The infamous overpopulation bet: Simon vs. Ehrlich - Soraya Field Fiorio

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翻译人员: Shuhui Huang 校对人员: Helen Chang
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In 1980, two American professors bet $1,000
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1980年,两个美国教授 打了个1000美元的赌
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on a question with stakes that couldn’t be higher:
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而赌约事关重大
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would the earth run out of resources to sustain a growing human population?
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赌的是地球会不会 因为人口过剩而耗尽资源
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One of them was Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich,
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其中一位教授是斯坦福的 生态学家保罗·埃利希
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who wrote the bestselling 1968 book, “The Population Bomb.”
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他撰写了1968年的 畅销书《人口爆炸》
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The global population had grown rapidly since World War II,
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自从二战结束 全球人口一直在快速增长
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and Ehrlich predicted that millions would starve to death
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埃利希预测,数百万人 将会因为粮食供给跟不上
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as the population increased faster than the food supply.
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人口增长速度而饿死
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He drew from the ideas of 18th century economist Thomas Malthus
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他的想法来自于十八世纪的 经济学家托马斯·马尔萨斯
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and related work from the 20th century.
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和一些二十世纪的相关著作
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Malthus had posited that population growth,
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马尔萨斯认为如果不加以控制
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if unchecked over time, would always outpace food supply.
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人口增速总是会比粮食产量快
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Through the 1970s, it seemed like Ehrlich was right:
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在 70 年代看似埃利希正确
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famines, pollution, and political unrest
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饥荒、污染、政治斗争
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had many concerned that humanity was on the brink of such a crisis,
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都让人感到危机即将爆发
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and some governments considered and even implemented
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有些政府衡量甚至执行了
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policies to limit population growth.
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限制人口的政策
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Betting against Ehrlich was Julian Simon, a professor of business and economics.
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和埃利希打赌的是朱利安·西蒙
一位商业经济学教授
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He analyzed historic data from around the world,
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他分析了各个国家的历史数据得出
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and found no correlation between a growing population
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人口增长和生活质量下降
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and a decrease in standards of living—
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是没有必然联系的
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in fact, he found the opposite.
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事实上,他的结论是相反的
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He argued that Ehrlich’s work, and that of Malthus before him,
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他反驳埃利希以及之前的马尔萨斯
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was based on theoretical calculations,
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基于理论计算
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while the real-world data told a different story.
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而真实数据的结果是不一样的
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But then, he departed from the data himself,
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然而,他后来的理论也脱离了数据
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claiming human ingenuity would always find alternatives
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认为人类的智慧总是会找到办法
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to compensate for diminishing resources.
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以弥补资源的减少
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If that seems overly optimistic to you, well, you're not alone.
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不只是你觉得这过于乐观
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Ehrlich and other experts found Simon’s claims preposterous.
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埃利希和其他专家 都觉得西蒙的观点很荒唐
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In June 1980, Simon wrote a scathing article for Science Magazine
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1980年6月,西蒙投稿科学杂志
写了一篇很尖刻的文章
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that incited a heated debate of published articles between the two men.
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两个人随之开始激烈地 发表文章驳斥对方
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Simon said he should have placed a wager against Ehrlich years before,
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西蒙说他早该在几年前 就与埃利希打赌
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when Ehrlich ventured that,
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那时埃利希大言不惭地说
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“England would not exist in the year 2000.”
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”英格兰到21世纪将不复存在“
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Later that year, Simon called Ehrlich a false prophet
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那一年稍后,西蒙公开宣称 埃利希是一个假预言家
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and challenged him to a bet.
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并挑战他打一个赌
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Their feud also touched on the debate
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他们的争执也恰好与当时
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about whether to prioritize environmental protections or economic growth,
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是环境还是经济为先的讨论不谋而合
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a key issue in the American presidential race
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这是当时竞选总统的 吉米·卡特和罗纳德·里根
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between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.
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辩论的重要话题
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After some debate, they set the final terms:
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经过一番辩论,两人最终商定:
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$200 on the price of each of five metals.
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赌五种金属的价格,各两百美元
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If the price of the metal decreased or held steady over the next decade,
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如果金属的价格十年后下降或不变
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Simon won.
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则西蒙赢
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If the price increased, Ehrlich won.
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如果价格上升,则埃利希赢
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Wait, what?
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啥?
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Weren’t we talking about overpopulation and famine?
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我们不是再说人口过剩和饥荒吗?
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What could the price of metals possibly have to do with that?
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和金属价格有什么关系?
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Well, the reality is that the price of metals may not have been the best choice—
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其实,金属的价格 可能的确不是最好的选择
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many factors impact these prices that have nothing to do with overpopulation.
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因为金属价格会受很多 与人口无关的因素影响
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But their reasoning was as follows: metals are finite natural resources
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但他们的理由如下:
金属是有限的自然资源
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used in all sorts of manufacturing.
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而且是各种工业生产的必需品
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Ehrlich believed a growing population would consume such finite resources,
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埃利希相信人口增长会导致资源稀缺
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and scarcity would drive the prices up.
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并使价格上涨
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Simon thought humanity would find substitutes for the metals,
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而西蒙认为人类会找到 金属的替代资源
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and the prices would stay stable or even decrease.
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所以价格不仅不涨,甚至还会跌
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So, what happened?
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所以,结果是什么呢?
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The world population continued to increase over the next 10 years,
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之后的十年,世界人口持续增加
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but the price of all five metals decreased,
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但这五种金属矿物的价格却都下跌了
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making Simon the clear winner of a bet that may not have been a great proxy
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所以西蒙完胜
虽然金属价格对他们辩题来说
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for the question they were debating, anyway.
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可能并不是一个好的衡量标准
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As for the question itself, today,
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再回到人口过剩的问题
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their focus on overpopulation represent a snapshot of history.
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他们的论点其实展现了我们过去的认知
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Our understanding of what causes starvation and famine has progressed:
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我们对导致饥荒原因的理解有所进展:
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we have the resources to support a growing human population,
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虽然我们拥有足够的粮食
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but we’re currently failing to distribute those resources equitably,
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但我们的问题在于没有公平分配
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and changing that should be our priority.
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这是我们要优先解决的
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And we no longer see population size as a primary cause
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我们也不再认为环境恶化、 气候变化的主要原因
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of environmental degradation and climate change,
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是人口数量了
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or limiting population growth as a viable solution to these problems.
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也不再觉得限制人口是解决办法
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Rather, experts largely agree that our focus should be
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业界专家已达成共识,我们应该注重
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on replacing unsustainable technologies and practices with sustainable ones,
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开发可以持续的新能源 来替代旧的不可再生能源
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and that economic growth and environmental protections
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经济发展和环境保护
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don’t have to be at odds.
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也并不一定对立
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In October 1990, Julian Simon received a check from Paul Ehrlich.
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1990年10月朱利安·西蒙 收到了一张来自保罗·埃利希的支票
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There was no note.
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没有附言
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