Nathaniel Kahn: My father, my architect

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: BAE HYEONHO ๊ฒ€ํ† : Seo Rim Kim
00:12
One thing I wanted to say about film making is -- about this film --
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์ด ์˜ํ™” ์ œ์ž‘์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€
00:15
in thinking about some of the wonderful talks we've heard here,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋“ค,
00:19
Michael Moschen, and some of the talks about music,
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๋งˆ์ดํด ๋ชจ์…˜๊ณผ ์Œ์•…์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋“ค,
00:21
this idea that there is a narrative line,
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์ด ์•ˆ์—๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ
00:24
and that music exists in time.
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๋™์‹œ์— ์Œ์•…์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ 
00:27
A film also exists in time; it's an experience
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์˜ํ™”๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
00:30
that you should go through emotionally.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋Š๊ปด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:33
And in making this film I felt that so many of the documentaries I've seen
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋•Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ดค๋˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹คํ๋ฉ˜ํ„ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
00:35
were all about learning something,
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์ง€์‹์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šด๋‹ค๋“ ๊ฐ€
00:38
or knowledge, or driven by talking heads, and driven by ideas.
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ ˆ์ด์…˜(ํ•ด์„ค)์ด๋‚˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ์–ด์š”.
00:42
And I wanted this film to be driven by emotions,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์˜ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ์„ฑ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ณ 
00:45
and really to follow my journey.
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์ œ ์—ฌ์ •์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ธธ ์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
So instead of doing the talking head thing, instead it's composed of scenes,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์˜ํ™”์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ ˆ์ด์…˜(ํ•ด์„ค) ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋Œ€์‹ ์— ์žฅ๋ฉด๋“ค์˜ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๊ณผ
00:50
and we meet people along the way.
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๊ธธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
We only meet them once.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ณ ๋Š”
00:54
They don't come back several times, so it really chronicles a journey.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •๋ง ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ˆœ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฌํ–‰์ด ๊ธฐ๋ก๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:57
It's something like life, that once you get in it
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์‚ถ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ฐœ์„ ๋“ค์ด๋ฉด
01:00
you can't get out.
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๋˜๋Œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ฃ .
01:02
There are two clips I want to show you,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์˜์ƒ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:04
the first one is a kind of hodgepodge,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋’ค์ฃฝ๋ฐ•์ฃฝ์ธ ์žก๋™์‚ฌ๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
01:07
its just three little moments, four little moments
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ž‘์€ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
01:10
with three of the people who are here tonight.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐค ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ช…๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋„ค ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋“ค์ด์—์š”.
01:12
It's not the way they occur in the film,
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์˜ํ™”์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:14
because they are part of much larger scenes.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋” ํฐ ์žฅ๋ฉด๋“ค ์ผ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
01:16
They play off each other in a wonderful way.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ด๋Œ์–ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:19
And that ends with a little clip of my father, of Lou,
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์ œ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์ธ ๋ฃจ์˜ ์˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:21
talking about something that is very dear to him,
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๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์†Œ์ค‘ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค,
01:23
which is the accidents of life.
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๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ถ ์†์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜์ƒ์ด์ฃ 
01:25
I think he felt that the greatest things in life were accidental,
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์ „ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ผ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ์—ฐ์ ์ด๊ณ 
01:28
and perhaps not planned at all.
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๊ณ„ํš๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:31
And those three clips will be followed by a scene of
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜์ƒ๋“ค์€
01:35
perhaps what, to me, is really his greatest building
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๋ฐฉ๊ธ€๋ผ๋ฐ์‹œ, ๋‹ค๊นŒ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
01:37
which is a building in Dhaka, Bangladesh.
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๊ทธ์˜ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๊ฑด์ถ•๋ฌผ์˜ ์žฅ๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:39
He built the capital over there.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์ˆ˜๋„๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:42
And I think you'll enjoy this building, it's never been seen --
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์ „ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฆ๊ธฐ์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๊ฐœ๋œ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
it's been still photographed, but never photographed by a film crew.
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์‚ฌ์ง„์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‚จ์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ดฌ์˜ํŒ€์— ์˜ํ•œ ์ดฌ์˜์€ ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:49
We were the first film crew in there.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ดฌ์˜ํŒ€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:52
So you'll see images of this remarkable building.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๊ฑด์ถ•๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:55
A couple of things to keep in mind when you see it,
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์—ผ๋‘์— ๋‘์…”์•ผ ํ•  ์ ์€
01:57
it was built entirely by hand,
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†์œผ๋กœ ์ง€์–ด์กŒ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
I think they got a crane the last year.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ž‘๋…„์—์•ผ ํฌ๋ ˆ์ธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:03
It was built entirely by hand off bamboo scaffolding,
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“  ๋Œ€๋‚˜๋ฌด ๋น„๊ณ„๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:06
people carrying these baskets of concrete on their heads,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ˜ํฌ๋ฆฌํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ์— ์ด๊ณ  ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ์„œ๋Š”
02:08
dumping them in the forms.
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๊ฑฐํ‘ธ์ง‘์— ๋ถ€์—ˆ์ฃ .
02:10
It is the capital of the country,
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ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:12
and it took 23 years to build,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™„์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ 23๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:15
which is something they seem to be very proud of over there.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œ ํ• ๋งŒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:18
It took as long as the Taj Mahal.
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ํƒ€์ง€๋งˆํ• ๋งŒํผ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์ฃ .
02:20
Unfortunately it took so long that Lou never saw it finished.
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํžˆ๋„ ๋ฃจ๋Š” ์™„๊ณต์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:23
He died in 1974.
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1974๋…„์— ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
The building was finished in 1983.
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์ด ๊ฑด์ถ•๋ฌผ์€ 1983๋…„์— ์™„๊ณต๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ค.
02:29
So it continued on for many years
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์‹  ํ›„๋กœ๋„
02:31
after he died.
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๋ช‡ ๋…„์ด๋‚˜ ๊ณ„์†๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
02:34
Think about that when you see that building,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ทธ ๊ฑด์ถ•๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ,
02:36
that sometimes the things we strive for so hard in life we never get to see finished.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ถ์—์„œ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ์• ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์™„์„ฑํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
02:40
And that really struck me about my father,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ๋ช…๋ฐ›์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€
02:44
in the sense that he had such belief
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ๋‹ฅ์น˜๋“ 
02:46
that somehow, doing these things
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์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ช…๊ฐ๊ณผ
02:48
giving in the way that he gave, that something good would come out of it,
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๋๋‚ด๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฌผ์ด ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:51
even in the middle of a war, there was a war with Pakistan at one point,
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ํŒŒํ‚ค์Šคํƒ„๊ณผ์˜ ์ „์Ÿ ์†์—์„œ
02:53
and the construction stopped totally and he kept working,
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๊ฑด์„ค์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ค‘๋‹จ๋์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ณ„์† ์ผํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
because he felt, "Well when the war is done
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ "์ „์Ÿ์ด ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ"
02:58
they'll need this building."
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๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ์…จ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ 
03:01
So, those are the two clips I'm going to show.
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๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ ๋“œ๋ฆด ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:03
Roll that tape.
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ํ…Œ์ดํ”„๋ฅผ ํ‹€์–ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”
03:06
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
03:14
Richard Saul Wurman: I remember hearing him talk at Penn.
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Richard Saul Wurman: ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํŽœ์‹ค๋ฒ ๋‹ˆ์•„ ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์š”.
03:17
And I came home and I said to my father and mother,
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์ €๋Š” ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ์™”๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
03:20
"I just met this man: doesn't have much work,
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"์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”, ์ผ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”,
03:23
and he's sort of ugly, funny voice,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ข€ ๋ชป์ƒ๊ฒผ๊ณ , ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์›ƒ๊ฒจ์š”,
03:27
and he's a teacher at school.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•™๊ต ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด์—์š”,
03:29
I know you've never heard of him, but just mark this day
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๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชป ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์…จ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€
03:32
that someday you will hear of him,
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๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ค์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด ๋‘์„ธ์š”,
03:35
because he's really an amazing man."
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”"
03:38
Frank Gehry: I heard he had some kind of a fling with Ingrid Bergman. Is that true?
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ํ”„๋žญํฌ ๊ฐœ๋ฆฌ(์ดํ•˜ FG): ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ž‰๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋“œ ๋ฒ„๊ทธ๋งŒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋งบ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ง„์งœ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
03:44
Nathaniel Kahn: If he did he was a very lucky man.
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๋‚˜๋‹ค๋‹ˆ์—˜ ์นธ(์ดํ•˜ NK): ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ–‰์šด์•„์ฃ .
03:46
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
03:48
NK: Did you hear that, really?
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NK: ์ง„์งœ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:49
FG: Yeah, when he was in Rome.
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FG: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋กœ๋งˆ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ์š”.
03:52
Moshe Safdie: He was a real nomad.
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๋ชจ์‰ฌ ์‚ฌํ”„๋””: ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ž‘์ž์˜ˆ์š”.
03:55
And you know, when I knew him when I was in the office,
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
03:57
he would come in from a trip, and he would be in the office
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์—ฌํ–‰์—์„œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋ฉด 2~3์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์ฃฝ์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€,
03:59
for two or three days intensely, and he would pack up and go.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์ง์„ ์‹ธ์„œ ๋– ๋‚ฌ์ฃ .
04:02
You know he'd be in the office till three in the morning working with us
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 3์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:06
and there was this kind of sense of the nomad in him.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ž‘์ž ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฉด์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
04:08
I mean as tragic as his death was in a railway station,
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๊ธฐ์ฐจ์—ญ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฃฝ์Œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋น„๊ทน์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์—์š”
04:14
it was so consistent with his life, you know?
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์—ฐ์†์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ , ์•Œ์ฃ ?
04:16
I mean I often think I'm going to die in a plane,
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์ €๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋‚˜ ๊ณตํ•ญ์—์„œ,
04:18
or I'm going to die in an airport,
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ํ˜น์€ ์กฐ๊น…ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”,
04:20
or die jogging without an identification on me.
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์‹ ์›ํ™•์ธ๋„ ์•ˆ ๋œ ์ฑ„ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
04:23
I don't know why I sort of carry that
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์ €๋„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์™œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
04:25
from that memory of the way he died.
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋„์ง‘์–ด๋‚ด๋ ค๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
04:28
But he was a sort of a nomad at heart.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์†๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ž‘์ž์˜€์–ด์š”.
04:33
Louis Kahn: How accidental our existences are really
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๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ์นธ: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์กด์žฌ๋Š” ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์šฐ์—ฐ์ ์ธ๊ฐ€
04:36
and how full of influence by circumstance.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ์˜ํ•ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š”๊ฐ€.
05:56
Man: We are the morning workers who come, all the time, here
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๋‚จ์ž: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์นจ์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์—์š”,
06:01
and enjoy the walking, city's beauty and the atmosphere
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๋„์‹œ์˜ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์›€๊ณผ ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ฃ .
06:05
and this is the nicest place of Bangladesh.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธด ๋ฐฉ๊ธ€๋ผ๋ฐ์‹œ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์ด์—์š”.
06:09
We are proud of it.
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์ž๋ถ€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
06:11
NK: You're proud of it?
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NK: ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ๋‚˜์š”?
06:13
Man: Yes, it is the national image of Bangladesh.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋„ค, ์—ฌ๊ธด ๋ฐฉ๊ธ€๋ผ๋ฐ์‹œ์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€์—์š”.
06:16
NK: Do you know anything about the architect?
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NK: ํ˜น์‹œ ์ด๊ณณ์˜ ์„ค๊ณ„์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
06:19
Man: Architect? I've heard about him; he's a top-ranking architect.
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Man: ์„ค๊ณ„์ž์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ (๋ถˆ๋ถ„๋ช…) ๊ฑด์ถ•๊ฐ€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:26
NK: Well actually I'm here because I'm the architect's son,
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NK: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ๊ฑด์ถ•๊ฐ€์˜ ์•„๋“ค์ด๋ผ์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™”์–ด์š”.
06:29
he was my father.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ œ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์˜ˆ์š”.
06:31
Man: Oh! Dad is Louis Farrakhan?
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๋‚จ์ž: ์˜ค! ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํŒŒ๋ผ์นธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
06:33
NK: Yeah. No not Louis Farrakhan, Louis Kahn.
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NK: ๋„ค. ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ํŒŒ๋ผ์นธ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ์นธ์ด์—์š”.
06:36
Man: Louis Kahn, yes!
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค ์นธ, ๋งž์•„์š”!
06:39
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:41
Man: Your father, is he alive?
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๋‚จ์ž: ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” ์‚ด์•„ ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
06:43
NK: No, he's been dead for 25 years.
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NK: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์‹  ์ง€ 25๋…„ ๋์–ด์š”.
06:46
Man: Very pleased to welcome you back.
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๋‚จ์ž: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ป์š”
06:49
NK: Thank you.
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NK: ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
NK: He never saw it finished, Pop.
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NK: ๊ทธ๋Š” ์™„์„ฑ๋œ ๊ฑธ ๋ชป ๋ดค์–ด์š”, ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๊ป˜์„œ์š”.
07:32
No, he never saw this.
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์ „ํ˜€ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ฃ .
07:57
Shamsul Wares: It was almost impossible, building for a country like ours.
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์ƒด์„ค ์›จ์–ด์Šค: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ์ง“๋Š” ๊ฑด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:01
In 30, 50 years back, it was nothing, only paddy fields,
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50๋…„ ์ „, ๋…ผ๋ฐญ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณค ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”,
08:05
and since we invited him here,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ดํ›„๋กœ
08:08
he felt that he has got a responsibility.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ฑ…์ž„๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์–ด์š”.
08:10
He wanted to be a Moses here, he gave us democracy.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋ชจ์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ธธ ์›ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฏผ์ฃผ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”์ฃ .
08:13
He is not a political man,
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์ •์น˜์ธ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
08:15
but in this guise he has given us
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ผ์–ด์„ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
08:17
the institution for democracy, from where we can rise.
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๋ฏผ์ฃผ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹œ์„ค์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:20
In that way it is so relevant.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:24
He didn't care for how much money this country has,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€,
08:26
or whether he would be able to ever finish this building,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ์™„์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๊ฐœ์˜์น˜ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”,
08:29
but somehow he has been able to do it, build it, here.
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์–ด์จŒ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ง€์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:32
And this is the largest project he has got in here, the poorest country in the world.
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์ด๊ฑด ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง„, ๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์—์š”.
08:37
NK: It cost him his life.
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NK: ๊ทธ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋Œ€๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์น˜๋ €์ฃ .
08:39
SW: Yeah, he paid. He paid his life for this,
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SW: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด๊ฑธ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”์ณค์ฃ ,
08:42
and that is why he is great and we'll remember him.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์—์š”.
08:46
But he was also human.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์ธ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”,
08:48
Now his failure to satisfy the family life,
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๊ฐ€์ •์ƒํ™œ์˜ ๋งŒ์กฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์‹คํŒจ๋Š”
08:53
is an inevitable association of great people.
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์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ํ•„์—ฐ์  ์—ฐ๊ด€์„ฑ์ด์—์š”.
08:56
But I think his son will understand this,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ์˜ ์•„๋“ค์€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
08:59
and will have no sense of grudge,
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์›ํ•œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฐฉ์น˜๋๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
09:01
or sense of being neglected, I think.
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๋ฐฉ์น˜๋๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
09:04
He cared in a very different manner,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์‚ดํˆ์–ด์š”
09:07
but it takes a lot of time to understand that.
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
09:09
In social aspect of his life
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์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ
09:13
he was just like a child, he was not at all matured.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์•„์ด ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”, ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ฃ .
09:15
He could not say no to anything,
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"์•ˆ๋˜์š”"๋ผ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๊ฒƒ,
09:17
and that is why, that he cannot say no to things,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚ 
09:20
we got this building today.
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์ด ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ด์œ ์—์š”.
09:23
You see, only that way you can be able to understand him.
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์˜ค์ง ๊ทธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
09:26
There is no other shortcut,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€๋ฆ„๊ธธ์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
09:29
no other way to really understand him.
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๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธธ์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
09:32
But I think he has given us this building
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ๊ณ 
09:40
and we feel all the time for him,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋Š๊ปด์š”
09:42
that's why, he has given love for us.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ„ ์ด์œ ์ฃ .
09:45
He could not probably give the right kind of love for you,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์„ ์ฃผ์ง„ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
09:48
but for us, he has given the people the right kind of love,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:51
that is important.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”.
09:53
You have to understand that.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•ด์š”.
09:55
He had an enormous amount of love,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฌดํ•œํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
09:57
he loved everybody.
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๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:59
To love everybody, he sometimes did not see
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๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋•Œ๋ก 
10:03
the very closest ones,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Œ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
10:06
and that is inevitable for men of his stature.
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๋†’์€ ์œ„์ƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒ ํ”ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
10:15
(Applause)
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