I grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church. Here's why I left | Megan Phelps-Roper

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Sigal Tifferet ืžื‘ืงืจ: Ido Dekkers
00:12
I was a blue-eyed, chubby-cheeked five-year-old
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ืœื“ื” ื‘ืช ื—ืžืฉ, ืขื ืœื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืžื ืžื ื•ืช ื•ืขื™ื ื™ื™ื ื›ื—ื•ืœื•ืช,
00:15
when I joined my family on the picket line for the first time.
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ื›ืฉื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืขื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ ืœื”ืคื’ื ื”.
00:19
My mom made me leave my dolls in the minivan.
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ืื™ืžื™ ื”ื›ืจื™ื—ื” ืื•ืชื™ ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืื•ื˜ื•.
00:22
I'd stand on a street corner in the heavy Kansas humidity,
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ืขืžื“ืชื™ ื‘ืคื™ื ืช ืจื—ื•ื‘ ื‘ืœื—ื•ืช ื”ื›ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืœ ืงื ื–ืก
00:25
surrounded by a few dozen relatives,
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ืžื•ืงืคืช ื‘ื›ืžื” ืขืฉืจื•ืช ืงืจื•ื‘ื™ ืžืฉืคื—ื”,
00:28
with my tiny fists clutching a sign that I couldn't read yet:
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ื™ื“ื™ื™ ื”ืงื˜ื ื˜ื ื•ืช ืื•ื—ื–ื•ืช ื‘ืฉืœื˜ ืฉืขื•ื“ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืœืงืจื•ื:
00:32
"Gays are worthy of death."
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"ืœื”ื•ืžื•ืื™ื ืžื’ื™ืข ืœืžื•ืช".
00:34
This was the beginning.
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ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื”ืชื—ืœื”.
00:36
Our protests soon became a daily occurrence
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ื”ื”ืคื’ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืžื”ืจื” ื”ืคื›ื• ืœืื™ืจื•ืข ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™
00:39
and an international phenomenon,
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ื•ืœืชื•ืคืขื” ื‘ื™ื ืœืื•ืžื™ืช
00:41
and as a member of Westboro Baptist Church,
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ื•ื›ื—ื‘ืจื” ื‘ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ื”ื‘ืคื˜ื™ืกื˜ื™ืช ื•ื•ืกื˜ื‘ื•ืจื•,
00:43
I became a fixture on picket lines across the country.
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ื”ืคื›ืชื™ ืœืžืฉืชืชืคืช ืงื‘ื•ืขื” ื‘ื”ืคื’ื ื•ืช ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ืืจื”"ื‘.
00:46
The end of my antigay picketing career
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ืกื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ื”ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ื”ืžื—ืืชื™ืช ืฉืœื™ ื ื’ื“ ื”ื•ืžื•ืกืงืกื•ืืœื™ื,
00:49
and life as I knew it,
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ื•ืกื•ืฃ ื—ื™ื™ ื›ืคื™ ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื,
00:50
came 20 years later,
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ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืขืฉืจื™ื ืฉื ื” ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ,
00:52
triggered in part by strangers on Twitter
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ื—ืœืงื™ืช ื‘ื–ื›ื•ืช ืื ืฉื™ื ื–ืจื™ื ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ,
00:54
who showed me the power of engaging the other.
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ืฉื”ืจืื• ืœื™ ืืช ื›ื•ื—ื• ืฉืœ ืฉื™ื— ืžืฉื•ืชืฃ.
00:59
In my home,
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ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช,
01:00
life was framed as an epic spiritual battle between good and evil.
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ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื ืชืคืกื• ื›ืžืื‘ืง ืจื•ื—ื ื™ ืื“ื™ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœืจืข.
01:04
The good was my church and its members,
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ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”ื™ื” ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื™ ื•ื—ื‘ืจื™ื”--
01:06
and the evil was everyone else.
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ื•ื”ืจืข ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืืจ.
01:09
My church's antics were such
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ืคืขื•ืœื•ืช ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื™
01:11
that we were constantly at odds with the world,
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ื’ืจืžื• ืœื›ืš ืฉืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ื’ื“ ื”ืขื•ืœื,
01:13
and that reinforced our otherness on a daily basis.
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ืžื” ืฉื—ื™ื–ืง ืืช ืชื—ื•ืฉืช ื”ื–ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™.
01:17
"Make a difference between the unclean and the clean,"
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"ื•ึผืœึฐื”ึทื‘ึฐื“ึผึดื™ืœ [...] ื‘ึตื™ืŸ ื”ึทื˜ึผึธืžึตื, ื•ึผื‘ึตื™ืŸ ื”ึทื˜ึผึธื”ื•ึนืจ",
01:20
the verse says,
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ื›ืš ื›ืชื•ื‘ ื‘ืคืกื•ืง.
01:21
and so we did.
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ื•ื›ืš ืขืฉื™ื ื•.
01:22
From baseball games to military funerals,
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ืžืžืฉื—ืงื™ ื‘ื™ื™ืกื‘ื•ืœ ื•ืขื“ ืœืœื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฆื‘ืื™ื•ืช,
01:24
we trekked across the country with neon protest signs in hand
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ื ื“ื“ื ื• ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ืืจื”"ื‘ ืขื ืฉืœื˜ื™ ื ื™ืื•ืŸ ื‘ื™ื“
01:28
to tell others exactly how "unclean" they were
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื‘ืฉืจ ืœืื—ืจื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ื”ื "ื˜ืžืื™ื",
01:31
and exactly why they were headed for damnation.
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ื•ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื“ื•ืข ื”ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืœื’ื™ื”ื™ื ื•ื.
01:35
This was the focus of our whole lives.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืจื›ื– ื—ื™ื™ื ื•.
01:38
This was the only way for me to do good in a world that sits in Satan's lap.
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ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื” ืขื‘ื•ืจื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ืขื•ืœื ื”ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘ื—ื™ืงื• ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื˜ืŸ.
01:43
And like the rest of my 10 siblings,
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ื•ื›ืžื• ืขืฉืจืช ืื—ื™ื™,
01:45
I believed what I was taught with all my heart,
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ื”ืืžื ืชื™ ื‘ืžื” ืฉืœื™ืžื“ื• ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ืœื™ื‘ื™,
01:47
and I pursued Westboro's agenda with a special sort of zeal.
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ื•ืขืกืงืชื™ ื‘ืชื•ืจืชื” ืฉืœ ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ื‘ืงื ืื•ืช ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ืช ื‘ืžื™ื ื”.
01:51
In 2009, that zeal brought me to Twitter.
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ื‘ืฉื ืช 2009, ืื•ืชื” ืงื ืื•ืช ื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœื” ืื•ืชื™ ืœื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ.
01:55
Initially, the people I encountered on the platform
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ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื”, ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื ืชืงืœืชื™ ื‘ื”ื ืฉื
01:57
were just as hostile as I expected.
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ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ื™ื ื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ืคื™ ืฉืฆื™ืคื™ืชื™ --
02:00
They were the digital version of the screaming hordes
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ื”ื’ืจืกื” ื”ื“ื™ื’ื™ื˜ืœื™ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื”ืžื•ืŸ ื”ืฆื•ืจื—
02:02
I'd been seeing at protests since I was a kid.
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ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื‘ื”ืคื’ื ื•ืช ืžืื– ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ืœื“ื”.
02:05
But in the midst of that digital brawl,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืื•ืชื” ื”ืชื ืฆื—ื•ืช ื“ื™ื’ื™ื˜ืœื™ืช,
02:07
a strange pattern developed.
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ื”ืชืคืชื— ื“ืคื•ืก ืžื•ื–ืจ:
02:10
Someone would arrive at my profile with the usual rage and scorn,
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ืื“ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื’ื™ืข ืœืคืจื•ืคื™ืœ ืฉืœื™ ืขื ื–ืขื ื•ื–ืœื–ื•ืœ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืกื™ื™ื.
02:14
I would respond with a custom mix of Bible verses, pop culture references
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ื ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ืฉื™ืœื•ื‘ ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืฉืœ ืคืกื•ืงื™ื ืžื”ืชื "ืš,
ืจืคืจื ืกื™ื ืžื”ืชืจื‘ื•ืช ื”ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ืช,
02:18
and smiley faces.
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ื•ืกืžื™ื™ืœื™ื.
02:21
They would be understandably confused and caught off guard,
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ื”ื ืžืŸ ื”ืกืชื ื”ืชื‘ืœื‘ืœื• ืœืจื’ืข --
02:25
but then a conversation would ensue.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื”ืชืคืชื—ื” ืฉื™ื—ื”.
02:27
And it was civil --
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ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื ื•ืžืกืช,
02:29
full of genuine curiosity on both sides.
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ืžืœืื” ื‘ืกืงืจื ื•ืช ืืžื™ืชื™ืช ืžืฉื ื™ ื”ืฆื“ื“ื™ื:
02:32
How had the other come to such outrageous conclusions about the world?
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ื›ื™ืฆื“ ื”ืื“ื ื”ืฉื ื™ ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืžืกืงื ื•ืช ื›"ื› ื”ื–ื•ื™ื•ืช ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื?
02:36
Sometimes the conversation even bled into real life.
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืคื™ืœื• ื–ื•ืœื’ืช ืœื—ื™ื™ื ื”ืืžื™ืชื™ื™ื:
02:39
People I'd sparred with on Twitter
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ืชื ืฆื—ืชื™ ืื™ืชื ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ
02:41
would come out to the picket line to see me
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ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืœื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื”ืคื’ื ื•ืช
02:44
when I protested in their city.
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ื›ืฉื”ืคื’ื ืชื™ ื‘ืขืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื.
02:46
A man named David was one such person.
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ืื“ื ื‘ืฉื ื“ื™ื™ื•ื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื.
02:49
He ran a blog called "Jewlicious,"
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ื”ื•ื ื ื™ื”ืœ ื‘ืœื•ื’ ื‘ืฉื JEWLICIOUS
02:52
and after several months of heated but friendly arguments online,
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ื•ืœืื—ืจ ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื•ื™ื›ื•ื—ื™ื ืžื›ื‘ื“ื™ื ืืš ื ืœื”ื˜ื™ื ื‘ืจืฉืช,
02:55
he came out to see me at a picket in New Orleans.
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ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœืฉื•ื—ื— ืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื”ืคื’ื ื” ื‘ื ื™ื• ืื•ืจืœื™ื ืก.
02:58
He brought me a Middle Eastern dessert from Jerusalem, where he lives,
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ืœื™ ืงื™ื ื•ื— ื™ื ืชื™ื›ื•ื ื™ ืžื™ืจื•ืฉืœื™ื, ืฉื ื”ื•ื ื’ืจ,
03:02
and I brought him kosher chocolate
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ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืœื• ืฉื•ืงื•ืœื“ ื›ืฉืจ
03:04
and held a "God hates Jews" sign.
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ื•ื”ื—ื–ืงืชื™ ืฉืœื˜ ืขืœื™ื• ื”ื™ื” ื›ืชื•ื‘ "ืืœื•ื”ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื".
03:06
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:08
There was no confusion about our positions,
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ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื ืกืคืง ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืขืžื“ื•ืชื™ื ื•,
03:10
but the line between friend and foe was becoming blurred.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื™ืŸ "ื—ื‘ืจ" ืœ"ืื•ื™ื‘" ื”ื—ืœ ืœื”ื™ื˜ืฉื˜ืฉ.
03:14
We'd started to see each other as human beings,
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ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืื—ื“ ืืช ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื,
03:16
and it changed the way we spoke to one another.
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ื•ื–ื” ืฉื™ื ื” ืืช ื”ื“ืจืš ืฉื‘ื” ื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™.
03:20
It took time,
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ืœืงื— ื–ืžืŸ,
03:21
but eventually these conversations planted seeds of doubt in me.
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ืืš ื”ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื–ืจื•ืข ื‘ื™ ืกืคืงื•ืช.
03:24
My friends on Twitter took the time to understand Westboro's doctrines,
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ื—ื‘ืจื™ื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืจ ื”ืงื“ื™ืฉื• ื–ืžืŸ ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื“ื•ืงื˜ืจื™ื ื•ืช ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื™,
03:28
and in doing so,
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ื•ื‘ื›ืš ืฉืžื• ืœื‘ ืœืกืชื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืคืกืคืกืชื™ ื›ืœ ื—ื™ื™.
03:29
they were able to find inconsistencies I'd missed my entire life.
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03:33
Why did we advocate the death penalty for gays
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ืžื“ื•ืข ืชืžื›ื ื• ื‘ื’ื–ืจ ื“ื™ืŸ ืžื•ื•ืช ืœื”ื•ืžื•ืื™ื,
03:36
when Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"
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ื›ืฉื™ืฉื• ืขืฆืžื• ืืžืจ "ืžึดื™ ืžึดื›ึผึถื ื ึธืงึดื™ ืžึฐื—ึตื˜ึฐื, ืฉืึถื™ึผึฐื”ึตื ื”ื•ึผื ืจึดืืฉืื•ึนืŸ ืœึฐื”ึทืฉืึฐืœึดื™ืšึฐ ืึถื‘ึถืŸ"?
03:41
How could we claim to love our neighbor
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ื›ื™ืฆื“ ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื˜ืขื•ืŸ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ืฉื›ื ื™ื ื•,
03:43
while at the same time praying for God to destroy them?
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ื•ื‘ื• ื–ืžื ื™ืช ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืžืืœื•ื”ื™ื ืœื”ืฉืžื™ื“ ืื•ืชื?
03:47
The truth is that the care shown to me by these strangers on the internet
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ื”ืืžืช ื”ื™ื ืฉื”ืื›ืคืชื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ื–ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืžื”ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜ ื”ืจืื• ืœื™
03:51
was itself a contradiction.
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ื”ื™ืชื” ืกืชื™ืจื” ืœื›ืฉืขืฆืžื” --
03:54
It was growing evidence
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ื”ื•ื›ื—ื” ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ื•ื’ื“ืœื”
03:55
that people on the other side were not the demons I'd been led to believe.
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ืœื›ืš ืฉื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืฉื˜ื ื™ื ืฉื ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื.
04:00
These realizations were life-altering.
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ื”ืชื•ื‘ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ืฉื™ื ื• ืœื™ ืืช ื”ื—ื™ื™ื.
04:03
Once I saw that we were not the ultimate arbiters of divine truth
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ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉืื™ื ื ื• ื”ืคื•ืกืงื™ื ื”ืื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ืžื˜ื™ื‘ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืืžืช ืืœื•ื”ื™ืช,
04:06
but flawed human beings,
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ืืœื ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื ืคื’ื•ืžื™ื,
04:08
I couldn't pretend otherwise.
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ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืขืžื™ื“ ืคื ื™ื ืฉื›ืŸ.
04:10
I couldn't justify our actions --
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ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืฆื“ื™ืง ืืช ื”ืžืขืฉื™ื ืฉืœื ื• --
04:12
especially our cruel practice of protesting funerals
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ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื”ืžื ื”ื’ ื”ืื›ื–ืจื™ ืฉืœื ื• ืœื”ืคื’ื™ืŸ ืžื•ืœ ืœื•ื•ื™ื•ืช
04:15
and celebrating human tragedy.
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ื•ืœื—ื’ื•ื’ ื˜ืจื’ื“ื™ื•ืช ืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช.
04:19
These shifts in my perspective
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ืื•ืชื ืฉื™ื ื•ื™ื™ื ื‘ื”ืฉืงืคืช ืขื•ืœืžื™
04:20
contributed to a larger erosion of trust in my church,
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ื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœื• ืœืฉื—ื™ืงื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืืžื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื”,
04:23
and eventually it made it impossible for me to stay.
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ื•ืœื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื’ืจืžื• ืœื›ืš ืฉืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ.
04:28
In spite of overwhelming grief and terror, I left Westboro in 2012.
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ืœืžืจื•ืช ืื‘ืœ ื•ืคื—ื“ ื ื•ืจืื™ื™ื, ืขื–ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื•ื•ืกื˜ื‘ื•ืจื• ื‘-2012.
04:34
In those days just after I left,
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ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ืฉืžื™ื“ ืœืื—ืจ ืขื–ื™ื‘ืชื™,
04:36
the instinct to hide was almost paralyzing.
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ื”ื“ื—ืฃ ืœื”ืชื—ื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžืขื˜ ืžืฉืชืง.
04:40
I wanted to hide from the judgement of my family,
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ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืชื—ื‘ื ืžื”ืฉื™ืคื•ื˜ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™,
04:42
who I knew would never speak to me again --
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ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืชื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘,
04:44
people whose thoughts and opinions had meant everything to me.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืžื—ืฉื‘ื•ืชื™ื”ื ื•ื“ืขื•ืชื™ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™.
04:48
And I wanted to hide from the world I'd rejected for so long --
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ื•ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืชื—ื‘ื ืžื”ืขื•ืœื ืฉื“ื—ื™ืชื™ ืชืงื•ืคื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืืจื•ื›ื”,
04:51
people who had no reason at all to give me a second chance
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื ืฉื•ื ืกื™ื‘ื” ืœืชืช ืœื™ ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืฉื ื™ื™ื”,
04:54
after a lifetime of antagonism.
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ืื—ืจื™ ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืžื™ื ืฉืœ ืื ื˜ื’ื•ื ื™ื–ื.
04:57
And yet, unbelievably,
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ืื‘ืœ -- ืœืžืจื‘ื” ื”ื”ืคืชืขื” --
04:59
they did.
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ื”ื ื›ืŸ.
05:00
The world had access to my past because it was all over the internet --
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ืœืขื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื™ืฉื” ืœืขื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™, ื›ื™ ืื•ืชื• ืขื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ืคื™ื ื” ื‘ืจืฉืช --
05:03
thousands of tweets and hundreds of interviews,
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ืืœืคื™ ืฆื™ื•ืฆื™ื ื•ืžืื•ืช ืจืื™ื•ื ื•ืช,
05:06
everything from local TV news to "The Howard Stern Show" --
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ืžืขืจื•ืฆื™ื ืžืงื•ืžื™ื™ื ื•ืขื“ ืœืชื•ื›ื ื™ืชื• ืฉืœ ื”ื•ื•ืืจื“ ืฉื˜ืจืŸ --
05:09
but so many embraced me with open arms anyway.
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ื” ืจื‘ื™ื ืžื”ื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื–ืจื•ืขื•ืช ืคืชื•ื—ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช.
05:13
I wrote an apology for the harm I'd caused,
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ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ื”ืชื ืฆืœื•ืช ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื ื–ืง ืฉื’ืจืžืชื™,
05:15
but I also knew that an apology could never undo any of it.
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ืื‘ืœ ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ืชื ืฆืœื•ืช ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืชื•ื›ืœ ืœืžื—ื•ืช ืืช ืžื” ืฉื ืขืฉื”.
05:19
All I could do was try to build a new life
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ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื”ื™ื” ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื—ื™ื™ื ื—ื“ืฉื™ื,
05:22
and find a way somehow to repair some of the damage.
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ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ืžื™ื˜ื‘ื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืชืงืŸ ืืช ื”ื ื–ืง.
05:26
People had every reason to doubt my sincerity,
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ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช ืฉื‘ืขื•ืœื ืœื”ื˜ื™ืœ ืกืคืง ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื™,
05:28
but most of them didn't.
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ืืš ืจื•ื‘ื ืœื ืขืฉื• ื–ืืช.
05:30
And --
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ื•--
05:32
given my history,
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ื‘ื”ืชื—ืฉื‘ ื‘ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื” ืฉืœื™,
05:33
it was more than I could've hoped for --
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืงื•ื•ืช --
05:35
forgiveness and the benefit of the doubt.
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ืžื—ื™ืœื” ื•ื™ื—ืก ืกืœื—ื ื™.
05:38
It still amazes me.
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ื–ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžื“ื”ื™ื ืื•ืชื™.
05:40
I spent my first year away from home
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ืืช ื”ืฉื ื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื—ืง ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช,
05:44
adrift with my younger sister,
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ื‘ื ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ืงื˜ื ื”,
05:46
who had chosen to leave with me.
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ืฉื‘ื—ืจื” ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืื™ืชื™.
05:48
We walked into an abyss,
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ืฆืขื“ื ื• ืœืขื‘ืจ ืชื”ื•ื,
05:50
but we were shocked to find the light and a way forward
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ืืš ื ื“ื”ืžื ื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ืื•ืจ ื•ืืช ื“ืจื›ื ื•,
05:53
in the same communities we'd targeted for so long.
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ื‘ืื•ืชืŸ ืงื”ื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ื”ืŸ ืคื’ืขื ื• ื–ืžืŸ ื›ื” ืจื‘.
05:57
David,
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ื“ื™ื™ื•ื™ื“,
05:58
my "Jewlicious" friend from Twitter,
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ื—ื‘ืจื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ,
06:00
invited us to spend time among a Jewish community in Los Angeles.
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ื”ื–ืžื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื‘ืœื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืขื ื”ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื‘ืœื•ืก-ืื ื’'ืœืก.
06:04
We slept on couches in the home of a Hasidic rabbi and his wife
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ื™ืฉื ื• ืขืœ ื”ืกืคื•ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืชื• ืฉืœ ืจื‘ ื—ืกื™ื“ื™ ื•ืืฉืชื•
06:07
and their four kids --
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ื•ืืจื‘ืขืช ื™ืœื“ื™ื”ื --
06:09
the same rabbi that I'd protested three years earlier
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ืื•ืชื• ืจื‘ื™ ืฉื”ืคื’ื ืชื™ ื ื’ื“ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืงื•ื“ื ืœื›ืŸ,
06:12
with a sign that said, "Your rabbi is a whore."
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ืขื ื”ืฉืœื˜ "ื”ืจื‘ื™ ืฉืœื›ื ื–ื•ื ื”."
06:16
We spent long hours talking about theology and Judaism and life
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ื‘ื™ืœื™ื ื• ืฉืขื•ืช ืืจื•ื›ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ืขืœ ืชื™ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”, ื™ื”ื“ื•ืช ื•ื”ื—ื™ื™ื,
06:20
while we washed dishes in their kosher kitchen
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ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืฉื˜ืคื ื• ื›ืœื™ื ื‘ืžื˜ื‘ื— ื”ื›ืฉืจ ืฉืœื”ื,
06:22
and chopped vegetables for dinner.
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ื•ื—ืชื›ื ื• ื™ืจืงื•ืช ืœืืจื•ื—ืช ื”ืขืจื‘.
06:25
They treated us like family.
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ื”ื ื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืกื• ืืœื™ื ื• ื›ืžื• ืœืžืฉืคื—ื”.
06:27
They held nothing against us,
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ื”ื ืœื ื ื˜ืจื• ืœื ื• ื˜ื™ื ื”,
06:29
and again I was astonished.
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ื•ืฉื•ื‘ ื ื“ื”ืžืชื™.
06:32
That period was full of turmoil,
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ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ืกื•ืขืจืช,
06:34
but one part I've returned to often
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ืื‘ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ืืœื™ื• ืœืขื™ืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช,
06:36
is a surprising realization I had during that time --
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื ื” ืžืคืชื™ืขื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืื– --
06:40
that it was a relief and a privilege to let go of the harsh judgments
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ืฉื–ื• ื”ืงืœื” ื•ื–ื›ื•ืช ืœื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจ ืžื”ืฉื™ืคื•ื˜ื™ื ื”ืžื—ืžื™ืจื™ื
06:44
that instinctively ran through my mind about nearly every person I saw.
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ืฉืื™ื ืกื˜ื™ื ืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช ืจืฆื• ื‘ืžื•ื—ื™ ื›ืžืขื˜ ืขืœ ื›ืœ ืื“ื ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™.
06:49
I realized that now I needed to learn.
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ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืœืžื•ื“.
06:52
I needed to listen.
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ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ืงืฉื™ื‘.
06:55
This has been at the front of my mind lately,
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ื–ื” ืžืขืกื™ืง ืื•ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืœืื—ืจื•ื ื”,
06:57
because I can't help but see in our public discourse
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ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ื‘ืฉื™ื— ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ืฉืœื ื•
07:00
so many of the same destructive impulses that ruled my former church.
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ืืช ืื•ืชื ื“ื—ืคื™ื ื”ืจืกื ื™ื™ื ืฉืฉืœื˜ื• ื‘ื›ื ืกื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืžืช.
07:05
We celebrate tolerance and diversity more than at any other time in memory,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ื’ื’ื™ื ื›ื™ื•ื ืกื•ื‘ืœื ื•ืช ื•ื’ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื›ืœ ืชืงื•ืคื” ืื—ืจืช,
07:09
and still we grow more and more divided.
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ื•ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืื ื• ื ื”ื™ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื•ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืคื•ืœื’ื™ื.
07:12
We want good things --
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื --
07:14
justice, equality, freedom, dignity, prosperity --
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ืฆื“ืง, ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ, ื—ื•ืคืฉ, ื›ื‘ื•ื“, ืฉื’ืฉื•ื’ --
07:17
but the path we've chosen
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ืืš ื”ื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ื‘ื—ืจื ื•
07:19
looks so much like the one I walked away from four years ago.
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ื“ื•ืžื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœื–ื• ืžืžื ื” ื”ืชืจื—ืงืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื.
07:23
We've broken the world into us and them,
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ืฉื‘ืจื ื• ืืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ืœ'ืื ื—ื ื•' ื•'ื”ื',
07:26
only emerging from our bunkers long enough
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ื•ืื ื• ืžื’ื™ื—ื™ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื‘ื•ื ืงืจื™ื ืฉืœื ื•
07:28
to lob rhetorical grenades at the other camp.
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ืจืง ื›ื“ื™ ืœื–ืจื•ืง ืจื™ืžื•ื ื™ ืžืœืœ ืขืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื” ื”ืฉื ื™.
07:31
We write off half the country as out-of-touch liberal elites
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืคื•ืกืœื™ื ื—ืฆื™ ืžื“ื™ื ื” ื›ืืœื™ื˜ื™ืกื˜ื™ื ืœื™ื‘ืจืœื™ื ืžื ื•ืชืงื™ื,
07:35
or racist misogynist bullies.
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ืื• ื›ื‘ืจื™ื•ื ื™ื ื’ื–ืขื ื™ื™ื ื•ืฉื•ื ืื™ ื ืฉื™ื.
07:38
No nuance, no complexity, no humanity.
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ืœืœื ื ื™ื•ืื ืกื™ื, ืžื•ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ืื• ืื ื•ืฉื™ื•ืช.
07:42
Even when someone does call for empathy and understanding for the other side,
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื›ืŸ ืงื•ืจื ืœืืžืคืชื™ื” ื•ื”ื‘ื ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™,
07:46
the conversation nearly always devolves
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ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ื›ืžืขื˜ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื•ืคื›ืช
07:48
into a debate about who deserves more empathy.
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ืœื•ื™ื›ื•ื— ืขืœ ืžื™ ืจืื•ื™ ืœื™ื•ืชืจ ืืžืคืชื™ื”.
07:51
And just as I learned to do,
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ื•ื›ืคื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช,
07:53
we routinely refuse to acknowledge the flaws in our positions
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืกืจื‘ื™ื ืœื”ื›ื™ืจ ื‘ืคื’ืžื™ื ื‘ืขืžื“ื•ืชื™ื ื•
07:56
or the merits in our opponent's.
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ืื• ื‘ืขืจืš ืฉืœ ืขืžื“ืช ืžืชื ื’ื“ื™ื ื•.
07:59
Compromise is anathema.
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ืคืฉืจื” ื”ื™ื ืœื ืื•ืคืฆื™ื”.
08:01
We even target people on our own side when they dare to question the party line.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืืคื™ืœื• ืชื•ืงืคื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืฆื“ ืฉืœื ื• ื›ืฉื”ื ืžืขื–ื™ื ืœื”ื˜ื™ืœ ืกืคืง ื‘ื“ืขื” ื”ืฉืœื˜ืช.
08:06
This path has brought us cruel, sniping, deepening polarization,
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ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื–ื• ื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœื” ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืงื™ื˜ื•ื‘ ืื›ื–ืจื™ ื”ื”ื•ืœืš ื•ืžืขืžื™ืง,
08:11
and even outbreaks of violence.
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ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื”ืชืคืจืฆื•ื™ื•ืช ืืœื™ืžื•ืช.
08:13
I remember this path.
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ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืืช ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื–ื•.
08:15
It will not take us where we want to go.
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ื”ื™ื ืœื ืชื•ื‘ื™ืœ ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืžืงื•ื ืืœื™ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ื’ื™ืข.
08:18
What gives me hope is that we can do something about this.
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ืžื” ืฉื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืชืงื•ื•ื” ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ืฉ ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
08:22
The good news is that it's simple,
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ื”ื—ื“ืฉื•ืช ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื”ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜,
08:24
and the bad news is that it's hard.
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ื•ื”ื—ื“ืฉื•ืช ื”ืจืขื•ืช ื”ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ืงืฉื”.
08:27
We have to talk and listen to people we disagree with.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ื•ืœื”ืงืฉื™ื‘ ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืขืžื ืื ื• ืœื ืžืกื›ื™ืžื™ื.
08:31
It's hard because we often can't fathom
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ื–ื” ืงืฉื” ื›ื™ ื‘ื“ืจืš-ื›ืœืœ ืื™ื ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืชืคื•ืก
08:33
how the other side came to their positions.
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ืื™ืš ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืขืžื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื•.
08:36
It's hard because righteous indignation,
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ื–ื” ืงืฉื” ื›ื™ ื”ืชืžืจืžืจื•ืช ืฆื“ืงื ื™ืช,
08:39
that sense of certainty that ours is the right side,
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ืื•ืชื” ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ื•ื“ืื•ืช ืฉื”ืฆื“ ืฉืœื ื• ืฆื•ื“ืง,
08:42
is so seductive.
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ืžืื•ื“ ืžืคืชื”.
08:44
It's hard because it means extending empathy and compassion
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ื–ื” ืงืฉื” ื›ื™ ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื”ืจื—ื™ื‘ ืืช ื”ืืžืคืชื™ื” ื•ื”ื—ืžืœื” ืฉืœื ื•
08:48
to people who show us hostility and contempt.
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ืืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืžืคื’ื™ื ื™ื ื›ืœืคื™ื ื• ืขื•ื™ื ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื•ื–.
08:51
The impulse to respond in kind is so tempting,
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ื”ื“ื—ืฃ ืœื”ื’ื™ื‘ ื‘ื”ืชืื, ืžืคืชื” ืžืื•ื“,
08:55
but that isn't who we want to be.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืžื™ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช.
08:57
We can resist.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืชื ื’ื“.
08:58
And I will always be inspired to do so by those people I encountered on Twitter,
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ื•ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ืขื•ืจืจื• ื‘ื™ ื”ืฉืจืื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช,
09:03
apparent enemies who became my beloved friends.
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ืฉื”ื™ื• ืื•ื™ื‘ื™ ื”ื‘ืจื•ืจื™ื ื•ื”ืคื›ื• ืœื™ื“ื™ื“ื™ ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื™ื.
09:07
And in the case of one particularly understanding and generous guy,
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ื•ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ืื—ื“, ื ื“ื™ื‘ ื•ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“,
09:10
my husband.
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ื‘ืขืœื™.
09:12
There was nothing special about the way I responded to him.
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ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ื”ื’ื‘ืชื™ ื›ืœืคื™ื•.
09:16
What was special was their approach.
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ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ื’ื™ืฉื” ืฉืœื”ื.
09:19
I thought about it a lot over the past few years
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ืจื‘ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื•ืช,
09:22
and I found four things they did differently
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ื•ื–ื™ื”ื™ืชื™ ืืจื‘ืขื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื ืขืฉื• ืื—ืจืช
09:25
that made real conversation possible.
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ืฉืืคืฉืจื• ืฉื™ื—ื” ืืžื™ืชื™ืช.
09:28
These four steps were small but powerful,
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ืืœื” ืืจื‘ืขื” ืฆืขื“ื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื ืืš ื—ื–ืงื™ื,
09:31
and I do everything I can to employ them in difficult conversations today.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ื›ืžื™ื˜ื‘ ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื™ื™ืฉื ืื•ืชื ื‘ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ืงืฉื•ืช ื›ื™ื•ื.
09:36
The first is don't assume bad intent.
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ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืœื”ื ื™ื— ื›ื•ื•ื ื” ืจืขื”.
09:40
My friends on Twitter realized
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ื—ื‘ืจื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื•
09:41
that even when my words were aggressive and offensive,
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ืฉืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืžื™ืœื•ืชื™ ืชื•ืงืคื ื™ื•ืช ื•ืคื•ื’ืขื ื™ื•ืช,
09:44
I sincerely believed I was doing the right thing.
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ืื ื™ ื”ืืžื ืชื™ ื‘ืœื‘ ืฉืœื ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
09:47
Assuming ill motives almost instantly cuts us off
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ืื ืžื ื™ื—ื™ื ื›ื•ื•ื ื•ืช ืจืขื•ืช, ืื™ืŸ ืกื™ื›ื•ื™ ืฉื ืฆืœื™ื—
09:50
from truly understanding why someone does and believes as they do.
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ื‘ืืžืช ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืœืžื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืคื•ืขืœ ื•ืžืืžื™ืŸ ื‘ื“ืจืš ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžืช.
09:54
We forget that they're a human being
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ื›ื—ื™ื ืฉื”ื ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื
09:56
with a lifetime of experience that shaped their mind,
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ืฉืขื•ืฆื‘ื• ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืžื™ื,
09:59
and we get stuck on that first wave of anger,
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืชืงืขื™ื ื‘ื’ืœ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ื›ืขืก,
10:02
and the conversation has a very hard time ever moving beyond it.
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ื•ืงืฉื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœืงื“ื ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœื•.
10:06
But when we assume good or neutral intent,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื ื™ื—ื™ื ื›ื•ื•ื ื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ืื• ื‘ืœืชื™-ืžื–ื™ืงื”,
10:09
we give our minds a much stronger framework for dialogue.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืืคืฉืจื™ื ืžืกื’ืจืช ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ื–ืงื” ืœืฉื™ื—ื”.
10:13
The second is ask questions.
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ื”ืฆืขื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื”ื•ื ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืฉืืœื•ืช.
10:17
When we engage people across ideological divides,
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ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืคื•ื’ืฉื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ืžื”ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืชืจืก ื”ืื™ื“ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™,
10:20
asking questions helps us map the disconnect
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ืฉืืœื•ืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื ื• ืœืžืคื•ืช ืืช ื”ืคืขืจื™ื
10:22
between our differing points of view.
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ื‘ื™ืŸ ื–ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ืจืื™ื™ื” ื”ืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•.
10:25
That's important because we can't present effective arguments
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ื–ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฆื™ื’ ื˜ื™ืขื•ื ื™ื ื™ืขื™ืœื™ื,
10:27
if we don't understand where the other side is actually coming from
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ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืžื’ื™ืข,
10:32
and because it gives them an opportunity to point out flaws in our positions.
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ื•ื’ื ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื”ื ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืœื”ืฆื‘ื™ืข ืขืœ ืœื™ืงื•ื™ื™ื ื‘ืขืžื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•.
10:36
But asking questions serves another purpose;
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ืฉืืœืช ืฉืืœื•ืช ืžืฉืจืชืช ืžื˜ืจื” ื ื•ืกืคืช:
10:39
it signals to someone that they're being heard.
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ื”ื™ื ืžืกืžื ืช ืœืื“ื ืฉืื ื• ืžืงืฉื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื•.
10:42
When my friends on Twitter stopped accusing
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ื›ืฉื—ื‘ืจื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื”ืคืกื™ืงื• ืœื”ืืฉื™ื,
10:44
and started asking questions,
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ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืฉืืœื•ืช,
10:46
I almost automatically mirrored them.
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ื—ื™ืงื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื, ื›ืžืขื˜ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™.
10:49
Their questions gave me room to speak,
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ื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ,
10:51
but they also gave me permission to ask them questions
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ื’ื ืจืฉื•ืช ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืื•ืชื ืฉืืœื•ืช,
10:54
and to truly hear their responses.
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ื•ืœื”ืงืฉื™ื‘ ื‘ืืžืช ืœืชืฉื•ื‘ื•ืชื™ื”ื.
10:57
It fundamentally changed the dynamic of our conversation.
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ื–ื” ืฉื™ื ื” ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžื”ื•ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื“ื™ื ืžื™ืงื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื™ื—ื” ืฉืœื ื•.
11:02
The third is stay calm.
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ ื”ื•ื ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืจื’ื•ืขื™ื.
11:04
This takes practice and patience,
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ื–ื” ื“ื•ืจืฉ ื ื™ืกื™ื•ืŸ ื•ืกื‘ืœื ื•ืช,
11:06
but it's powerful.
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ืื‘ืœ ื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ืขื•ืฆืžื”.
11:08
At Westboro, I learned not to care how my manner of speaking affected others.
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ื‘ื•ื•ืกื˜ื‘ื•ืจื•, ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืœื ืœื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืก ืœื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ืกื’ื ื•ืŸ ื”ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืžืฉืคื™ืข ืขืœ ืื—ืจื™ื.
11:12
I thought my rightness justified my rudeness --
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืฆื“ืงืช ื“ืจื›ื™ ื”ืฆื“ื™ืงื” ืืช ื’ืกื•ืช ื”ืจื•ื— ืฉืœื™ --
11:15
harsh tones, raised voices, insults, interruptions --
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ื˜ื•ื ื™ื ื—ืจื™ืคื™ื, ืงื•ืœื•ืช ืžื•ืจืžื™ื, ืขืœื‘ื•ื ื•ืช, ื”ืคืจืขื•ืช --
11:19
but that strategy is ultimately counterproductive.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ืืกื˜ืจื˜ื’ื™ื” ื”ื–ื• ืื™ื ื” ืคืจื•ื“ื•ืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช, ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ.
11:22
Dialing up the volume and the snark is natural in stressful situations,
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ื‘ืžืฆื‘ื™ ืœื—ืฅ, ื˜ื‘ืขื™ ืœื”ื’ื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืงื•ืœ ื•ืœื”ืขื™ืจ ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืžืจื•ืฉืขื•ืช,
11:26
but it tends to bring the conversation to an unsatisfactory, explosive end.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื’ื•ืจื ืœืฉื™ื—ื” ืœื”ืกืชื™ื™ื ื‘ืคื™ืฆื•ืฅ ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžืกืคืง.
11:32
When my husband was still just an anonymous Twitter acquaintance,
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ื›ืฉื‘ืขืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžื›ืจ ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™,
11:35
our discussions frequently became hard and pointed,
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ื”ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ืœืขื™ืชื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช ื”ืคื›ื• ืงืฉื•ืช ื•ื—ืจื™ืคื•ืช,
11:38
but we always refused to escalate.
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ืื‘ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ืกื™ืจื‘ื ื• ืœืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ืŸ ืœื”ืกืœื™ื.
11:41
Instead, he would change the subject.
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ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื–ืืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ืœื™ืฃ ืืช ื”ื ื•ืฉื.
11:43
He would tell a joke or recommend a book
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืคืจ ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื”, ืื• ืžืžืœื™ืฅ ืขืœ ืกืคืจ,
11:45
or gently excuse himself from the conversation.
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ืื• ื ืคืจื“ ื‘ืขื“ื™ื ื•ืช ืžื”ืฉื™ื—ื”.
11:49
We knew the discussion wasn't over,
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ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื”ื“ื™ื•ืŸ ืœื ื”ืกืชื™ื™ื,
11:51
just paused for a time to bring us back to an even keel.
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ืจืง ื ืขืฆืจ ืœื–ืžืŸ ืžื”, ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืื™ื–ื•ืŸ.
11:55
People often lament that digital communication makes us less civil,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžืชืœื•ื ื ื™ื ืฉื”ืชืงืฉื•ืจืช ื”ื“ื™ื’ื™ื˜ืœื™ืช ื”ื•ืคื›ืช ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืคื—ื•ืช ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ื™ื,
11:58
but this is one advantage that online conversations have over in-person ones.
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ืื‘ืœ ื™ืฉ ื™ืชืจื•ืŸ ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ื‘ืจืฉืช.
12:03
We have a buffer of time and space
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ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื—ื•ืฆืฅ ืฉืœ ื–ืžืŸ ื•ืžืจื—ื‘
12:06
between us and the people whose ideas we find so frustrating.
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ื‘ื™ื ื™ื ื• ืœื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืžืขืฆื‘ื ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื•.
12:10
We can use that buffer.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื—ื•ืฆืฅ ื”ื–ื”.
12:12
Instead of lashing out, we can pause, breathe,
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ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื”ืชืคืจืฅ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฆื•ืจ, ืœื ืฉื•ื,
12:15
change the subject or walk away,
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ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ื ื•ืฉื, ืื• ืœื”ืชืจื—ืง,
12:18
and then come back to it when we're ready.
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ื•ืื– ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื•ื›ื ื™ื.
12:22
And finally ...
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ื•ืœื‘ืกื•ืฃ...
12:24
make the argument.
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ืœื˜ืขื•ืŸ ืืช ื”ื˜ื™ืขื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•.
12:27
This might seem obvious,
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ื–ื” ื ืจืื” ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืจื•ืจ,
12:29
but one side effect of having strong beliefs
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ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืช ืžืชื•ืคืขื•ืช ื”ืœื•ื•ืื™ ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื–ืงื” ื‘ืืžื•ื ื•ืช ื—ื–ืงื•ืช,
12:31
is that we sometimes assume
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ื”ื™ื ืฉืœืคืขืžื™ื ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื ื™ื—ื™ื
12:33
that the value of our position is or should be obvious and self-evident,
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ืฉื”ืขืจืš ืฉืœ ื”ืขืžื“ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื•ื ื‘ืจื•ืจ ืœื›ื•ืœื,
12:38
that we shouldn't have to defend our positions
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ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื’ืŸ ืขืœ ืขืžื“ื•ืชื™ื ื•
12:40
because they're so clearly right and good
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ื›ื™ ื”ืŸ ื‘ื‘ื™ืจื•ืจ ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื ื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื•ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช,
12:43
that if someone doesn't get it, it's their problem --
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ื›ืš ืฉืื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืœื ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชืŸ, ื–ื• ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ืฉืœื• --
12:46
that it's not my job to educate them.
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ื–ื” ืœื ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ ืฉืœื™ ืœื—ื ืš ืื•ืชื.
12:49
But if it were that simple,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืคืฉื•ื˜,
12:50
we would all see things the same way.
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ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืจื•ืื™ื ืืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฆื•ืจื”.
12:53
As kind as my friends on Twitter were,
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ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื—ื‘ืจื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื”ื™ื• ืœื‘ื‘ื™ื™ื,
12:55
if they hadn't actually made their arguments,
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ืื ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื˜ื•ืขื ื™ื ืืช ื”ื˜ืขื ื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื,
12:58
it would've been so much harder for me to see the world in a different way.
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ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืงืฉื” ื‘ื”ืจื‘ื” ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืื—ืจืช.
13:02
We are all a product of our upbringing,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืชื•ืฆืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืฉืœื ื•,
13:05
and our beliefs reflect our experiences.
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ื•ื”ืืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ืžืฉืงืคื•ืช ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•.
13:08
We can't expect others to spontaneously change their own minds.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืฆืคื•ืช ืžืื—ืจื™ื ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืืช ื“ืขืชื ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืกืคื•ื ื˜ื ื™.
13:12
If we want change,
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ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืฉื™ื ื•ื™,
13:13
we have to make the case for it.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฉื›ื ืข ื‘ื›ืš.
13:16
My friends on Twitter didn't abandon their beliefs or their principles --
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ื—ื‘ืจื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืœื ื ื˜ืฉื• ืืช ืืžื•ื ื•ืชื™ื”ื ืื• ืขืงืจื•ื ื•ืชื™ื”ื --
13:21
only their scorn.
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ืจืง ืืช ืœืขื’ื.
13:23
They channeled their infinitely justifiable offense
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ื”ื ืชื™ืขืœื• ืืช ื”ืžืชืงืคื” ื”ืžื•ืฆื“ืงืช ืขื“ ืื™ืŸ ืงืฅ,
13:26
and came to me with pointed questions tempered with kindness and humor.
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ื•ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืืœื™ ืขื ืฉืืœื•ืช ืžืžื•ืงื“ื•ืช ืฉืจื•ื›ื›ื• ื‘ื—ื‘ื™ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื”ื•ืžื•ืจ.
13:31
They approached me as a human being,
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ื”ื ื ื™ื’ืฉื• ืืœื™ ื›ื‘ืŸ ืื“ื,
13:33
and that was more transformative
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ื•ื–ื” ืฉื™ื ื” ืื•ืชื™
13:35
than two full decades of outrage, disdain and violence.
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉื ื™ ืขืฉื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื–ืขื, ื‘ื•ื– ื•ืืœื™ืžื•ืช.
13:40
I know that some might not have the time or the energy or the patience
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ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉืœื—ืœืง ืื™ืŸ ื–ืžืŸ, ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ืื• ืกื‘ืœื ื•ืช
13:44
for extensive engagement,
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ืœืžืคื’ืฉ ืžืขืžื™ืง,
13:45
but as difficult as it can be,
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ืื‘ืœ ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืงืฉื” ืžืื•ื“,
13:47
reaching out to someone we disagree with
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ื”ื•ืฉื˜ืช ื”ื™ื“ ืœืื“ื ืขื™ืžื• ืื™ื ื ื• ืžืกื›ื™ืžื™ื
13:50
is an option that is available to all of us.
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ื”ื™ื ืื•ืคืฆื™ื” ื”ืงื™ื™ืžืช ืœื›ื•ืœื ื•.
13:53
And I sincerely believe that we can do hard things,
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืืžื™ื ื”, ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช, ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืงืฉื™ื,
13:56
not just for them but for us and our future.
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ืœื ืจืง ืขื‘ื•ืจื, ืืœื ืขื‘ื•ืจื ื• ื•ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืขืชื™ื“ื ื•.
14:00
Escalating disgust and intractable conflict
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ื“ื—ื™ื™ื” ื’ื•ื‘ืจืช ื•ืงื•ื ืคืœื™ืงื˜ื™ื ืœืœื ืคืชืจื•ืŸ,
14:02
are not what we want for ourselves,
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ืื™ื ื ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื™ื™ื—ืœื™ื ืœื• ืขื‘ื•ืจื ื•,
14:04
or our country
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ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืžื“ื™ื ืชื ื•,
14:06
or our next generation.
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ืื• ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื”ื“ื•ืจ ื”ื‘ื ืฉืœื ื•.
14:09
My mom said something to me a few weeks before I left Westboro,
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ืื™ืžื™ ืืžืจื” ืœื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืœืคื ื™ ืฉืขื–ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื•ื•ืกื˜ื‘ื•ืจื•,
14:13
when I was desperately hoping
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ื›ืฉืงื™ื•ื•ื™ืชื™ ื ื•ืืฉื•ืช
14:15
there was a way I could stay with my family.
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ืฉื™ืฉื ื” ื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ืื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืขื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™.
14:18
People I have loved with every pulse of my heart
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืื”ื‘ืชื™ ืขื ื›ืœ ืคืขื™ืžื” ืฉืœ ืœื™ื‘ื™,
14:21
since even before I was that chubby-cheeked five-year-old,
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ืขื•ื“ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ื™ืœื“ื” ื‘ืช ื—ืžืฉ ืขื ื”ืœื—ื™ื™ื ื”ืฉืžื ืžื ื•ืช,
14:24
standing on a picket line holding a sign I couldn't read.
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ื”ืขื•ืžื“ืช ื‘ื”ืคื’ื ื” ื•ืžื—ื–ื™ืงื” ืฉืœื˜ ืฉืื™ื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืงืจื•ื.
14:27
She said, "You're just a human being,
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ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”, "ืืช ืจืง ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื,
14:30
my dear, sweet child."
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ื™ืงื™ืจืชื™, ื™ืœื“ื” ืžืชื•ืงื”."
14:33
She was asking me to be humble --
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ื”ื™ื ื‘ื™ืงืฉื” ืžืžื ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฆื ื•ืขื” --
14:35
not to question but to trust God and my elders.
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ืœื ืœืคืงืคืง ืืœื ืœื”ืืžื™ืŸ ื‘ืืœื•ื”ื™ื ื•ื‘ื–ืงื ื™ ื”ืขื“ื”.
14:39
But to me, she was missing the bigger picture --
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™, ื”ื™ื ืคืกืคืกื” ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ื”ืจื—ื‘ื” --
14:43
that we're all just human beings.
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ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ืจืง ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื.
14:45
That we should be guided by that most basic fact,
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ืฉืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ื ื—ื•ืช ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ื”ื‘ืกื™ืกื™ืช ื”ื–ื•,
14:48
and approach one another with generosity and compassion.
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ื•ืฉืื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื’ืฉืช ื–ื” ืœื–ื” ื‘ื ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื—ืžืœื”.
14:52
Each one of us contributes to the communities
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ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืชื•ืจื ืœืงื”ื™ืœื•ืช
14:54
and the cultures and the societies that we make up.
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ื•ืœืชืจื‘ื•ื™ื•ืช ื•ืœื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืฉืื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื.
14:57
The end of this spiral of rage and blame begins with one person
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ืกื™ื•ืžื• ืฉืœ ืžืขื’ืœ ื”ื–ืขื ื•ื”ื”ืืฉืžื”, ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ืื“ื ืื—ื“
15:02
who refuses to indulge these destructive, seductive impulses.
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ื”ืžืกืจื‘ ืœื”ืชืขื ื’ ืขืœ ื”ื“ื—ืคื™ื ื”ื”ืจืกื ื™ื™ื ื•ื”ืžื•ืฉื›ื™ื ื”ืœืœื•.
15:07
We just have to decide that it's going to start with us.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืจืง ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืฉื–ื” ื™ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ื ื•.
15:10
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื”.
15:12
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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