Finding life we can't imagine | Christoph Adami

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Prevodilac: Aleksandar Petrović Lektor: Marija Stepanovic
00:15
So, I have a strange career.
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Ja se bavim čudnim poslom.
00:17
I know it because people come up to me, like colleagues, and say,
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Znam to zato što mi ljudi, kolege na primer, prilaze
00:20
"Chris, you have a strange career."
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i kažu: "Krise, baviš se čudnim poslom."
00:22
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:24
And I can see their point,
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Razumem šta hoće da kažu,
00:25
because I started my career as a theoretical nuclear physicist.
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jer sam počeo karijeru
kao teoretičar nuklearne fizike.
00:30
And I was thinking about quarks and gluons and heavy ion collisions,
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Razmišljao sam o kvarkovima i gluonima
i sudarima teških jona,
00:34
and I was only 14 years old --
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a imao sam samo 14 godina.
00:36
No, no, I wasn't 14 years old.
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Ne, nisam imao 14 godina.
00:40
But after that,
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Ali posle toga
00:43
I actually had my own lab
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sam zapravo imao svoju laboratoriju
00:45
in the Computational Neuroscience department,
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na departmanu za računarske neuronauke
00:47
and I wasn't doing any neuroscience.
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a uopšte se nisam bavio neuronaukama.
00:48
Later, I would work on evolutionary genetics,
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Kasnije sam se bavio evolucionom genetikom,
00:51
and I would work on systems biology.
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a potom biologijom sistema.
00:53
But I'm going to tell you about something else today.
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Ali danas ću vam govoriti o nečemu drugom.
00:56
I'm going to tell you about how I learned something about life.
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Govoriću vam
o tome kako sam naučio nešto o životu.
01:00
And I was actually a rocket scientist.
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A bio sam raketni naučnik.
01:04
I wasn't really a rocket scientist,
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Nisam baš bio raketni naučnik,
01:06
but I was working at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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ali sam radio
u Laboratoriji za razvijanje mlaznog pogona
01:11
in sunny California, where it's warm;
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u sunčanoj Kaliforniji, gde je toplo;
01:13
whereas now I am in the mid-West, and it's cold.
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dok sada radim na srednjem Zapadu,
i hladno mi je.
01:17
But it was an exciting experience.
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Ali bilo je to jedno uzbudljivo iskustvo.
01:20
One day, a NASA manager comes into my office,
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Jednog dana službenik NASA-e je ušao u moju kancelariju,
01:23
sits down and says,
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seo i rekao:
01:26
"Can you please tell us, how do we look for life outside Earth?"
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"Možete li, molim vas, da nam kažete
kako da tražimo život van Zemlje?"
01:31
And that came as a surprise to me,
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To me je iznenadilo
01:33
because I was actually hired to work on quantum computation.
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jer sam bio zaposlen tamo
kako bih radio na kvantnom računarstvu.
01:37
Yet, I had a very good answer.
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Ipak, imao sam veoma dobar odgovor na njegovo pitanje.
01:38
I said, "I have no idea."
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01:40
(Laughter)
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Rekao sam: "Nemam pojma."
01:41
And he told me, "Biosignatures, we need to look for a biosignature."
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On mi je rekao: "Znakovi života,
treba da tragamo za znakovima života."
01:47
And I said, "What is that?"
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Ja sam pitao: "Šta je to?"
01:48
And he said, "It's any measurable phenomenon
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A on je rekao: "To su merljive pojave
01:51
that allows us to indicate the presence of life."
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koje nam ukazuju na prisustvo života."
01:54
And I said, "Really?
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Zapitao sam: "Stvarno?
01:56
Because isn't that easy?
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Jer, znate, nije li to lako?
01:58
I mean, we have life.
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Mislim, mi imamo život.
02:00
Can't you apply a definition,
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Zar ne možete da primenite definiciju,
02:02
for example, a Supreme Court-like definition of life?"
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definiciju kakvu bi dao Vrhovni Sud, na primer?"
02:07
And then I thought about it a little bit, and I said,
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Razmišljao sam malo o tome i rekao:
02:09
"Well, is it really that easy?
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"Da li je zaista toliko lako?
02:11
Because, yes, if you see something like this,
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Jer, da, kada vidite ovako nešto,
02:13
then all right, fine, I'm going to call it life --
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onda je u redu, to jeste život,
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no doubt about it.
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nema sumnje u to.
02:17
But here's something."
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Ali evo nečega."
02:19
And he goes, "Right, that's life too. I know that."
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On će na to: "Da, u redu, i to je život, znam to."
02:22
Except, if you think that life is also defined by things that die,
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Ali, ako mislite da se život definiše
kao nešto što na kraju umire
02:26
you're not in luck with this thing,
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onda s ovim nećete imati sreće,
02:28
because that's actually a very strange organism.
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jer je ovo jedan vrlo čudan organizam.
02:30
It grows up into the adult stage like that
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On postaje odrasla jedinka,
02:33
and then goes through a Benjamin Button phase,
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a onda prolazi kroz fazu "Bendžamin Baton"
02:35
and actually goes backwards and backwards until it's like a little embryo again,
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zapravo, vraća se unazad
dok ponovo ne postane mali embrion,
02:40
and then actually grows back up, and back down and back up --
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a onda poraste ponovo, pa se vrati unazad, pa ponovo raste - kao jo-jo,
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sort of yo-yo -- and it never dies.
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i nikad ne umire.
02:44
So it's actually life,
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Tako da, to jeste život,
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but it's actually not as we thought life would be.
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ali nije baš
onakav kakvim ga zamišljamo.
02:51
And then you see something like that.
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A onda vidite nešto kao što je ovo.
02:53
And he was like, "My God, what kind of a life form is that?"
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On je upitao: "Bože, kakav je pa ovo oblik života?"
02:56
Anyone know?
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Zna li neko?
02:58
It's actually not life, it's a crystal.
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Ovo zapravo nije živo, to je kristal.
03:01
So once you start looking and looking at smaller and smaller things --
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Dakle, jednom kada počnete da gledate i gledate
u sve manje i manje stvari...
03:04
so this particular person wrote a whole article and said,
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Tako je ova osoba
napisala čitav članak, rekavši: "Hej, ovo su bakterije."
03:08
"Hey, these are bacteria."
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03:09
Except, if you look a little bit closer,
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Ali, kada pogledate malo bolje,
03:11
you see, in fact, that this thing is way too small to be anything like that.
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videćete, u stvari, da je ovo suviše malo da bi bilo tako nešto.
Dakle, on je bio uveren,
03:15
So he was convinced, but, in fact, most people aren't.
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ali, zapravo, većina ljudi nije bila.
03:19
And then, of course, NASA also had a big announcement,
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A onda, naravno
NASA je objavila,
03:22
and President Clinton gave a press conference,
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i predsednik Klinton je imao konferenciju za štampu
03:25
about this amazing discovery of life in a Martian meteorite.
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vezanu za ovo neverovatno otkriće
života na marsovskom meteoritu.
03:30
Except that nowadays, it's heavily disputed.
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Ipak, danas, ovo otkriće je predmet rasprave.
03:34
If you take the lesson of all these pictures,
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Ako izvučete pouku iz svih ovih slika,
03:36
then you realize, well, actually, maybe it's not that easy.
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shvatićete da ovo zapravo možda i nije tako lako.
03:39
Maybe I do need a definition of life
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Možda nam i treba
neka definicija života
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in order to make that kind of distinction.
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kako bismo napravili razliku.
03:45
So can life be defined?
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Pa može li život da se definiše?
03:47
Well how would you go about it?
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Kako biste vi to uradili?
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Well of course, you'd go to Encyclopedia Britannica and open at L.
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Naravno,
uzeli biste Enciklopediju Britaniku i otvorili na slovo L.
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No, of course you don't do that; you put it somewhere in Google.
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Ne, naravno, ne biste uradili to, već biste izguglali.
03:56
And then you might get something.
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Tada biste možda dobili nešto.
03:57
(Laughter)
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03:58
And what you might get --
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A ako od toga što dobijete,
04:00
and anything that actually refers to things that we are used to,
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sve što govori o stvarima na koje smo navikli
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you throw away.
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odbacite,
04:05
And then you might come up with something like this.
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dobićete nešto ovako.
04:07
And it says something complicated with lots and lots of concepts.
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Ovo vam govori nešto komplikovano
i sadrži puno različitih koncepata.
04:11
Who on Earth would write something as convoluted and complex and inane?
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Ko bi na ovom svetu napisao nešto
ovako nategnuto i kompleksno
i blesavo?
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Oh, it's actually a really, really, important set of concepts.
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No, to je zapravo veoma, veoma važan skup koncepata.
04:22
So I'm highlighting just a few words
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Istaći ću samo nekoliko reči,
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and saying definitions like that rely on things
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a davanje takvih definicija
oslanja se na stvari koje nisu zasnovane
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that are not based on amino acids or leaves or anything that we are used to,
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na aminokiselinama ili listovima
ili na bilo šta na šta smo navikli,
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but in fact on processes only.
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nego isključivo na procese.
04:36
And if you take a look at that,
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Ako bacite pogled na to
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this was actually in a book that I wrote that deals with artificial life.
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videćete da je to iz moje knjige koja se bavi veštačkim životom.
04:41
And that explains why that NASA manager was actually in my office to begin with.
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To objašnjava šta je taj službenik NASA-e uopšte radio u mojoj kancelariji.
04:45
Because the idea was that, with concepts like that,
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Zamisao je bila da sa takvim konceptima
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maybe we can actually manufacture a form of life.
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možda i možemo da napravimo
oblik života.
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And so if you go and ask yourself, "What on Earth is artificial life?",
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A ako se pitate:
"Šta je, zaboga, veštački život?
04:57
let me give you a whirlwind tour of how all this stuff came about.
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pustite me da vam na brzinu pokažem
kako je do svega ovoga došlo.
05:01
And it started out quite a while ago,
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Počelo je prilično davno
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when someone wrote one of the first successful computer viruses.
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kada je neko napisao
jedan od prvih uspešnih komjuterskih virusa.
05:09
And for those of you who aren't old enough,
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Za one koji nisu dovoljno stari,
05:11
you have no idea how this infection was working --
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nemate pojma kako je ova infekcija funkcionisala,
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namely, through these floppy disks.
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naime, preko disketa.
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But the interesting thing about these computer virus infections
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Ono što je zanimljivo kod ovih kompjuterskih virusnih infekcija
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was that, if you look at the rate at which the infection worked,
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je to da, ako pogledate nivoe aktivnosti ovih infekcija,
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they show this spiky behavior that you're used to from a flu virus.
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dobićete ovaj talasasti prikaz
kakav smo navikli da vidimo kod virusa gripa.
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And it is in fact due to this arms race
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Ovo je rezultat "nadmetanja u naoružanju"
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between hackers and operating system designers
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između hakera i dizajnera operativnih sistema,
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that things go back and forth.
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zato sve ide ovako napred-nazad.
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And the result is kind of a tree of life of these viruses,
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Rezultat je neka vrsta porodičnog stabla
ovih virusa
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a phylogeny that looks very much like the type of life
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prikaz razvoja koji prilično podseća na prikaze
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that we're used to, at least on the viral level.
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razvoja živog sveta na koje smo navikli, barem na nivou virusa.
05:45
So is that life?
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Je li to, dakle, život? Ne, ako mene pitate.
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Not as far as I'm concerned.
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Why? Because these things don't evolve by themselves.
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Zašto? Zato što ove stvari ne evoluiraju same od sebe.
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In fact, they have hackers writing them.
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Postoje hakeri koji ih pišu.
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But the idea was taken very quickly a little bit further,
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Ipak, ideja je vrlo brzo uznapredovala
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when a scientist working at the Santa Fe Institute decided,
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kada je jedan naučnik koji je radio u Naučnom institutu rekao:
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"Why don't we try to package these little viruses
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"Zašto ne probamo da spakujemo ove male viruse
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in artificial worlds inside of the computer
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u veštačke svetove unutar kompjutera
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and let them evolve?"
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i pustimo ih da evoluiraju?"
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And this was Steen Rasmussen.
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Taj čovek je bio Stin Rasmusen.
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And he designed this system, but it really didn't work,
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On je dizajnirao ovaj sistem, ali on zapravo nije radio,
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because his viruses were constantly destroying each other.
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jer su njegovi virusi stalno uništavali jedni druge.
06:14
But there was another scientist who had been watching this, an ecologist.
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Sve ovo je posmatrao drugi naučnik, ekolog.
Otišavši kući jednog dana, rekao je: "Znam kako da rešim ovo."
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And he went home and says, "I know how to fix this."
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06:20
And he wrote the Tierra system,
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Rezultat je bio "Tierra" sistem,
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and, in my book,
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i u svojoj knjizi sam rekao da je to jedan od prvih
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is in fact one of the first truly artificial living systems --
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zaista veštačkih "živih" sistema -
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except for the fact that these programs didn't really grow in complexity.
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samo što ti programi nisu zaista postajali složeniji.
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So having seen this work, worked a little bit on this,
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Videvši ovaj rad i poradivši malo na tome,
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this is where I came in.
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uključio sam se u celu stvar.
06:35
And I decided to create a system that has all the properties
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Rešio sam da napravim sistem
koji sadrži sve potrebne osobine
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that are necessary to see, in fact, the evolution of complexity,
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koje dovode do evolucije složenosti,
06:43
more and more complex problems constantly evolving.
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sve složenije i složenije probleme koji konstantno evoluiraju.
06:46
And of course, since I really don't know how to write code, I had help in this.
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Naravno, pošto ja zaista ne umem da sastavim kod, imao sam pomoć.
Imao sam dvojicu studenata
06:50
I had two undergraduate students
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at California Institute of Technology that worked with me.
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sa Kalifornijskog Instituta za Tehnologiju koji su radili za mene.
06:54
That's Charles Ofria on the left, Titus Brown on the right.
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Sa leve strane je Čarls Ofria, sa desne Tajtus Braun.
06:57
They are now, actually, respectable professors
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Oni su danas ugledni profesori
06:59
at Michigan State University,
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na Državnom univerzitetu u Mičigenu,
07:01
but I can assure you, back in the day, we were not a respectable team.
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ali, uverevam vas, u to vreme,
mi nismo bili ugledan tim.
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And I'm really happy that no photo survives
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Drago mi je što nijedna fotografija
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of the three of us anywhere close together.
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nas trojice zajedno nije sačuvana.
07:11
But what is this system like?
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Ali kakav je ovaj sistem?
07:13
Well I can't really go into the details,
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Ne mogu baš da detaljišem,
07:15
but what you see here is some of the entrails.
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ali ovde možete da vidite neke od elemenata.
07:18
But what I wanted to focus on is this type of population structure.
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Ono na šta sam hteo da se fokusiram
je šema strukture populacije.
07:22
There's about 10,000 programs sitting here.
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Ovde se nalazi oko 10.000 programa.
07:24
And all different strains are colored in different colors.
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Različite vrste su obojene različitim bojama.
07:27
And as you see here, there are groups that are growing on top of each other,
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Kao što vidite, grupe njih rastu jedna preko druge,
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because they are spreading.
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šire se.
07:32
Any time there is a program that's better at surviving in this world,
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Kad god se pojavi program
koji bolje preživljava u ovom svetu,
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due to whatever mutation it has acquired,
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koja god mutacija da se pojavila kod njega,
07:38
it is going to spread over the others and drive the others to extinction.
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raširiće se preko ostalih i dovesti ih do istrebljenja.
Pokazaću vam film u kome se vidi ta vrsta dinamike.
07:42
So I'm going to show you a movie
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where you're going to see that kind of dynamic.
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Ovakvi eksperimenti su počeli
07:46
And these kinds of experiments are started with programs that we wrote ourselves.
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sa programima koje smo mi sami napisali.
07:50
We write our own stuff, replicate it, and are very proud of ourselves.
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Pisali smo sopstvene programe, umnožavali ih,
i veoma smo ponosni na sebe.
07:53
And we put them in, and what you see immediately
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Stavili smo ih unutra i, kao što se odmah vidi,
07:56
is that there are waves and waves of innovation.
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javljaju se talasi i talasi inovacije.
07:59
By the way, this is highly accelerated,
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Usput, ovo je vrlo ubrzano,
08:01
so it's like a 1000 generations a second.
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nekih hiljadu generacija u sekundi.
08:03
But immediately, the system goes like, "What kind of dumb piece of code was this?
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Ali vrlo brzo, sistem kaže:
"Kakva je sad ovo glupost od koda?
08:07
This can be improved upon in so many ways, so quickly."
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Ovo se može unaprediti na toliko načina
i to veoma brzo."
08:11
So you see waves of new types taking over the other types.
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Tako da vidite talase novih tipova
kako preovladavaju nad drugim tipovima.
08:15
And this type of activity goes on for quite a while,
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Ovakva aktivnost traje prilično dugo,
08:17
until the main easy things have been acquired by these programs.
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sve dok svi programi ne razviju one glavne lake funkcije.
08:22
And then, you see sort of like a stasis coming on
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Onda vidite nešto kao stagnaciju
08:26
where the system essentially waits
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u toku koje sistem čeka
08:28
for a new type of innovation, like this one,
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neku novu inovaciju, kao što je ova,
08:31
which is going to spread over all the other innovations that were before
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koja će se proširiti
i nadvladati druge inovacije koje su tu bile ranije,
08:35
and is erasing the genes that it had before,
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obrisati gene koji su bili tu ranije
08:38
until a new type of higher level of complexity has been achieved.
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sve dok se novi, složeniji, tip ne pojavi.
08:42
And this process goes on and on and on.
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Ovaj proces traje i traje i traje.
08:45
So what we see here
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Dakle, ono što vidimo ovde
08:47
is a system that lives in very much the way we're used to how life goes.
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jeste sistem koji funkcioniše
na prilično sličan način na koji smo navikli da život funkcioniše.
08:51
But what the NASA people had asked me really was,
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Ipak, ono što su me ljudi iz NASA-e zapravo pitali
08:56
"Do these guys have a biosignature?
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bilo je: "Da li ova "stvorenja"
daju znake života?
08:59
Can we measure this type of life?
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Možemo li da "izmerimo" ovaj oblik života?
09:01
Because if we can,
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Jer, ako možemo,
09:02
maybe we have a chance of actually discovering life somewhere else
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možda imamo šansu da zapravo otkrijemo život negde drugde
09:06
without being biased by things like amino acids."
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i da pritom ne budemo ograničeni
stvarima kakve su aminokiseline."
09:10
So I said, "Well, perhaps we should construct a biosignature
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Ja sam rekao: "Pa, možda mogu da konstruišem
prikaz znakova života
09:15
based on life as a universal process.
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zasnovan na životu kao univerzalnom procesu.
09:18
In fact, it should perhaps make use of the concepts that I developed
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Zapravo, taj prikaz može da koristi koncepte koje sam razvio
09:23
just in order to sort of capture what a simple living system might be."
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samo kako bih zabeležio
šta bi jednostavan živi sistem mogao da predstavlja."
09:27
And the thing I came up with --
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Ono što mi je palo na pamet,
09:28
I have to first give you an introduction about the idea,
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da napravim uvod u ideju,
09:32
and maybe that would be a meaning detector,
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bi zapravo bio neki detektor značenja,
09:36
rather than a life detector.
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pre nego detektor života.
09:38
And the way we would do that --
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Način na koji bismo to postigli --
09:40
I would like to find out how I can distinguish text
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recimo, želim da saznam kako da razlikujem
09:42
that was written by a million monkeys, as opposed to text that is in our books.
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tekst koji je napisalo milion majmuna,
od teksta koji je u knjigama.
09:47
And I would like to do it in such a way
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I želeo bih to da uradim na takav način
09:49
that I don't actually have to be able to read the language,
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da uopšte i ne moram da znam da čitam na tom jeziku,
09:52
because I'm sure I won't be able to.
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pošto sam siguran da neću znati.
09:54
As long as I know that there's some sort of alphabet.
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Uvek mora da postoji neka vrsta alfabeta.
Dakle ovo je nivo učestalosti,
09:57
So here would be a frequency plot
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09:59
of how often you find each of the 26 letters of the alphabet
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tj. koliko često se javlja
svako od 26 slova alfabeta
10:02
in a text written by random monkeys.
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u tekstu koji su napisali neki majmuni.
10:05
And obviously, each of these letters comes off about roughly equally frequent.
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Očigledno, svako od ovih slova
javlja se otprilike podjednako često.
10:10
But if you now look at the same distribution in English texts,
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Ali ako pogledate distribuciju slova u tekstovima na engleskom,
10:13
it looks like that.
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nivo učestalosti je ovakav.
10:15
And I'm telling you, this is very robust across English texts.
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Kažem vam, ovaj nivo učestalosti u tekstovima na engleskom je vrlo stalan.
10:19
And if I look at French texts, it looks a little bit different,
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Ako bi pogledali tekstove na francuskom, bilo bi malo drugačije,
10:22
or Italian or German.
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kao i u tekstovima na italijanskom ili nemačkom.
10:23
They all have their own type of frequency distribution,
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U svakom su slova drugačije distribuirana,
10:26
but it's robust.
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ali nivo učestalosti je stalan.
10:28
It doesn't matter whether it writes about politics or about science.
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Nije bitno da li tekst govori o politici ili o nauci,
da li je u pitanju poezija
10:31
It doesn't matter whether it's a poem or whether it's a mathematical text.
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ili tekst o matematici,
10:37
It's a robust signature,
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ova slika je vrlo robusna i stabilna.
10:39
and it's very stable.
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10:40
As long as our books are written in English --
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Dok god pišemo knjige na engleskom,
a ljudi ih stalno iznova pišu i umnožavaju,
10:43
because people are rewriting them and recopying them --
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10:45
it's going to be there.
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takva slika će biti prisutna.
10:47
So that inspired me to think about, well, what if I try to use this idea
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To me je inspirisalo da razmislim o sledećem -
dakle, šta ako pokušam da primenim ovu ideju,
10:53
in order, not to detect random texts from texts with meaning,
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ne da bih razlučio nasumične tekstove
od onih koji imaju značenje,
10:56
but rather detect the fact that there is meaning
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već da bih otkrio da li postoji značenje
11:00
in the biomolecules that make up life.
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u biomolekulima koji sačinjavaju život.
11:03
But first I have to ask:
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Prvo moram da se zapitam:
11:04
what are these building blocks,
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šta su uopšte ove kockice, ovaj alfabet, ovi elementi koje sam vam pokazao?
11:05
like the alphabet, elements that I showed you?
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11:08
Well it turns out, we have many different alternatives
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Ispostavilo se da ima više različitih zamena
11:11
for such a set of building blocks.
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za ovaj set kockica.
11:13
We could use amino acids,
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To mogu biti aminokiseline,
11:14
we could use nucleic acids, carboxylic acids, fatty acids.
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nukleinske kiseline, karboksilne kiseline, masne kiseline.
11:17
In fact, chemistry's extremely rich, and our body uses a lot of them.
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Zapravo, hemija je izuzetno bogata, i naše telo koristi mnogo hemikalija.
11:21
So that we actually, to test this idea,
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Dakle, kako bismo testirali ovu ideju
11:23
first took a look at amino acids and some other carboxylic acids.
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morali smo prvo da ispitamo aminokiseline i neke druge karboksilne kiseline.
11:27
And here's the result.
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I evo rezultata.
11:28
Here is, in fact, what you get
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Evo, ovo se dobija
11:31
if you, for example, look at the distribution of amino acids
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kada, na primer, ispitate distribuciju aminokiselina
11:34
on a comet or in interstellar space or, in fact, in a laboratory,
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na nekoj kometi ili u međuzvezdanom prostoru
ili u laboratoriji
11:39
where you made very sure that in your primordial soup,
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za koju ste sigurni
da u njoj nema ničeg živog.
11:42
there is no living stuff in there.
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11:44
What you find is mostly glycine and then alanine
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Ono što ćete naći su uglavnom glicin i alanin
11:47
and there's some trace elements of the other ones.
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a ostalih kiselina ima u tragovima.
11:49
That is also very robust --
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Ova slika je takođe vrlo konstantna -
11:52
what you find in systems like Earth
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ovo je ono što bismo našli u sistemima nalik Zemlji
11:55
where there are amino acids, but there is no life.
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u kojima ima aminokiselina,
ali nema života.
11:59
But suppose you take some dirt and dig through it
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Ali šta ako bismo uzeli malo zemlje
i kopali malo po njoj
12:03
and then put it into these spectrometers,
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i onda je stavili u ovaj spektrometar?
12:06
because there's bacteria all over the place;
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Pošto ima bakterija na sve strane.
12:08
or you take water anywhere on Earth,
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Isti rezultat bi bio i sa vodom uzetom bilo gde na Zemlji,
12:11
because it's teaming with life,
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kada bi se sprovela ista analiza,
12:12
and you make the same analysis;
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jer je i ona prepuna života;
12:14
the spectrum looks completely different.
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spektar bi izgledao potpuno drugačije.
12:17
Of course, there is still glycine and alanine,
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Naravno, glicin i alanin bi još uvek bili tu,
12:20
but in fact, there are these heavy elements, these heavy amino acids,
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ali bilo bi i teških elemenata, teških aminokiselina,
12:23
that are being produced because they are valuable to the organism.
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koje se proizvode
zato što su od značaja za život organizma.
12:28
And some other ones that are not used in the set of 20,
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Neke druge
koje ne spadaju u dvadeset esencijalnih,
12:32
they will not appear at all in any type of concentration.
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se uopšte ne bi pojavile ni u kojoj koncentraciji.
12:35
So this also turns out to be extremely robust.
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Dakle, i ova slika je konstantna.
12:37
It doesn't matter what kind of sediment you're using to grind up,
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Nije bitno koji sediment je u pitanju,
da li su u pitanju bakterije ili neke biljke ili životinje.
12:41
whether it's bacteria or any other plants or animals.
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12:44
Anywhere there's life,
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Gde god ima života
12:45
you're going to have this distribution,
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imaćete ovakvu distribuciju,
12:47
as opposed to that distribution.
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a ne ovakvu.
12:49
And it is detectable not just in amino acids.
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Ove razlike možemo očitati ne samo kada su aminokiseline u pitanju.
12:52
Now you could ask:
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Sada se možda pitate:
12:54
Well, what about these Avidians?
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dakle šta sa ovim "Avidijancima"?
12:57
The Avidians being the denizens of this computer world
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"Avidijanci" su stanovnici kompjuterskog sveta
13:00
where they are perfectly happy replicating and growing in complexity.
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u kome su savršeno srećni što se umnožavaju i postaju sve složeniji.
13:03
So this is the distribution that you get if, in fact, there is no life.
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Dakle, ovo je prikaz distribucije koji dobijamo
u slučaju da života nema.
13:08
They have about 28 of these instructions.
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Oni imaju 28 ovakvih instrukcija,
13:11
And if you have a system where they're being replaced one by the other,
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i ukoliko imamo sistem u kome se one javljaju jedna za drugom,
sistem nema značenja - kao majmuni sa kucaćim mašinama.
13:15
it's like the monkeys writing on a typewriter.
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13:17
Each of these instructions appears with roughly the equal frequency.
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Svaka od instrukcija se pojavljuje
otprilike podjednako često.
13:22
But if you now take a set of replicating guys
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Ali ako uzmemo skup ovih stvorenja koja se množe
13:27
like in the video that you saw,
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kao na snimku koji ste videli,
13:29
it looks like this.
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prikaz distribucije izgleda ovako.
13:31
So there are some instructions
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Dakle, postoje neke instrukcije
13:32
that are extremely valuable to these organisms,
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koje su izuzetno važne za ove "organizme",
13:35
and their frequency is going to be high.
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i one će se javljati učestalije.
13:37
And there's actually some instructions that you only use once, if ever.
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A ima i onih instrukcija
koje se koriste samo jednom, ili nikad.
13:41
So they are either poisonous
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One su, dakle, ili otrovne, ili ih treba koristiti ređe
13:43
or really should be used at less of a level than random.
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nego što bi se pojavljivale kada bi sve bilo nasumično.
13:47
In this case, the frequency is lower.
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Nivo učestalosti ovih instrukcija je niži.
13:51
And so now we can see, is that really a robust signature?
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Sada možemo da vidimo da li zaista postoji neka šema.
13:53
I can tell you indeed it is,
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Mogu vam reći da postoji,
13:55
because this type of spectrum, just like what you've seen in books,
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jer smo ovakav spektar videli na primeru sa knjigama,
13:58
and just like what you've seen in amino acids,
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kao i na primeru sa aminokiselinama,
14:00
it doesn't really matter how you change the environment,
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i ne menja se kada promenite okruženje, veoma je postojan;
14:03
it's very robust, it's going to reflect the environment.
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i oslikava okruženje.
Pokazaću vam jedan mali eksperiment koji smo napravili.
14:06
So I'm going to show you now a little experiment that we did.
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Moram da objasnim -
14:09
And I have to explain to you,
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na vrhu ovog grafikona
14:10
the top of this graph
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14:11
shows you that frequency distribution that I talked about.
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prikazana je učestalost distribucije elemenata o kojoj sam pričao.
14:14
Here, that's the lifeless environment
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Ovde imamo okolinu bez života
14:18
where each instruction occurs at an equal frequency.
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gde se svaka od instrukcija ponavlja
podjednako često.
14:22
And below there, I show, in fact, the mutation rate in the environment.
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A ispod je prikazan
nivo promene učestalosti instrukcija u okolini.
14:27
And I'm starting this at a mutation rate that is so high
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Počeću eksperiment sa nivoom promene dovoljno visokim
14:30
that even if you would drop a replicating program
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da, čak i ako bismo ubacili
program koji se umnožava
14:34
that would otherwise happily grow up to fill the entire world,
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i koji bi inače rado porastao
i ispunio čitav svet,
14:39
if you drop it in, it gets mutated to death immediately.
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on bi u ovom slučaju "umro" na licu mesta.
14:42
So there is no life possible at that type of mutation rate.
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Dakle, život je nemoguć
kada je nivo mutacije ovakav.
14:47
But then I'm going to slowly turn down the heat, so to speak,
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Ali ako polako smanjim temperaturu, da tako kažem,
14:51
and then there's this viability threshold
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dolazim do praga održivosti u životu
14:53
where now it would be possible for a replicator to actually live.
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na kome bi bilo moguće
da program koji se umnožava preživi.
14:57
And indeed, we're going to be dropping these guys into that soup all the time.
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Dakle, ubacivaćemo ova stvorenja
u ovu čorbu sve vreme.
15:03
So let's see what that looks like.
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Pogledajmo kako to sve izgleda.
15:05
So first, nothing, nothing, nothing.
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U početku: ništa, ništa, ništa.
15:08
Too hot, too hot.
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Vrelo, vrelo.
15:09
Now the viability threshold is reached,
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Sada je prag održivosti dostignut,
15:12
and the frequency distribution has dramatically changed
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a učestalost distribucije
značajno izmenjena, tj. stabilizovana.
15:16
and, in fact, stabilizes.
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15:18
And now what I did there
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A sada šta sam uradio?
15:19
is, I was being nasty, I just turned up the heat again and again.
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Pa, bio sam nevaljao, povećao sam temperaturu ponovo.
15:23
And of course, it reaches the viability threshold.
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I naravno, dostigli smo prag održivosti.
15:25
And I'm just showing this to you again because it's so nice.
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Pokazujem vam ovo ponovo jer je mnogo lepo.
15:28
You hit the viability threshold.
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Dostigli smo prag održivosti.
15:30
The distribution changes to "alive!"
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Prikaz distribucije instrukcija se promeni u: "Živo!"
15:32
And then, once you hit the threshold
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A onda, ako ponovo dođemo do tačke
15:35
where the mutation rate is so high that you cannot self-reproduce,
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na kojoj je nivo mutacije toliko visok
da se programi ne mogu samoumnožiti,
informacije se ne mogu preneti
15:40
you cannot copy the information forward to your offspring
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na potomstvo
15:44
without making so many mistakes that your ability to replicate vanishes.
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bez pravljenja toliko grešaka
da sama sposobnost umnožavanja nestaje.
15:49
And then, that signature is lost.
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Taj znak života je time izgubljen.
15:53
What do we learn from that?
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Šta možemo zaključiti iz toga?
15:54
Well, I think we learn a number of things from that.
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Pa, mnogo toga.
15:58
One of them is,
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Između ostalog, zaključićemo
16:00
if we are able to think about life in abstract terms --
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da, ako smo u stanju da zamislimo život
u apstraktnom smislu,
16:05
and we're not talking about things like plants,
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ne kao biljke,
16:08
and we're not talking about amino acids,
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aminokiseline
16:10
and we're not talking about bacteria,
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ili bakterije,
16:11
but we think in terms of processes --
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već kao skup procesa,
16:14
then we could start to think about life
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možemo početi da gledamo na život
16:16
not as something that is so special to Earth,
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ne kao na nešto isključivo svojstveno Zemlji,
16:18
but that, in fact, could exist anywhere.
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već kao nešto što bi moglo postojati bilo gde.
16:21
Because it really only has to do with these concepts of information,
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Zato što život ima veze,
pre svega, sa konceptima vezanim za informacije,
16:25
of storing information within physical substrates --
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za skladištenje informacija
u okviru fizičkog konteksta -
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anything: bits, nucleic acids, anything that's an alphabet --
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bitova, nukleinskih kiselina
bilo šta što predstavlja sistem znakova -
16:33
and make sure that there's some process
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obavezno je i postojanje nekog procesa
16:35
so that this information can be stored for much longer than you would expect --
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koji omogućava da informacije budu skladištene
mnogo duže nego što biste očekivali
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the time scales for the deterioration of information.
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da mogu odoleti vremenu.
16:44
And if you can do that, then you have life.
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Ako omogućimo tako nešto,
dobili smo život.
16:47
So the first thing that we learn
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Dakle, prvo što smo zaključili
16:49
is that it is possible to define life in terms of processes alone,
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jeste da je život moguće definisati
i samo kao skup procesa,
16:55
without referring at all to the type of things that we hold dear,
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bez ikakvog oslanjanja
na stvari na koje smo naviknuti
17:00
as far as the type of life on Earth is.
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kada je u pitanju zemaljski život.
17:02
And that, in a sense, removes us again,
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To nas na neki način udaljava,
17:05
like all of our scientific discoveries, or many of them --
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kao i sva naša velika naučna otkrića ili bar većina njih -
17:08
it's this continuous dethroning of man --
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postepeno nas skida sa trona
naših ubeđenja kako smo posebni jer smo živi.
17:11
of how we think we're special because we're alive.
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17:13
Well, we can make life; we can make life in the computer.
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Dakle, možemo da napravimo život. Barem na kompjuteru.
17:16
Granted, it's limited,
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Naravno, to je ograničen život,
17:18
but we have learned what it takes in order to actually construct it.
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ali smo tako naučili šta nam sve treba
da bismo ga konstruisali.
17:23
And once we have that,
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Jednom kad to budemo savladali
17:26
then it is not such a difficult task anymore
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više neće biti tako teško zamisliti
17:29
to say, if we understand the fundamental processes
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da, pošto razumemo fundamentalne procese
17:33
that do not refer to any particular substrate,
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koji se ne odnose ni na jedan određeni kontekst,
17:36
then we can go out and try other worlds,
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možemo otići odavde
i ispitati druge svetove,
17:40
figure out what kind of chemical alphabets might there be,
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otkriti kakvi bi hemijski alfabeti tamo mogli da postoje,
17:45
figure enough about the normal chemistry, the geochemistry of the planet,
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saznati nešto o njihovom hemijskom sastavu,
odnosno geohemiji te planete,
17:50
so that we know what this distribution would look like in the absence of life,
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kako bismo znali kako nivoi distribucije izgledaju
u odsustvu života,
17:53
and then look for large deviations from this --
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tada bismo mogli tragati za odstupanjima od toga -
17:56
this thing sticking out, which says, "This chemical really shouldn't be there."
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ukoliko naiđemo na nešto što se izdvaja, recimo:
"Ovoj hemikaliji ovde nije mesto."
18:01
Now we don't know that there's life then,
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Nećemo tada biti sigurni da tu ima života,
18:03
but we could say,
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ali moći ćemo da kažemo:
18:05
"Well at least I'm going to have to take a look very precisely at this chemical
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"Ispitaću ovu hemikaliju vrlo pažljivo
18:08
and see where it comes from."
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da vidim odakle potiče."
18:11
And that might be our chance of actually discovering life
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To može biti naša šansa da otkrijemo život
18:14
when we cannot visibly see it.
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i kada život ne bude bio očigledan.
18:16
And so that's really the only take-home message that I have for you.
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Dakle, to je jedina poruka koju želim
da ponesete odavde.
18:21
Life can be less mysterious than we make it out to be
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Život postaje manje misteriozan
nego što nam se čini
18:25
when we try to think about how it would be on other planets.
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kada pokušamo da ga zamislimo na drugim planetama.
18:29
And if we remove the mystery of life,
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Ako uklonimo veo misterije sa naše predstave o životu,
18:32
then I think it is a little bit easier for us to think about how we live,
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postaće nam lakše
da razmišljamo o tome kako mi živimo,
18:37
and how perhaps we're not as special as we always think we are.
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i shvatićemo da možda nismo toliko posebni kao što smo oduvek mislili.
18:40
And I'm going to leave you with that.
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Mislite o tome.
I hvala vam puno.
18:43
And thank you very much.
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18:44
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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