Who would the rest of the world vote for in your country's election? | Simon Anholt

翻译人员: Zaida Zhang 校对人员: Jiawei Ni

Well, as many of you know,

嗯，在座很多人都知道，

the results of the recent election were as follows:

最近的选举有以下的结果：

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate

民主党候候选人希拉里·克林顿

won a landslide victory

获得了一大胜利

with 52 percent of the overall vote.

她获得的选票占全部选票的52%

Jill Stein, the Green candidate,

绿党候选人，吉尔·斯坦

came a distant second, with 19 percent.

以19%的选票遥遥落后称为第二名。

Donald J. Trump, the Republic candidate,

唐纳德·特朗普，共和党候选人

was hot on her heels with 14 percent,

获得14%的选票，

and the remainder of the vote were shared between abstainers

其余的选票则在“弃权候选人”

and Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate.

和自由党候选人盖瑞·约翰森中分配。

(Laughter)

（笑声）

Now, what parallel universe do you suppose I live in?

现在，你觉得我活在哪个平行宇宙里？

Well, I don't live in a parallel universe.

其实，我并没活在平行宇宙。

I live in the world, and that is how the world voted.

我活在这个世界上， 而这就是这个世界投票的结果。

So let me take you back and explain what I mean by that.

所以我带你们回顾一下， 然后我来解释我是什么意思。

In June this year,

在今年六月，

I launched something called the Global Vote.

我发动了名为“全球投票”的活动。

And the Global Vote does exactly what it says on the tin.

“全球投票”所言不虚。

For the first time in history,

这是有史以来第一次，

it lets anybody, anywhere in the world,

让全世界任何地方任何人

vote in the elections of other people's countries.

为其他国家的大选投票。

Now, why would you do that?

那么，你为什么要这么做？

What's the point?

这有什么意义？

Well, let me show you what it looks like.

那么，我来给你们看看 这是怎么样的。

You go to a website,

你去到一个网站，

rather a beautiful website,

这个网站很美观，

and then you select an election.

然后你选择一项选举。

Here's a bunch that we've already covered.

我们在这已经包含了很多选举。

We do about one a month, or thereabouts.

我们差不多一个月能做好一个。

So you can see Bulgaria, the United States of America,

于是你可以看到保加利亚， 看到美国，

Secretary-General of the United Nations,

联合国秘书长，

the Brexit referendum at the end there.

英国脱欧公投在末尾处。

You select the election that you're interested in,

你选择自己有兴趣的选举，

and you pick the candidates.

然后你选择候选人。

These are the candidates from the recent presidential election

这些是最近总统选举的候选人

in the tiny island nation of São Tomé and Príncipe,

这个选举是在圣多美和普林西比，

199,000 inhabitants,

一个有190万人口的

off the coast of West Africa.

西非海岸的小小的岛国。

And then you can look at the brief summary of each of those candidates

你可以看到每个候选人的简要介绍，

which I dearly hope is very neutral,

我真心的希望这些介绍是客观公正，

very informative and very succinct.

简明扼要的。

And when you've found the one you like, you vote.

你发现了自己喜欢的候选人， 然后为他投票。

These were the candidates

这些候选人

in the recent Icelandic presidential election,

最近在竞选冰岛总统，

and that's the way it goes.

它是这样进行的。

So why on earth would you want to vote in another country's election?

所以我们到底为什么要为 别的国家的选举投票呢？

Well, the reason that you wouldn't want to do it,

好吧，你不想去投票的原因，

let me reassure you,

我再跟你确认一遍，

is in order to interfere in the democratic processes of another country.

是因为你不想干涉别国内政进程。

That's not the purpose at all.

干涉别国内政根本不是我们的目的。

In fact, you can't,

事实上，你并不能干涉，

because usually what I do is I release the results

因为通常来讲，我公布选举结果

after the electorate in each individual country has already voted,

是在别的国家是在每个国家的选民 完成投票之后的，

so there's no way that we could interfere in that process.

所以我们不可能干涉选举进程。

But more importantly,

但更重要的是，

I'm not particularly interested

我并不是很感兴趣

in the domestic issues of individual countries.

别国的国内事务。

That's not what we're voting on.

我们并不是为这个投票。

So what Donald J. Trump or Hillary Clinton proposed to do for the Americans

所以，唐纳德·特朗普或者希拉里·克林顿 想要为美国人做什么

is frankly none of our business.

跟我们真的没关系。

That's something that only the Americans can vote on.

那是只有美国人有权投票的事情。

No, in the global vote, you're only considering one aspect of it,

不，在全球投票中， 你只要考虑一个方面，

which is what are those leaders going to do for the rest of us?

那就是这些领袖能为世界上的其他人 做什么？

And that's so very important because we live,

这一点非常重要，因为我们生活在，

as no doubt you're sick of hearing people tell you,

毫无疑问你早就听烦了别人这么说，

in a globalized, hyperconnected, massively interdependent world

生活在一个全球化的、超联通的、 极度相互依存的世界上，

where the political decisions of people in other countries

在这个世界上，别国的政治决定

can and will have an impact on our lives

能够也将会影响我们的生活。

no matter who we are, no matter where we live.

不论你是谁，不论你在哪。

Like the wings of the butterfly

就像蝴蝶在太平洋的一边

beating on one side of the Pacific

扇动一下翅膀

that can apparently create a hurricane on the other side,

就可能引起大洋彼岸的一阵飓风。

so it is with the world that we live in today

我们如今生活的世界

and the world of politics.

和政治世界都是如此。

There is no longer a dividing line between domestic and international affairs.

国内事务与国际事务不再泾渭分明。

Any country, no matter how small,

任何国家，不论它有多小，

even if it's São Tomé and Príncipe,

即使是圣多美和普林西比这样的国家，

could produce the next Nelson Mandela

也可以走出来下一个尼尔逊·曼德拉，

or the next Stalin.

或者是下一个斯大林。

They could pollute the atmosphere and the oceans, which belong to all of us,

他们可能会污染属于所有人的大气层，

or they could be responsible and they could help all of us.

也可能挑起重担帮助所有人，

And yet, the system is so strange

可是，这个系统是那么陌生

because the system hasn't caught up with this globalized reality.

因为它还没有追赶上全球化的现实。

Only a small number of people are allowed to vote for those leaders,

只有很少数人有权为领袖投票，

even though their impact is gigantic

尽管他们的影响是巨大的，

and almost universal.

甚至在全世界都有影响，

What number was it?

这个数目是多少？

140 million Americans voted

1400万美国人投票

for the next president of the United States,

给下一任美国总统

and yet, as all of us knows, in a few weeks time,

但是，正如我们所知，在几周之内，

somebody is going to hand over the nuclear launch codes

就有人要把核发射密码

to Donald J. Trump.

交给唐纳德·特朗普。

Now, if that isn't having a potential impact on all of us,

那么，如果这对我们所有人 都没有潜在影响的话，

I don't know what is.

我就不知道还有什么能有影响了。

Similarly, the election for the referendum on the Brexit vote,

相似的，在英国脱欧公投中，

a small number of millions of British people voted on that,

英国只有少数公民进行了投票，

but the outcome of the vote, whichever way it went,

但是投票的结果，不管是什么，

would have had a significant impact

都会有巨大的影响

on the lives of tens, hundreds of millions of people around the world.

对于全球数以千百万计的人来说。

And yet, only a tiny number could vote.

但是，只有很少数人能够投票，

What kind of democracy is that?

这算哪门子的民主？

Huge decisions that affect all of us

能够影响所有人的重大决定，

being decided by relatively very small numbers of people.

是由相对很少数人做出的。

And I don't know about you,

我不知道你们怎么看，

but I don't think that sounds very democratic.

反正我不认为这么做有多民主。

So I'm trying to clear it up.

所以我想要说清楚。

But as I say,

但是，正如我说的，

we don't ask about domestic questions.

我们不过问国内问题，

In fact, I only ever ask two questions of all of the candidates.

实际上，对所有的候选人， 我只问过两个问题。

I send them the same two questions every single time.

我向所有人同时发送两个问题。

I say, one,

我问，第一，

if you get elected, what are you going to do for the rest of us,

如果你获选了， 你将为其他人做什么，

for the remainder of the seven billion who live on this planet?

为你国之外， 全球七十亿人做什么？

Second question:

第二个问题：

What is your vision for your country's future in the world?

在你眼里， 你国在世界的未来是怎样的？

What role do you see it playing?

你认为你国会扮演什么角色？

Every candidate, I send them those questions.

我向每个候选人都发了这些问题。

They don't all answer. Don't get me wrong.

并不是所有人都回复我。别误会。

I reckon if you're standing

我理解，如果你想成为

to become the next president of the United States,

下一任美国总统，

you're probably pretty tied up most of the time,

那你很可能大多数时候都很忙，

so I'm not altogether surprised that they don't all answer, but many do.

所以你不回复我我不会感到很惊讶， 但是很多人会回复。

More every time.

每一次都会有更多人回复。

And some of them do much more than answer.

一些人还不仅仅是回答了问题。

Some of them answer in the most enthusiastic and most exciting way

有的人还以你能想象到的，

you could imagine.

最热情最激动的方式回复你。

I just want to say a word here for Saviour Chishimba,

在此我想为Saviour Chishimba说句话，

who was one of the candidates

他是最近赞比亚大选

in the recent Zambian presidential election.

的一位候选人。

His answers to those two questions were basically an 18-page dissertation

他对那两个问题的回复差不多 有18页论文那么长

on his view of Zambia's potential role in the world

不仅以他的角度看赞比亚 在世界上的角色，

and in the international community.

还有在国际社会的角色。

I posted it on the website so anybody could read it.

我把他的回复发布在了网站上， 这样所有人都能看到。

Now, Saviour won the global vote,

现在，Saviour Chishimba赢得了全球投票，

but he didn't win the Zambian election.

但是他没有在国内选举获胜。

So I found myself wondering,

所以我自己在思考，

what am I going to do with this extraordinary group of people?

我要对这些卓越的人做点什么呢？

I've got some wonderful people here who won the global vote.

这里有些人赢得了全球选举。

We always get it wrong, by the way.

顺便说一句，我们总会选错。

The one that we elect

我们选的那个人

is never the person who's elected by the domestic electorate.

永远都不是赢得国内选举的人，

That may be partly because we always seem to go for the woman.

部分原因可能是我们 看起来总是支持女性。

But I think it may also be a sign

但是我想这可能也是个信号

that the domestic electorate is still thinking very nationally.

告诉我们国内选举的思维依然非常本国化。

They're still thinking very inwardly.

他们的想法仍然着眼小处。

They're still asking themselves: What's in it for me? ...

他们仍然在问自己： 这对我有什么好处？

instead of what they should be asking today,

而不是他们如今该问的

which is, what's in it for we?

这对我们有什么好处？

But there you go.

这样来。

So suggestions, please, not right now,

请你 把建议，不是现在，

but send me an email if you've got an idea

用邮件发给我，如果你有想法

about what we can do with this amazing team of glorious losers.

关于我们这个“光荣废柴”团队 能做些什么？

(Laughter)

（笑声）

We've got Saviour Chishimba, who I mentioned before.

我们有我刚刚提到的Saviour Chishimba。

We've got Halla Tómasdóttir,

我们有Halla Tómasdóttir，

who was the runner up in the Icelandic presidential election.

她在冰岛总统选举的全球投票中 遥遥领先。

Many of you may have seen her amazing talk at TEDWomen

其中很多人你们都在TED女性演讲中见过

just a few weeks ago

就在几周前

where she spoke about the need for more women to get into politics.

她讲了更多女性应该参与到 政治中去。

We've got Maria das Neves from São Tomé and Príncipe.

我们有圣多美和普林西比的 Maria das Neves。

We've got Hillary Clinton.

我们有希拉里·克林顿。

I don't know if she's available.

我不知道她是不是有空。

We've got Jill Stein.

我们有吉尔·斯丁。

And we covered also the election

我们也包含了

for the next Secretary-General of the United Nations.

下任联合国秘书长的竞选。

We've got the ex-prime minister of New Zealand,

我们有新西兰前任总理，

who would be a wonderful member of the team.

他会是团队里出色的一员。

So I think maybe those people,

所以我想，也许这些人

the glorious loser's club, could travel around the world

这个“光荣废柴俱乐部”可以穿梭于全球

wherever there's an election

哪里有选举

and remind people of the necessity in our modern age

就去哪提醒人们， 在现代，很有必要

of thinking a little bit outwards

要向外看一点，

and thinking of the international consequences.

要考虑国际后果。

So what comes next for the global vote?

所以下一个全球投票是什么？

Well, obviously,

好吧，很明显，

the Donald and Hillary show is a bit of a difficult one to follow,

唐纳德和希拉里的跟进看起来有点困难，

but there are some other really important elections coming up.

但是接下来也有很多真的很重要的选举。

In fact, they seem to be multiplying.

实际上，他们看起来多种多样。

There's something going on, I'm sure you've noticed, in the world.

我确定你已经注意到了， 这世界上正有事发生，

And the next row of elections are all critically important.

下一轮选举至关重要。

In just a few day's time

在短短几天时间里

we've got the rerun of the Austrian presidential election,

我们重新进行了奥地利的总统选举，

with the prospect of Norbert Hofer

诺贝尔·霍费尔有前景成为

becoming what is commonly described

第二次世界大战以来

as the first far-right head of state in Europe since the Second World War.

欧洲第一个极右派的国家元首。

Next year we've got Germany,

明年我们会做德国大选，

we've got France,

法国大选，

we've got presidential elections in Iran

还有伊朗的总统选举

and a dozen others.

以及许多其他国家的选举。

It doesn't get less important.

这不会变的无关紧要。

It gets more and more important.

反而会日益重要。

Clearly, the global vote is not a stand-alone project.

显然，全球投票不是 一个单枪匹马的项目

It's not just there on its own.

它不是仅靠自己的。

It has some background.

全球投票是有背景的，

It's part of a project which I launched back in 2014,

它是我2014年启动的项目的一部分，

which I call the Good Country.

那个项目叫“优秀国家”

The idea of the Good Country is basically very simple.

“优秀国家”的理念大体上很简单。

It's my simple diagnosis of what's wrong with the world

它是关于我对这个世界 有什么问题的简单判断，

and how we can fix it.

以及我们该如何修补这些问题。

What's wrong with the world I've already hinted at.

我已经暗示过这个世界有什么问题了。

Basically, we face an enormous and growing number

大体上，我们面对着数量庞大 且不断增长着的

of gigantic, existential global challenges:

巨大的全球挑战：

climate change, human rights abuses,

气候变化、侵犯人权、

mass migration, terrorism, economic chaos, weapons proliferation.

大量移民、恐怖主义、经济混沌 以及武器扩散等。

All of these problems which threaten to wipe us out

所有这些问题都有摧毁人类的威胁，

are by their very nature globalized problems.

它们的本质都是全球化问题。

No individual country has the capability of tackling them on its own.

没有任何国家能靠一己之力 解决这些问题。

And so very obviously

同样，显而易见，

we have to cooperate and we have to collaborate as nations

如果我们想要解决这些问题，

if we're going to solve these problems.

我们必须合作， 并且是国际层面上的协作。

It's so obvious, and yet we don't.

这么明显的事情，我们还是没有做。

We don't do it nearly often enough.

我们做的太不够了。

Most of the time, countries still persist in behaving

大多数时候，各国仍然坚持表现得

as if they were warring, selfish tribes battling against each other,

就像他们在交战，就像自私的部落 互相斗争，

much as they have done since the nation-state was invented

很像它们几百年前

hundreds of years ago.

成立了国家时做的那样。

And this has got to change.

这必须要改变。

This is not a change in political systems or a change in ideology.

这不是政治制度或是意识形态的改变，

This is a change in culture.

而是文化的改变。

We, all of us, have to understand

我们所有人，一定要理解

that thinking inwards is not the solution to the world's problems.

内向地思考不能解决世界性的问题。

We have to learn how to cooperate and collaborate a great deal more

我们必须要学会大大加大合作力度，

and compete just a tiny bit less.

并且稍微减少一点竞争。

Otherwise things are going to carry on getting bad

否则事态会持续恶化

and they're going to get much worse, much sooner than we anticipate.

恶化的速度会大大超出我们的预料。

This change will only happen

要想做出改变

if we ordinary people

我们这些普通人

tell our politicians that things have changed.

必须要告知政治家们 时代已经改变了。

We have to tell them that the culture has changed.

我们必须告诉政治家们 文化已经改变了。

We have to tell them that they've got a new mandate.

我们必须告诉他们， 我们给了他们新的任命。

The old mandate was very simple and very single:

以前的人民简单而单一：

if you're in a position of power or authority,

如果你身处权威手握权力，

you're responsible for your own people and your own tiny slice of territory,

你要为你的人民和你自己的国界负责，

and that's it.

仅此而已。

And if in order to do the best thing for your own people,

而你如果想为人民做好事，

you screw over everybody else on the planet, that's even better.

你就要毁掉所有异己，这就更好了。

That's considered to be a bit macho.

想来这有些大男子主义。

Today, I think everybody in a position of power and responsibility

今天，我认为每一个身处权威 与责任之重的人，

has got a dual mandate,

都有一个双重任命，

which says if you're in a position of power and responsibility,

这就是说，如果你手握权威与责任，

you're responsible for your own people

你要对你的人民负责，

and for every single man, woman, child and animal on the planet.

也要为这个世界上的每一个男性、女性、 孩子还有动物负责。

You're responsible for your own slice of territory

你要为你自己的国土负责，

and for every single square mile of the earth's surface

也要为地球上的每一寸土地负责。

and the atmosphere above it.

还要为土地上的大气层负责。

And if you don't like that responsibility, you should not be in power.

如果你不想担负这份责任， 你也不应该掌握权力。

That for me is the rule of the modern age,

对我来说，这就是现代的规则

and that's the message that we've got to get across to our politicians,

这是我们必须传达给政治家的信息

and show them that that's the way things are done these days.

还要展示给他们看这就是 如今做事的方法。

Otherwise, we're all screwed.

否则，我们都完了。

I don't have a problem, actually,

真的，我对唐纳德特朗普的 ”美国第一“的信条

with Donald Trump's credo of "America first."

并没有什么意见。

It seems to me that that's a pretty banal statement

在我看来这是个很平庸的声明

of what politicians have always done and probably should always do.

政治家们一直是这么做的， 可能也应该永远这么做。

Of course they're elected to represent the interests of their own people.

他们当选当然是要去代表本国人民的。

But what I find so boring and so old-fashioned

但是我发现他见解的无聊而且过时，

and so unimaginative about his take on that

以及缺乏想象力的是，

is that America first means everyone else last,

“美国第一”的意思是 所有别人都得排在最后，

that making America great again means making everybody else small again,

让美国再次伟大的意思 是让所有别人都再次渺小，

and it's just not true.

这不是事实。

In my job as a policy advisor over the last 20 years or so,

在过去的20年左右， 我作为一名政策顾问，

I've seen so many hundreds of examples of policies

我看到了数百个例子，

that harmonize the international and the domestic needs,

协调国际和国内需求政策，

and they make better policy.

并制定了更好的政策。

I'm not asking nations to be altruistic or self-sacrificing.

我不是要求各国进行利他主义 或自我牺牲。

That would be ridiculous.

那是荒唐的。

No nation would ever do that.

没有国家会那么做。

I'm asking them to wake up and understand that we need a new form of governance,

我要求的是他们醒悟并理解 我们需要的是一种新的治理方式，

which is possible

这是可能的，

and which harmonizes those two needs,

协调这两个需求

those good for our own people and those good for everybody else.

对我们的人民有好处， 也对每个人都有好处。

Since the US election and since Brexit

自从美国大选和英国脱欧，

it's become more and more obvious to me

对我来说越来越显而易见的是

that those old distinctions of left wing and right wing

那些关于左翼与右翼的老旧区分

no longer make sense.

不再说得通了。

They really don't fit the pattern.

它们真的不符合当今的模式了。

What does seem to matter today

在今天，要紧的事情

is very simple,

是很简单的，

whether your view of the world is

要紧的是你对这个世界的看法

that you take comfort from looking inwards and backwards,

是不是通过向内看与向后看 而得到安慰，

or whether, like me, you find hope in looking forwards and outwards.

或者是不是像我一样， 从向外看和向前看来找到希望。

That's the new politics.

这就是新的政治。

That's the new division that is splitting the world right down the middle.

这就是把世界从中间分开的新区分。

Now, that may sound judgmental, but it's not meant to be.

现在，这听起来可能主观判断的， 但不是注定的。

I don't at all misunderstand

我完全不理解

why so many people find their comfort in looking inwards and backwards.

为什么有那么多人在向里向后看中 找到了宽慰。

When times are difficult, when you're short of money,

当时光艰难，当你缺钱，

when you're feeling insecure and vulnerable,

但你没有安全感感到脆弱的时候，

it's almost a natural human tendency to turn inwards,

几乎是人的天性使然，让人向内地

to think of your own needs

去考虑自己的需求

and to discard everybody else's,

并且抛弃别人的需求，

and perhaps to start to imagine that the past was somehow better

还可能开始想象过去比现在好

than the present or the future could ever be.

或者过去比未来能达到的要好。

But I happen to believe that that's a dead end.

但是碰巧，我认为那是死胡同一条。

History shows us that it's a dead end.

历史告诉我们那是一条死胡同。

When people turn inwards and turn backwards,

当人们向内看，向过去看的时候，

human progress becomes reversed

人类的进程开始倒退

and things get worse for everybody very quickly indeed.

对每个人来说事情很快都会 变的很糟糕。

If you're like me

如果你跟我一样

and you believe in forwards and outwards,

如果你也相信要向前看向外展望，

and you believe that the best thing about humanity is its diversity,

你也相信人性中最美好的事 就是多样性，

and the best thing about globalization

那么全球化最好的方面

is the way that it stirs up that diversity, that cultural mixture

就是它能搅动起多样化， 搅动起文化的混合

to make something more creative, more exciting, more productive

让事物的创造性、激动人心 和富有成效的程度

than there's ever been before in human history,

都超过人类历史上曾有的，

then, my friends, we've got a job on our hands,

那么，朋友们，我 们手上有了这么一项工作，

because the inwards and backwards brigade

因为向内看与向过去看的队伍

are uniting as never before,

比以往更加团结，

and that creed of inwards and backwards,

那向内看向过去看的信条，

that fear, that anxiety,

那份恐惧与焦虑

playing on the simplest instincts,

位于最简单的本能上，

is sweeping across the world.

正在席卷全球。

Those of us who believe,

我们之中相信，

as I believe, in forwards and outwards,

像我一样相信，在向前与向外看之中，

we have to get ourselves organized,

我们必须让自己更有条理有组织，

because time is running out very, very quickly.

因为时间正在非常非常快的耗光。

Thank you.

谢谢。

(Applause)

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