How fear of nuclear power is hurting the environment | Michael Shellenberger

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Have you heard the news?

Da li ste čuli vesti?

We're in a clean energy revolution.

Nalazimo se u revoluciji čiste energije?

And where I live in Berkeley, California,

U Berkliju u Kaliforniji, gde živim,

it seems like every day I see a new roof with new solar panels going up,

čini se kao da svakog dana vidim da se pojavljuje

novi krov sa solarnim pločama,

electric car in the driveway.

električni auto na prilazu kući.

Germany sometimes gets half its power from solar,

Nemačka ponekad dobija pola svoje energije od sunca,

and India is now committed to building 10 times more solar

a Indija je trenutno posvećena građenju 10 puta više solarnih postrojenja

than we have in California,

nego ih mi imamo u Kaliforniji,

by the year 2022.

do 2022.

Even nuclear seems to be making a comeback.

Čini se da se čak i nuklearna energija vraća.

Bill Gates is in China working with engineers,

Bil Gejts u Kini radi sa inženjerima,

there's 40 different companies that are working together

40 različitih kompanija koje rade zajedno

to try to race to build the first reactor that runs on waste,

u trci da naprave prvi reaktor kojeg pokreće otpad,

that can't melt down

koji ne može da se istopi,

and is cheaper than coal.

a koji je jeftiniji od uglja.

And so you might start to ask:

Možda ćete pitati:

da li će ceo ovaj problem sa globalnim zagrevanjem

Is this whole global warming problem

going to be a lot easier to solve than anybody imagined?

biti mnogo lakše rešiv nego što su svi mislili?

That was the question we wanted to know,

To smo želeli da saznamo,

so my colleagues and I decided to take a deep dive into the data.

pa smo moje kolege i ja odlučili da zaronimo u podatke.

We were a little skeptical of some parts

Bili smo malo skeptični kod nekih delova

of the clean energy revolution story,

revolucije čiste energije,

but what we found really surprised us.

ali ono što smo otkrili zaista nas je iznenadilo.

The first thing is that clean energy has been increasing.

Prva stvar je da se povećava količina čiste energije.

This is electricity from clean energy sources over the last 20 years.

Ovo je električna energija iz izvora čiste energije tokom proteklih 20 godina.

But when you look at the percentage of global electricity

Ali kada pogledate procente globalne električne energije

from clean energy sources,

iz izvora čiste energije,

it's actually been in decline from 36 percent to 31 percent.

to je zapravo opalo sa 36% na 31%.

And if you care about climate change,

A ukoliko vam je stalo do klimatskih promena,

you've got to go in the opposite direction

morate ići u suprotnom pravcu

to 100 percent of our electricity from clean energy sources,

tako da 100% naše električne energije ide iz čistih izvora energije,

as quickly as possible.

što je brže moguće.

Now, you might wonder,

Sada se možda pitate:

"Come on, how much could five percentage points of global electricity be?"

"Hajde, koliko može da bude pet procenata svetske električne energije?"

Well, it turns out to be quite a bit.

Ispostavlja se da je to mnogo.

It's the equivalent of 60 nuclear plants

To je jednako 60 nuklearnih elektrana

the size of Diablo Canyon, California's last nuclear plant,

veličine Kanjona Diablo, poslednje nuklearne elektrane u Kaliforniji,

or 900 solar farms the size of Topaz,

ili 900 solarnih farmi veličine Topaza,

which is one of the biggest solar farms in the world,

koja je jedna od najvećih solarnih farmi na svetu

and certainly our biggest in California.

i svakako najveća u Kaliforniji.

A big part of this is simply that fossil fuels are increasing

Veliki deo ovoga je prosto činjenica da se fosilna goriva šire

faster than clean energy.

brže od čiste energije.

And that's understandable.

I to je razumljivo.

There's just a lot of poor countries

Prosto je mnogo siromašnih zemalja

that are still using wood and dung and charcoal

koje još uvek koriste drvo i balegu i ugalj

as their main source of energy,

kao glavni izvor energije

i njima su potrebna moderna goriva.

and they need modern fuels.

But there's something else going on,

Ali dešava se još nešto,

which is that one of those clean energy sources in particular

a to je da je jedan od ovih izvora čiste energije naročito

has actually been on the decline in absolute terms,

u opadanju u apsolutnom smislu,

not just relatively.

ne samo relativno.

And that's nuclear.

A to je nuklearna energija.

You can see its generation has declined seven percent

Možete videti da je njeno stvaranje opalo za sedam procenata

over the last 10 years.

tokom proteklih 10 godina.

Now, solar and wind have been making huge strides,

Solarna energija i energija vetra napravile su značajne pomake,

so you hear a lot of talk about how it doesn't really matter,

tako da se čuje dosta o tome kako to zaista nije bitno,

because solar and wind is going to make up the difference.

jer će solarna i energija vetra nadoknaditi razliku.

But the data says something different.

Ali iz podataka se zaključuje nešto drugačije.

When you combine all the electricity from solar and wind,

Kada se kombinuje sva električna energija od solarne energije i energije vetra,

you see it actually barely makes up half of the decline from nuclear.

videćete da ona zapravo nadoknađuje jedva pola opadanja od nuklearne energije.

Let's take a closer look in the United States.

Pogledajmo SAD bliže.

Over the last couple of years -- really 2013, 2014 --

Tokom proteklih nekoliko godina - zapravo 2013, 2014 -

we prematurely retired four nuclear power plants.

ishitreno smo zatvorili četiri nuklearne elektrane.

They were almost entirely replaced with fossil fuels,

Skoro potpuno su zamenjene fosilnim gorivima,

and so the consequence was that we wiped out

a posledica je da smo izbrisali

almost as much clean energy electricity that we get from solar.

skoro jednaku količinu eletkrične energije koju dobijamo iz solarnih izvora.

And it's not unique to us.

To nije jedinstveno za nas.

Ljudi misle za Kaliforniju da vodi u čistoj energiji i klimatskim standardima,

People think of California as a clean energy and climate leader,

but when we looked at the data,

ali kada smo pogledali podatke,

what we found is that, in fact,

zapravo smo otkrili

California reduced emissions more slowly than the national average,

da je Kalifornija smanjivala emisije sporije od nacionalnog proseka,

between 2000 and 2015.

između 2000 i 2015.

What about Germany?

Šta je sa Nemačkom?

They're doing a lot of clean energy.

Oni imaju dosta čiste energije.

But when you look at the data,

Ali kada pogledate podatke,

German emissions have actually been going up since 2009,

emisije Nemačke zapravo rastu od 2009.

and there's really not anybody who's going to tell you

i nema skoro nikoga ko će vam reći

that they're going to meet their climate commitments in 2020.

da će oni ispuniti svoja obećanja, koja se tiču klimatskih promena, do 2020.

The reason isn't hard to understand.

Nije teško razumeti razlog.

Solar and wind provide power about 10 to 20 percent of the time,

Solarna i energija vetra daju pogon oko 10 do 20% vremena,

which means that when the sun's not shining,

što znači da kada ne sija sunce

the wind's not blowing,

i ne duva vetar,

you still need power for your hospitals,

još uvek vam je potrebna energija za bolnice,

your homes, your cities, your factories.

domaćinstva, gradove, fabrike.

And while batteries have made some really cool improvements lately,

I iako su akumulatori napredovali poprilično u poslednje vreme,

the truth is, they're just never going to be as efficient

zapravo nikada neće biti jednako efikasni

as the electrical grid.

kao električna mreža.

Every time you put electricity into a battery and take it out,

Svaki put kada stavite električnu energiju u akumulator i izvučete je,

you lose about 20 to 40 percent of the power.

izgubite oko 20 do 40% snage.

Zato, kada u Kaliforniji

That's why when, in California,

pokušavamo da se nosimo sa svom solarnom energijom koju smo doneli -

we try to deal with all the solar we've brought online --

we now get about 10 percent of electricity from solar --

sada dobijamo oko 10% električne energjie iz solarnih izvora -

when the sun goes down, and people come home from work

kada sunce zađe, i ljudi se vrate kućama s posla

and turn on their air conditioners and their TV sets,

i uključe svoje klime i TV-ove

and every other appliance in the house,

i svaki drugi aparat u kući,

we need a lot of natural gas backup.

potrebno nam je mnogo rezervi u vidu prirodnog gasa.

So what we've been doing

Mi smo zapravo stavljali

is stuffing a lot of natural gas into the side of a mountain.

dosta prirodnog gasa u padine planine.

And that worked pretty well for a while,

To je funkcionisalo dobro jedno vreme,

but then late last year, it sprung a leak.

ali krajem prošle godine, došlo je do curenja.

This is Aliso Canyon.

Ovo je Kanjon Aliso.

So much methane gas was released,

Iscurelo je toliko metana

it was the equivalent of putting half a million cars on the road.

da je to bilo jednako stavljanju pola miliona automobila na puteve.

It basically blew through all of our climate commitments for the year.

Prešli smo sva ograničenja koja se tiču klimatskih promena za godinu.

Well, what about India?

Šta je sa Indijom?

Sometimes you have to go places to really get the right data,

Ponekad zaista morate da putujete da biste dobili prave podatke,

so we traveled to India a few months ago.

tako da smo otputovali u Indiju pre par meseci.

We met with all the top officials -- solar, nuclear, the rest --

Upoznali smo sve bitne zvaničnike - za solarnu, nuklearnu i druge energije -

and what they told us is,

i rekli su nam:

"We're actually having more serious problems

"Zapravo imamo ozbiljnije probleme

than both Germany and California.

od Nemačke i Kalifornije.

We don't have backup; we don't have all the natural gas.

Nemamo rezerve; nemamo sav taj prirodni gas.

And that's just the start of it.

A to je samo početak.

Say we want to get to 100 gigawatts by 2022.

Recimo da želimo da dođemo do 100 gigavata do 2022.

But last year we did just five,

Ali prošle godine smo imali samo pet

and the year before that, we did five."

a godine pre toga, imali smo pet."

So, let's just take a closer look at nuclear.

Hajde da bliže pogledamo nuklearnu energiju.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Međuvladin panel za klimatske promene Ujedinjenih nacija

has looked at the carbon content of all these different fuels,

pregledao je sadržaj ugljenika svih ovih različitih goriva

and nuclear comes out really low -- it's actually lower even than solar.

i nuklearna energija ima jako niske vrednosti - niže od solarne.

And nuclear obviously provides a lot of power --

Jasno je da nuklearna energija daje mnogo pogonske energije -

24 hours a day, seven days a week.

24 časa dnevno, sedam dana nedeljno.

During a year, a single plant can provide power 92 percent of the time.

Tokom jedne godine, jedna elektrana može davati energiju 92% vremena.

What's interesting is that when you look at countries

Zanimljivo je to da kada pogledate zemlje

that have deployed different kinds of clean energies,

koje su koristile razne vrste čistih energija,

there's only a few that have done so

postoji samo nekoliko njih koje su to radile

at a pace consistent with dealing with the climate crisis.

tempom koji je bio jednak nošenju sa krizom klimatskih promena.

So nuclear seems like a pretty good option,

Nuklearna energija se čini prilično dobrim rešenjem,

but there's this big problem with it,

ali postoji velik problem

which all of you, I'm sure, are aware of,

a siguran sam da ste ga svi svesni,

which is that people really don't like it.

a to je da je ljudi zaista ne vole.

There was a study, a survey done of people around the world,

Rađeno je istraživanje sa ljudima širom sveta,

not just in the United States or Europe,

ne samo u SAD ili Evropi,

about a year and a half ago.

preko oko godinu i po dana.

And what they found

Otkrili su to

is that nuclear is actually one of the least popular forms of energy.

da je nuklearna energija zapravo jedan od najnepopularnijih oblika energije.

Even oil is more popular than nuclear.

Čak je i nafta popularnija od nuklearne energije.

And while nuclear kind of edges out coal, the thing is,

Iako je nuklearna pomalo bolja od uglja, stvar je u tome

people don't really fear coal in the same way they fear nuclear,

da se ljudi zaista ne boje uglja na isti način

na koji se boje nuklearne energije, što je zaista podsvesna stvar.

which really operates on our unconscious.

So what is it that we fear?

Čega se onda bojimo?

There's really three things.

Postoje tri stvari.

There's the safety of the plants themselves --

Bezbednost samih elektrana -

the fears that they're going to melt down and cause damage;

strah da će se istopiti i napraviti štetu;

there's the waste from them;

otpad iz elektrana;

and there's the association with weapons.

i asocijacija na oružje.

And I think, understandably,

Mislim da je razumljivo

engineers look at those concerns and look for technological fixes.

da inženjeri gledaju na te probleme i traže tehnološka rešenja.

That's why Bill Gates is in China developing advanced reactors.

Zbog toga Bil Gejts u Kini razvija napredne reaktore.

That's why 40 different entrepreneurs are working on this problem.

Zato 40 različitih preduzetnika radi na ovom problemu.

And I, myself, have been very excited about it.

I ja sam lično veoma uzbuđen zbog ovoga.

We did a report: "How to Make Nuclear Cheap."

Uradili smo izveštaj "Kako napraviti nuklearnu energiju jeftinom".

In particular, the thorium reactor shows a lot of promise.

Torijumski reaktor je naročito obećavajuće rešenje.

So when the climate scientist, James Hansen,

Kada me je naučnik za klimatske promene, Džejms Hansen,

asked if I wanted to go to China with him

upitao da li želim da idem u Kinu

and look at the Chinese advanced nuclear program,

i pogledam kineski program za nuklearnu energiju,

I jumped at the chance.

jedva sam dočekao priliku.

We were there with MIT and UC Berkeley engineers.

Tamo smo bili sa inženjerima sa MIT-a i Univerziteta u Berkliju.

And I had in my mind

U sebi sam mislio

that the Chinese would be able to do with nuclear

da će Kinezi sa nuklearnom energijom moći da urade

what they did with so many other things --

ono što su uradili sa mnogo toga drugog -

start to crank out small nuclear reactors on assembly lines,

početi da izbacuju male nuklerarne reaktore

na proizvodnim trakama,

ship them up like iPhones or MacBooks and send them around the world.

pakovati ih kao ajfone ili mekbukove i slati ih širom sveta.

I would get one at home in Berkeley.

Uzeo bih jedan sebi u Berkliju.

But what I found was somewhat different.

Ali otkrio sam nešto drugačije.

The presentations were all very exciting and very promising;

Prezentacije su sve bile uzbudljive i veoma obećavajuće;

they have multiple reactors that they're working on.

trenutno rade na više reaktora.

The time came for the thorium reactor, and a bunch of us were excited.

Došlo je vreme za torijumski reaktor i dosta nas se uzbudilo.

They went through the whole presentation, they got to the timeline,

Prošli su kroz celu prezentaciju, došli su do vremenske linije

and they said,

i rekli su:

"We're going to have a thorium molten salt reactor

"Imaćemo torijumski reaktor na topljenu so

ready for sale to the world

spreman za prodaju šriom sveta

by 2040."

do 2040."

And I was like, "What?"

A ja sam rekao: "Šta?"

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

I looked at my colleagues and I was like,

Pogledao sam kolege i rekao:

"Excuse me --

"Oprostite -

can you guys speed that up a little bit?

možete li vi momci da to malo ubrzate?

Because we're in a little bit of a climate crisis right now.

Pošto smo pomalo u klimatskoj krizi trenutno.

And your cities are really polluted, by the way."

I da, vaši gradovi su zaista zagađeni."

And they responded back, they were like,

Odgovorili su sa:

"I'm not sure what you've heard about our thorium program,

"Nisam siguran šta ste čuli o našem torijumskom programu,

but we don't have a third of our budget,

ali nemamo trećinu budžeta

and your department of energy hasn't been particularly forthcoming

i vaše ministarstvo energetike nije bilo baš predusretljivo

with all that data you guys have on testing reactors."

sa svim podacima koje imate u vezi sa testiranjem reaktora."

And I said, "Well, I've got an idea.

Onda sam rekao: "Pa, imam ideju.

You know how you've got 10 years where you're demonstrating that reactor?

Znate kako imate 10 godina za demonstraciju tog reaktora?

Let's just skip that part,

Hajde da preskočimo to

and let's just go right to commercializing it.

i da odmah krenemo na komercijalizaciju.

That will save money and time."

To će uštedeti novac i vreme."

And the engineer just looked at me and said,

Inženjer me je samo pogledao i rekao:

"Let me ask you a question:

"Da vas pitam nešto:

Would you buy a car that had never been demonstrated before?"

Da li biste kupili automobil koji nikad pre toga nije bio isproban?"

So what about the other reactors?

Šta onda sa drugim reaktorima?

There's a reactor that's coming online now, they're starting to sell it.

Imaju reaktor koji je sada na internetu, počinju da ga prodaju.

It's a high-temperature gas reactor.

To je reaktor na gas koji radi na visokim temperaturama.

It can't melt down.

Ne može da se istopi.

But it's really big and bulky, that's part of the safety,

Ali je veoma velik i nezgrapan, to je deo bezbednosti

and nobody thinks it's going to ever get cheaper

i niko ne misli da će ikad biti jeftiniji

than the reactors that we have.

od reaktora koje imamo.

The ones that use waste as fuel are really cool ideas, but the truth is,

Oni koji koriste otpad kao gorivo su zaista super kao ideje, ali je istina

we don't actually know how to do that yet.

da još uvek zapravo ne znamo kako da to izvedemo.

There's some risk that you'll actually make more waste,

Postoji rizik da ćete zapravo napraviti više otpada

and most people think that if you're including

i većina ljudi misli da ako uključite

that waste part of the process,

taj deo procesa sa otpadom,

it's just going to make the whole machine a lot more expensive,

da će sve to napraviti celu mašinu mnogo skupljom,

it's just adding another complicated step.

da se samo dodaje još jedan komplikovan korak.

The truth is,

Istina je da postoje

there's real questions about how much of that we're going to do.

prava pitanja o tome koliko toga ćemo zapravo uraditi.

I mean, we went to India and asked about the nuclear program.

Otišli smo u Indiju i pitali za nuklearni program.

The government said before the Paris climate talks

Pre Pariskog klimatskog dovora, iz vlade su rekli

that they were going to do something like 30 new nuclear plants.

da će uraditi nešto poput 30 novih nuklearnih elektrana.

But when we got there and interviewed people

Ali kada smo došli tamo i ispitali ljude

and even looked at the internal documents,

i čak pogledali unutrašnje dokumente,

they're now saying they're going to do about five.

oni sada kažu da će ih napraviti oko pet.

And in most of the world, especially the rich world,

U većini sveta, naročito bogatog sveta,

they're not talking about building new reactors.

ne pričaju o građenju novih reaktora.

We're actually talking about taking reactors down

Mi zapravo pričamo o rušenju reaktora

before their lifetimes are over.

pre nego im istekne radni vek.

Germany's actually pressuring its neighbors to do that.

Nemačka zapravo vrši pritisak na svoje susede da urade to.

I mentioned the United States --

Spomenuo sam SAD - mogli bismo da izgubimo

we could lose half of our reactors over the next 15 years,

polovinu svojih reaktora tokom narednih 15 godina,

which would wipe out 40 percent of the emissions reductions

što bi zbrisalo oko 40% smanjenja emisija

we're supposed to get under the Clean Power Plan.

koje treba da dobijemo u okviru Plana za čistu energiju.

Of course, in Japan, they took all their nuclear plants offline,

U Japanu su, naravno, onesposobili sve svoje nuklearne elektrane,

replaced them with coal, natural gas, oil burning,

zamenili su ih ugljem, prirodnim gasom, sagorevanjem nafte

and they're only expected to bring online about a third to two-thirds.

i očekuje se da će aktivirati samo trećinu do dve trećine.

So when we went through the numbers,

Kada smo prošli kroz brojeve

and just added that up --

i dodali sve to -

how much nuclear do we see China and India bringing online

koliko vidimo da će nuklearne energije Kina i Indija aktivirati

over the next 15 years,

tokom narednih 15 godina,

how much do we see at risk of being taken offline --

koliko rizikujemo da se ugasi -

this was the most startling finding.

ovo je bilo najstrašnjije otkriće.

What we found is that the world is actually at risk

Otkrili smo da je svet zapravo pod rizikom da izgubi

of losing four times more clean energy than we lost over the last 10 years.

četiri puta više čiste energije nego što smo izgubili tokom proteklih 10 godina.

In other words: we're not in a clean energy revolution;

Drugim rečima, nismo u revoluciji čiste energije,

we're in a clean energy crisis.

nego u krizi čiste energije.

So it's understandable that engineers would look for a technical fix

Razumljivo je onda da će inženjeri tražiti tehničko rešenje

za strah koji ljudi imaju od nuklearne energije.

to the fears that people have of nuclear.

But when you consider that these are big challenges to do,

Ali kada uzmete u obzir da su ovo veliki izazovi,

that they're going to take a long time to solve,

da će biti potrebno dosta vremena da se oni reše,

there's this other issue, which is:

a postoji i drugi problem:

Are those technical fixes really going to solve people's fears?

da li će ta tehnička rešenja zaista rešiti strah kod ljudi?

Let's take safety.

Uzmimo u obzir bezbednost.

You know, despite what people think,

Znate, uprkos tome šta ljudi misle,

it's hard to figure out how to make nuclear power much safer.

teško je otkriti kako napraviti nuklearnu energiju mnogo bezbednijom.

I mean, every medical journal that looks at it --

Svaki medicinski časopis koji se toga dotakne -

this is the most recent study from the British journal, "Lancet,"

ovo je najskorije istraživanje britanskog časopisa "Lanset",

one of the most respected journals in the world --

jednog od najuvaženijih časopisa na svetu -

nuklearna energija je najbezbedniji način da se proizvodi pouzdana energija.

nuclear is the safest way to make reliable power.

Everybody's scared of the accidents.

Svako se boji nesrećnih slučajeva.

So you go look at the accident data --

Pogledajte podatke o nesrećama -

Fukushima, Chernobyl --

Fukušima, Černobil -

the World Health Organization finds the same thing:

Svetska zdravstvena organizacija dolazi do istog zaključka -

the vast majority of harm is caused by people panicking,

najveći deo štete nastaje zbog toga što ljudi paniče,

and they're panicking because they're afraid.

a paniče jer se plaše.

In other words,

Drugim rečima,

the harm that's caused isn't actually caused by the machines

šteta koja nastaje zapravo ne nastaje zbog mašina

or the radiation.

ili radijacije.

It's caused by our fears.

Ona nastaje zbog naših strahova.

And what about the waste?

A šta je sa otpadom?

Everyone worries about the waste.

Svi brinu zbog otpada.

Well, the interesting thing about the waste

Kod otpada je zanimljivo to

is how little of it there is.

koliko malo ga ima.

This is just from one plant.

Ovo je samo iz jedne elektrane.

If you take all the nuclear waste we've ever made in the United States,

Ukoliko uzmete sav nuklearni otpad koji smo ikad proizveli u SAD-u

i stavite ga na teren za američki fudbal, složite ga,

put it on a football field, stacked it up,

it would only reach 20 feet high.

dostigao bi samo 6 metara visine.

And people say it's poisoning people or doing something --

A ljudi kažu da on truje ljude ili radi nešto -

it's not, it's just sitting there, it's just being monitored.

to se ne dešava, on samo stoji tu i neko ga posmatra.

There's not very much of it.

Nema ga mnogo.

By contrast, the waste that we don't control from energy production --

Nasuprot tome, otpad koji ne kontrolišemo iz proizvodnje energije -

we call it "pollution," and it kills seven million people a year,

nazivamo ga "zagađenjem" i on ubija sedam miliona ljudi godišnje

and it's threatening very serious levels of global warming.

i on predstavlja ozbiljnu pretnju za globalno zagrevanje.

And the truth is that even if we get good at using that waste as fuel,

Istina je da čak i kada bismo postali dobri u korišćenju otpada kao goriva,

there's always going to be some fuel left over.

uvek će ostati nešto goriva.

That means there's always going to be people that think it's a big problem

To znači da će uvek biti ljudi koji će misliti da je to velik problem

for reasons that maybe don't have as much to do with the actual waste

iz razloga koji se možda ne tiču toliko samog otpada

as we think.

koliko mislimo.

Well, what about the weapons?

A šta je sa oružjem?

Maybe the most surprising thing is that we can't find any examples

Možda najviše iznenađuje to što ne možemo naći nikakve primere

of countries that have nuclear power

zemalja koje imaju nuklearnu energiju

and then, "Oh!" decide to go get a weapon.

i onda odjednom odluče da nabave oružje.

In fact, it works the opposite.

Zapravo funkcioniše potpuno obrnuto.

What we find is the only way we know

Otkrili smo da je jedini način koji znamo

how to get rid large numbers of nuclear weapons

da se rešimo velike količine nuklearnog oružja

is by using the plutonium in the warheads

taj da koristimo plutonijum iz bojevih glava

as fuel in our nuclear power plants.

kao gorivo u našim nuklearnim elektranama.

And so, if you are wanting to get the world rid of nuclear weapons,

I tako, ako želite da se rešite nuklearnog oružja u svetu,

then we're going to need a lot more nuclear power.

onda će nam biti potrebno mnogo više nuklearne energije.

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(Aplauz)

As I was leaving China,

Dok sam napuštao Kinu,

the engineer that brought Bill Gates there kind of pulled me aside,

inženjer koji je tamo doveo Bila Gejtsa povukao me je na stranu

and he said, "You know, Michael, I appreciate your interest

i rekao: "Znaš, Majkl, cenim tvoje interesovanje

in all the different nuclear supply technologies,

za različite tehnologije dopremanja nuklearne energije,

but there's this more basic issue,

ali postoji osnovniji problem,

which is that there's just not enough global demand.

a to je da prosto ne postoji dovoljno globalne potražnje.

I mean, we can crank out these machines on assembly lines,

Možemo da napravimo ove mašine na proizvodnim trakama,

we do know how to make things cheap,

znamo kako da stvari pravimo jeftino,

but there's just not enough people that want them."

ali prosto ne postoji dovoljno ljudi koji ih žele."

And so, let's do solar and wind and efficiency and conservation.

Hajde onda da se bavimo solarnom i energijom vetra i očuvanjem.

Let's accelerate the advanced nuclear programs.

Ubrzajmo napredne nuklearne programe.

I think we should triple the amount of money we're spending on it.

Mislim da treba da utrostručimo količinu novca koji na to trošimo.

But I just think the most important thing,

Ali mislim da je najbitnija stvar,

if we're going to overcome the climate crisis,

ukoliko želimo da prevaziđemo klimatsku krizu,

is to keep in mind that the cause of the clean energy crisis

je da imamo na umu da izvor krize čiste energije

isn't from within our machines,

ne potiče od mašina,

it's from within ourselves.

već od nas samih.

Thank you very much.

Mnogo vam hvala.

(Applause)

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