one that's currently got Wall Street
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也就是目前在華爾街
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and the World Bank buzzing --
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與世界銀行内部都引發了熱烈討論的一個話題:
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how to invest in women,
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該如何在女性身上投資,
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how to empower them, how to save them.
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該如何賦予女性權力以及該如何拯救她們。
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Not me.
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但這並不是我今天要談的。
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I am interested in how women
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我對女性如何拯救大眾
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are saving us.
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比較感興趣。
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They're saving us by redefining and re-imagining
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女性拯救我們的方式,是重新定義及重塑一個
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a future that defies and blurs
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挑戰並消除
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accepted polarities,
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普遍存在的分歧的未來。
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polarities we've taken for granted for a long time,
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長期以來,我們都認爲這些分歧是理所當然的,
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like the ones between modernity and tradition,
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比如説現代性和傳統之間的分歧,
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First World and Third World,
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比如説第一世界國家與第三世界國家之間的分歧,
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oppression and opportunity.
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壓制與機遇的分歧。
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In the midst of the daunting challenges
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在一個地球村中,
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we face as a global community,
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我們面臨的挑戰是驚人的,
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there's something about
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而其中有一種
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this third way raga
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如拉格調子(印度教的一種傳統曲調)一般的第三方式
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that is making my heart sing.
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讓我的心在歌唱。
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What intrigues me most
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最使我着迷的,
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is how women are doing this,
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是女性如何做到這些的,
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despite a set of paradoxes
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縱使其間有一堆
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that are both frustrating and fascinating.
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令人沮喪又令人着迷的悖論。
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Why is it that women are, on the one hand,
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爲什麽女性一方面
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viciously oppressed by cultural practices,
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被文化習俗不懷好意地壓迫着,
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and yet at the same time,
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而另一方面,
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are the preservers of cultures in most societies?
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她們又是許多社會中文化的保護者?
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Is the hijab or the headscarf
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戴面紗或裹頭巾
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a symbol of submission
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是象徵屈服
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or resistance?
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還是抗拒?
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When so many women and girls
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有這麽多的女人和女孩子
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are beaten, raped, maimed
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被打、被強姦、被致殘
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on a daily basis
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每天都有,
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in the name of all kinds of causes --
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而人們把各種各樣的原因
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honor, religion, nationality --
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歸咎與榮譽、宗教和國籍。
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what allows women to replant trees,
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女性還能凴什麽去改植樹木,
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to rebuild societies,
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去重建社會
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to lead radical, non-violent movements
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去領導全新的非暴力運動,
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for social change?
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從而為社會帶來改變呢?
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Is it different women
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難道進行改革的女性和
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who are doing the preserving and the radicalizing?
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保留傳統的女性不是同一類?
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Or are they one and the same?
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還是說她們是同一類,而且都是一樣的?
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Are we guilty, as Chimamanda Adichie reminded us
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是否如恩戈阿迪契在
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at the TED conference in Oxford,
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一個在牛津舉行的TED會議上所提醒我們時說的,
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of assuming that there is a single story
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我們總是假設
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of women's struggles for their rights
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女性在爭取自己權力的時候只有一種情況,
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while there are, in fact, many?
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而實際上,情況是很多的。我們是否爲此而感到内疚?
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And what, if anything,
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如果有,
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do men have to do with it?
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男性們又和這有什麽關係嗎?
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Much of my life has been a quest
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我生活的大部分時間都在探索,
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to get some answers to these questions.
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以期能尋找到一些答案。
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It's taken me across the globe
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這種探索帶領我環游全球,
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and introduced me to some amazing people.
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並讓我認識了許多出色的人。
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In the process, I've gathered a few fragments
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在探索的過程中,我收集了一些片斷,
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that help me shed some light on this puzzle.
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使我的謎團開始逐渐清晰起來。
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Among those who've helped open my eyes
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在衆多用第三种方式幫助過我
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to a third way
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大開眼界的人中,
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are: a devout Muslim in Afghanistan,
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包括一名在阿富汗的虔誠的穆斯林女人,
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a group of harmonizing lesbians in Croatia
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一群在克羅地亞的和睦的女同性戀
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and a taboo breaker in Liberia.
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和一位在利比里亞打破禁忌的女人。
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I'm indebted to them,
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我非常感激她們,
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as I am to my parents,
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如我感激我的父母一般。
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who for some set of misdemeanors in their last life,
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我的父母在世時曾經有過一些不軌的行爲,
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were blessed with three daughters in this one.
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但有着三位女兒的祝福。
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And for reasons equally unclear to me,
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但雖然我也不知是什麽原因,
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seem to be inordinately proud of the three of us.
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他們卻非常以我們三姐妹而自豪。
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I was born and raised here in India,
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我在印度出生和長大,
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and I learned from an early age
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我很小的時候
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to be deeply suspicious of the aunties and uncles
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就很懷疑我的姑媽阿姨和叔叔伯伯
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who would bend down, pat us on the head
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他們總是彎下腰,拍着我們的頭
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and then say to my parents
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然後沒事般跟
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with no problem at all,
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我的父母親說:
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"Poor things. You only have three daughters.
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真可憐。你只有三個女兒。
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But you're young, you could still try again."
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不過你還年輕。你們還可以再生。”
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My sense of outrage
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我對女性權利的
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about women's rights
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的憤慨被激發了,
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was brought to a boil when I was about 11.
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那年我只有11嵗。
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My aunt, an incredibly articulate
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我的姑姑是一位口齒非常淩利
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and brilliant woman,
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和聰明的女人,
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was widowed early.
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她很年輕的時候就成了寡婦。
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A flock of relatives descended on her.
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一群的親戚都看不起她。
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They took off her colorful sari.
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他們把她彩色的莎麗脫了下來,
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They made her wear a white one.
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而給了她一件白色的莎麗。
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They wiped her bindi off her forehead.
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他們把她額頭上的紅點也擦掉了,
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They broke her bangles.
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還把她的鐲子給打碎了。
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Her daughter, Rani,
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她的女兒,拉尼,
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a few years older than me,
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比我大幾嵗,
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sat in her lap bewildered,
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跪坐在膝上,迷惑着,
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not knowing what had happened
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不知道她的母親,
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to the confident woman
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一個自信的女人,
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she once knew as her mother.
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到底在她身上發生了什麽事情。
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Late that night, I heard my mother
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那天晚上,我聽到我母親
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begging my father,
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乞求般跟我的父親說:
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"Please do something Ramu. Can't you intervene?"
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“拉姆,求求你為她做點什麽吧。你不能出面嗎?”
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And my father, in a low voice, muttering,
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而我的父親小聲咕噥着說:
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"I'm just the youngest brother, there's nothing I can do.
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“我是兄弟們中最小的,我做不了什麽。
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This is tradition."
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這是慣例。”
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That's the night I learned the rules
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那個晚上,我意識到這些常規對
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about what it means to be female in this world.
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在這個世界上對女性意味着什麽。
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Women don't make those rules,
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女性並沒有製造這些慣例,
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but they define us, and they define
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但這些慣例卻界定了女性及界定了
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our opportunities and our chances.
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女性的機遇和機會。
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And men are affected by those rules too.
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而男性們也被這些慣例影響着。
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My father, who had fought in three wars,
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我的父親,他參加過三次戰爭,
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could not save his own sister
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卻無法把他自己的妹妹從痛苦中
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from this suffering.
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拯救出來。
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By 18,
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當我18嵗的時候,
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under the excellent tutelage of my mother,
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在我母親優秀的監護下,
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I was therefore, as you might expect,
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我正如你們可能所預想的
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defiantly feminist.
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成爲了一名大膽的女權主義者。
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On the streets chanting,
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在街上頌唱:
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"[Hindi]
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“印度語”
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[Hindi]
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“印度語”
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We are the women of India.
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“我們是印度的女人。
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We are not flowers, we are sparks of change."
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我們不是鮮花,我們是變革的火花。”
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By the time I got to Beijing in 1995,
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直到我1995年去北京的時候,
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it was clear to me, the only way
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我清楚地意識到,要取得
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to achieve gender equality
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性別平等唯一的方法,
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was to overturn centuries
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是推翻幾個世紀的
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of oppressive tradition.
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壓迫的傳統。
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Soon after I returned from Beijing,
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在從北京回來后不久,
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I leapt at the chance to work for this wonderful organization,
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我抓住了機會到一個機構工作。
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founded by women,
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這個機構是由女性創辦的,
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to support women's rights organizations around the globe.
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主要是支持全球其他女權組織。
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But barely six months into my new job,
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我工作后還不到六個月的時候,
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I met a woman
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我遇到了一位女士,
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who forced me to challenge all my assumptions.
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她迫使我挑戰我自己所有的假設。
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Her name is Sakena Yacoobi.
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她的名字叫薩奇娜.雅庫碧。
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She walked into my office
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她走進我的辦公室。
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at a time when no one knew
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那時候的美國,
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where Afghanistan was in the United States.
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沒有人知道阿富汗在哪。
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She said to me, "It is not about the burka."
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她對我說:“與這身長袍無關。”
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She was the most determined advocate
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她是我所聽説的主張女權的
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for women's rights I had ever heard.
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最堅定的分子。
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She told me women were running underground schools
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她告訴我,在她的社區裏,
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in her communities inside Afghanistan,
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由女性舉辦的地下學校,
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and that her organization, the Afghan Institute of Learning,
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而她自己所在的機構,阿富汗學習學院,
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had started a school in Pakistan.
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也在巴基斯坦開了一所。
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She said, "The first thing anyone who is a Muslim knows
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她說:“穆斯林人都知道的第一件事,
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is that the Koran requires
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是可蘭經要求
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and strongly supports literacy.
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而且大力支持文化學習。
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The prophet wanted every believer
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穆罕默德希望每個信徒
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to be able to read the Koran for themselves."
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都能自己閲讀可蘭經。”
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Had I heard right?
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我有沒有聼錯?
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Was a women's rights advocate
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主張喚醒宗教
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invoking religion?
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是女性的權利?
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But Sakena defies labels.
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不過薩奇娜反對被標記。
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She always wears a headscarf,
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她總是裹着頭巾。
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but I've walked alongside with her on a beach
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但我也曾和她一起漫步在沙灘上,
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with her long hair flying in the breeze.
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她披散的長髮在微風中飛舞。
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She starts every lecture with a prayer,
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她每次講座前都會以祈禱開場,
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but she's a single, feisty,
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但在一個女孩子12嵗就要被嫁掉的國家裏,
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financially independent woman
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她確是一個單身,活躍,
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in a country where girls are married off at the age of 12.
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經濟獨立的女人。
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She is also immensely pragmatic.
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而且她是一個非常實務的人。
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"This headscarf and these clothes," she says,
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她說:“這些頭巾和衣服,
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"give me the freedom to do what I need to do
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給了我自由去與那些在這工作中
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to speak to those whose support and assistance
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與一些人交談並得到他們
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are critical for this work.
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能起到關鍵作用的支持和協助。
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When I had to open the school in the refugee camp,
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當我要在難民營開一所學校的時候,
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I went to see the imam.
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我去找了教長。
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I told him, 'I'm a believer, and women and children
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我跟他說:“我是一位信徒,而女人和孩子
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in these terrible conditions
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在這可怕的條件下
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need their faith to survive.'"
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需要靠他們的信仰來生存下去。”
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She smiles slyly.
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她俏皮地笑笑說:
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"He was flattered.
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“他覺得很榮幸。
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He began to come twice a week to my center
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於是他每週來兩次我的中心
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because women could not go to the mosque.
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因爲女人不能到寺廟去。
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And after he would leave,
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而當他要離開時,
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women and girls would stay behind.
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婦女和女孩子們總是跟在後面。
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We began with a small literacy class
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我們開始了一班小型的掃盲班,
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to read the Koran,
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開始讀可蘭經,
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then a math class, then an English class, then computer classes.
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然後開了數學班,然後英語班,再然後電腦班。
07:33
In a few weeks, everyone in the refugee camp
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幾周后,難民營裏的每個人
07:36
was in our classes."
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都來上我們的課。”
07:38
Sakena is a teacher
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薩奇娜是一位老師。
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at a time when to educate women
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在當時的阿富汗教導女性是
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is a dangerous business in Afghanistan.
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一門危險的行業。
07:46
She is on the Taliban's hit list.
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她在塔利班的襲擊名單裏。
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I worry about her every time she travels across that country.
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每次她穿越那個國家的時候,我都替她擔心。
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She shrugs when I ask her about safety.
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我問起她關於她的人身安全時,她只是聳了聳肩說:
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"Kavita jaan, we cannot allow ourselves to be afraid.
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“朋友卡維塔,我們不能讓自己害怕。
07:58
Look at those young girls who go back to school
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看看那些年輕的女孩子回學校時
08:00
when acid is thrown in their face."
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即使被人潑往臉上潑硫酸的情景。”
08:02
And I smile, and I nod,
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聽到這,我微笑着點了點頭。
08:04
realizing I'm watching women and girls
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我意識到我自己正看着婦女和女孩子們
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using their own religious traditions and practices,
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用她們宗教的傳統和慣例,
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turning them into instruments
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把壓迫和機會
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of opposition and opportunity.
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變爲工具。
08:14
Their path is their own
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她們的道路在她們腳下,
08:16
and it looks towards an Afghanistan
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向著成爲不一樣的阿富汗人
08:19
that will be different.
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延伸。
08:21
Being different is something the women
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與衆不同,對於來自
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of Lesbor in Zagreb, Croatia
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克羅地亞萨格勒布的列玆波組合(樂隊名)的幾名女性來説
08:25
know all too well.
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再熟悉不過了。
08:27
To be a lesbian, a dyke,
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作爲同性戀者,女同性戀者,
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a homosexual
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有同性戀關係的人,
08:31
in most parts of the world, including right here
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在世界上的許多國家,包括在這,
08:33
in our country, India,
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印度,
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is to occupy a place of immense discomfort
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都充滿了無限的苦惱
08:37
and extreme prejudice.
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和極端的偏見。
08:39
In post-conflict societies like Croatia,
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在一個像克羅地亞這種衝突后的社會裏,
08:42
where a hyper-nationalism and religiosity
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高度的愛國主義和宗教主義
08:45
have created an environment unbearable
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創造了一種環境,就是不可容忍
08:47
for anyone who might
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任何一個
08:49
be considered a social outcast.
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被社會排斥的人。
08:51
So enter a group of out dykes,
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所以進入一群排斥的同性戀的群體,
08:53
young women who love the old music
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年輕的女人們非常喜歡古老的音樂。
08:56
that once spread across that region
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那音樂曾經穿過整個地區,
08:58
from Macedonia to Bosnia,
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從馬其頓到波斯尼亞,
09:00
from Serbia to Slovenia.
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從塞爾維亞到斯洛文尼亞。
09:02
These folk singers met at college at a gender studies program.
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這些年輕的歌手在學校的性別學科的課上相遇。
09:06
Many are in their 20s, some are mothers.
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她們都是20幾嵗。有一些已經作了母親。
09:09
Many have struggled to come out to their communities,
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很多都掙扎着從她們本身的社區中逃離出來。
09:12
in families whose religious beliefs make it hard to accept
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宗教的信仰都使她們的家人很難接受
09:15
that their daughters are not sick,
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他們的女兒並不是生病,
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just queer.
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但卻是同性戀。
09:19
As Leah, one of the founders of the group, says,
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正如團體的其中一位創辦者麗阿所說,
09:22
"I like traditional music very much.
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“我特別喜歡傳統音樂。
09:25
I also like rock and roll.
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我也喜歡搖滾樂。
09:27
So Lesbor, we blend the two.
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所以,在列斯波,我們融合了兩种音樂。
09:29
I see traditional music like a kind of rebellion,
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我認爲傳統音樂如一種反叛,
09:31
in which people can really speak their voice,
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人們可以通過傳統音樂表達自己,
09:34
especially traditional songs
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尤其是一些來自
09:36
from other parts of the former Yugoslav Republic.
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前南斯拉夫共和國幾個地區的傳統歌曲。
09:38
After the war, lots of these songs were lost,
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戰後,很多這類歌曲都遺失了。
09:41
but they are a part of our childhood and our history,
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但這些卻是我們童年和歷史的一部分,
09:43
and we should not forget them."
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我們不能把它們遺忘了。”
09:45
Improbably, this LGBT singing choir
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不太可能的是,這個屬於LGBT(指男、女同性戀、雙性戀者)群體的合唱團
09:48
has demonstrated how women
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演示了女人如何
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are investing in tradition to create change,
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投入在傳統中並創造變革,
09:53
like alchemists turning discord into harmony.
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如同煉金術士在混亂中造出和諧
09:56
Their repertoire includes
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她們演奏的曲目包括
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the Croatian national anthem,
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克羅地亞國歌,
10:00
a Bosnian love song
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一首波斯尼亞的愛情曲目
10:02
and Serbian duets.
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以及一首塞爾維亞的二重唱。
10:04
And, Leah adds with a grin,
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還有,麗阿笑着補充道,
10:06
"Kavita, we especially are proud of our Christmas music,
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“卡維塔,我們尤其為我們的聖誕曲目感到驕傲,
10:09
because it shows we are open to religious practices
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因爲它顯示了我們對宗教慣例的開放態度,
10:12
even though Catholic Church
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儘管,天主教的教堂裏
10:14
hates us LGBT."
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容不下我們這些 LGBT。
10:16
Their concerts draw from
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他們的音樂會源自
10:18
their own communities, yes,
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他們自己的社區,沒錯,
10:20
but also from an older generation:
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但也源自上一代,
10:22
a generation that might be
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上一代的人也許
10:24
suspicious of homosexuality,
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對同性戀持有懷疑態度,
10:26
but is nostalgic for its own music and the past it represents.
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但是他們懷念自己的音樂和音樂所代表的過去。
10:29
One father, who had initially balked at his daughter
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一位父親,開始曾對自己的女兒來自這樣的一個
10:32
coming out in such a choir,
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合唱團而覺得猶豫,
10:34
now writes songs for them.
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現在也在為合唱團寫歌。
10:36
In the Middle Ages, troubadours
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在中世紀時,游吟詩人
10:38
would travel across the land
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會遊歷整片土地,
10:40
singing their tales and sharing their verses:
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唱他們的故事,分享他們的詩歌。
10:43
Lesbor travels through the Balkans like this,
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列斯波也如此游走在巴爾幹地區,
10:46
singing, connecting people divided
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歌唱着,聯係着人們,
10:48
by religion, nationality and language.
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那些被宗教,國籍和語言區分開的人們。
10:51
Bosnians, Croats and Serbs
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波斯尼亞人,克羅地亞人和塞爾維亞人
10:53
find a rare shared space of pride in their history,
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找到了他們在歷史中少有的共通驕傲
10:56
and Lesbor reminds them that
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而列斯波則提示着這些人們
10:58
the songs one group often claims as theirs alone
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一些他們認爲是專屬於他們族群的歌曲
11:01
really belong to them all.
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其實屬於大家。
11:03
(Singing)
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♪♪♪
11:23
Yesterday, Mallika Sarabhai showed us
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昨天,瑪麗卡。薩拉巴伊給我們展示了
11:25
that music can create a world
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音樂能創造一個
11:27
more accepting of difference
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比我們原有的世界
11:29
than the one we have been given.
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更能接受差異的世界。
11:32
The world Leymah Gbowee was given
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雷瑪寳儀所処的世界
11:34
was a world at war.
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是一個充滿戰爭的世界。
11:36
Liberia had been torn apart by civil strife for decades.
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利比里亞幾十年來都因國内戰爭而四分五裂。
11:40
Leymah was not an activist, she was a mother of three.
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雷瑪並不是一個激進分子,她是三個小孩的母親。
11:43
But she was sick with worry:
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但她已厭倦了擔心,
11:45
She worried her son would be abducted
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她擔心她的兒子會被綁架
11:47
and taken off to be a child soldier,
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並被抓去當童兵。
11:49
she worried her daughters would be raped,
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她擔心她的女兒們會被強姦。
11:51
she worried for their lives.
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她擔心兒女們的生命危險。
11:54
One night, she had a dream.
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有天晚上,她做了一個夢。
11:56
She dreamt she and thousands of other women
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她夢見她和成千的其他女性
11:58
ended the bloodshed.
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結束了這些流血事件。
12:00
The next morning at church, she asked others how they felt.
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第二天早上在教堂,她問其他人有什麽感覺。
12:03
They were all tired of the fighting.
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他們都厭倦了戰爭。
12:05
We need peace, and we need our leaders to know
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我們需要和平,我們需要讓我們的領袖們知道
12:08
we will not rest until there is peace.
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我們不會停止戰鬥直至和平到來。
12:11
Among Leymah's friends was a policewoman who was Muslim.
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雷瑪的其中一個穆斯林朋友是一名女警察。
12:14
She promised to raise the issue with her community.
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她答應雷瑪會在她的圈子裏提出這個問題。
12:17
At the next Friday sermon,
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在接下來的週五的佈道會上,
12:19
the women who were sitting in the side room of the mosque
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坐在寺裏邊房的女人們
12:21
began to share their distress at the state of affairs.
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開始分享她們對國事的苦惱。
12:24
"What does it matter?" they said, "A bullet doesn't distinguish
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她們說:“這有什麽分別呢?子彈分不出
12:27
between a Muslim and a Christian."
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穆斯林還是基督徒。”
12:29
This small group of women,
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這一小組的女人
12:31
determined to bring an end to the war,
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決心要結束這場戰爭。
12:33
and they chose to use their traditions to make a point:
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同時,她們選擇了用她們傳統的方式表達意願。
12:36
Liberian women usually wear
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利比里亞的女人通常
12:38
lots of jewelry and colorful clothing.
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戴很多的珠寶首飾和穿顔色鮮豔的衣服。
12:40
But no, for the protest, they dressed
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但不,在抗議中,她們全都穿白色的衣服,
12:42
all in white, no makeup.
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沒有化妝。
12:44
As Leymah said, "We wore the white
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如雷瑪所說:“我們穿白色的衣服,
12:46
saying we were out for peace."
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表明我們爲了和平站了出來。”
12:48
They stood on the side of the road on which
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她們站在馬路邊,
12:50
Charles Taylor's motorcade passed every day.
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查爾斯。泰勒的車隊每天都經過那裏。
12:52
They stood for weeks --
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她們站了幾週,
12:54
first just 10, then 20, then 50, then hundreds of women --
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由開始的10名,到20名,到50名,到後來的幾百名女性,
12:57
wearing white, singing, dancing,
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她們都穿着白色的衣服,唱着歌,跳着舞,
13:00
saying they were out for peace.
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表達着他們出來求和平的願望。
13:03
Eventually, opposing forces in Liberia
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最終,利比里亞的反對勢力
13:05
were pushed to hold peace talks in Ghana.
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被迫在加納舉行和平談判。
13:09
The peace talks dragged on and on and on.
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這次和平談判沒完沒了地拖了好長時間。
13:12
Leymah and her sisters had had enough.
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雷瑪和她的姊妹們再也受不了了。
13:14
With their remaining funds, they took
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她們用剩下的基金,帶領了
13:16
a small group of women down to the venue of the peace talks
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一小組的女人到談判舉行的地方
13:18
and they surrounded the building.
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包圍了整座樓。
13:20
In a now famous CNN clip,
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在一段CNN的著名視頻中,
13:23
you can see them sitting on the ground, their arms linked.
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你能看到她們坐在地上,手挽着手。
13:25
We know this in India. It's called a [Hindi].
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我們知道在印度,這叫(印度語)。
13:29
Then things get tense.
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然後事情變得緊張起來。
13:31
The police are called in to physically remove the women.
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他們把警察叫來了,要把這群女人帶走。
13:34
As the senior officer approaches with a baton,
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當一名警官手持警棍走近她們時,
13:37
Leymah stands up with deliberation,
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雷瑪特意站了起來,
13:39
reaches her arms up over her head,
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把手高舉過頭,
13:41
and begins, very slowly,
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然後開始,慢慢地,
13:43
to untie her headdress that covers her hair.
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把裹着頭髮的頭布解開。
13:46
You can see the policeman's face.
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人們能看到這名警官的臉。
13:49
He looks embarrassed. He backs away.
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非常尷尬地退開了。
13:52
And the next thing you know,
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然後你能猜到接下來所發生的,
13:54
the police have disappeared.
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警察離開了。
13:56
Leymah said to me later,
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雷瑪後來跟我說:
13:58
"It's a taboo, you know, in West Africa.
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“這是禁忌,你知道嗎,在西非,
14:01
If an older woman undresses in front of a man
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如果一名年長的女人,只要她想,
14:04
because she wants to,
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在一名男子面前脫衣服,
14:06
the man's family is cursed."
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男人的家庭會受到詛咒。”
14:08
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
14:10
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
14:12
She said, "I don't know if he did it because he believed,
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她說:“我不知道他這麽做是否是因爲他相信這個,
14:15
but he knew we were not going to leave.
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但他知道我們不會離開的。
14:17
We were not going to leave until the peace accord was signed."
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如果不簽和平條約,我們是不會離開的。”
14:20
And the peace accord was signed.
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然後和平條約簽署了。
14:22
And the women of Liberia
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而利比里亞的女人們
14:24
then mobilized in support of Ellen Johnson Sirleaf,
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動員起來支持Ellen Johnson Sirleaf,
14:27
a woman who broke a few taboos herself
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她是一名打破禁忌的女性
14:29
becoming the first elected woman head of state
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並且後來成爲了非洲第一位選舉產生的
14:31
in Africa in years.
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女總統。
14:35
When she made her presidential address,
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當她發表總統演説時,
14:38
she acknowledged these brave women of Liberia
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她感謝了這些勇敢的利比里亞女人。
14:40
who allowed her to win against a football star --
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她們的幫助使她贏得可與一名足球明星--
14:43
that's soccer for you Americans --
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也就是美式足球--
14:45
no less.
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相媲美。
14:47
Women like Sakena and Leah
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像薩奇娜、麗阿還有
14:49
and Leymah
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雷瑪一般的女人,
14:51
have humbled me and changed me
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使我覺得自己卑微並改變了我,
14:54
and made me realize that I should not be so quick
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使我意識到我不應該這麽快
14:57
to jump to assumptions of any kind.
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就得出任何形式的假設。
15:01
They've also saved me from my righteous anger
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她們把我從我正直的憤怒中解救了出來,
15:03
by offering insights into this third way.
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並為這第三种方式提供了深刻的見解。
15:07
A Filipina activist once said to me,
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一名菲律賓的激進分子曾經跟我說,
15:09
"How do you cook a rice cake?
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“你是怎樣做年糕的?
15:11
With heat from the bottom and heat from the top."
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從下面加熱然後從上面加熱。”
15:14
The protests, the marches,
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那些示威,那些遊行,
15:16
the uncompromising position that
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都堅定地認爲
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women's rights are human rights, full stop.
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女權是人權,停止了。
15:22
That's the heat from the bottom.
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這是從下面加熱。
15:24
That's Malcolm X and the suffragists
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那是馬爾科姆X和婦女政權論者
15:26
and gay pride parades.
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和同性戀的驕傲遊行
15:28
But we also need the heat from the top.
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但我們也需要來自上面的熱量。
15:30
And in most parts of the world,
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而在世界上的大部分地方,
15:32
that top is still
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那些上層,仍然
15:34
controlled by men.
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被男性所控制着。
15:36
So to paraphrase Marx: Women make change,
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所以用馬克思的話説:女人做出變革,
15:39
but not in circumstances of their own choosing.
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但並不是在她們選擇的環境中。
15:42
They have to negotiate.
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她們必須協商。
15:44
They have to subvert tradition that once silenced them
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她們必須顛覆那些曾令她們沒有發言權的傳統
15:47
in order to give voice to new aspirations.
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而對新的抱負發出她們的聲音。
15:50
And they need allies from their communities.
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而她們需要來自她們圈子的同盟們,
15:53
Allies like the imam,
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比如上述的教長,
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allies like the father who now writes songs
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比如幫克羅地亞同性戀組合
15:57
for a lesbian group in Croatia,
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寫歌的父親,
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allies like the policeman who honored a taboo and backed away,
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比如尊敬禁忌而離開的警察,
16:03
allies like my father,
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比如我的父親,
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who couldn't help his sister but has helped three daughters
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雖然他幫不了他的妹妹,但幫助他的三個女兒
16:08
pursue their dreams.
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追求她們自己的夢想。
16:10
Maybe this is because feminism,
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也許是因爲女權運動
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unlike almost every other social movement,
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不像其他幾乎所有的社會運動,
16:14
is not a struggle against a distinct oppressor --
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並不是反對一名暴君。
16:17
it's not the ruling class
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這反對的不是統治階級,
16:19
or the occupiers or the colonizers --
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不是侵佔者也不是殖民者,
16:22
it's against a deeply held set of beliefs and assumptions
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它反對的是關於女性一些根深蒂固的信仰和假設,
16:25
that we women, far too often,
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經常性的,
16:28
hold ourselves.
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阻止了我們前進。
16:30
And perhaps this is the ultimate gift of feminism,
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而也許這是女權運動最終的禮物,
16:33
that the personal is in fact the political.
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就是這裡的人事其實帶有政治色彩。
16:36
So that, as Eleanor Roosevelt said once of human rights,
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所以,正如愛蓮娜羅斯福(羅斯福總統夫人)曾經談過的人權問題,
16:38
the same is true of gender equality:
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對於性別平等也是一樣的,
16:41
that it starts in small places, close to home.
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就是這些都會從家附近的一些小地方開始。
16:44
On the streets, yes,
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也許在街上,
16:46
but also in negotiations at the kitchen table
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也有可能在廚房的餐桌上進行協商
16:49
and in the marital bed
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或在她們的婚床上
16:51
and in relationships between lovers and parents
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或發生在她們與情人,父母,
16:53
and sisters and friends.
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姐妹和朋友的相處中。
16:57
And then
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然後,再然後
16:59
you realize that by integrating
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你會意識到女人們通過融合她們
17:01
aspects of tradition and community
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傳統的視角和社區
17:03
into their struggles,
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到她們的鬥爭中,
17:05
women like Sakena and Leah and Leymah --
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如薩奇娜和麗阿和雷瑪,
17:08
but also women like Sonia Gandhi here in India
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還有印度的索尼阿甘地,
17:10
and Michelle Bachelet in Chile
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智利的密歇爾巴切萊特,
17:13
and Shirin Ebadi in Iran --
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還有伊朗的希尔琳·艾芭迪
17:16
are doing something else.
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都在做別的事情。
17:18
They're challenging the very notion
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她們挑戰那個
17:20
of Western models of development.
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傳統的西方發展模式。
17:23
They are saying, we don't have to be like you
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她們表示:我們不需要和你們一樣
17:26
to make change.
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而改革。
17:28
We can wear a sari or a hijab
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我們可以穿莎麗,裹頭巾
17:31
or pants or a boubou,
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可以穿短褲,也可以穿長袍,
17:33
and we can be party leaders and presidents
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我們也可以成爲黨派領袖或總統
17:36
and human rights lawyers.
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也可以成爲人權律師。
17:38
We can use our tradition to navigate change.
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我們可以利用我們的傳統來引導變革。
17:41
We can demilitarize societies
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我們可以解除武裝,
17:44
and pour resources, instead,
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取而代之將資源投入到
17:46
into reservoirs of genuine security.
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真正意義的安全儲備上。
17:50
It is in these little stories,
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在我講的這些小故事中,
17:53
these individual stories,
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這些個別的故事中,
17:55
that I see a radical epic being written
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我看到了全世界的女性正在譜寫
17:57
by women around the world.
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一曲不同凡響的史詩。
17:59
It is in these threads
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她們如一根根細綫
18:01
that are being woven into a resilient fabric
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織入一塊彈性的布料中,
18:03
that will sustain communities,
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幫助維持社會穩定,
18:06
that I find hope.
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織入希望。
18:08
And if my heart is singing,
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而如果我的心在歌唱,
18:10
it's because in these little fragments,
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是因爲通過在這些細小的片斷,
18:13
every now and again, you catch a glimpse
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人們能不時地瞥見
18:15
of a whole, of a whole new world.
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整個世界,一個全新的世界。
18:18
And she is definitely on her way.
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而女性不可否認地在前進的道路上。
18:21
Thank you.
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謝謝。
18:23
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