Karima Bennoune: The side of terrorism that doesn't make headlines

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Could I protect my father
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from the Armed Islamic Group with a paring knife?
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That was the question I faced
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one Tuesday morning in June of 1993,
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when I was a law student.
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I woke up early that morning
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in Dad's apartment
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on the outskirts of Algiers, Algeria,
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to an unrelenting pounding on the front door.
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It was a season as described by a local paper
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when every Tuesday a scholar fell
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to the bullets of fundamentalist assassins.
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My father's university teaching of Darwin
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had already provoked a classroom visit
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from the head of the so-called Islamic Salvation Front,
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who denounced Dad as an advocate of biologism
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before Dad had ejected the man,
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and now whoever was outside
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would neither identify himself nor go away.
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So my father tried to get the police on the phone,
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but perhaps terrified by the rising tide
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of armed extremism that had already claimed
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the lives of so many Algerian officers,
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they didn't even answer.
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And that was when I went to the kitchen,
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got out a paring knife,
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and took up a position inside the entryway.
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It was a ridiculous thing to do, really,
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but I couldn't think of anything else,
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and so there I stood.
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When I look back now, I think that that was the moment
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that set me on the path was to writing a book
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called "Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here:
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Untold Stories from the Fight Against Muslim Fundamentalism."
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The title comes from a Pakistani play.
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I think it was actually that moment
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that sent me on the journey
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to interview 300 people of Muslim heritage
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from nearly 30 countries,
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from Afghanistan to Mali,
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to find out how they fought fundamentalism
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peacefully like my father did,
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and how they coped with the attendant risks.
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Luckily, back in June of 1993,
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our unidentified visitor went away,
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but other families were so much less lucky,
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and that was the thought that motivated my research.
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In any case, someone would return
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a few months later and leave a note
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on Dad's kitchen table,
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which simply said, "Consider yourself dead."
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Subsequently, Algeria's fundamentalist armed groups
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would murder as many as 200,000 civilians
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in what came to be known
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as the dark decade of the 1990s,
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including every single one
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of the women that you see here.
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In its harsh counterterrorist response,
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the state resorted to torture
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and to forced disappearances,
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and as terrible as all of these events became,
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the international community largely ignored them.
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Finally, my father, an Algerian peasant's son turned professor,
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was forced to stop teaching at the university
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and to flee his apartment,
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but what I will never forget
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about Mahfoud Bennoune, my dad,
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was that like so many other Algerian intellectuals,
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he refused to leave the country
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and he continued to publish pointed criticisms,
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both of the fundamentalists
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and sometimes of the government they battled.
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For example, in a November 1994 series
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in the newspaper El Watan
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entitled "How Fundamentalism
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Produced a Terrorism without Precedent,"
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he denounced what he called
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the terrorists' radical break with the true Islam
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as it was lived by our ancestors.
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These were words that could get you killed.
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My father's country taught me
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in that dark decade of the 1990s that
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the popular struggle against Muslim fundamentalism
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is one of the most important
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and overlooked human rights struggles
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in the world.
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This remains true today, nearly 20 years later.
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You see, in every country
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where you hear about armed jihadis
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targeting civilians,
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there are also unarmed people
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defying those militants that you don't hear about,
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and those people need our support to succeed.
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In the West, it's often assumed
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that Muslims generally condone terrorism.
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Some on the right think this because they view
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Muslim culture as inherently violent,
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and some on the left imagine this
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because they view Muslim violence,
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fundamentalist violence,
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solely as a product of legitimate grievances.
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But both views are dead wrong.
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In fact, many people of Muslim heritage
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around the world are staunch opponents
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both of fundamentalism and of terrorism,
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and often for very good reason.
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You see, they're much more likely to be victims
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of this violence than its perpetrators.
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Let me just give you one example.
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According to a 2009 survey
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of Arabic language media resources,
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between 2004 and 2008,
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no more than 15 percent of al Qaeda's victims
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were Westerners.
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That's a terrible toll, but the vast majority
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were people of Muslim heritage,
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killed by Muslim fundamentalists.
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Now I've been talking for the last five minutes
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about fundamentalism, and you have a right to know
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exactly what I mean.
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I cite the definition given by the Algerian sociologist
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Marieme Helie Lucas,
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and she says that fundamentalisms,
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note the "s," so within all of the world's
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great religious traditions,
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"fundamentalisms are political movements of the extreme right
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which in a context of globalization
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manipulate religion in order to achieve
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their political aims."
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Sadia Abbas has called this the radical politicization
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of theology.
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Now I want to avoid projecting the notion
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that there's sort of a monolith out there
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called Muslim fundamentalism that is the same everywhere,
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because these movements also have their diversities.
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Some use and advocate violence.
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Some do not, though they're often interrelated.
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They take different forms.
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Some may be non-governmental organizations,
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even here in Britain like Cageprisoners.
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Some may become political parties,
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like the Muslim Brotherhood,
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and some may be openly armed groups
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like the Taliban.
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But in any case, these are all radical projects.
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They're not conservative or traditional approaches.
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They're most often about changing people's relationship with Islam
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rather than preserving it.
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What I am talking about is the Muslim extreme right,
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and the fact that its adherents are
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or purport to be Muslim
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makes them no less offensive
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than the extreme right anywhere else.
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So in my view, if we consider ourselves
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liberal or left-wing,
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human rights-loving or feminist,
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we must oppose these movements
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and support their grassroots opponents.
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Now let me be clear
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that I support an effective struggle
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against fundamentalism,
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but also a struggle that must itself
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respect international law,
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so nothing I am saying should be taken
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as a justification for refusals
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to democratize,
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and here I send out a shout-out of support
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to the pro-democracy movement in Algeria today, Barakat.
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Nor should anything I say be taken
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as a justification of violations of human rights,
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like the mass death sentences
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handed out in Egypt earlier this week.
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But what I am saying
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is that we must challenge these Muslim fundamentalist movements
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because they threaten human rights
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across Muslim-majority contexts,
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and they do this in a range of ways,
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most obviously with the direct attacks on civilians
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by the armed groups that carry those out.
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But that violence is just the tip of the iceberg.
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These movements as a whole purvey discrimination
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against religious minorities and sexual minorities.
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They seek to curtail the freedom of religion
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of everyone who either practices in a different way
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or chooses not to practice.
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And most definingly, they lead an all-out war
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on the rights of women.
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Now, faced with these movements
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in recent years, Western discourse
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has most often offered
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two flawed responses.
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The first that one sometimes finds on the right
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suggests that most Muslims are fundamentalist
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or something about Islam is inherently fundamentalist,
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and this is just offensive and wrong,
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but unfortunately on the left one sometimes encounters
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a discourse that is too politically correct
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to acknowledge the problem of Muslim fundamentalism at all
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or, even worse, apologizes for it,
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and this is unacceptable as well.
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So what I'm seeking is a new way
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of talking about this all together,
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which is grounded in the lived experiences
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and the hope of the people on the front lines.
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I'm painfully aware that there has been
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an increase in discrimination against Muslims in recent years
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in countries like the U.K. and the U.S.,
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and that too is a matter of grave concern,
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but I firmly believe
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that telling these counter-stereotypical stories
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of people of Muslim heritage
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who have confronted the fundamentalists
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and been their primary victims
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is also a great way of countering that discrimination.
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So now let me introduce you
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to four people whose stories
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I had the great honor of telling.
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Faizan Peerzada and the Rafi Peer Theatre
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workshop named for his father
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have for years promoted the performing arts
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in Pakistan.
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With the rise of jihadist violence,
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they began to receive threats
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to call off their events, which they refused to heed.
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And so a bomber struck their 2008
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eighth world performing arts festival in Lahore,
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producing rain of glass
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that fell into the venue
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injuring nine people,
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and later that same night,
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the Peerzadas made a very difficult decision:
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they announced that their festival
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would continue as planned the next day.
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As Faizan said at the time,
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if we bow down to the Islamists,
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we'll just be sitting in a dark corner.
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But they didn't know what would happen.
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Would anyone come?
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In fact, thousands of people came out the next day
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to support the performing arts in Lahore,
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and this simultaneously thrilled
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and terrified Faizan,
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and he ran up to a woman
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who had come in with her two small children,
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and he said, "You do know there was a bomb here yesterday,
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and you do know there's a threat here today."
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And she said, "I know that,
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but I came to your festival
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with my mother when I was their age,
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and I still have those images in my mind.
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We have to be here."
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With stalwart audiences like this,
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the Peerzadas were able to conclude
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their festival on schedule.
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And then the next year,
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they lost all of their sponsors
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due to the security risk.
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So when I met them in 2010,
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they were in the middle of the first subsequent event
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that they were able to have in the same venue,
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and this was the ninth youth performing arts festival
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held in Lahore in a year when that city
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had already experienced 44 terror attacks.
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This was a time when the Pakistani Taliban
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had commenced their systematic targeting
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of girls' schools that would culminate
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in the attack on Malala Yousafzai.
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What did the Peerzadas do in that environment?
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They staged girls' school theater.
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So I had the privilege of watching "Naang Wal,"
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which was a musical in the Punjabi language,
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and the girls of Lahore Grammar School
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played all the parts.
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They sang and danced,
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they played the mice and the water buffalo,
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and I held my breath, wondering,
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would we get to the end
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of this amazing show?
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And when we did, the whole audience
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collectively exhaled,
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and a few people actually wept,
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and then they filled the auditorium
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with the peaceful boom of their applause.
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And I remember thinking in that moment
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that the bombers made headlines here
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two years before
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but this night and these people
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are as important a story.
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Maria Bashir is the first and only
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woman chief prosecutor in Afghanistan.
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She's been in the post since 2008
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and actually opened an office to investigate
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cases of violence against women,
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which she says is the most important area
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in her mandate.
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When I meet her in her office in Herat,
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she enters surrounded by
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four large men with four huge guns.
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In fact, she now has 23 bodyguards,
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because she has weathered bomb attacks
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that nearly killed her kids,
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and it took the leg off of one of her guards.
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Why does she continue?
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She says with a smile that that is the question
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that everyone asks—
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as she puts it, "Why you risk not living?"
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And it is simply that for her,
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a better future for all the Maria Bashirs to come
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is worth the risk,
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and she knows that if people like her
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do not take the risk,
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there will be no better future.
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Later on in our interview,
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Prosecutor Bashir tells me how worried she is
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about the possible outcome
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of government negotiations with the Taliban,
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the people who have been trying to kill her.
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"If we give them a place in the government,"
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she asks, "Who will protect women's rights?"
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And she urges the international community
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not to forget its promise about women
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because now they want peace with Taliban.
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A few weeks after I leave Afghanistan,
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I see a headline on the Internet.
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An Afghan prosecutor has been assassinated.
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I google desperately,
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and thankfully that day I find out
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that Maria was not the victim,
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though sadly, another Afghan prosecutor
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was gunned down on his way to work.
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And when I hear headlines like that now,
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I think that as international troops
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leave Afghanistan this year and beyond,
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we must continue to care
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about what happens to people there,
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to all of the Maria Bashirs.
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Sometimes I still hear her voice in my head
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saying, with no bravado whatsoever,
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"The situation of the women of Afghanistan
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will be better someday.
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We should prepare the ground for this,
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even if we are killed."
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There are no words adequate
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to denounce the al Shabaab terrorists
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who attacked the Westgate Mall in Nairobi
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on the same day as a children's cooking competition
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in September of 2013.
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They killed 67, including poets and pregnant women.
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Far away in the American Midwest,
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I had the good fortune of meeting Somali-Americans
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who were working to counter the efforts of al Shabaab
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to recruit a small number of young people
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from their city of Minneapolis
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to take part in atrocities like Westgate.
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Abdirizak Bihi's studious
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17-year-old nephew Burhan Hassan
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was recruited here in 2008,
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spirited to Somalia,
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and then killed when he tried to come home.
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Since that time, Mr. Bihi,
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who directs the no-budget Somali Education and Advocacy Center,
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has been vocally denouncing the recruitment
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and the failures of government
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and Somali-American institutions
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like the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center
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where he believes his nephew was radicalized
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during a youth program.
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But he doesn't just criticize the mosque.
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He also takes on the government
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for its failure to do more
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to prevent poverty in his community.
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Given his own lack of financial resources,
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Mr. Bihi has had to be creative.
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To counter the efforts of al Shabaab
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to sway more disaffected youth,
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in the wake of the group's 2010 attack
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on World Cup viewers in Uganda,
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he organized a Ramadan basketball tournament
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in Minneapolis in response.
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Scores of Somali-American kids came out
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to embrace sport
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despite the fatwa against it.
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They played basketball
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as Burhan Hassan never would again.
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For his efforts, Mr. Bihi has been ostracized
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by the leadership of the Abubakar As-Saddique Islamic Center,
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with which he used to have good relations.
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He told me, "One day we saw the imam on TV
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calling us infidels and saying,
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'These families are trying to destroy the mosque.'"
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This is at complete odds
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with how Abdirizak Bihi understands
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what he is trying to do
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by exposing al Shabaab recruitment,
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which is to save the religion I love
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from a small number of extremists.
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Now I want to tell one last story,
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that of a 22-year-old law student in Algeria
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named Amel Zenoune-Zouani
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who had the same dreams of a legal career
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that I did back in the '90s.
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She refused to give up her studies,
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despite the fact that the fundamentalists
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16:32
battling the Algerian state back then
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threatened all who continued their education.
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On January 26, 1997, Amel boarded the bus
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in Algiers where she was studying
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to go home and spend a Ramadan evening
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with her family,
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and would never finish law school.
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When the bus reached the outskirts
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of her hometown, it was stopped
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at a checkpoint manned by men
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from the Armed Islamic Group.
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Carrying her schoolbag,
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Amel was taken off the bus
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and killed in the street.
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The men who cut her throat
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then told everyone else,
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"If you go to university,
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the day will come when we will kill all of you
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just like this."
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Amel died at exactly 5:17 p.m.,
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which we know because when she fell in the street,
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her watch broke.
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Her mother showed me the watch
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with the second hand still aimed
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optimistically upward
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towards a 5:18 that would never come.
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Shortly before her death,
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Amel had said to her mother of herself
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and her sisters,
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"Nothing will happen to us, Inshallah, God willing,
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but if something happens,
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you must know that we are dead for knowledge.
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You and father must keep your heads held high."
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The loss of such a young woman is unfathomable,
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and so as I did my research
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I found myself searching for Amel's hope again
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and her name even means "hope" in Arabic.
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I think I found it in two places.
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The first is in the strength of her family
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and all the other families to continue telling their stories
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and to go on with their lives despite the terrorism.
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In fact, Amel's sister Lamia overcame her grief,
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went to law school,
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and practices as a lawyer in Algiers today,
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something which is only possible
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because the armed fundamentalists
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were largely defeated in the country.
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And the second place I found Amel's hope
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was everywhere that women and men
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continue to defy the jihadis.
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We must support all of those in honor of Amel
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who continue this human rights struggle today,
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like the Network of Women Living Under Muslim Laws.
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18:43
It is not enough, as the victims rights advocate
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Cherifa Kheddar told me in Algiers,
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it is not enough just to battle terrorism.
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We must also challenge fundamentalism,
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because fundamentalism is the ideology
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that makes the bed of this terrorism.
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Why is it that people like her, like all of them
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are not more well known?
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Why is it that everyone knows who Osama bin Laden was
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and so few know of all of those
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standing up to the bin Ladens in their own contexts.
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We must change that, and so I ask you
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to please help share these stories
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through your networks.
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Look again at Amel Zenoune's watch,
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forever frozen,
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and now please look at your own watch
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and decide this is the moment that you commit
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to supporting people like Amel.
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We don't have the right to be silent about them
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because it is easier
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or because Western policy is flawed as well,
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because 5:17 is still coming
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to too many Amel Zenounes
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in places like northern Nigeria,
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where jihadis still kill students.
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The time to speak up in support of all of those
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who peacefully challenge fundamentalism
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and terrorism in their own communities
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is now.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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