The A to Z English Podcast improves my English? INTERVIEW

Welcome to another edition of Speak English fluently.

欢迎阅读另一期《说流利的英语》。

I'm your host, Steve Hatherly. And today I'm very excited because my guests

我是你的主人，史蒂夫哈瑟利。今天我非常兴奋，因为我的客人

are fellow podcasters. I think this is the first time I've had the

都是播客。我想这是我第一次有

opportunity to say this. Jack McBain and Kevin Mitchell both come from

机会这样说。 Jack McBain 和 Kevin Mitchell 都来自

the United States of America. Both majored in communication in university.

美利坚合众国。两人在大学主修传播学。

And both host a podcast called A-Z English Podcast.

并且都主持了一个名为 AZ English Podcast 的播客。

They have a shared love of podcasting, as do I.

他们和我一样都热爱播客。

They have lots of experience teaching English at the university level here in Korea.

他们在韩国的大学里有丰富的英语教学经验。

I believe they've been doing it for over 15 plus years.

我相信他们已经这样做超过 15 年了。

That's a long time. And I think maybe collectively, we have a

那是很长一段时间了。而且我认为也许共同地，我们也

shared love of dogs as well, at least I do with… with Kevin.

对狗有共同的爱，至少我和……和凯文一样。

Let me say hello to my guest today, Jack McBain and Kevin Mitchell.

今天让我向我的客人 Jack McBain 和 Kevin Mitchell 打个招呼。

Fellas, welcome to the show. Thank you.

伙计们，欢迎来到节目。谢谢你。

Hey, Steve. Yeah, thanks for having us. Absolutely, absolutely.

嘿，史蒂夫。是的，谢谢邀请我们。绝对，绝对。

Good evening. Good evening to you, Kevin. Has anyone ever

晚上好。晚上好，凯文。有没有人

told you… you look like Neil Patrick Harris? That I haven't heard.

告诉过你……你看起来像尼尔·帕特里克·哈里斯？我没听说过。

You've never heard that? That one. No, I… I do have a lot of Korean

你从来没有听说过？那个。不，我……我确实有很多韩国

students tell me I looked like Benedict Cumberbatch. Oh, interesting.

学生告诉我我长得像本尼迪克特康伯巴奇。哦，有趣。

And I don't agree, but I think I see where they get it because I have a relatively narrow

我不同意，但我想我知道他们是从哪里弄来的，因为我的

face. Alright, yeah.

脸比较窄。好吧，是的。

And Mr. Cumberbatch does as well. And I think there’s a lot of just, yeah,

康伯巴奇先生也是如此。而且我认为有很多，是的，

foreigner. Foreigner with somewhat similar face structures.

外国人。面部结构有些相似的外国人。

Podcast show idea for you guys, which celebrity do you look like most?

Podcast show idea 给你们，你们最像哪位名人？

I'm not sure I want to hear the answer to that to be honest.

老实说，我不确定我是否想听到这个问题的答案。

There's a reason that we are podcasters and not video…

我们是播客而不是视频是有原因的……

Yeah, right. Right. Video stars.

是的，对。正确的。影视明星。

I will ask you about that in a moments time, but let's talk a little bit about you guys

稍后我会问你这个问题，但

before we turn our focus to your podcast.

在我们将注意力转移到你的播客之前，让我们先谈谈你们。

Jack, maybe we can start with you and you can tell us a little bit about yourself.

杰克，也许我们可以从你开始，你可以告诉我们一些关于你自己的事情。

Yeah, sure. I… I actually came to Asia about 20 or so years ago.

好，当然。我……其实我大约在 20 年前来到亚洲。

I started teaching at the university level in Korea in 2006.

我于 2006 年开始在韩国的大学任教。

And I've been at the same school for 17 years. So. Yeah, yeah so.

我在同一所学校已经 17 年了。所以。是的，是的。

That's a testament to how good a teacher you are, obviously.

很明显，这证明了你是一位多么优秀的老师。

I think so. Well, either that or they're too lazy to try

我认同。好吧，要么那样，要么他们懒得

to find another teacher. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't realize that would

去找另一位老师。是的，但是，是的，我没有意识到那将

be my forever job. But you know, you… you kind of accidentally

是我永远的工作。但是你知道，你……你

stumble into these things sometimes in life. That is how it goes.

在生活中有时会不小心碰到这些东西。事情就是这样。

Where in Korea are you located? So I'm in Pyeongtech, but I actually teach

你在韩国哪里？所以我在 Pyeongtech，但实际上我

in Ansong which is the next city over, so not far from where I live.

在下一个城市安松教书，离我住的地方不远。

Great to meet you.

很高兴见到你。

Kevin. How about you? Uhm, so similar to Jack I think.

凯文。你呢？嗯，我觉得很像杰克。

I didn't a plan to be a teacher for forever either.

我也没有打算永远当老师。

And here I am almost… almost 20 years into being a teacher - total.

在这里，我几乎……成为一名教师将近 20 年 - 总计。

Not all of it in Korea, but it started when I was a student in university and I just did

并非所有这些都发生在韩国，但它始于我还是一名大学学生时，我只是

it as a part time job and I liked it. It was fun.

作为兼职工作而做的，我喜欢它。好玩。

I enjoy teaching. I like being with students.

我喜欢教学。我喜欢和学生在一起。

And then I moved to Korea and started working at the university here and...

然后我搬到了韩国，开始在这里的大学工作......

Yeah, I've been doing the same thing for almost 20 years total as… as well.

是的，我一直在做同样的事情将近 20 年......也是如此。

Korea’s uh, a nice place to live, a nice place to… to teach in some ways.

韩国，呃，一个宜居的好地方，一个……在某些方面可以教书的好地方。

I completely concur.

我完全同意。

So the relationship between you two does it go back to America?

那么你们两个之间的关系会回到美国吗？

Did you meet here in Korea? Did you teach at the same school?

你在韩国见过吗？你们在同一所学校教书吗？

We do teach at the same school, so yes. Like… like a lot of friend friendships that

我们确实在同一所学校教书，所以是的。就像……就像很多朋友的友谊一样

develop, uh, after university, our friendship began because we teach at the same university.

，大学毕业后，我们的友谊开始了，因为我们在同一所大学任教。

He's at the Seoul campus. I'm out in the Gyenggi-do area outside of Seoul.

他在首尔校区。我在首尔郊外的京畿道地区。

But yeah, we have… we have been friends for a long time now, so yeah.

但是，是的，我们……我们已经是很长一段时间的朋友了，所以是的。

Yeah, we've been working at the same uni since… since I started.

是的，我们一直在同一所大学工作……从我开始。

Interesting. Years ago.

有趣的。几年前。

So when did the idea? Let's get into it now. When did the idea for the A to Z English podcast

那么这个想法是什么时候产生的呢？让我们现在开始吧。 A 到 Z 英语播客的想法是什么时候

begin? Was that early on in your friendship something

开始的？在你们友谊的早期

that you may be mentioned once or twice, maybe let's do it later?

，你可能会被提及一两次，也许我们以后再说吧？

Or was it one person idea and you decided to start Right away?

或者是一个人的想法，你决定马上开始？

Tell us about that. Do you want me to handle this one Kev?

告诉我们这件事。你想让我处理这个 Kev 吗？

Field this one? Yeah, I think this should be yours 'cause

打这个？是的，我认为这应该是你的，因为

the podcast really was your idea. It was something that I think we were bored

播客确实是你的主意。这是我认为我们

during COVID and then it went from there. So go ahead, but you've… you've been interested

在 COVID 期间感到无聊的事情，然后它就从那里消失了。所以继续吧，但是你……你对

for a long time in podcasting. Well, right. I mean it, it's kind of like,

播客很感兴趣了很长时间。嗯，对。我的意思是，这有点像，

you know, you want you go to, uh, a blockbuster movie and you say I want to be an actor, I

你知道，你想要去看一部轰动一时的电影，然后你说我想成为一名演员，我

want to make movies, you know something, but. The threshold is too high. It's too difficult

想拍电影，你知道的，但是。门槛太高了。这样做太难

to do that. But when I really got into podcasting, I was

了。但是当我真正开始做播客时，我觉得

like, you know what, it's not that difficult to start a podcast.

，你知道吗，开始播客并不难。

It's difficult to build a community of listeners, but, but it was something that was just kind

建立一个听众社区很困难，但是，这只是一种

of eating away at me for a while. And finally, I asked Kevin and another friend

让我吃掉了一段时间的东西。最后，我问了凯文和

of ours. I said, you know what, guys? Let's start a podcast. And we actually started a

我们的另一位朋友。我说，伙计们，你们知道吗？让我们开始播客。我们实际上开始了一个

podcast called The Seoul Patch.

名为 The Seoul Patch 的播客。

Which is up on Seoul and we just talked about Korea related topics.

这是关于首尔的，我们刚刚谈到了与韩国相关的话题。

I've heard of that podcast. Oh, really?

我听说过那个播客。哦真的吗？

I… I must admit, I must admit, I apologize. I… I… I don't think I've heard an episode,

我……我必须承认，我必须承认，我道歉。我……我……我好像没听过一集，

but I know that I've heard of that podcast before.

但我知道我以前听过那个播客。

Oh, wow. OK, well, that's inspiring. That's that's awesome.

哦，哇。好吧，这很鼓舞人心。那太棒了。

Uh, we what happened was we kind of decided to make a kind of right turn towards something

呃，我们发生的事情是我们决定右转，转向对

that was maybe a little more practical for listeners, which was a Language Learning podcast,

听众来说可能更实用的东西，这是一个语言学习播客，

which combines my love of podcasting and I think Kevin also enjoys it.

它结合了我对播客的热爱，我认为凯文也很喜欢。

And also our experience as English teachers. And so that's what started the A-Z English

还有我们作为英语老师的经历。这就是 AZ 英语

podcast? Pretty much, Yep.

播客的开端？差不多，是的。

So it wasn't a tough sell I guess for you then, Kevin to come on board and join Jack?

所以我猜对你来说这不是一个艰难的推销，凯文加入杰克的行列？

Well, like I was saying a minute ago, it really started at first during the COVID pandemic

好吧，就像我一分钟前说的那样，这实际上是在 COVID 大流行期间开始的，

when we were all just stuck at home.

当时我们都被困在家里。

And not meeting friends. And not being social. And so Jack got in touch and said, hey, do

而且不认识朋友。而且不社交。所以杰克联系上说，嘿，

you guys want to hang out and talk about Korea and record it and publish it?

你们想一起出去谈论韩国并录制并发布吗？

And, I was like, yeah, that… that sounds fun because I was just lonely.

而且，我当时想，是的，那……听起来很有趣，因为我只是很孤独。

I needed friends. I needed something to do.

我需要朋友。我需要做点什么。

And there it just started and it just got better and… and it was fun to do. It was

它才刚刚开始，它就变得更好了……而且做起来很有趣。

fun just to… to hang out and talk w ith cool people.

只是……和很酷的人闲逛聊天 很 有趣。

So that suggests to me then that the podcast is about two years old, roughly.

所以这对我来说意味着播客大约有两年的历史了。

Actually, yeah. Yeah, I would say yeah, but we started the

事实上，是的。是的，我会说是的，但是

Seoul patch about two years ago and we've been doing the A-Z podcast for about 3 months.

大约两年前我们开始了首尔补丁，我们已经做了大约 3 个月的 AZ 播客。

It's still new. The Soul patch is on hiatus, but we plan to

它仍然是新的。 Soul 补丁暂时停用，但我们计划

bring that back once a week. Soon.

每周恢复一次。很快。

So the A-Z podcast. If you have to give a description about what it is, then what would

所以 AZ 播客。如果您必须描述它是什么，那么

that description be? Kevin, I'll let you field this one.

该描述是什么？凯文，我会让你派上用场。

So and the A-Z English podcast is a podcast for English learners, of course, people who

所以AZ英语播客是为英语学习者，当然是

want to learn English. But it's focused on listening to native speakers

想学英语的人准备的播客。但它的重点是听母语人士

just talk and explain things in a kind of natural conversation with homework attached,

以一种自然的对话方式谈论和解释事物，并附有作业，

right? So there's, you can listen to Jack and I and our other host, Xochilt, she's not

对吧？所以，你们可以听听 Jack 和我以及我们的另一位主持人 Xochilt，她现在不在

here at the moment. You can just listen to us talk about different

。您可以只听我们谈论不同的

things or explain some idioms. Or sometimes we get into some grammar too, but grammar

事情或解释一些成语。或者有时我们也会学习一些语法，但语法

is not as exciting. But it's just us talking about topics so that

并不那么令人兴奋。但这只是我们谈论话题，让

listeners can get a feel for what native English conversations sound like.

听众能够感受到母语英语对话听起来是什么样的。

And like I said, there's homework connected, so it's not just listening, it's listening

就像我说的，家庭作业是相关的，所以它不仅仅是听力，它是听力

and, you know, answer some questions and focus, so there's, uh, a study element for… for

，你知道，回答一些问题和重点，所以有，呃，一个学习元素……对于

our listeners and the students as well. Well, yes, I did listen to a handful of the

我们的听众和学生。好吧，是的，我确实听了一些

podcast. One of them was grammar related, related to the present voice and the past

播客。其中之一是语法相关的，与现在的语音和过去的

voice. OK.

语音有关。好的。

I think talking about it being eaten by a giant sandwich was a sentence that stood out,

我认为谈论它被一个巨大的三明治吃掉是一个突出的句子，

stood out to me my first, right? Passive and active.

对我来说是第一个突出的，对吧？被动和主动。

Yep, passive voice activation. My first thought was, “What kind of sandwich

是的，被动语态激活。我的第一个想法是，“

would I want that to be?” Good question, good question.

我想要什么样的三明治？”好问题，好问题。

Yeah, that's a good question, right. I… I would say ham and cheese if you had to ask

是的，这是个好问题，对吧。我……如果你不得不问

if I if you really pushed me, but yeah. Not… not a bad answer.

我你是否真的逼迫我，我会说火腿和奶酪，但是是的。不……不错的答案。

Another episode was about everyday idioms. Yeah, so there seems to be quite a variety

另一集是关于日常习语的。 是的，所以 您研究或展示的主题 似乎多种多样

of topics that you study but or that you present. But when you do, when you did come up with

。 但是，当您这样做时，当您最初确实提出

the idea initially, it's kind of such a broad spectrum, isn't it to start…?

这个想法时，它的范围如此之广，难道不是要开始……吗？

English. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

英语。嗯嗯。是的。

And yeah, English and then a podcast about English. So oh, OK, well, where where do we

是的，英语，然后是关于英语的播客。所以哦，好吧，好吧，我们从哪里

begin? Where do we go? So that very first episode that you did, if you can remember

开始呢？我们去哪里？所以你做的第一集，如果你还记得

back that far, how did you decide what the content would be?

那么远，你是如何决定内容的？

That's a great question. Yeah. So I think probably our second one, the first

这是一个很好的问题。是的。所以我认为可能是我们的第二个，第

one was probably just an introduction for us.

一个可能只是对我们的介绍。

OK, fair enough. Yes. But then yeah after that and that's honestly

好，可以。是的。但是，是的，在那之后，老实说，

topics is one of the hardest parts of… of thinking of new episodes for grammar, for

话题是最难的部分之一……为语法、

idioms and… and for our chats. For the chats, it's just things that Jack

习语和……以及我们的聊天考虑新的情节。对于聊天，这只是 Jack

and I are interested in.

和我感兴趣的事情。

And… and hopefully topics that our audience are interested in as well.

而且……希望我们的观众也感兴趣的话题。

So we have a lot of young listeners, so we're trying to find more younger topics 'cause

所以我们有很多年轻的听众，所以我们试图找到更多更年轻的话题，因为

we're not so young and trying to relate. Jack, how do you come up with your… our

我们不那么年轻并试图联系起来。杰克，你是怎么想出你的……我们的

topics? Well, I think it goes back to my experience

话题的？好吧，我想这可以追溯到我

as a teacher. I think one of the pitfalls that a lot of teachers, they come to another

当老师的经历。我认为很多老师的陷阱之一，他们来到另一个

country to teach English and they go, Today, I am going to teach the present tense and

国家教英语，然后他们去了，今天，我要教现在时和

the present continuous tense. And when I leave, after my one hour or whatever, everybody will

现在进行时。当我离开时，经过一小时或其他时间后，每个人都会

understand completely what I just lectured because…. 'cause I… I know that I organized

完全理解我刚刚讲的内容，因为……。因为我……我知道我

my lesson so well.” And then I come back the next day, and everybody

把课程组织得很好。”然后第二天我回来，每个人都

is making the same mistakes that they were before I lectured.

在犯我演讲之前的错误。

And what you have to… to realize is that, if you create a lesson for the classroom,

你必须……要意识到的是，如果你为课堂制作一节课，

or a podcast episode or something, they're just listeners are going to take away maybe

或者播客剧集之类的，他们只是听众，

if you're lucky 1 little piece of something that they hadn't put together.

如果你幸运的话，他们可能会拿走一小块东西没有放在一起。

But this idea that we're going to kind of solve the problem of tense or whatever is

但是我们要解决时态问题或其他问题的想法是

I… I mean, it's a trap a lot of teachers fall into, especially new teachers.

……我的意思是，这是很多老师都会掉入的陷阱，尤其是新老师。

But for us, we don't, we try not to worry about, you know, them understanding everything.

但对我们来说，我们不会，我们尽量不担心，你知道，他们了解一切。

If they can just take out one or two key points during that… that lesson, I would consider

如果他们能在那个……那个课上拿出一两个关键点，我就认为

that a success. In my mind, yeah. Yeah, I guess that's a great point is that

是成功的。在我看来，是的。是的，我想这很重要

if there's something, because everybody learns differently, also everybody has their own

，因为每个人的学习方式都不同，所以每个人都有自己的

agenda to write about what they need to improve or what… what they want to learn in the

议程来写下他们需要改进的

first place. So yeah, designing an episode where you can

地方或什么……他们首先想学什么。所以，是的，设计一集你可以

take away one or two or three things, then, yeah, that has to be considered a success.

带走一两件或三件东西，然后，是的，那必须被认为是成功的。

So, let's talk, let's talk about the… the structures of the episodes. Do they follow

所以，让我们谈谈，让我们谈谈……剧集的结构。 每次您这样做时，

a similar breakdown each time you do it? The… the way that we have been organizing

他们都会遵循 类似的细分吗？ ……我们最近组织

it lately is that we try to do, we try to evenly distribute the types of episodes that

它的方式是我们尝试这样做，我们尝试平均分配

we are recording. So, we have what we call Quick Chats and those

我们正在录制的剧集类型。所以，我们有所谓的快速聊天，这些

are just conversations.

只是对话。

And what we do is we just kind of freestyle a conversation between the three of us or

我们所做的只是我们三个或

two of us. And then we go back and we kind of cherry

两个人之间的自由式对话。然后我们回去，我们

pick vocabulary and put that into a study guide, provide a transcript for the students.

挑选一些词汇并将其放入学习指南中，为学生提供一份成绩单。

But in essence, it just gives them an opportunity to listen to a real time conversation between

但本质上，它只是让他们有机会聆听 两位母语人士 之间的实时对话

two native speakers. Yeah.

。 是的。

The other ep… two types of episodes that we have our where we we'd have 3 idioms and

另一集……我们有两种类型的剧集，我们有 3 个成语，

we just explain the meaning of them because, you know, idioms can be very difficult to

我们只是解释它们的含义，因为，你知道，成语可能很难

understand. Some of them are…. I don't even know the

理解。他们之中有一些是…。我什至不知道它们的

genesis of, a lot of you know idioms like they're so old, you know, like talking about

起源，你们中的很多人都知道成语，就像它们太古老了，就像谈论

like a horse, you know, lead a horse to water or something.

像一匹马一样，你知道，把马带到水里什么的。

Right. Uhm, the other type is the… the grammar

正确的。嗯，另一种类型是……

episode that you listen to, and we're trying to kind of go through different grammar points

您听到的语法片段，我们正在尝试通过不同的语法点

and provide examples. And I think those are maybe the hardest to

并提供示例。我认为这些可能是最难

translate through a podcast format. Because you don't have a whiteboard. You don't

通过播客格式翻译的。因为你没有白板。你没有

have, you know you can't draw a timeline and things like that. So, but those are the three

，你知道你不能画出时间表之类的东西。所以，但这些是

basic types of episodes that we have been recording most recently.

我们最近录制的三种基本类型的剧集。

Which ones, Kevin, are your favorite ones to do?

凯文，你最喜欢做什么？

Oh, the… the quick chats are the most the… the easiest and the most fun.

哦，那个……快速聊天是最……最简单、最有趣的。

Because, I mean, like we said, it's we started this podcast just to hang out with friends

因为，我的意思是，就像我们说的，我们开始这个播客只是为了和朋友出去玩

and that's what that is. The quick chat is just hanging out with…. with Jack or Xochitl

，就是这样。快速聊天只是和……闲逛。与 Jack 或 Xochitl

and… and just talking about something, so those are fun. I would say that the grammar

以及……只是谈论一些事情，所以这些很有趣。我想说的是，语法

and the idioms ones though are kind of interesting to do as well, because, Jack and I's relationship

和习语的学习也很有趣，因为，杰克和我

for the past many years has just been a friend relationship.

在过去多年的关系只是朋友关系。

We didn't teach together. But in those episodes, it's much more teaching, right? It's like,

我们没有一起上课。但在那些剧集中，更多的是教学，对吧？就像，

here's a grammar, here's an idiom, how do you do it? And it's very interesting to see

这是一个语法，这是一个成语，你是怎么做到的？看到

his style of thinking of ideas. Or my style of thinking of ideas and how those translate

他的思维方式非常有趣。或者我的想法以及这些想法如何转化

into audio and into podcasts. And so even though they're not as fun necessarily to record,

为音频和播客。因此，即使录制它们不一定

they're equally interesting just to do it with someone else.

很有趣，但与其他人一起录制它们同样有趣。

You get to feel what it feels like to be a student in Jack’s classroom and conversely,

当你坐下来听播客时，你 会感受到在 Jack 的课堂上当学生的感觉，相反，

in Kevin’s classroom when you sit back and listen on the podcast how each of you might

在 Kevin 的课堂上听你们每个人如何

explain a different grammar point or an idiom. And I'm guessing that helps because you can

解释不同的语法点或习语。我猜这会有所帮助，因为你可以

take that to your own classrooms in your university and apply those things there.

把它带到你自己大学的教室里，并在那里应用这些东西。

Yeah, it's amazing what you can learn from other teachers as… as well.

是的，你能从其他老师那里学到的东西真是太棒了……还有。

Oh, absolutely. And the, you know, the analogies that he'll use are some that I had never thought

哦，当然。而且，你知道，他将使用的类比是我从未想过

of. Yeah, right.

的。是的，对。

It's same for you of course. And you know, well, yeah and I, you know,

当然对你也一样。你知道，嗯，是的，我，你知道，

you tend to lean into the same ones over and over again every year after year.

你往往年复一年地一遍又一遍地依赖同样的东西。

And it's… it's nice to just watch someone else do it and it opens up a whole, you know,

而且……看着别人做这件事真是太好了，它

new world for you. So yeah, it's really useful. So you mentioned you mentioned homework. Is

为你打开了一个全新的世界。所以是的，它真的很有用。所以你提到你提到了家庭作业。

that homework given at the end of each of the podcast, regardless of whether it's a

无论是语法剧集、成语剧集、快速聊天剧集还是杰克的聊天剧集，是否在每个播客的末尾都给出了家庭 作业

grammar episode or an idiom episode or a quick chat episode or a Jack’s chats episode?

？

I didn't bring that up, but we're going to talk about that in a moment too. Is it…

我没有提到它，但我们稍后也会讨论它。是……

Does it follow that format? There's homework at the end of each and every episode?

它遵循那种格式吗？每集结尾都有作业？

Yeah, yeah. Kevin, do you want to talk about? This there is different types of homework

是啊。凯文，你想谈谈吗？ 每集结束时都有 不同类型的作业

at the end of each episode. For each episode, we do ask questions for everyone. So the…

。 对于每一集，我们都会为每个人提问。所以……

the most basic style of homework is simply asking our listeners to come to our WhatsApp

最基本的作业方式就是让我们的听众来到我们的 WhatsApp

group. We have a WhatsApp group for anyone to come and and just talk to us in practice,

小组。我们有一个 WhatsApp 群组，任何人都可以在实践中与我们交谈，

which is very helpful. Tell us what that…. Tell us what that is,

这非常有帮助。告诉我们那是什么…… 请 告诉我们那是什么

please. So WhatsApp is just a chat program. Of course,

。所以 WhatsApp 只是一个聊天程序。当然，

I'm sure all of our young listeners know it better than I do. And we just have a WhatsApp

我相信我们所有的年轻听众都比我更了解它。我们只有一个 WhatsApp

chat room for A to Z English and a couple of other ones as well where any listener can

聊天室，用于 A 到 Z 英语和其他几个聊天室，任何听众都可

just come and talk to us and other teachers as well in there.

以来这里与我们和其他老师交谈。

And so a lot of our homework is, you know, today we're talking about the weather. Come

所以我们的很多作业是，你知道，今天我们要谈论天气。快来

and tell us about your favorite weather. What season do you like? Or just some simple questions

告诉我们你最喜欢的天气。你喜欢什么季节？或者最后只是一些简单

at the end? Some of our episodes like the idioms, for example, that's a little bit more

的问题？例如，我们的一些剧集（例如成语）更加

structured and we have a PDF file connected with those where they can download the PDF.

结构化，我们有一个 PDF 文件与那些可以下载 PDF 的文件相关联。

There's some questions that they can fill out and they can come to the WhatsApp group

他们可以填写一些问题，然后他们可以

again to share their example sentences using the idioms or using the grammar points. And

再次来到 WhatsApp 组，使用成语或使用语法点来分享他们的例句。然后

then we will comment and reply and say, oh good job or oh fix this or things like that.

我们会发表评论并回复并说，哦干得好或哦解决这个或类似的事情。

So it'…s it's a lot of self-study, but those WhatsApp groups do give us some interaction

所以这是很多自学，但那些 WhatsApp 小组确实给了我们一些互动

and allow us to work with students after. As well.

，并允许我们在之后与学生一起工作。同样。

Yes, absolutely. It's… it's very, it's a great resource actually for us as well as

是的，一点没错。 它是……它非常，它实际上对我们和 学生

the students. So for example, If we're brainstorming an

来说都是一个很好的资源 。 因此，例如，如果我们正在集思广益

episode idea, we can bring that to the WhatsApp group. Students will give us feedback. They'll

，我们可以将其带到 WhatsApp 组。学生会给我们反馈。他们会

tell us what did you like about this? What is not working for you? Soemthin that we I'd

告诉我们你喜欢这个什么？什么不适合你？ Soemthin

be remiss if I didn't say we make a transcript through you know AI technology you can you

如果我不说我们通过你知道的 AI 技术制作成绩单，我会失职，你可以将

know punch it into… Uh, Microsoft Word and it will spit out a.. a whole transcript that

它打入......呃，Microsoft Word，它会吐出一个......

we can add to the… the study guide. And so, you know, there's just a lot of different

我们可以添加 的完整成绩单 到……学习指南。所以，你知道，

ways that students can interact or interface with our content that doesn't just require

学生可以通过很多不同的方式与我们的内容进行交互或交互，而不仅仅是

listening. But they can also read along. UM, they can

听。但他们也可以一起阅读。嗯，他们可以

make their own sentences and upload those to put them in WhatsApp.

自己造句，然后上传到 WhatsApp 中。

Get some feedback from us in real time. So I just uh, this is what's different about

从我们这里实时获得一些反馈。所以我只是呃，这就是

the A-Z English podcast then our Seoul Patch podcast. The Seoul Patch Podcast was more

AZ 英语播客与我们的首尔补丁播客的不同之处。首尔补丁播客更具

entertainment. This is more educational. So it does require a little more effort on the

娱乐性。这更有教育意义。

back end as far as marketing and things like that.

因此，

And so, but it's it really pays off when you get positive feedback from students in the

就营销之类的事情而言，它确实需要在后端 付出更多努力 。 因此，当您从

WhatsApp group. And that's… that's a beautiful thing about

WhatsApp 群组中的学生那里获得积极反馈时，这才是真正的回报。那就是……

podcasting in general, is that everyone, all of our listeners, can do what they want. If

总的来说，播客的一个美妙之处在于，每个人，我们所有的听众，都可以做他们想做的事。如果

they just want to come and listen, great, just come and listen. If you want to do the

他们只是想来听，很好，就来听吧。如果您想自己做

homework, the PDF file by yourself, check our web page. It's there and do that. If you

功课，PDF 文件，请查看我们的网页。它就在那里，然后去做。如果你

want to come and talk to us, come and talk to us. Now, if you want to do all of it, do

想来和我们谈谈，就来和我们谈谈吧。现在，如果你想做所有的事情，那就也做

all of it as well. It's, it's up for them to choose how much they want to.

所有的事情。是的，由他们选择他们想要多少。

You can be as active or as passive as you would like to be in terms of you being a learner.

作为一名学习者，你可以随心所欲地主动或被动。

Exactly. Very much so. So why podcasting as opposed to doing something

确切地。非常如此。 那么为什么播客而不是

in front of a camera, I wonder? Uhm, again, I think the barrier to entry is

在镜头前 做一些事情 ，我想知道？ 嗯，我认为

much lower for a podcast. All we had to do was purchas some microphones.

播客的进入门槛要低得多。我们所要做的就是购买一些麦克风。

And I just had to go in and figure out, OK, what platform are we going to use to upload

我只需要进去弄清楚，好的，我们要使用什么平台来上传

our podcast. And I… I love podcasting. I… I… I also

我们的播客。而我……我喜欢播客。我……我……我也

enjoy audiobooks. But I've kind of transitioned into just listening to a lot of different

喜欢有声读物。但我有点转变为只听很多不同的

podcasts. And I don’t know, it's just I just love

播客。我不知道，只是我太喜欢

that medium so much. And I… I think YouTube kind of requires your, you know more of your

这种媒介了。而且我……我认为 YouTube 有点需要您的

attention. But you know, I can do chores around the house

关注。 但是你知道，我可以边

and vacuum and mop the floors while I listen to a podcast.

听播客边 做家务 、吸尘和拖地。

But that's a little harder to do while watching a YouTube video and so, and I'm 45 years old,

但在观看 YouTube 视频时这样做有点困难，所以我已经 45 岁了，

so I kind of missed the boat when it comes to.

所以我有点错过了机会。

No, no. Right. No, no. You don't get to throw that card down. Not, not, not with this audience.

不，不。正确的。不，不。你不能扔掉那张卡片。不，不，不对这些观众。

I'm sorry. You can keep that for your for your classroom students.

对不起。你可以把它留给你的课堂学生。

So what does the future hold that in terms of content, maybe you can tell us about the

那么，就内容而言，未来会怎样，也许你可以告诉我们你

most recent episode that you did and maybe some something that you have coming up soon.

最近做的一集，也许你很快就会做一些事情。

Well, actually, Kevin doesn't even know about this because I just created something called

好吧，实际上，凯文甚至不知道这件事，因为我刚刚创建了一个叫做

Jack Chats and yeah. I'm looking at oh OK yeah, yeah.

Jack Chats 的东西，是的。我在看哦，好的，是的，是的。

Steve here mentioned that a second ago and I was like, what is that?

史蒂夫在这里提到了一秒钟前，我当时想，那是什么？

This is new. Jack shot.

这是新的。杰克开枪。

News for you, Kevin, I… I was watching your facial expression when Jack said. Actually,

给你的消息，凯文，我……当杰克说的时候，我正在看着你的面部表情。事实上，

Kevin doesn't know about this. And you, you had this wonderfully blank stare. A wonderful

凯文并不知道这件事。而你，你的眼神非常空洞。一个美妙的

blank stare on your face. So wait, now I'm curious.

空白凝视在你的脸上。所以等等，现在我很好奇。

I knew more about the podcast for a brief moment than Kevin did.

我对播客的了解比凯文还多。

So it seems. Jack, what is this? What is this secret?

所以它看起来。杰克，这是什么？这是什么秘密？

OK. So, OK. New project of yours. This is great.

好的。那么好吧。你的新项目。这很棒。

Well, we it because we have three members of our, you know, 3 hosts of our show.

好吧，我们这样做是因为我们有 3 名成员，你知道，我们节目的 3 位主持人。

One actually lives in the United States. Kevin and I are in Korea. We're all busy and

一个实际上住在美国。凯文和我在韩国。我们都很忙，

our schedules are crazy. But we're trying to build up more content.

我们的日程安排很疯狂。但我们正在努力建立更多的内容。

And so something that I wanted to do was to try a solo podcast where I'm just created.

因此，我想做的就是尝试在我刚创建的地方制作个人播客。

I just do like a… it's almost…. it's almost like, a confessional kind of thing where I

我只是喜欢……它几乎……。这几乎就像是一种忏悔，我

just share some of my ideas, things that are happening in my life, uhm, things that might

只是分享我的一些想法，我生活中发生的事情，嗯，

be happening in the World News or something that somebody mentioned in the WhatsApp group.

世界新闻中可能发生的事情或 WhatsApp 组中有人提到的事情。

I might talk about that. And it's just me basically in front of my

我可能会谈谈那个。基本上只有我在

mic. Just kind of… stream of consciousness for 10 or 15 minutes. A nd I just wanted to

麦克风前。只是有点……意识流 10 或 15 分钟。我只是想

upload that and give students something if they're craving content in between our three

上传它并给学生一些东西，如果他们渴望

episodes that we release during the week, because we release episodes basically Sunday,

我们在一周内发布的三集之间的内容，因为我们基本上在周日、

Tuesdays and Thursdays. But if they were looking for something just to kind of satiate that

周二和周四发布剧集。但如果他们只是在寻找某种东西来满足那种

urge to listen, I'm going to throw up on Monday, Wednesday and Friday Jack Chats.

想听的冲动，我将在周一、周三和周五吐槽 Jack Chats。

And of course, it could be a Kevin chat or a Xochitl chat or a Jack and Kevin chat. It's

当然，它可以是 Kevin 聊天、Xochitl 聊天或 Jack 和 Kevin 聊天。这是

a… it's not just mine. A Steve Chat is that may be in the cards in

一个……它不仅仅是我的。 Steve Chat 是

the future? I'm sorry, one more time.

未来可能出现的吗？对不起，再来一次。

A Steve chat? Is that a possibility? Absolutely, Steve, you. You are always welcome

史蒂夫聊天？有这种可能吗？当然，史蒂夫，你。随时欢迎

to. Do not give me a microphone. That is your

您。不要给我麦克风。那是你

biggest mistake. I'll talk for hours. Well, that's the great thing about A-Z Podcast’s

最大的错误。我会讲几个小时。好吧，AZ Podcast 的伟大之处

is that S is between A&Z. So Steve, Steve fits right in.

在于 S 位于 A&Z 之间。所以史蒂夫，史蒂夫正好适合。

Perfect. There… there you go.

完美。好了……好了。

So we're talking, then for the students, for your audience, you're talking. It was three

所以我们在说话，那么对于学生，对于你的听众，你在说话。原来是

episodes a week, but now we're looking at upwards of four or five, possibly more episodes

每周三集，但现在我们正在看四五集

a week in the future? What I'm hoping to do is to do 3 Jack chats

，未来可能会更多？我希望做的是进行 3 次 Jack 聊天

or you know, solo chats. And then three of our regular episodes.

，或者你知道的，单独聊天。然后是我们的三个常规剧集。

And that will give students six days of content during the week and you know just to keep

这将在一周内为学生提供六天的内容，你知道只是为了保持

that momentum going as we're… we're s young podcast and I mean. The… the market is saturated.

这种势头，因为我们……我们是年轻的播客，我的意思是。 ……市场已经饱和。

Sure. I mean it's just you, you work so hard and

当然。我的意思是只有你，你工作如此努力，

you kind of hit this this glass ceiling and trying to break through any way you can. You

你有点撞到了这个玻璃天花板，并试图以任何方式突破。你

have to kind of throw everything, including the kitchen sink, you know, at it on in order

必须扔掉所有东西，包括厨房水槽，你知道，为了

to try to, you know, break through to the next level.

尝试，你知道，突破到一个新的水平。

So that's kind of where we are right now. And so we're just trying, trying everything,

这就是我们现在所处的位置。所以我们只是在尝试，尝试一切，

yeah. And I think I'm going to have to listen to

是的。而且我想我也将不得不听听

some of these Jack chats as well. I knew, I knew, I knew there was a passive

杰克的一些谈话。我知道，我知道，我知道

aggressive comment coming in the very near future.

在不久的将来会有一个被动的攻击性评论。

I'm just curious. I want to know what Jack is thinking. He's a friend of mine, so get

我只是好奇。我想知道杰克在想什么。他是我的朋友，所以

some more insight into… into the mind of Jack.

更深入地了解……了解杰克的想法。

Hey, there you go. Stay tuned, stay tuned for episode one of

嘿，给你。敬请期待，敬请

Kevin Chats coming up in the near future. The rebuttal chats.

期待即将在不久的将来播出的 Kevin Chats 第一集。反驳聊天。

Yeah, well, Jack, did you know actually? Now, have you introduced this to your students

是的，杰克，你真的知道吗？ 现在， 您在大学课堂上 向您的学生介绍过这个

in your in your university classrooms? Have they given you any feedback? Any ideas on

吗？ 他们给你任何反馈了吗？

what they think about this project? As a matter of fact, I actually just did last

他们对这个项目的看法有什么 想法 吗？ 事实上，我实际上

week. Uhm, I framed it in a way that it, to be kind of diplomatic about it, you know,

上周才做的。嗯，我把它框起来的方式有点外交，你知道，

I wasn't like, if you want an A in my class, you have to download, you know, 10 podcasts.

我不是这样的，如果你想在我的课上得 A，你必须下载，你知道，10 个播客。

Right. Listen to my podcast.

正确的。听我的播客。

Wink, wink. Yeah, exactly.

眨眼眨眼。是的，完全正确。

But I do think that what we are doing is creating useful content that students could find very

但我确实认为我们正在做的是创造有用的内容，学生们会觉得这些内容非常

helpful. And so I just put it up there on the on the

有帮助。所以我只是把它放在

whiteboard for my students to say, hey, if you guys are looking for, you know, some supplementary

白板上，让我的学生说，嘿，如果你们正在寻找一些补充

material. We've got these episodes, they're easy to

材料。我们有这些剧集，它们很容易

listen to, you can stream it right off of our website and it's very much related to

听，你可以直接从我们的网站上播放它，它与

what we are studying in our… in our book. So I do put it out there, but I'm very careful

我们在我们的……在我们的书中学习 的内容非常相关 。 所以我确实把它放在那里，但我非常小心

to say, Hey this is just another opportunity for you to do self study but because I think

地说，嘿，这只是你自学的另一个机会，但因为我认为

it can get it can get a little dicey eat if you if you're too pushy with it.

它可以得到它可以得到一点冒险如果你太爱出风头。

Yeah, right. Well, that's kind of the way it goes in Canada,

是的，对。好吧，

where I'm from – buy my book. That’s par for the coarse.

在我来自的加拿大，情况就是这样——买我的书。这是粗糙的标准。

Yeah, yeah. My book, but that's par for the course. Kevin,

是啊。我的书，但那是课程的标准。凯文，

what are some ideas maybe that you've had for… for future episodes? Some… some content

你对……未来的剧集有什么想法？一些……一些

that you'd like to introduce. You do the idioms now, you do some grammar

你想介绍的内容。你现在做成语，你现在做一些语法

episodes now. Any other avenues you'd like to pursue?

情节。您想追求的任何其他途径？

Well, so I'm not really big into social media very much, but our third member, Xochitl,

好吧，所以我不太喜欢社交媒体，但是我们的第三位成员 Xochitl

who isn't here, unfortunately right now she's very into social media and she was saying

不在这里，不幸的是，她现在非常喜欢社交媒体，她说

that she wants to start a TikTok for us. Oh, dear.

她想为我们创建一个 TikTok。哦亲爱的。

Yeah, and I'm not into. Yeah, quick, tell Jack what TikTok is.

是的，我不喜欢。是的，快，告诉杰克什么是 TikTok。

It obviously has something to do with the clock, right?

这显然与时钟有关，对吧？

So I know. And I don't do TikTok. I don't do social media. So I want to leave that up

所以我知道。而且我不做 TikTok。我不做社交媒体。所以我想把它留给

to, but I was thinking I could still record videos and send that to her and she could

，但我想我仍然可以录制视频并将其发送给她，她可以

upload them. And one thing that many of our listeners have

上传它们。我们的许多听众都说过的一件事

said is that I speak very quickly. Right now, I'm trying to remember to speak slowly for

是我说话很快。现在，我正在努力记住

all the listeners tonight. And so I was thinking it could be very fun

今晚要对所有听众讲得慢一点。所以我想

for me to record some Yongue Twister TikToks. That's oddities.

录制一些 Yongue Twister TikToks 对我来说会很有趣。那是异想天开。

OK. Basically where you know 'cause, uh, TikTok

好的。基本上你知道的地方，因为，呃，TikTok

is a short 10-20-thirty second video of me just doing some English tongue twisters as

是一个 10-20-30 秒的短视频，我只是尽可能快地做一些英语绕口令

fast as possible and then challenging our… our audience, our listeners to… to mimic

，然后挑战我们的……我们的观众，我们的听众……模仿

me. So I was thinking that could be fun.

我。所以我在想这可能很有趣。

What? What would the first tick tock tongue twister video be then? I'm going to put you

什么？那么第一个 tick tock 绕口令视频会是什么？我现在就把你

on the spot right now. Right, right now. Well, I mean, one that I

放在现场。对的，现在。好吧，我的意思是，当然，我

always practiced as a kid, of course, is Robbie rubber baby buggy bumpers. It was a fun one.

小时候经常练习的是 Robbie 橡胶婴儿车保险杠。这是一个有趣的。

Or fuzzy wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy wuzzy,

或者模糊 wuzzy 是一只熊。 Fuzzy wuzzy 没有头发。 Fuzzy wuzzy 不是很模糊，

was he? Are… are very fun ones and I think it could

是吗？是……非常有趣，我认为这可能

be interesting 'cause every language has unique sounds.

很有趣，因为每种语言都有独特的发音。

A nd in English we've got those Zs and the Vs, which I know other languages don't have.

在英语中我们有那些 Z 和 V，我知道其他语言没有。

And tongue twisters are a great way for people to practice pronunciation. I mean, I practiced

而绕口令是人们练习发音的好方法。我的意思是，我小时候练习

English tongue twisters when I was a kid. And it helped me in my English pronunciation.

英语绕口令。它对我的英语发音有帮助。

It could help anyone as well. So if I could give examples of saying it slowly, kind of

它也可以帮助任何人。因此，如果我可以举例说慢一点、

fast and then very fast, it could be fun for me, fun for them. And something that people

快一点、然后非常快，这对我来说很有趣，对他们来说也很有趣。人们

could… could copy. You mentioned uh. A Facebook page or a Facebook

可以……可以复制的东西。你提到了呃。 几分钟前

group a few moments ago. Could you elaborate on that a little bit please?

的 Facebook 页面或 Facebook 群组。 你能详细说明一下吗？

Yeah, so before Xochitl joined our… our podcast team, I was kind of handling the social

是的，所以在 Xochitl 加入我们的……我们的播客团队之前

media poorly, I would say. I did the best I could, but we do have a Facebook page called

，我会说我对社交媒体的处理有点糟糕。我已尽力而为，但我们确实有一个名为

the A-Z. I'm sorry, I'll say that a little bit more slowly. The A-Z English podcast and

AZ 的 Facebook 页面。对不起，我会说得慢一点。 AZ 英语播客和

I try to upload all of our all of our videos like we have a video for, we have a YouTube

我尝试上传我们所有的视频，就像我们有视频一样，我们有一个 YouTube

channel. And we also, so we do make videos, but we don't put our actual video on

频道。我们也是，所以我们制作视频，但我们不会将我们的实际视频放在

Gotcha. Yeah. So some people like to listen on YouTube and

Gotcha 上。是的。所以有些人喜欢在 YouTube 上收听，

that's a… a large segment of people that are just, you know, that just don't aren't

那是……很大一部分人只是，你知道，只是不喜欢

into the podcast thing. And so we put that into Facebook as well. And, um, we Xochitel,wWe

播客。所以我们也把它放到了 Facebook 上。而且，嗯，我们 Xochitel，我们

have an Instagram as well.

也有 Instagram。

And… and our Twitter is not yet up and running. You know, I'm still waiting to see if Elon

而且……我们的 Twitter 还没有启动和运行。 你知道， 在我决定之前 ，我还在等着看 Elon Musk 是否

Musk purchases it or not before I decide. Sure, well if, if, he said, he would, he'd

购买它。 当然，好吧，如果，如果，他说，他会，他

probably back out and, you know, maybe a couple of weeks later.

可能会退出，你知道，也许几周后。

Right, right. I… I'll, I'll just wait. I'm, I'm holding off on that one.

是的是的。我……我会，我会等。我是，我正在推迟那个。

But yeah, so we're… we're really trying to do more social media stuff. But you can

但是，是的，所以我们……我们真的在尝试做更多社交媒体的事情。但是你可以

watch or, sorry, you can listen to the podcast on Facebook, YouTube. Uhm, but I think the

观看，或者抱歉，你可以在 Facebook、YouTube 上收听播客。嗯，但我认为

best places to go to our website and just stream it there. Because that's where the

最好的地方是访问我们的网站并在那里进行流式传输。因为那是

study guide is, so, yeah. But we're on all the major platforms, so you

学习指南所在的地方，所以，是的。但我们在所有主要平台上都有，所以你

can find us on Apple Podcast. Spotify, Apple…

可以在 Apple 播客上找到我们。 Spotify、Apple……

You have Spotify, S titcher, all those. Very good. Alright. So give us the big sales

你有 Spotify、S titcher，所有这些。很好。好吧。 因此，

pitch before we wrap up our conversation today. Why should a student of the English language

在我们结束今天的谈话之前， 请给我们一个大的推销 机会。 为什么学习英语的学生应该

listen to the A-Z English podcast? Kev, you're the… the com major with a masters

收听 AZ 英语播客？ Kev，你是……拥有硕士学位的计算机

degree. Knock it out. So you should come and listen to A-Z because

专业。干掉它。所以你应该来听 AZ，因为

we love podcasting. We love what we do. We've been teaching for

我们喜欢播客。我们热爱我们的工作。我们已经教

a really long time and we have a p retty good idea of how to share how to explain the ideas

了很长时间，我们非常清楚如何分享如何解释

that we want. And we're here to listen to your ideas as well, and your comments and

我们想要的想法。我们也来这里听取您的想法，以及您的意见和

your feedback. So A-Z English is good practice for you to listen and to interact with us.

反馈。因此，AZ English 是您聆听和与我们互动的良好练习。

And where else can you? Where else can you do that for free on the Internet?

你还能去哪里？在 Internet 上还有什么地方可以免费做到这一点？

Right. As someone who's worked in media for a long

正确的。作为一个在媒体工作了很

time, I can tell when I'm listening to someone who is really into what they are doing and

长时间的人，我可以分辨出我在听什么时候真正投入到他们正在做的事情的人和什么时候

someone who is just kind of mailing it in and so to speak.

只是邮寄它的人，可以这么说。

Yes, so that said, when I listen to… to your podcast, the two of you with your partner,

是的，所以说，当我听……你的播客时，你们两个和你的搭档，

I can tell, I can hear it. You really, really enjoy what you're doing. And that is enough

我可以说，我可以听到。你真的，真的很享受你正在做的事情。这足以

for me to make me want to listen to it. If I… if you're into it, that's going to make

让我想听它。如果我……如果你喜欢它，那会让

your students into it. And… and… and… that's… and that's a good place to start.

你的学生喜欢上它。而且……而且……而且……那是……这是一个很好的起点。

So well done. Congratulations on the three months that you've done.

干得好。恭喜你完成了三个月的工作。

Thanks, Steve. So far, yeah.

谢谢，史蒂夫。到目前为止，是的。

Thank you very much. Absolute ly.

非常感谢。绝对地。

Jack McBain and Kevin Mitchell. You can find their podcast A to Z English podcast. So that's

杰克麦克贝恩和凯文米切尔。您可以找到他们的播客 A 到 Z 英语播客。那是

atozenglishpodcast.com, right? And that's all one word put together?

atozenglishpodcast.com，对吧？这就是一个词放在一起？

That's right. Yeah, very good. You can also use that as

这是正确的。是的，非常好。您还可以将其用作

a kind of a doorway over to their Facebook group. You can join that. You can also join…what

进入其 Facebook 群组的一种途径。你可以加入那个。你也可以加入……

am I missing here? The WhatsApp group Link is right there on

我在这里错过了什么？ WhatsApp 群组链接也在

the website as well. Perfect, so just go to the website and all

网站上。太好了，只要访问该网站，

the information you need is right there. One stop shop.

您需要的所有信息就在那里。一站式商店。

Fantastic. Once again atozenglishpodcast.com. Jack McBain and Kevin Mitchell, thank you

极好的。再次访问 zenglishpodcast.com。杰克·麦克贝恩和凯文·米切尔，非常感谢你们

so much for joining me on Speak English fluently. And once again, congratulations on your success

加入我的《说一口流利的英语》节目。再次祝贺你

so far and I wish you nothing but more success in the future.

迄今为止取得的成功，我希望你在未来取得更大的成功。

Oh, that's great. Thank you very much, Steve. Awesome, guys.

哦，太好了。非常感谢你，史蒂夫。太棒了，伙计们。

Yeah. Thanks for having us. Have a great night. Bye, bye.

是的。感谢有我们。祝你有个美好的夜晚。再见。

OK. Bye.

好的。再见。