The surprising science of alpha males | Frans de Waal

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Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Ivana Korom
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Well, I have known many alpha males in my life,
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Dakle, poznavao sam mnoge alfa mužjake u mom životu,
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chimpanzee alpha males,
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alfa mužjake šimpanzi,
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and I'm going to talk about what an alpha male is,
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i govoriću vam o tome šta je to alfa mužjak
00:22
because I think we can all learn a lot from our close relatives
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jer mislim da svi mi možemo mnogo da naučimo od naših bliskih rođaka
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where we have alpha males.
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kod kojih imamo alfa mužjake.
00:28
And as an example, I want to give you Amos, a male that I knew
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A kao primer želim da navedem Ejmosa, mužjaka kojeg sam poznavao,
00:33
who was a young male and he was alpha male,
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koji je bio mladi mužjak i bio je alfa mužjak,
00:35
he was very popular,
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bio je veoma popularan,
00:36
but he got sick
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ali se razboleo
00:38
and he lost his position because, you know, chimpanzee males
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i izgubio je svoju poziciju jer, znate, mužjaci šimpanzi
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they can spot from a mile away if you are weak
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mogu sa kilometar udaljenosti da spaze ako ste slabi,
00:44
and they went for him,
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pa su se ustremili na njega,
00:46
and he lost his position, and then he got sicker and sicker
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i on je izgubio svoju poziciju, te je postajao sve bolesniji
00:49
until at some point we had to isolate him.
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sve do momenta kada smo morali da ga izolujemo.
00:52
The group lived on a grassy island,
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Grupa je živela na travnatom ostrvu,
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and we had to isolate him in a cage,
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a morali smo da ga izolujemo u kavez,
00:58
but we cracked open the cage so that the rest of the chimps
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ali smo ostavili kavez otvoren kako bi mu ostale šimpanze
01:01
still had access to him.
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i dalje imale pristup.
01:02
And what happened was most touching.
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A desilo se nešto najdirljivije.
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Other chimps would bring food to him,
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Druge šimpanze bi mu donosile hranu,
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they would bring wood wool to him,
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donosile bi mu drvenu vunu,
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which is this thing that they use to sleep in and build nests out of,
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a to je nešto što koriste za spavanje i izradu gnezda,
01:13
and females would put the wood wool behind his back.
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a ženke bi mu stavljale drvenu vunu iza leđa.
01:16
He was leaning heavily against the wall,
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Poprilično se naslanjao na zid,
01:18
and the way we do with pillows to patients in a hospital,
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i kao što mi radimo sa jastucima kod pacijenata u bolnicama,
01:22
they were putting that stuff behind his back.
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stavljale su tu stvar njemu iza leđa.
01:24
And I thought, this is the way to go for an alpha male.
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I mislio sam kako je to pravi način da se ophodi prema alfa mužjaku.
01:28
He was loved and respected, and everyone was taking care of him,
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Voleli su ga i poštovali i svi su ga pazili,
01:32
and this is not always how it goes,
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a to se uvek tako ne dešava
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because some males don't end so well when they lose their position.
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jer neki mužjaci ne završe dobro nakon gubitka pozicije.
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So Amos was an example of a male who was liked as a leader,
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Dakle, Ejmos je bio primer mužjaka koga su voleli kao vođu,
01:42
and I think the term alpha male, if you look it up on the internet,
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a smatram da termin alfa mužjak, ako ga potražite na internetu,
01:46
you will find all these business books that tell you how to be an alpha male,
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otkrićete sve te poslovne knjige koje vam govore kako da budete alfa mužjak,
01:49
and what they mean is how to beat up others
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a pod time podrazumevaju kako da potučete druge
01:52
and beat them over the head and let them know that you are boss
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i da ih potučete do kostiju i date im do znanja da ste vi šef
01:55
and don't mess with me and so on.
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i ne kačite se sa mnom i tako dalje.
01:56
And basically an alpha male for them is a bully.
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I u suštini za njih alfa mužjak je nasilnik.
02:00
And I really don't like that kind of description,
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I meni se zaista ne sviđa takav opis
02:04
because I am actually partly responsible for the term "alpha male"
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zato što sam ja delimično odgovoran za termin „alfa mužjak“
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because I wrote this book "Chimpanzee Politics,"
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jer sam napisao knjigu: „Politika šimpanzi“,
02:11
which was recommended by Newt Gingrich to freshmen congressmen.
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koju je mladim kongresmenima preporučio Njut Gingrič.
02:16
I don't know what good it did, but he recommended that book to them,
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Ne znam koliko im je koristila, ali on im je tu knjigu preporučio,
02:20
and after that the term "alpha male" became very popular.
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a nakon toga je termin „alfa mužjak“ postao veoma popularan.
02:24
But I think it is used in a mischaracterization.
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Međutim, mislim da se koristi kao pogrešna karakterizacija.
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It's used in a very superficial way
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Koristi se na veoma površan način
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that doesn't relate to what a real alpha male is.
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koji nema veze s tim šta je istinski alfa mužjak.
02:32
And so I'm here to explain what that is.
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Pa sam tu da objasnim šta je to.
02:35
The term itself goes back actually much further.
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Sam termin je daleko stariji.
02:37
It goes back to the '40s and '50s, research on wolves,
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Potiče iz '40-ih i '50-ih iz istraživanja o vukovima,
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and basically the definition is very simple.
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i u suštini, njegova definicija je veoma prosta.
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The highest ranking male is the alpha male.
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Mužjak koji ima najveći rang je alfa mužjak.
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The highest ranking female is the alpha female.
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Ženka koja ima najveći rang je alfa ženka.
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Every primate group has one alpha male, one alpha female,
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Svaka grupa primata ima jednog alfa mužjaka, jednu alfa ženku,
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not more than that, there's only one.
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ne više od toga, postoji samo jedan.
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And I will explain how that goes.
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A ja ću da objasnim kako to ide.
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So first, the body language.
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Dakle, prvo, govor tela.
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What you see here is two male chimpanzees who are the same size,
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Ovde vidite dva mužjaka šimpanze koji su iste veličine,
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but one is walking upright, has his hair up,
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ali jedan hoda uspravljeno, dlaka mu je nakostrešena,
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has a big rock in his hand, and he's the alpha male.
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ima veliki kamen u ruci i on je alfa mužjak.
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The other male is pant-grunting to him,
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Drugi mužjak dahćući rokće na njega,
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is being submissive to him and bowing for him,
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podređen mu je i klanja mu se,
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and that is the sort of ritual they need to go through many times a day
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a radi se o nekakvom ritualu kroz koji moraju da prođu mnogo puta na dan
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in order to have a stable relationship.
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kako bi imali stabilan odnos.
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I'll show you a video from the field.
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Pokazaću vam snimak sa terena.
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What you will see here is a female pant-grunting to an alpha male
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Ovde ćete videti ženku kako dahćući rokće na alfa mužjaka
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and you will see how that goes.
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i videćete kako se to odvija.
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The male is approaching,
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Mužjak prilazi,
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she grunts at him.
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rokće na njega.
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(Chimpanzee grunts)
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(Šimpanza rokće)
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He has all his hair up
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Sva dlaka mu je nakostrešena
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and he displays.
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i on paradira.
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I'm actually standing far too close.
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Zapravo stojim suviše blizu.
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A chimpanzee is far stronger than I am,
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Šimpanza je mnogo snažnija od mene
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and I just was not very prudent, this particular video.
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i ja prosto nisam bio veoma obazriv tokom baš ovog snimka.
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So what you saw him do
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Dakle, videli ste da radi sledeće:
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is he was lifting himself up and standing on two legs,
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uspravljao se i stajao na dve noge,
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and putting his arms out.
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i širio je ruke.
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That's called the bipedal swagger.
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To se naziva dvonožnim šepurenjem.
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It's a very common posture in high-ranking males,
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Veoma je uobičajeno držanje kod visoko rangiranih mužjaka,
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and it's very recognizable because humans do this kind of stuff.
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i veoma je prepoznatljivo jer i ljudi rade nešto slično.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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Humans do this all the time.
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Ljudi to rade sve vreme.
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And what I really like about this particular picture
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A ono što mi se zaista sviđa baš kod ove slike
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is the two old guys to the side.
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su dva stara momka sa strane.
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This is very chimpanzee.
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Ovo je tako tipično za šimpanze.
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In chimpanzees,
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Kod šimpanzi,
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we have usually old males who are over the hill,
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obično imamo stare mužjake koji su u odmaklom dobu,
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who cannot be alpha male themselves anymore,
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koji sami više ne mogu da budu alfa mužjaci,
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but they start playing games and forming coalitions,
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ali oni počinju da igraju igre i da formiraju koalicije,
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and behind the backs of others.
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i to drugima iza leđa.
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And they become extremely influential,
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I postaju izuzetno uticajni,
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and you may actually have old males
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i zapravo možete da imate stare mužjake
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who are more influential than the alpha male himself.
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koji su daleko uticajniji od samog alfa mužjaka.
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Just as an example,
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Samo da vam dam primer,
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the three males that I used to work with most
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tri mužjaka sa kojima sam nekad davno najviše radio
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at the Dutch zoo long ago, where I worked,
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u holandskom zoološkom vrtu, gde sam radio,
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and the middle male here is a 17-year-old alpha male.
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a mužjak ovde u sredini je 17-godišnji alfa mužjak.
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The male whom he is grooming on the side is twice as old,
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Mužjak koga timari sa strane je dvostruko stariji,
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and this old male has made him the leader.
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a ovaj stari mužjak ga je proizveo u vođu.
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So you can imagine that that old male has an enormous amount of power,
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Dakle, možete da zamislite kako taj stari mužjak ima ogromnu moć
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because he has made the alpha male alpha male.
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jer je alfa mužjaka proizveo u alfa mužjaka.
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The male on the right
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Mužjak zdesna
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is individually the strongest male.
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je pojedinačno najsnažniji mužjak.
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In captivity, you can test it out,
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U zarobljeništvu to možete da testirate
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and you can know that this male has no trouble with either one.
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i možete da znate da ovaj mužjak nema problema ni sa jednim od druga dva.
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He has only trouble with the combination of the two.
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On jedino ima problema sa kombinacijom druga dva.
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And so the coalition formation that goes on in chimpanzee society
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Stoga, zbog formiranja koalicija, koje se dešava u društvu šimpanzi,
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makes it much more complex than you think.
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to društvo je daleko složenije nego što mislite.
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It means, for example,
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To znači, na primer,
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that the smallest male in a group can be the alpha male.
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da najmanji mužjak u grupi može da bude alfa mužjak.
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You don't need to be the biggest and strongest male.
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Ne morate da budete najveći i najsnažniji mužjak.
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The smallest male, if he has the right friends and keeps them happy,
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Najmanji mužjak, ako ima prave prijatelje i održava ih srećnim,
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or he has female support,
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ili ima podršku ženki,
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he can be the alpha male.
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može da bude alfa mužjak.
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So the coalition system makes everything complex,
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Dakle, zbog sistema koalicija sve je složenije,
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and I'm always waiting here in the US
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a ja uvek čekam ovde u SAD-u
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for the primaries, the end of the primaries,
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glavne izbore, kraj glavnih izbora
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because that's a moment where you need to demonstrate unity.
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jer je to trenutak u kome morate da pokažete jedinstvo.
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Now let me first show you how the unity is shown in chimpanzees.
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Sad, dozvolite mi da vam pokažem kako jedinstvo pokazuju šimpanze.
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What you see here is two males on the left
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Ovde vidite dva mužjaka sleva
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who are standing together.
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koji stoje zajedno.
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You also see the big canine teeth that they have.
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Takođe vidite velike očnjake koje imaju.
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And they're standing together and they demonstrate to the rest of the group,
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A oni stoje zajedno i pokazuju ostatku grupe:
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"We are together. We are a unit."
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„Zajedno smo. Ujedinjeni smo.“
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The males on the right are walking together in synchrony.
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Mužjaci zdesna sinhronizovano hodaju jedan do drugog.
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That's another way of demonstrating that you are together.
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To je još jedan način pokazivanja zajedništva.
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And so demonstrating unity is extremely important
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Dakle, pokazivanje jedinstva je izuzetno važno
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in a coalition system,
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u sistemu koalicija
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and as I said, in the primaries always I'm waiting for that moment
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i, kao što sam rekao, tokom glavnih izbora uvek čekam taj trenutak
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because then you have two members of the same party
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jer tada imate dva člana iste partije,
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who have been fighting with each other,
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koji su se međusobno takmičili,
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and they need to come together at some moment.
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a u jednom trenutku moraju da se ujedine.
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And it leads to very awkward situations.
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A to vodi do veoma neprijatnih situacija.
Ljudi koji se međusobno ne vole, moraju da prigrle jedno drugo
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People who don't like each other need to embrace each other
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06:27
and stand together,
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i da stoje zajedno,
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and that's absolutely essential for the unity of the party,
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a to je apsolutno krucijalno za jedinstvo partije
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and if you don't do that, the party may fall apart.
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i, ako to ne uradite, partija može da se raspadne.
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And so if it doesn't go well, like in this particular case --
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A ako ne prođe kako treba, kao u ovom naročitom slučaju -
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:39
then the party is in deep doo-doo
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onda je partija u grdnoj nevolji
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because they have not demonstrated unity.
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jer nisu pokazali jedinstvo.
06:44
So that's a very important part of the coalition system,
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Dakle, to je veoma važan deo sistema koalicija
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and that's something that we share between humans and chimpanzees.
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i to je nešto što je zajedničko ljudima i šimpanzama.
06:51
Now, how do you become an alpha male?
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Sad, kako postajete alfa mužjak?
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First of all, you need to be impressive and intimidating
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Pre svega, morate da budete impresivni i zastrašujući
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and demonstrate your vigor on occasion
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i da povremeno pokažete snagu
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and show that you are very strong,
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i da pokažete da ste veoma jaki,
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and there's all sorts of ways of doing that.
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a postoje razni načini da to postignete.
Ali druge stvari koje morate da radite, morate da budete darežljivi.
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But other things that you need to do is you need to be generous.
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07:08
So, for example, males who go on a campaign
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Dakle, na primer, mužjaci koji vode kampanju
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to dethrone the leader,
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da svrgnu vođu,
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which may take two or three months
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što može da potraje dva do tri meseca,
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where they're testing all the coalitions in the group,
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gde oni testiraju sve koalicije u grupi,
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they also become extremely generous.
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takođe postaju krajnje darežljivi.
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They share food very easily with everyone.
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S lakoćom dele hranu sa svima.
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Or they start to tickle the babies of the females.
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Ili počinju da golicaju bebe ženki.
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They're normally, male chimpanzees, not particularly interested in infants,
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Mužjaci šimpanze obično nisu naročito zainteresovani za novorođenčad,
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but when they are campaigning like that,
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ali tokom kampanja poput ove,
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they get very interested in infants and they tickle them,
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postaju veoma zainteresovani za bebe i golicaju ih
07:33
and they try to curry favor with the females.
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i pokušavaju da izmame naklonost kod ženki.
07:35
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:36
So in humans, of course,
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Zato sam kod ljudi, naravno,
07:37
I am always intrigued by these men who are candidates
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uvek intrigiran muškarcima koji su kandidati
07:41
and hold babies up like this.
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i podižu bebe ovako.
07:42
This is not particularly something that babies like --
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Ovo nije nešto što bebe naročito vole -
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
07:46
but since it is a signal to the rest of the world,
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ali pošto je to signal ostatku sveta,
07:48
they need to hold them in the air.
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moraju da ih drže u vazduhu.
07:50
And I was really intrigued by,
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I bio sam zaista intrigiran
07:53
when we had a female candidate in the last election,
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kada smo imali kandidatkinju na poslednjim izborima,
07:55
the way she held babies was more like this,
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način na koji je držala bebe pre je izgledao ovako,
07:58
which is what babies really like.
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a to je nešto što bebe zaista vole.
08:00
But she of course didn't need to send the message
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Međutim ona, naravno, nije morala da šalje poruku
08:02
that she could hold a baby without dropping it,
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da zna da drži bebu, a da joj ne ispadne,
08:05
which was what the man was doing.
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a upravo to je radio muškarac.
08:07
So this is a very common tactic,
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Dakle, radi se o veoma uobičajenoj taktici
08:08
and male chimpanzees,
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i mužjaci šimpanze
08:10
they spend a lot of time currying favor with all sorts of parties
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provode mnogo vremena mameći naklonost raznih partija
08:14
when they are campaigning.
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tokom kampanje.
08:17
Now, what are the privileges and the costs
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Sad, šta su privilegije i koja je cena
08:21
of being an alpha male?
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kada ste alfa mužjak?
08:23
The biggest privilege is females.
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Najveća privilegija su ženke.
08:26
Food is really irrelevant.
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Hrana je zaista nebitna.
08:27
Male chimpanzees can go a week without food
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Mužjaci šimpanze mogu i nedelju dana bez hrane,
08:30
if there's a female in estrus and they're sexually interested in her.
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ako je u blizini ženka u teranju i ako su seksualno zainteresovani za nju.
08:34
Food is secondary to sex.
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Hrana je manje važna od seksa.
08:36
And so the male chimpanzees --
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Stoga mužjaci šimpanze -
08:38
and we evolutionary biologists, of course, we have an explanation for this,
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a mi evolutivni biolozi, naravno, imamo objašnjenje za to,
08:42
is that sex leads to reproduction,
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a ono glasi da seks vodi razmnožavanju,
08:44
and reproductive success is the measure of evolution.
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a reproduktivni uspeh je merilo evolucije.
08:47
That's how everything evolves.
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Na taj način sve evoluira.
08:49
And so if males can enhance their reproductive success
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Zato, ako mužjaci mogu da unaprede svoj reproduktivni uspeh
08:51
by being high ranking,
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visokim rangom,
08:53
you get automatically the ambition to be high ranking in the males.
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kod mužjaka automatski dobijate ambiciju da budu visokorangirani.
08:57
So that's the privilege.
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Dakle, radi se o privilegiji.
09:00
The costs, one cost is of course
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Cena, jedna cena je naravno
09:03
that you need to keep your partners happy.
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da morate partnere da održavate srećnima.
09:05
So if you come to power with the support of an old male,
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Pa ako dođete na vlast uz podršku starog mužjaka,
09:09
you need to let that old male mate with females.
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morate da dozvolite tom starom mužjaku da se pari sa ženkama.
09:12
If you don't do that, that old male is going to get mad at you,
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Ako to ne uradite, taj stari mužjak će da se naljuti na vas
09:15
and you're going to lose him as a partner.
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i izgubićete ga kao partnera.
09:18
So there's a transaction going on.
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Dakle, tu je na delu razmena.
09:20
If you become alpha male this way, you need to keep your partners happy.
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Ako na ovaj način postanete alfa mužjak, morate da održavate partnere srećnim.
09:24
And so that's one of the costs.
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Dakle, to je jedna od cena.
09:25
The second cost is that everyone wants your position.
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Druga cena je to što svi žele vaš položaj.
09:29
Alpha male position is a very important position,
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Položaj alfa mužjaka je veoma važan položaj
09:31
and everyone wants to take it from you,
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i svi žele da vam ga preotmu,
09:34
and so you constantly have to watch your back.
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te stoga stalno morate da čuvate leđa.
09:36
You have to be extremely vigilant.
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Morate da budete krajnje oprezni.
09:38
For example, you have to disrupt the coalitions of others
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Na primer, morate da razbijate tuđe koalicije
09:40
and that's what male chimpanzees do quite a bit.
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i to je nešto što mužjaci šimpanzi poprilično rade.
09:43
Divide and rule strategies, they have.
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Imaju strategiju: zavadi pa vladaj.
09:45
And so that's a very stressful situation, and we actually have data on this.
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Dakle, radi se o veoma stresnoj situaciji i zapravo imamo podatke o tome.
09:49
The data comes from the field,
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Podaci su sa terena,
09:51
from baboons not chimpanzees in this case,
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od babuna, ne šimpanzi u ovom slučaju,
09:54
where they did fecal samples on the baboons
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gde su analizirali uzorke fekalija babuna
09:56
and they analyzed them for glucocorticoids.
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i analizirali su ih radi glukokortikoida.
09:59
And what you see here is a graph
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A ovde vidite grafikon
10:01
where you see that the lower ranking the male baboon is,
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gde zapažate da što je babun niže rangiran
10:05
the higher is his cortisol level
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to su mu viši nivoi kortizola
10:07
in the feces,
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u fekalijama,
10:09
but the alpha male, as you see,
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ali alfa mužjaci, kao što vidite,
10:11
has just as high a level as the lowest-ranking males,
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imaju jednako visok nivo kao i najniže rangirani mužjaci,
10:14
and so you may think that being alpha male is nice and dandy and is wonderful,
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te možete da mislite kako je biti alfa mužjak lepo i bajno i čarobno,
10:19
but it's actually a very stressful position,
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ali zapravo se radi o veoma stresnom položaju
10:21
and we can demonstrate that physiologically.
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i to možemo fiziološki da pokažemo.
10:25
Now, what are the obligations?
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Sad, šta su obaveze?
10:27
And here, for me, it gets really interesting,
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A ovde, meni, postaje zaista zanimljivo
10:30
and it deviates very much from your typical image of the alpha male.
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i značajno se razlikuje od toga kako tipično zamišljate alfa mužjake.
10:35
The alpha male has two sorts of obligations.
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Alfa mužjak ima dva vida obaveza.
10:38
One is to keep the peace in the group.
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Jedna je da održava mir u grupi.
10:40
We call that the control role,
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Tu ulogu nazivamo kontrolnom,
10:42
to control fights in the group,
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da kontrolišu sukobe u grupi,
10:44
and the second is to be the most empathic,
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a druga je da budu najempatičniji,
10:46
the consoler in chief, basically, of the nation, so to speak.
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u suštini, glavni utešitelji nacije, takoreći.
10:49
So first of all, keeping the peace.
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Dakle, pre svega, održavanje mira.
10:51
This is a male who stops a fight between two females.
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To je mužjak koji prekida sukob između dve ženke.
10:54
Two females on the left and the right
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Dve ženke sleva i zdesna
10:56
have been screaming and yelling at each other over food,
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su vrištale i vikale jedna na drugu zbog hrane
10:59
because food is very important for the females,
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jer je hrana veoma važna za ženke,
11:01
and so he stops the fight between them and stands between them like this.
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te on prekida svađu između njih i ovako stoji između njih.
11:05
And it's very interesting to me that alpha males, when they do this,
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A veoma mi je zanimljivo to što alfa mužjaci, kad to rade,
11:08
they become impartial.
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postaju nepristrasni.
11:10
They don't support their mom or their best buddy.
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Ne podržavaju svoju majku, niti najboljeg druga.
11:13
No, no, they stop fights,
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Ne, ne, zaustavljaju sukobe
11:15
and they come up for the underdog in general.
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i uopšteno se zauzimaju za slabijeg.
11:17
And this makes them extremely popular in the group,
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A zbog ovoga su oni izuzetno popularni u grupi
11:21
because they provide security
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jer obezbeđuju sigurnost
11:23
for the lowest-ranking members of the group.
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za najniže rangirane članove grupe.
11:25
And so they become impartial,
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Stoga oni postaju nepristrasni,
11:27
which is an unusual condition for a chimpanzee to be in,
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a to je neuobičajeno stanje za šimpanzu
11:30
because they're usually very fond of their friends and so on,
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jer su one obično veoma naklonjene svojim prijateljima itd,
11:33
and these alpha males who are good at this,
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a alfa mužjaci koji su dobri u ovome,
11:35
they can be very effective at keeping the peace in the group.
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mogu da budu veoma efikasni u održavanju mira u grupi.
11:38
And the second thing they do is they show empathy for others.
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A drugo što rade je da pokazuju empatiju za druge.
11:41
Now, I do an enormous amount of research on empathy,
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Sad, poprilično se bavim istraživanjem empatije,
11:44
and I don't have time to go into it,
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i nemam vremena da zalazim u to,
11:45
but empathy is nowadays a topic that we study in rodents and dogs
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ali empatija je ovih dana tema koju izučavamo kod glodara i pasa
11:50
and elephants and primates,
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i slonova i primata,
11:52
all sorts of animals.
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raznih životinja.
11:54
And what you see here is two bonobos.
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A ovde vidite dva bonoboa.
11:56
The one in front
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Ova spreda
11:59
has been beaten up in a fight.
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je pretučena u bici.
12:00
The one in the back puts her arms around her and consoles her.
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Ona otpozadi stavlja svoje ruke oko nje da je uteši.
12:03
This is also actually how we measure empathy in young children,
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Ovo je zapravo način na koji merimo empatiju kod dečice,
12:07
by looking at how they respond to distressed individuals.
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posmatrajući kako reaguju na pojedince u nevolji.
12:11
And high-ranking males, they do a lot of this.
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A visokorangirani mužjaci to rade često.
12:13
High-ranking males provide an enormous amount of comfort in the group,
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Visokorangirani mužjaci pružaju ogromnu količinu utehe u grupi
12:17
and they go to places where there are earthquakes
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i odlaze na mesta pogođena zemljotresima
12:20
or hurricanes
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ili uraganima
12:22
and they provide comfort.
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i pružaju utehu.
12:23
The pope does this. The presidents do this.
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Papa to radi. Predsednici to rade.
12:26
All the leaders in the world have to do this job.
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Sve vođe na svetu moraju da obavljaju taj posao.
12:28
The queen does it and so on.
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Kraljica to radi, i tako dalje.
12:30
They all have to do this job,
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Svi moraju da rade taj posao,
12:31
so providing consolation, and that's a very important task.
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dakle, pružanje utehe je veoma važan zadatak.
12:35
And males who are good at these two,
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A mužjaci koji su dobri u ovome,
12:37
keeping the peace and providing comfort,
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održavanju mira i pružanju utehe,
12:39
they become extremely popular leaders,
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postaju izuzetno popularne vođe,
12:41
and there's actually some self-interest involved in it.
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a tu zapravo postoji lični interes.
12:44
They don't do it just for the group,
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Ne rade to samo radi grupe
12:46
because it also stabilizes their position.
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već i zato što im to učvršćuje položaj.
12:49
The more popular a male becomes as alpha male
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Što popularniji mužjak postane kao alfa mužjak
12:52
and the more the rest of them respects them and looks up to them,
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i što ga više ostali poštuju i ugledaju se na njega,
12:56
the better their position is defended
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bolje im je položaj zaštićen
12:58
in case it's going to be challenged by somebody else,
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u slučaju da ga neko drugi izazove
13:01
because then, of course, the whole group is going to support that male
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jer će tad, naravno, čitava grupa da podrži tog mužjaka
13:04
because they want to keep a leader who is good for them.
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jer žele da zadrže vođu koji je dobar prema njima.
13:07
So the group is usually very supportive of males who are good leaders,
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Dakle, grupa obično snažno podržava mužjake koji su dobre vođe
13:10
and it's not supportive at all of bullies.
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i uopšte ne podržava nasilnike.
13:13
And when bullies lose their position,
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A kada nasilnici izgube položaj,
13:14
they may end up in a very bad situation there.
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mogu da završe u veoma lošoj situaciji.
13:17
This is data actually on the consolation behavior.
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Ovo su zapravo podaci o utešiteljskom ponašanju.
13:20
This is data on consolation in chimpanzees,
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Ovo su podaci o tešenju kod šimpanzi
13:23
and you see for the medium- and low-ranking individuals,
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i vidite da kod srednjerangiranih i nižerangiranih jedinki,
13:26
the females do more of it than the males.
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ženke to ispoljavaju više od mužjaka.
13:28
This is basically the whole community.
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Ovo je u suštini celokupna zajednica.
13:30
And this is true for all the mammal studies on empathy
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A ovo je tačno u svim studijama empatije kod sisara
13:33
is that females have more of it than males.
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a to je da je ženke ispoljavaju više od mužjaka.
13:35
But look at the alpha male.
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Međutim, pogledajte alfa mužjaka.
13:37
The alpha male does far more than anybody else.
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Alfa mužjak je ispoljava daleko više od svih drugih.
13:40
And so that's the data on alpha males being the consoler in chief, basically.
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Dakle, radi se o podacima o alfa mužjacima gde su oni glavni utešitelji, u suštini.
13:46
The last thing I want to say is something about alpha females.
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Poslednje što želim da kažem je nešto o alfa ženkama.
13:50
This is a picture of Mama, the alpha female in the Arnhem zoo
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Ovo je slika Mame, alfa ženke iz zoološkog vrta Arnem
13:53
where I used to work,
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gde sam nekad radio,
13:54
who is now all over the internet,
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koja je sada širom interneta,
13:56
I think a hundred million clicks at the moment,
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mislim da trenutno ima sto miliona klikova,
13:58
for a video of her dying at the age of 59,
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nje kako umire u 59. godini,
14:01
which happened last year.
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a to se desilo prošle godine.
14:02
And Mama was an absolute centrum of the group.
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A Mama je bila apsolutno središte grupe.
14:05
So she was not physically capable of dominating the males.
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Dakle, nije fizički bila u stanju da dominira mužjacima.
14:10
She ranked below the males, but she was the center of the community,
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Bila je rangirana ispod mužjaka, ali bila je središte zajednice,
14:14
and if there was big trouble in the community,
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a ako bi došlo do velike nevolje u zajednici,
14:16
everyone would end up in the arms of Mama.
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svi bi završili u Maminom zagrljaju.
14:18
And so she was a very important figure.
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Dakle, bila je veoma važna figura.
14:20
And so I don't want to minimize the position of alpha females
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Dakle, ne želim da umanjujem položaj alfa ženki
14:24
in the chimpanzee group.
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u grupi šimpanzi.
14:25
And then we have a species that is equally close to us
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A zatim imamo vrstu koja je jednako bliska nama
14:28
as the chimpanzee, the bonobo.
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kao što su šimpanze, bonobo.
14:30
We often forget about the bonobo, but the bonobos have a matriarchal society
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Često zaboravljamo na bonoboe, ali bonoboi imaju matrijarhalno društvo
14:35
and the alpha individual is a female, generally.
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i alfa pojedinac je obično ženka.
14:39
Generally, it's a female who is at the top of the community,
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Obično je ženka ta koja je na vrhu zajednice,
14:42
and we know much less about how this is done
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i mnogo nam je manje poznato kako se to postiže
14:44
and how they get to that position, and what they do with it,
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i kako stižu do položaja i šta rade s njim
14:47
because we know much less about bonobos in general.
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jer uopšte mnogo manje znamo o bonoboima.
14:50
But I do want to emphasize
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Ali želim da naglasim
14:51
that the alpha in a group doesn't need to be a male,
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da alfa u grupi ne mora da bude mužjak
14:55
and that actually in one of our close relatives, it is a female.
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i da je zapravo kod jednog našeg bliskog pretka to ženka.
14:59
So the message I want to leave you with
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Dakle, poruka koju želim da vam ostavim
15:01
is that if you are looking at men in our society
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je da, ako tražite muškarce u društvu
15:07
who are the boss of, let's say,
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koji su gazde, recimo,
15:09
a family or a business or Washington or whatever,
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porodice ili posla ili Vašingtona ili bilo čega,
15:12
you call them alpha male,
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ako ih nazovete alfa mužjacima,
15:15
you should not insult chimpanzees
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nemojte da vređate šimpanze
15:17
by using the wrong label.
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upotrebom pogrešne etikete.
15:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
15:20
You should not call a bully an alpha male.
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Ne nazivajte siledžiju alfa mužjakom.
15:23
Someone who is big and strong and intimidates and insults everyone
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Neko ko je velik i snažan i zastrašuje i vređa svakoga
15:27
is not necessarily an alpha male.
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nije nužno alfa mužjak.
15:29
An alpha male has all sorts of qualities,
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Alfa mužjak ima razne kvalitete,
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and I have seen bully alpha males in chimpanzees,
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i viđao sam kod šimpanzi siledžije kao alfa mužjake,
15:34
they do occur,
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dešavaju se,
15:35
but most of the ones that we have
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ali većina koje imamo
15:38
have leadership capacities
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imaju kapacitete predvodništva
15:40
and are integrated in their community,
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i integrisani su u svoje zajednice,
15:42
and, like Amos at the end,
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i, poput Ejmosa na kraju,
15:44
they are loved and respected,
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vole ih i poštuju,
15:45
and so it's a very different situation than you may think.
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te je to veoma različit položaj nego što biste pomislili.
15:48
And I thank you.
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I ja vam zahvaljujem.
15:50
(Applause)
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