Martine Rothblatt: My daughter, my wife, our robot, and the quest for immortality

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Chris Anderson: So I guess what we're going to do is

Kris Anderson: Pretpostavljam

we're going to talk about your life,

da ćemo pričati o tvom životu,

and using some pictures that you shared with me.

koristeći neke fotografije koje si mi poslala.

And I think we should start right here with this one.

Mislim da bi trebalo da počnemo ovom.

Okay, now who is this?

U redu, ko je ovo?

Martine Rothblatt: This is me with our oldest son Eli.

Martina Rotblat: To sam ja, sa našim najstarijim sinom, Ilajem.

He was about age five.

Imao je oko pet godina.

This is taken in Nigeria

Ovo je snimljeno u Nigeriji

right after having taken the Washington, D.C. bar exam.

odmah posle polaganja pravosudnog ispita u Vašingtonu.

CA: Okay. But this doesn't really look like a Martine.

KA: OK, ali ovo baš i ne izgleda kao Martina.

MR: Right. That was myself as a male, the way I was brought up.

MR: Tako je. Tada sam bila muško, tako sam odrasla.

Before I transitioned from male to female and Martin to Martine.

Pre nego što sam prešla iz muškarca u ženu, iz Martina u Martinu.

CA: You were brought up Martin Rothblatt.

KA: Odrasla si kao Martin Rotblat.

MR: Correct.

MR: Tačno.

CA: And about a year after this picture, you married a beautiful woman.

KA: I oko godinu dana posle ove slike oženila si se jednom divnom ženom.

Was this love at first sight? What happened there?

Da li je to bila ljubav na prvi pogled? Kako se to desilo?

MR: It was love at the first sight.

MR: Bila je ljubav na prvi pogled.

I saw Bina at a discotheque in Los Angeles,

Videla sam Binu u jednoj diskoteci u Los Anđelesu,

and we later began living together,

kasnije smo počele da živimo zajedno,

but the moment I saw her, I saw just an aura of energy around her.

ali čim sam je videla, primetila sam auru energije oko nje.

I asked her to dance.

Zamolila sam je za ples.

She said she saw an aura of energy around me.

Rekla je da je videla auru energije oko mene.

I was a single male parent. She was a single female parent.

Bila sam samohrani otac, ona samohrana majka.

We showed each other our kids' pictures,

Pokazali smo jedno drugom slike naše dece

and we've been happily married for a third of a century now.

i u srećnom smo braku već trećinu veka.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

CA: And at the time, you were kind of this hotshot entrepreneur,

KA: U to vreme si bila važan preduzetnik,

working with satellites.

radila sa satelitima.

I think you had two successful companies,

Mislim da si imala dve uspešne kompanije,

and then you started addressing this problem

a potom si počela da radiš na problemu

of how could you use satellites to revolutionize radio.

korišćenja satelita u revoluciji radija.

Tell us about that.

Reci nam o tome.

MR: Right. I always loved space technology,

MR: Da. Uvek sam volela svemirsku tehnologiju

and satellites, to me, are sort of like the canoes that our ancestors

i sateliti su, po mom mišljenju, kao kanui koje su naši preci

first pushed out into the water.

gurnuli u vodu.

So it was exciting for me to be part of the navigation

Bilo mi je zanimljivo da budem deo navigacije

of the oceans of the sky,

okeana na nebu,

and as I developed different types of satellite communication systems,

i kako sam razvijala razne tipove sistema satelitske komunikacije,

the main thing I did was to launch bigger and more powerful satellites,

bilo je najvažnije da lansiram veće i moćnije satelite,

the consequence of which was that the receiving antennas

a posledica toga bi bile manje antene

could be smaller and smaller,

koje primaju signal,

and after going through direct television broadcasting,

i posle direktnog televizijskog emitovanja,

I had the idea that if we could make a more powerful satellite,

ideja mi je bila da ako bismo napravili moćniji satelit,

the receiving dish could be so small

prijemna antena bi bila toliko mala,

that it would just be a section of a parabolic dish,

da bi bila sam deo paraboličnog tanjira,

a flat little plate embedded into the roof of an automobile,

ravna pločica ugrađena na krov automobila,

and it would be possible to have nationwide satellite radio,

i bilo bi moguće imati satelitski radio širom zemlje,

and that's Sirius XM today.

i to je danas Sirius XM.

CA: Wow. So who here has used Sirius?

KA: Sjajno. Ko ovde koristi Sirius?

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

MR: Thank you for your monthly subscriptions.

MR: Hvala vam na mesečnim pretplatama.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

CA: So that succeeded despite all predictions at the time.

KA: To je uspelo, uprkos svim tadašnjim predviđanjima.

It was a huge commercial success,

Doživelo je ogroman komercijalni uspeh,

but soon after this, in the early 1990s,

ali ubrzo posle, ranih devedesetih,

there was this big transition in your life and you became Martine.

u tvom životu se desila velika promena i postala si Martina.

MR: Correct. CA: So tell me, how did that happen?

MR: Tačno. KA: Reci mi, kako se to desilo?

MR: It happened in consultation with Bina and our four beautiful children,

MR: Desilo se kroz konsultacije sa Binom i naše četvoro divne dece,

and I discussed with each of them

razgovarala sam sa svakim od njih

that I felt my soul was always female, and as a woman,

da se osećam da je moja duša uvek bila ženska,

but I was afraid people would laugh at me if I expressed it,

ali sam se plašila da će mi se ljudi smejati ako je pokažem,

so I always kept it bottled up

pa sam je uvek držala u sebi

and just showed my male side.

i pokazivala samo svoju mušku stranu.

And each of them had a different take on this.

I svako od njih je imao drugačije viđenje.

Bina said, "I love your soul,

Bina je rekla: "Ja volim tvoju dušu,

and whether the outside is Martin and Martine,

i bilo da je spolja Martin ili Martina,

it doesn't it matter to me, I love your soul."

meni nije važno, volim tvoju dušu."

My son said, "If you become a woman, will you still be my father?"

Moj sin je rekao: "Ako postaneš žena, da li ćeš i dalje biti moj otac?"

And I said, "Yes, I'll always be your father,"

Rekla sam, naravno, uvek ću biti tvoj otac,

and I'm still his father today.

i danas sam njegov otac.

My youngest daughter did an absolutely brilliant five-year-old thing.

Moja najmlađa ćerka je uradila najsjajniju stvar petogodišnjakinje.

She told people, "I love my dad and she loves me."

Govorila je ljudima: "Volim mog tatu, i ona voli mene".

So she had no problem with a gender blending whatsoever.

Uopšte nije imala problem sa stapanjem rodova.

CA: And a couple years after this, you published this book:

KA: I par godina kasnije, objavila si ovu knjigu:

"The Apartheid of Sex."

"The Apartheid of Sex."

What was your thesis in this book?

Šta je tvoja teorija u toj knjizi?

MR: My thesis in this book is that there are seven billion people in the world,

MR: Moja teorija je da na svetu ima 7 milijardi ljudi

and actually, seven billion unique ways to express one's gender.

i zapravo, 7 milijardi jedinstvenih načina da se izrazi rod.

And while people may have the genitals of a male or a female,

I ako ljudi možda imaju genitalije muškarca ili žene,

the genitals don't determine your gender

genitalije ne određuju vaš rod

or even really your sexual identity.

ili čak zapravo ni vaš seksualni identitet.

That's just a matter of anatomy

To je samo stvar anatomije

and reproductive tracts,

i reproduktivnih organa,

and people could choose whatever gender they want

a ljudi bi mogli da odaberu koji god žele rod,

if they weren't forced by society into categories of either male or female

da ih društvo ne prisiljava u kategorije muškarca ili žene,

the way South Africa used to force people into categories of black or white.

kao što je Južna Afrika prisiljavala ljude u kategorije crnaca ili belaca.

We know from anthropological science that race is fiction,

Iz antropologije znamo da je rasa fikcija,

even though racism is very, very real,

iako je rasizam veoma, veoma stvaran,

and we now know from cultural studies

i iz kulturologije znamo

that separate male or female genders is a constructed fiction.

da je podela na muški i ženski rod konstruisana.

The reality is a gender fluidity

Stvarnost je rodna fluidnost

that crosses the entire continuum from male to female.

koja pokriva čitav kontinuum od muškog do ženskog.

CA: You yourself don't always feel 100 percent female.

KA: Ti se ne osećaš uvek 100% kao žena.

MR: Correct. I would say in some ways

MR: Tačno. Na neki način

I change my gender about as often as I change my hairstyle.

menjam rod onoliko često koliko i frizure.

CA: (Laughs) Okay, now, this is your gorgeous daughter, Jenesis.

KA: (Smeh) OK, ovo je tvoja prelepa ćerka, Dženesis.

And I guess she was about this age when something pretty terrible happened.

Pretpostavljam da je bila ovih godina kada se nešto strašno desilo.

MR: Yes, she was finding herself unable to walk up the stairs

MR: Da, odjednom nije mogla da se penje uz stepenice

in our house to her bedroom,

do svoje sobe u našoj kući,

and after several months of doctors,

i posle nekoliko meseci poseta lekarima,

she was diagnosed to have a rare, almost invariably fatal disease

dijagnostikovana joj je retka, skoro sigurno smrtna bolest

called pulmonary arterial hypertension.

zvana plućna arterijska hipertenzija.

CA: So how did you respond to that?

KA: Kako ste reagovali na to?

MR: Well, we first tried to get her to the best doctors we could.

MR: Pa, prvo smo pokušali da je odvedemo kod najboljih mogućih lekara.

We ended up at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

Stigli smo do Nacionalnog dečjeg medicinskog centra u Vašingtonu.

The head of pediatric cardiology

Načelnik pedijatrijske kardiologije

told us that he was going to refer her to get a lung transplant,

rekao nam je da će je uputiti na transplantaciju pluća,

but not to hold out any hope,

ali da se ne nadamo mnogo,

because there are very few lungs available,

jer je veoma mali broj pluća dostupan,

especially for children.

naročito za decu.

He said that all people with this illness died,

Rekao je da su umrli svi koji su oboleli od ove bolesti,

and if any of you have seen the film "Lorenzo's Oil,"

i ako je neko od vas gledao film "Lorenzo's Oil",

there's a scene when the protagonist

tamo postoji scena gde se glavni lik

kind of rolls down the stairway crying and bemoaning the fate of his son,

skotrlja niz stepenice, plačući i kukajući nad sudbinom svog sina,

and that's exactly how we felt about Jenesis.

i upravo tako smo se osećali zbog Dženesis.

CA: But you didn't accept that as the limit of what you could do.

KA: Ali to niste prihvatili kao ograničenje.

You started trying to research and see if you could find a cure somehow.

Počeli ste da istražujete i vidite da li nekako možete da pronađete lek.

MR: Correct. She was in the intensive care ward for weeks at a time,

MR: Tako je. Ona je tada nedeljama bila na intenzivnoj nezi,

and Bina and I would tag team to stay at the hospital

a Bina i ja smo se smenjivali u bolnici,

while the other watched the rest of the kids,

dok je ono drugo čuvalo ostalu decu,

and when I was in the hospital and she was sleeping,

a kada sam ja bila u bolnici, a ona spavala,

I went to the hospital library.

išla sam u bolničku biblioteku.

I read every article that I could find on pulmonary hypertension.

Pročitala sam svaki članak koji sam našla o plućnoj hipertenziji.

I had not taken any biology, even in college,

Nikada nisam učila biologiju, čak ni na fakultetu,

so I had to go from a biology textbook to a college-level textbook

pa sam morala da krenem od osnova, sve do fakultetskog nivoa

and then medical textbook and the journal articles, back and forth,

i onda medicinskih knjiga, članaka, napred-nazad,

and eventually I knew enough to think that it might be possible

i na kraju sam znala dovoljno da bih mislila da je moguće

that somebody could find a cure.

da neko može da pronađe lek.

So we started a nonprofit foundation.

Osnovali smo neprofitnu fondaciju.

I wrote a description asking people to submit grants

Napisala sam opis, tražila od ljudi da podnesu radove,

and we would pay for medical research.

a mi bismo plaćali medicinska istraživanja.

I became an expert on the condition -- doctors said to me, Martine,

Postala sam stručnjak u toj oblasti - lekari su mi rekli, Martina,

we really appreciate all the funding you've provided us,

stvarno cenimo svo finansiranje koje si obezbedila,

but we are not going to be able to find a cure in time

ali nećemo uspeti da pronađemo lek na vreme

to save your daughter.

da bismo spasili tvoju ćerku.

However, there is a medicine

Međutim, postoji jedan lek

that was developed at the Burroughs Wellcome Company

koji razvija kompanija "Burroughs Wellcome"

that could halt the progression of the disease,

i koji bi mogao da uspori napredak bolesti,

but Burroughs Wellcome has just been acquired by Glaxo Wellcome.

ali tu kompaniju je upravo kupila kompanija "Glaxo Wellcome".

They made a decision not to develop

Oni su odlučili da ne razvijaju

any medicines for rare and orphan diseases,

nikakve lekove za retke bolesti,

and maybe you could use your expertise in satellite communications

možda možeš da iskoristiš svoju stručnost u satelitskim komunikacijama

to develop this cure for pulmonary hypertension.

da razviješ taj lek za plućnu hipertenziju.

CA: So how on earth did you get access to this drug?

KA: Kako si, zaboga, dobila pristup tom leku?

MR: I went to Glaxo Wellcome

MR: Otišla sam u "Glaxo Wellcome"

and after three times being rejected and having the door slammed in my face

i pošto su me odbili tri puta i zalupili mi vrata pred nosom,

because they weren't going to out-license the drug

jer nisu hteli da daju licencu za lek

to a satellite communications expert,

stručnjaku za satelitske komunikacije,

they weren't going to send the drug out to anybody at all,

nisu nikome hteli da daju lek,

and they thought I didn't have the expertise,

i mislili su da nisam stručna,

finally I was able to persuade a small team of people to work with me

konačno sam uspela da ubedim mali tim ljudi da rade sa mnom

and develop enough credibility.

i da razvijem kredibilitet.

I wore down their resistance,

Slomila sam njihov otpor,

and they had no hope this drug would even work, by the way,

a usput, oni se nisu ni nadali da će ovaj lek delovati,

and they tried to tell me, "You're just wasting your time.

pokušavali su da mi kažu:

We're sorry about your daughter."

"Samo traćite vreme. Žao nam je zbog vaše ćerke."

But finally, for 25,000 dollars

Ali konačno, za 25.000 dolara

and agreement to pay 10 percent of any revenues we might ever get,

i dogovor da platim 10% od bilo kakvih prihoda koje ostvarimo,

they agreed to give me worldwide rights to this drug.

pristali su da mi daju svetska prava na lek.

CA: And so you put this drug on the market in a really brilliant way,

KA: Lek si izbacila na tržište na sjajan način,

by basically charging what it would take to make the economics work.

naplaćujući samo toliko da pokriješ troškove.

MR: Oh yes, Chris, but this really wasn't a drug that I ended up --

MR: O da, Kris, ali to nije taj lek -

after I wrote the check for 25,000,

pošto sam napisala ček na 25.000 dolara,

and I said, "Okay, where's the medicine for Jenesis?"

i rekla: "U redu, gde je lek za Dženesis?"

they said, "Oh, Martine, there's no medicine for Jenesis.

oni su rekli: "Oh, Martina, ne postoji lek za Dženesis.

This is just something we tried in rats."

Ovo je samo nešto što smo isprobali na pacovima."

And they gave me, like, a little plastic Ziploc bag

I dali su mi plastičnu vrećicu

of a small amount of powder.

sa malom količinom praška.

They said, "Don't give it to any human,"

Rekli su: "Nemoj ovo davati ljudima",

and they gave me a piece of paper which said it was a patent,

i dali mi papir koji kaže da je to patent,

and from that, we had to figure out a way to make this medicine.

i od toga je trebalo da shvatimo kako da napravimo ovaj lek.

A hundred chemists in the U.S. at the top universities

Sto hemičara u SAD-u, sa najboljih univerziteta,

all swore that little patent could never be turned into a medicine.

zaklelo se da taj mali patent nikad neće moći da postane lek.

If it was turned into a medicine, it could never be delivered

I ako se pretvori u lek, neće moći da se primeni,

because it had a half-life of only 45 minutes.

jer mu je vreme poluraspada bilo samo 45 minuta.

CA: And yet, a year or two later, you were there with a medicine

KA: A ipak, godinu-dve kasnije, imala si lek

that worked for Jenesis.

koji je pomogao Dženesis.

MR: Chris, the astonishing thing is that this absolutely worthless

MR: Kris, izuzetna stvar je da ova potpuno bezvredna

piece of powder

količina praška,

that had the sparkle of a promise of hope for Jenesis

koja je dala iskru obećanja nade za Dženesis,

is not only keeping Jenesis and other people alive today,

ne samo da danas održava u životu Dženesis i druge ljude,

but produces almost a billion and a half dollars a year in revenue.

nego i donosi skoro milijardu ipo dolara zarade godišnje.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

CA: So here you go.

KA: Eto.

So you took this company public, right?

Ti si ovu kompaniju iznela na berzu, zar ne?

And made an absolute fortune.

I stekla ogromno bogatstvo.

And how much have you paid Glaxo, by the way, after that 25,000?

I koliko si ono platila Glaxu, posle onih 25.000?

MR: Yeah, well, every year we pay them 10 percent of 1.5 billion,

MR: Da, pa, svake godine im plaćamo 10% od milijardu ipo,

150 million dollars, last year 100 million dollars.

150 miliona dolara, prošle godine 100 miliona dolara.

It's the best return on investment they ever received. (Laughter)

To im je najbolja zarada na investiciju koju su ikada imali. (Smeh)

CA: And the best news of all, I guess,

KA: A najbolja od svih vesti, pretpostavljam,

is this.

je ovo.

MR: Yes. Jenesis is an absolutely brilliant young lady.

MR: Da, Dženesis je apsolutno predivna mlada dama.

She's alive, healthy today at 30.

Živa je, zdrava, danas ima 30 godina.

You see me, Bina and Jenesis there.

Tu smo ja, Bina i Dženesis.

The most amazing thing about Jenesis

Ono što je naizuzetnije u vezi s njom,

is that while she could do anything with her life,

je da je mogla da sa svojim životom uradi bilo šta,

and believe me, if you grew up your whole life with people

i veruj mi, ako odrastaš sa ljudima

in your face saying that you've got a fatal disease,

koji ti u lice govore da patiš od smrtne bolesti,

I would probably run to Tahiti and just not want to run into anybody again.

ja bih verovatno otrčala na Tahiti i ne bih volela nikog više da vidim.

But instead she chooses to work in United Therapeutics.

Umesto toga, ona bira da radi u "United Therapeutics".

She says she wants to do all she can to help other people

Kaže da želi da uradi sve što može kako bi pomogla da ljudi

with orphan diseases get medicines,

koji pate od retkih bolesti dobiju lekove,

and today, she's our project leader for all telepresence activities,

i danas je ona vođa naših projekata za javne aktivnosti,

where she helps digitally unite the entire company to work together

gde pomaže da se cela kompanija digitalno ujedini i sarađuje

to find cures for pulmonary hypertension.

na pronalasku lekova za plućnu hipertenziju.

CA: But not everyone who has this disease has been so fortunate.

KA: Ali nisu svi sa ovom bolešću te sreće.

There are still many people dying, and you are tackling that too. How?

Još uvek mnogi umiru, a vi se i protiv toga borite. Kako?

MR: Exactly, Chris. There's some 3,000 people a year in the United States alone,

MR: Tako je, Kris. Samo u SAD-u oko 3000 ljudi godišnje,

perhaps 10 times that number worldwide,

možda 10 puta toliko na celom svetu,

who continue to die of this illness

i dalje umire od ove bolesti

because the medicines slow down the progression

jer lekovi usporavaju napredak bolesti,

but they don't halt it.

ali je ne zaustavljaju.

The only cure for pulmonary hypertension, pulmonary fibrosis,

Jedini lek za plućnu hipertenziju i plućnu fibrozu,

cystic fibrosis, emphysema,

cističnu fibrozu, emfizem,

COPD, what Leonard Nimoy just died of,

hroničnu opstruktivnu bolest pluća, od koje je umro Lenard Nimoj,

is a lung transplant,

je transplantacija pluća,

but sadly, there are only enough available lungs for 2,000 people

ali na žalost, pluća su dostupna samo za 2000 ljudi

in the U.S. a year to get a lung transplant,

u SAD godišnje,

whereas nearly a half million people a year

dok skoro pola miliona ljudi godišnje

die of end-stage lung failure.

umire od poslednjeg stadijuma plućnih bolesti.

CA: So how can you address that?

KA: Kako možete da utičete na to?

MR: So I conceptualize the possibility

MR: Bavim se mogućnošću da,

that just like we keep cars and planes

baš kao što večno održavamo

and buildings going forever

automobile, avione i zgrade

with an unlimited supply of building parts and machine parts,

uz pomoć neograničene količine rezervnih i mašinskih delova,

why can't we create an unlimited supply of transplantable organs

zašto ne napravimo neograničenu količinu organa za transplantaciju

to keep people living indefinitely,

kako bi ljudi živeli neograničeno,

and especially people with lung disease.

posebno ljudi sa plućnim bolestima.

So we've teamed up with the decoder of the human genome, Craig Venter,

Udružili smo se sa Kregom Venterom, koji je dekodirao ljudski genom,

and the company he founded

i sa kompanijom koju je osnovao

with Peter Diamandis, the founder of the X Prize,

sa Piterom Diamandisom, osnivačem X nagrade,

to genetically modify

da genetski modifikujemo

the pig genome

genom svinje,

so that the pig's organs will not be rejected by the human body

kako ljudsko telo ne bi odbacivalo organe svinje,

and thereby to create an unlimited supply

i da tako napravimo neograničenu zalihu

of transplantable organs.

organa za transplantaciju.

We do this through our company, United Therapeutics.

To radimo kroz našu kompaniju, "United Therapeutics".

CA: So you really believe that within, what, a decade,

KA: Dakle, zaista veruješ da u roku od decenije,

that this shortage of transplantable lungs maybe be cured, through these guys?

ovaj nedostatak organa za transplantaciju može da se reši, pomoću njih?

MR: Absolutely, Chris.

MR: Apsolutno, Kris.

I'm as certain of that as I was of the success that we've had

Sigurna sam u to, koliko sam bila sigurna u uspeh koji smo doživeli

with direct television broadcasting, Sirius XM.

sa direktnim TV prenosom, Sirus XM.

It's actually not rocket science.

To u stvari nije nuklearna fizika.

It's straightforward engineering away one gene after another.

To je jednostavno sekvenciranje jednog po jednog gena.

We're so lucky to be born in the time that sequencing genomes

Veoma smo srećni da smo rođeni u vreme kad je sekvenciranje genoma

is a routine activity,

rutinska radnja,

and the brilliant folks at Synthetic Genomics

a izuzetni ljudi u "Synthetic Genomics"

are able to zero in on the pig genome,

mogu da pronađu određeni gen svinje,

find exactly the genes that are problematic, and fix them.

da nađu problematične gene i poprave ih.

CA: But it's not just bodies that -- though that is amazing.

KA: Ali ne samo tela - mada je to izuzetno.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

It's not just long-lasting bodies that are of interest to you now.

Tebe ne interesuju samo dugotrajna tela.

It's long-lasting minds.

Nego i dugotrajni umovi.

And I think this graph for you says something quite profound.

Mislim da ovaj grafik tebi govori nešto veoma važno.

What does this mean?

Šta ovo znači?

MR: What this graph means, and it comes from Ray Kurzweil,

MR: Ovo dolazi od Reja Kurcvela, i znači

is that the rate of development in computer processing

da razvoj računarske obrade,

hardware, firmware and software,

hardvera, softvera,

has been advancing along a curve

napreduje takvim tempom

such that by the 2020s, as we saw in earlier presentations today,

da će do 2020, kao što smo videli u ranijim govorima,

there will be information technology

postojati informaciona tehnologija

that processes information and the world around us

koja obrađuje informacije i svet oko nas

at the same rate as a human mind.

istom brzinom kao i ljudski um.

CA: And so that being so, you're actually getting ready for this world

KA: S tom činjenicom u vidu, ti se pripremaš za taj svet,

by believing that we will soon be able to, what,

verujući da ćemo uskoro moći - šta,

actually take the contents of our brains and somehow preserve them forever?

da sadržaj naših umova nekako sačuvamo zauvek?

How do you describe that?

Kako to objašnjavaš?

MR: Well, Chris, what we're working on is creating a situation

MR: Pa, Kris, mi radimo na tome da napravimo situaciju

where people can create a mind file,

gde ljudi mogu da naprave datoteku uma,

and a mind file is the collection of their mannerisms, personality,

a to je kolekcija njihovih osobina, njihove ličnosti,

recollection, feelings,

sećanja, osećanja,

beliefs, attitudes and values,

verovanja, stavova i vrednosti,

everything that we've poured today into Google, into Amazon, into Facebook,

svega što smo do sada pretočili u Gugl, Amazon, Fejsbuk,

and all of this information stored there will be able, in the next couple decades,

i sve te informacije koje se tu nalaze, u narednih par decenija,

once software is able to recapitulate consciousness,

kada softver bude mogao da sažme svest,

be able to revive the consciousness which is imminent in our mind file.

moći će da ožive svest koja će uskoro biti u našoj datoteci uma.

CA: Now you're not just messing around with this.

KA: Ti se ne šališ u vezi s ovim.

You're serious. I mean, who is this?

Ozbiljna si. Ko je ovo?

MR: This is a robot version of my beloved spouse, Bina.

MR: To je robotska verzija moje voljene supruge, Bine.

And we call her Bina 48.

Zovemo je Bina 48.

She was programmed by Hanson Robotics out of Texas.

Progamirala ju je firma "Hanson Robotics" iz Teksasa.

There's the centerfold from National Geographic magazine

To je duplerica iz magazina Nacionalna geografija

with one of her caregivers,

sa jednim od njenih čuvara,

and she roams the web

i ona luta internetom

and has hundreds of hours of Bina's mannerisms, personalities.

i ima stotine sati Bininih manerizama, ličnosti.

She's kind of like a two-year-old kid,

Ona je kao dvogodišnje dete,

but she says things that blow people away,

ali govori stvari koje ljude obaraju s nogu,

best expressed by perhaps

a to je možda najbolje prenela

a New York Times Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Amy Harmon

novinarka Njujork Tajmsa, Ejmi Harmon, dobitnica Pulicerove nagrade,

who says her answers are often frustrating,

koja kaže da njeni odgovori često frustriraju,

but other times as compelling as those of any flesh person she's interviewed.

ali često su i zanimljivi kao odgovori neke žive osobe koju je intervjuisala.

CA: And is your thinking here, part of your hope here, is that

KA: Da li razmišljaš i nadaš se

this version of Bina can in a sense live on forever, or some future upgrade

da će ova verzija Bine na neki način živeti zauvek,

ili će neka buduća bolja verzija moći da živi zauvek?

to this version can live on forever?

MR: Yes. Not just Bina, but everybody.

MR: Ne samo Bina, nego svi.

You know, it costs us virtually nothing to store our mind files

Znaš, skoro ništa nas ne košta da pohranimo datoteke svog uma

on Facebook, Instagram, what-have-you.

na Fejsbuk, Instagram, šta god.

Social media is I think one of the most extraordinary inventions of our time,

Mislim da su društveni mediji jedan od najizuzetnijih izuma našeg doba,

and as apps become available that will allow us

i kako nam postaju dostupne aplikacije

to out-Siri Siri, better and better,

koje dozvoljavaju da sve više poboljšamo virtuelne pomoćnike,

and develop consciousness operating systems,

i razvijamo svesne operativne sisteme,

everybody in the world, billions of people,

svi na svetu, milijarde ljudi

will be able to develop mind clones of themselves

će moći da razviju svoje umne klonove

that will have their own life on the web.

koji će na internetu živeti njihov život.

CA: So the thing is, Martine,

KA: Martina, stvar je u tome da,

that in any normal conversation, this would sound stark-staring mad,

u bilo kom normalnom razgovoru ovo zvuči potpuno suludo,

but in the context of your life, what you've done,

ali u kontekstu tvog života, onoga što si uradila,

some of the things we've heard this week,

nekih stvari koje smo čuli ove nedelje,

the constructed realities that our minds give,

realnosti koje konstruišu naši umovi,

I mean, you wouldn't bet against it.

ti se ne bi kladila protiv toga.

MR: Well, I think it's really nothing coming from me.

MR: Mislim da nije značajno kad ja to kažem.

If anything, I'm perhaps a bit of a communicator of activities

Ja samo prenosim aktivnosti

that are being undertaken by the greatest companies

koje sprovode sjajne kompanije

in China, Japan, India, the U.S., Europe.

u Kini, Japanu, SAD, Evropi.

There are tens of millions of people working on writing code

Desetine miliona ljudi programiraju kod

that expresses more and more aspects of our human consciousness,

koji izražava sve više aspekata naše ljudske svesti,

and you don't have to be a genius to see that all these threads

i ne morate biti genije da shvatite

are going to come together and ultimately create human consciousness,

da će se sve ujediniti i na kraju stvoriti ljudsku svest,

and it's something we'll value.

a to će svima biti važno.

There are so many things to do in this life,

U životu ima toliko stvari,

and if we could have a simulacrum, a digital doppelgänger of ourselves

i ako možemo da imamo simulakrum, svog digitalnog dvojnika

that helps us process books, do shopping,

koji nam pomaže u čitanju knjiga, kupovini,

be our best friends,

koji je naš najbolji prijatelj,

I believe our mind clones, these digital versions of ourselves,

mislim da će naši umni klonovi, naše digitalne verzije

will ultimately be our best friends,

na kraju biti naši najbolji prijatelji,

and for me personally and Bina personally,

i za mene i Binu lično,

we love each other like crazy.

mi se volimo do ludila.

Each day, we are always saying, like,

Svaki dan govorimo

"Wow, I love you even more than 30 years ago.

da se volimo još više nego pre 30 godina.

And so for us, the prospect of mind clones

I ideja o klonovima uma

and regenerated bodies

i regenerisanim telima,

is that our love affair, Chris, can go on forever.

za nas, Kris, znači da naša ljubav može večno da traje.

And we never get bored of each other. I'm sure we never will.

Nikad ne dosadimo jedna drugoj, sigurna sam da nikad nećemo.

CA: I think Bina's here, right? MR: She is, yeah.

KA: Verujem da je Bina ovde, zar ne? MR: Jeste.

CA: Would it be too much, I don't know, do we have a handheld mic?

KA: Da li imamo bežični mikrofon?

Bina, could we invite you to the stage? I just have to ask you one question.

Bina, da li bi došla na scenu? Moram da ti postavim jedno pitanje.

Besides, we need to see you.

Osim toga, moramo da te vidimo.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Thank you, thank you.

Hvala, hvala.

Come and join Martine here.

Pridruži se Martini ovde.

I mean, look, when you got married,

Vidi, kad ste se venčale,

if someone had told you that, in a few years time,

da ti je neko rekao da će kroz nekoliko godina

the man you were marrying would become a woman,

čovek za koga si se udala postati žena,

and a few years after that, you would become a robot --

a da ćeš ti nekoliko godina kasnije postati robot -

(Laughter) --

(Smeh) -

how has this gone? How has it been?

kako je to bilo?

Bina Rothblatt: It's been really an exciting journey,

Bina Rotblat: To je zaista uzbudljiva avantura,

and I would have never thought that at the time,

i tada to nikad ne bih pomislila,

but we started making goals and setting those goals

ali počeli smo da postavljamo ciljeve

and accomplishing things,

i da ostvarujemo zamisli,

and before you knew it, we just keep going up and up

i ubrzo smo sve više napredovali

and we're still not stopping, so it's great.

a i dalje ne stajemo, što je sjajno.

CA: Martine told me something really beautiful,

KA: Martina mi je rekla nešto veoma lepo,

just actually on Skype before this,

pre ovoga, preko Skajpa,

which was that he wanted to live for hundreds of years

a to je da je želela da kao umna datoteka

as a mind file,

živi stotinama godina,

but not if it wasn't with you.

ali ne bez tebe.

BR: That's right, we want to do it together.

BR: Tako je, želimo to da uradimo zajedno.

We're cryonicists as well, and we want to wake up together.

Mi smo i pristalice krionike i želimo da se probudimo zajedno.

CA: So just so as you know, from my point of view,

KA: Samo da znate, po mom mišljenju,

this isn't only one of the most astonishing lives I have heard,

ovo nije samo jedna od najneverovatnijih životnih priča koju sam čuo,

it's one of the most astonishing love stories I've ever heard.

ovo je jedna od najneverovatnijih ljubavnih priča koju sam čuo.

It's just a delight to have you both here at TED.

Stvarno je uživanje što ste obe ovde na TEDu.

Thank you so much.

Mnogo vam hvala.

MR: Thank you.

MR: Hvala.

(Aplauz)

(Applause)