The case for fish farming | Mike Velings

譯者: Hao-Ming Chang 審譯者: Wink Wong

So I come from the tallest people on the planet --

我來自地球最高人種的國家--

the Dutch.

荷蘭。

It hasn't always been this way.

但不是只有荷蘭這樣。

In fact, all across the globe, people have been gaining height.

事實上，全世界的人都在長高。

過去的 150 年，

In the last 150 years,

in developed countries,

在已開發國家中，

on average, we have gotten 10 centimeters taller.

我們身高平均已經多了 10 公分。

And scientists have a lot of theories about why this is,

而科學家有很多有關於這方面的理論，

but almost all of them involve nutrition,

但它們大部分都與營養有關，

namely the increase of dairy and meat.

換句話說就是奶類與肉類。

In the last 50 years,

在過去的 50 年，

global meat consumption has more than quadrupled,

全球肉類的消費增長已經超過 4 倍，

from 71 million tons to 310 million tons.

從七千一百萬萬噸 上升到三億一千萬噸。

Something similar has been going on with milk and eggs.

牛奶和雞蛋也有相同的情況。

In every society where incomes have risen, so has protein consumption.

在每個收入增加的社會， 蛋白質的消耗量也跟著增加。

And we know that globally, we are getting richer.

我們知道全世界的人越來越有錢。

And as the middle class is on the rise, so is our global population,

當中產階級人口上升， 全球的人口也跟著上升，

from 7 billion of us today to 9.7 billion by 2050,

到2050年之前，全球人口會從 70 億增加到 97 億。

which means that by 2050,

也就是說，在 2050 年前，

we are going to need at least 70 percent more protein

我們需要的蛋白質

than what is available to humankind today.

比現在供應給全人類的至少多出70％。

And the latest prediction of the UN puts that population number,

根據聯合國的最新預測，

到這個世紀末，人口數量會來到110億，

by the end of this century, at 11 billion,

which means that we are going to need a lot more protein.

意思就是我們會需要 相當多的蛋白質。

這個挑戰很驚人--

This challenge is staggering --

so much so, that recently,

這麼的多，所以最近，

a team at Anglia Ruskin Global Sustainability Institute suggested

安格利亞魯斯金的 全球可持續發展研究所的一個小組表示，

that if we don't change our global policies

如果我們不改變

and food production systems,

我們全球食物生產的政策，

our societies might actually collapse in the next 30 years.

我們的社會在下一個 30 年 也許真的會崩潰。

Currently, our ocean serves as the main source of animal protein.

目前，我們的海洋是 動物性蛋白質的主要來源。

Over 2.6 billion people depend on it every single day.

超過 26 億人口，每天都要依賴它生活。

與此同時，

At the same time,

our global fisheries are two-and-a-half times larger

我們目前的全球漁穫

than what our oceans can sustainably support,

是我們海洋可持續 供應量的兩倍半。

meaning that humans take far more fish from the ocean

意思就是，人類從海洋取得的漁穫

遠遠超過 海洋本身的自然替換量。

than the oceans can naturally replace.

WWF recently published a report showing that just in the last 40 years,

WWF 世界野生動物基金會 最近發表一篇報告指出近 40 年，

our global marine life has been slashed in half.

全球海洋生物數量已經被削減了一半。

And another recent report suggests that of our largest predatory species,

另外最新一份報告表示， 我們最大的捕食性魚類，

such as swordfish and bluefin tuna,

像是劍魚和藍鰭鮪魚，

over 90 percent has disappeared since the 1950s.

從1950年代以來，超過 90% 已經消失。

And there are a lot of great, sustainable fishing initiatives across the planet

全球有很多規模很大， 可持續水產創業家

working towards better practices and better-managed fisheries.

正朝更好的實務經驗與漁業管理邁進。

But ultimately,

但最終，

all of these initiatives are working towards keeping current catch constant.

這些業者若一直 保持不變的漁獲量繼續捕撈，

It's unlikely,

那麼，

even with the best-managed fisheries,

即使有最好的漁業管理，

that we are going to be able to take much more from the ocean

我們也不太可能從海洋捕獲

than we do today.

比現今更多的漁獲量。

We have to stop plundering our oceans the way we have.

我們必須停止用同樣的方式 掠奪我們的海洋，

We need to alleviate the pressure on it.

我們必須減輕海洋的壓力。

And we are at a point

我們現在正在一個轉捩點上，

如果我們為了更多的魚獲量 而拼命捕獲，

where if we push much harder for more produce,

we might face total collapse.

可能會面臨全面性的崩盤。

Our current systems are not going to feed a growing global population.

我們目前的系統無法滿足 全球持續成長的人口。

So how do we fix this?

所以，我們要如何修正呢？

What's the world going to look like in just 35 short years

如果多出的 27 億人口， 享用同樣的資源，

when there's 2.7 billion more of us sharing the same resources?

那麼往後的35年，世界會變怎麼樣？

We could all become vegan.

我們可以都變成素食者。

Sounds like a great idea,

聽起來這主意不錯，

but it's not realistic

但不實際，

and it's impossibly hard to mandate globally.

而且根本不可能命令全世界人食素。

People are eating animal protein whether we like it or not.

不管我們喜不喜歡， 人們仍舊食用動物性蛋白。

And suppose we fail to change our ways

假設我們不改變我們的方式，

and continue on the current path,

繼續走原路，

failing to meet demands.

那肯定無法滿足需求。

The World Health Organization recently reported

WHO 全球衛生組織最近報告，

that 800 million people are suffering from malnutrition and food shortage,

目前有 8 億人口正苦於 營養不良與食物短缺。

which is due to that same growing, global population

原因就是不斷成長的全球人口，

and the declining access to resources like water, energy and land.

及可用資源的下降， 像是水、能源、土地。

It takes very little imagination

用點想像力，就可以描繪出，

to picture a world of global unrest, riots and further malnutrition.

一個動盪、暴亂和更多營養不良的世界。

People are hungry,

人們受飢餓，

and we are running dangerously low on natural resources.

而且，我們的自然資源快要用完。

For so, so many reasons,

因此，這麼多的原因，

we need to change our global food production systems.

我們必須改變全球的食物生產系統。

We must do better

我們必須做得更好，

and there is a solution.

而且有一個解決方案。

And that solution lies in aquaculture --

而這個解決方案就是水產養殖--

the farming of fish, plants like seaweed, shellfish and crustaceans.

養殖魚類、像海藻植物、 貝類和甲殼類動物。

As the great ocean hero Jacques Cousteau once said,

偉大的海洋英雄 Jacques Cousteau 曾經說過，

"We must start using the ocean as farmers instead of hunters.

「我們現在對待海洋必須像個 農夫一樣，而不是獵人。

That's what civilization is all about -- farming instead of hunting."

這是身為公民應該做的事-- 養殖取代捕撈。」

Fish is the last food that we hunt.

魚類是我們最後才能獵殺的食物。

And why is it that we keep hearing phrases like,

而為什麼我們一直聽到這些話，像是，

"Life's too short for farmed fish,"

" 生命如此短促，不值得去養魚。"

or, "Wild-caught, of course!"

或者 " 當然要野生捕捉！"

over fish that we know virtually nothing about?

魚的一生，我們幾乎都不懂吧？

We don't know what it ate during its lifetime,

我們不知道它這一生中，吃了甚麼，

and we don't know what pollution it encounters.

我們也不知道，它受到了甚麼污染，

And if it was a large predatory species,

如果它是大型的肉食種類，

it might have gone through the coast of Fukushima yesterday.

它很有可能昨天才剛經過 日本福島的海岸。

We don't know.

我們不知道，

Very few people realize

很少人知道

the traceability in fisheries never goes beyond the hunter

漁業的追蹤技術永遠追不上

that caught the wild animal.

獵人打獵的技術技術。

But let's back up for a second

讓我們回到剛剛提到的話題，

and talk about why fish is the best food choice.

並講一下為甚麼魚是最好的食物選擇？

It's healthy,

它對人類身體健康有益，

it prevents heart disease,

可以避免心臟疾病，

it provides key amino acids

也是提供氨基酸的主要主要來源，

and key fatty acids like Omega-3s,

和主要脂肪酸 例如Omega-3 ，

which is very different from almost any other type of meat.

與其他種類的肉非常不一樣，

And aside from being healthy,

更不用說吃了會健康，

it's also a lot more exciting and diverse.

而且它種類繁多，生氣勃勃。

Think about it -- most animal farming is pretty monotonous.

思考一下--大部分畜牧業 都非常雷同單調乏味，

Cow is cow, sheep is sheep, pig's pig,

牛就是牛、羊就是羊、豬就是豬，

and poultry -- turkey, duck, chicken -- pretty much sums it up.

和家禽--火雞、鴨、雞-- 幾乎就是這幾樣而已。

And then there's 500 species of fish being farmed currently.

但目前大約有500種魚類被養殖著。

not that Western supermarkets reflect that on their shelves,

並非西方社會超級市場架上 展示的那一些產品，

but that's beside that point.

但這不是重點。

And you can farm fish in a very healthy manner

你可以用非常健康的方式養殖魚類，

that's good for us, good for the planet and good for the fish.

這對我們是有益的、 對地球跟魚類都是好的。

我知道我聽起來像個魚痴--

I know I sound fish-obsessed --

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Let me explain:

讓我解釋一下：

My brilliant partner and wife, Amy Novograntz, and I got involved

我聰明的太太，Amy Novograntz 和我，

in aquaculture a couple of years ago.

幾年前一起踏入水產養殖業。

We were inspired by Sylvia Earle,

我們是受 Sylvia Earle 啟發，

who won the TED Prize in 2009.

她是 2009 年TED的年度獲獎者。

We actually met on Mission Blue I in the Galapagos.

我們實際是在 Galapagos 的 藍色 1 號任務相識。

Amy was there as the TED Prize Director;

Amy是 TED 獎項的負責人；

me, an entrepreneur from the Netherlands and concerned citizen,

我，一個來自荷蘭的企業家，關心社會的公民，

love to dive, passion for the oceans.

喜歡潛水、熱愛海洋。

Mission Blue truly changed our lives.

藍色任務真的改變了我們的生命，

We fell in love,

我們相戀、

got married

結婚，

and we came away really inspired,

一路走來我們備受鼓舞，

thinking we really want to do something about ocean conservation --

並很想為 海洋保護做點事情，

something that was meant to last,

一些可足夠維持、

that could make a real difference

能真正改變的事情，

and something that we could do together.

一些我們可以一起做的事情。

Little did we expect that that would lead us to fish farming.

沒想到這會引領 我們來到魚類養殖的領域。

But a few months after we got off the boat,

但我們下船後幾個月，

we got to a meeting at Conservation International,

出席國際保護協會的一個聚會，

where the Director General of WorldFish was talking about aquaculture,

會上世界漁業總局的局長進行一次有關水產養殖的演講，

asking a room full of environmentalists to stop turning from it,

要求場內眾多的環保人仕不要迴避這個議題，

realize what was going on

先了解發生了甚麼事，

and to really get involved

然後再投入參與，

because aquaculture has the potential

因為水產養殖有潛力

to be just what our oceans and populations need.

同時滿足大海與人類的需求。

We were stunned when we heard the stats

當我們聽到數字時，嚇了一跳，

that we didn't know more about this industry already

我們不知道這個產業 已經到達這種種況，

and excited about the chance to help get it right.

而且對幫助這個產業 扶正感到相當興奮。

談到統計數字--

And to talk about stats --

right now, the amount of fish consumed globally,

目前，全球魚類的消費，

wild catch and farmed combined,

包括野生獵捕與養殖的，

is twice the tonnage of the total amount of beef

去年全球的總噸數是牛肉的兩倍，

produced on planet earth last year.

Every single fishing vessel combined,

全球的捕漁船， 不管小的、大的加總起來

small and large, across the globe,

每年共要捕撈野生海鮮 6500 萬噸供全人類消費。

together produce about 65 million tons of wild-caught seafood

for human consumption.

Aquaculture this year,

養殖漁業今年的產量，

for the first time in history,

從有歷史紀錄以來，

actually produces more than what we catch from the wild.

第一次突破我們從海洋捕撈的總量。

But now this:

但現在是這樣：

Demand is going to go up.

需求一直上升，

In the next 35 years,

在未來的 35 年，

we are going to need an additional 85 million tons to meet demand,

我們還需要額外的 8500 萬公噸來滿足需求，

which is one-and-a-half times as much, almost,

差不多是 1.5 倍於

as what we catch globally out of our oceans.

我們從全球海洋捕撈的總重量，

An enormous number.

相當大的數字，

It's safe to assume that that's not going to come from the ocean.

可以肯定這些捕撈量不可能全部來自海洋。

It needs to come from farming.

它需要來自養殖。

And talk about farming --

而談到養殖業--

for farming you need resources.

養殖也需要資源。

As a human needs to eat to grow and stay alive,

就像人類，需要每天吃東西 長大維持生命一樣，

so does an animal.

所以動物也一樣。

A cow needs to eat eight to nine pounds of feed

一隻牛需要吃 8~9 磅 的飼料，

and drink almost 8,000 liters of water

以及 8000 公升的水，

to create just one pound of meat.

才能產出 1 磅的肉。

Experts agree that it's impossible

專家同意

to farm cows for every inhabitant on this planet.

利用養牛的方式來滿足全球的需求是不可能的。

We just don't have enough feed or water.

我們根本沒有足夠的飼料與水源。

And we can't keep cutting down rain forests for it.

而且我們不能因此而砍掉 雨林來滿足這個需求。

And fresh water -- planet earth has a very limited supply.

還有新鮮的水-- 地球能提供的量相當有限。

We need something more efficient

我們需要更高效率的東西

to keep humankind alive on this planet.

來讓地球的人類生存。

And now let's compare that with fish farming.

現在，讓我們用這個 與水產養殖做比較。

You can farm one pound of fish with just one pound of feed,

你養殖一磅的魚只需要一磅的飼料，

and depending on species, even less.

視乎不同的種類，有的甚至需要更少。

And why is that?

為什麼會這樣？

Well, that's because fish, first of all, float.

嗯，因為魚畢竟是用飄浮的。

They don't need to stand around all day resisting gravity like we do.

不用整天像我們一樣站立，需要對抗地心引力。

And most fish are cold-blooded --

而且大部分的魚屬於冷血動物--

they don't need to heat themselves.

牠們不需要自己䐘起來。

Fish chills.

魚~冷!

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And it needs very little water,

而它只要非常少量的水，

which is counterintuitive,

這是違反常理，

but as we say,

但如我們所說的，

it swims in it but it hardly drinks it.

它在水裡游，幾乎不喝水的。

Fish are the most resource-efficient animal protein available to humankind,

除了昆蟲，

魚也是人類攝取蛋白質 最有資源效率的食物。

aside from insects.

How much we've learned since.

我們目前了解多少？

For example, on top of that 65 million tons that's annually caught

例如，除了每年有6500萬噸的捕撈

for human consumption,

供人類食用㚈

there's an additional 30 million tons caught for animal feed,

還有另外300萬噸的捕撈供動物飼料，

mostly sardines and anchovies for the aquaculture industry

大部分的沙丁魚和鳳尾魚， 是供水產養殖業用的，

that's turned into fish meal and fish oil.

但現在轉變成魚粉和魚油。

This is madness.

這太瘋狂了。

Sixty-five percent of these fisheries, globally, are badly managed.

全球 65% 的這些補魚業者， 大部分都管理不好。

Some of the worst issues of our time are connected to it.

我們這世代最糟糕的事件都與他們有關。

It's destroying our oceans.

他們會毀掉我們的海洋。

The worst slavery issues imaginable are connected to it.

想像到的最駭人的 奴工事件都與他們有關。

Recently, an article came out of Stanford

最近，一篇來自史丹福大學的文章

saying that if 50 percent of the world's aquaculture industry

指出，如果 50% 的全球水產養殖業者

would stop using fish meal,

可以停止使用魚粉，

our oceans would be saved.

我們的海洋就有救了。

Now think about that for a minute.

現在，思考一下。

Now, we know that the oceans have far more problems --

我們知道海洋有一大堆問題--

they have pollution, there's acidification,

有污染、有酸化、

coral reef destruction and so on.

珊瑚礁破壞...等等。

But it underlines the impact of our fisheries,

但它突顯了對我們漁業的影響、

and it underlines how interconnected everything is.

它也突顯了對每件事 相互牽連的的影響。

Fisheries, aquaculture, deforestation,

漁業、水產養殖、森林濫伐、

climate change, food security and so on.

氣候變化、食物安全...等等。

In the search for alternatives,

魚產業為了尋找替代品，

the industry, on a massive scale,

大規模地

has reverted to plant-based alternatives

已經恢復到以植物為基礎的替代品，

like soy, industrial chicken waste,

像是大豆、產業雞糞、

blood meal from slaughterhouses

來自屠宰場的血粉

and so on.

...等等。

And we understand where these choices come from,

而我們知道這些選擇來自哪裡，

but this is not the right approach.

但這不是正確的方法，

It's not sustainable,

這樣不穩定。

it's not healthy.

不健康。

Have you ever seen a chicken at the bottom of the ocean?

你有看過雞在海底的嗎？

Of course not.

當然沒有，

If you feed salmon soy with nothing else,

如果你只餵大豆給鮭魚吃，

it literally explodes.

它會直接爆炸。

Salmon is a carnivore,

因為鮭魚是肉食性動物，

it has no way to digest soy.

他沒有辦法消化大豆。

Now, fish farming is by far

目前為止，魚類養殖是人類

the best animal farming available to humankind.

最佳的動物養殖方式。

But it's had a really bad reputation.

但是聲譽欠佳，

There's been excessive use of chemicals,

過量使用化學品，

there's been virus and disease transfered to wild populations,

已經把病毒和疾病傳染給野生的動種、

ecosystem destruction and pollution,

做成生態破壞和污染，

escaped fish breeding with wild populations,

逃避使用野生物種進行餵食

altering the overall genetic pool,

改變了整體的基因庫、

and then of course, as just mentioned,

然後，當然，如剛剛提的，

the unsustainable feed ingredients.

不穩定的餵食成分。

How blessed were the days

當我們可以享受盤裡的美食時，

when we could just enjoy food that was on our plate,

那會是多麼幸福的一天啊！

whatever it was.

無論它是甚麼都沒關係！

Once you know, you know.

一但你懂、你了解。

You can't go back.

你就回不去了、

It's not fun.

這並不好笑。

We really need a transparent food system that we can trust,

我們需要一個值得信賴的 透明食物系統。

that produces healthy food.

可以生產健康食品。

But the good news is

但，好消息是，

that decades of development and research

幾十年來的研究發展

have led to a lot of new technologies and knowledge

已經創造了很多的新科技及知識，

that allow us to do a lot better.

可以讓我們做得更好。

We can now farm fish without any of these issues.

我們現在可以無後顧之憂的養殖魚類。

I think of agriculture before the green revolution --

我在綠色革命之前就思考過水產養殖--

we are at aquaculture and the blue revolution.

我們正處在水產業及藍色革命的點上。

New technologies means

新的科技技術意味著，

that we can now produce a feed that's perfectly natural,

我們現在可以用最少的生態需要面積，

with a minimal footprint

來生產由微生物、昆蟲、海藻、

that consists of microbes, insects, seaweeds and micro-algae.

微型藻所組成的純天然飼料，

Healthy for the people,

它們對人體是健康的。

healthy for the fish,

它們對魚類是健康的，

healthy for the planet.

對地球也是健康的。

Microbes, for example,

例如，微生物

can be a perfect alternative for high-grade fish meal --

如果大規模生產，

可以成為一個完美的高檔魚飼料替代品。

at scale.

Insects are the --

昆蟲是--

well, first of all, the perfect recycling

是的，首先，它可以循環再生，

because they're grown on food waste;

因為它們是吃廚餘長大的；

but second,

但第二，

think of fly-fishing,

想一下飛蠅釣，

and you know how logical it actually is to use it as fish feed.

你就知道為什麼它其實 可以成為魚飼料的原因。

You don't need large tracts of land for it

你不需要為它找大片土地，

and you don't need to cut down rain forests for it.

你也不用為它砍掉大片雨林。

And microbes and insects are actually net water producers.

而微生物及昆蟲實際上就是網路水製造者。

This revolution is starting as we speak,

就如我們所說的，這個革命已經開始，

it just needs scale.

它只需要大規模生產。

We can now farm far more species than ever before

我們可以比過去養殖更多的種類，

in controlled, natural conditions, creating happy fish.

而且是在受管控、 天然條件下製造開心的魚。

I imagine, for example,

我在想、例如，

a closed system that's performing more efficiently than insect farming,

一個比養殖昆蟲表現更有效率的封閉系統，

where you can produce healthy, happy, delicious fish

讓你可以產出健康、開心、好吃的魚，

with little or no effluent,

用一個只有一點點或無污染、

almost no energy and almost no water

幾乎不需要能源及水、 最少的生態面積的自然餵食方式。

and a natural feed with a minimal footprint.

Or a system where you grow up to 10 species next to each other --

或者你可以養殖一個模仿自然，

off of each other,

一個接一個的

mimicking nature.

10 種品種以上的系統。

You need very little feed,

你只需要非常少的餵食，

very little footprint.

非常少的生態面積。

I think of seaweed growing off the effluent of fish, for example.

例如，我有想到海藻與魚 共生的封閉系統。

There's great technologies popping up all over the globe.

全球有很多偉大的科技陸續推出。

From alternatives to battle disease

從替代方式到對抗疾病，

so we don't need antibiotics and chemicals anymore,

那我們就再也不需要抗生素或化學藥劑，

to automated feeders that feel when the fish are hungry,

到自動餵食系統， 它可以感覺到魚甚麼時候會餓，

so we can save on feed and create less pollution.

如此我們就可以減少餵食， 並製造更少的污染。

Software systems that gather data across farms,

軟體系統收集整個魚田的資料，

so we can improve farm practices.

讓我們可以改善養殖的實務流程。

There's really cool stuff happening all over the globe.

全世界真的有很多很酷的東西在發生。

And make no mistake -- all of these things are possible

但請別誤會--今日這些事情 是有可能讓一個養殖業者

at a cost that's competitive to what a farmer spends today.

在有競爭力的成本下完成的。

Tomorrow, there will be no excuse for anyone to not do the right thing.

明天，每個人就沒有理由說不做正確的事。

So somebody needs to connect the dots

所以有些人需要整合這些連結點，

and give these developments a big kick in the butt.

並給這些發展在屁股上用力一踢。

And that's what we've been working on the last couple of years,

而這就是我們最近幾年在做的事，

and that's what we need to be working on together --

這也是我們需要一起工作的原因--

rethinking everything from the ground up,

從最基礎開始，重新思考每件事，

with a holistic view across the value chain,

用一個橫跨整個價值鏈的 歷史角度去思考，

connecting all these things across the globe,

跟隨願意分享共同願景的

alongside great entrepreneurs

偉大企業家，

that are willing to share a collective vision.

把全世界這些事情連結起來。

Now is the time to create change in this industry

現在就是改變這個產業的最佳刻，

and to push it into a sustainable direction.

並把它推向一個永續發展的方向。

This industry is still young,

這個產業仍然很年輕，

much of its growth is still ahead.

前頭仍有很大的成長空間。

It's a big task, but not as far-fetched as you might think.

這是個大任務，但沒有你想像的那麼遙遠。

It's possible.

它是有可能的。

So we need to take pressure off the ocean.

所以我們需要釋放海洋的壓力。

We want to eat good and healthy.

我們希望吃得好，吃得健康。

And if we eat an animal, it needs to be one

如果我們要吃動物，

that had a happy and healthy life.

它必須是那個擁有開心 及健康生命的動物。

We need to have a meal that we can trust,

我們需要口分值得信賴的一餐，

live long lives.

讓我們可以活得久。

And this is not just for people in San Francisco or Northern Europe --

而這不僅是為了舊金山或北歐人民--

this is for all of us.

這是為我們所有人。

Even in the poorest countries,

甚至是最貧窮的國家，

it's not just about money.

這與金錢無關。

People prefer something fresh and healthy that they can trust

人們喜歡他們信得過、 新鮮健康的東西，

over something that comes from far away that they know nothing about.

遠勝於來自遠方他們完全不懂得東西。

We're all the same.

我們都一樣。

那一天會到來，

The day will come

where people will realize -- no, demand -- farmed fish on their plate

人們將會了解，並要求， 餐碟上是養殖魚類

that's farmed well and that's farmed healthy --

那是養得好、養得健康的魚。

並拒絕任何不健康的東西。

and refuse anything less.

You can help speed this up.

你可以幫助這件事情加速發展。

Ask questions when you order seafood.

當你要點海鮮時，記得問問題。

Where does my fish come from?

我的魚是來自哪裡？

Who raised it,

誰養的？

and what did it eat?

它吃了甚麼？

Information about where your fish comes from and how it was produced

有關於你的魚的來源以及 它如何生產出來的資訊，

needs to be much more readily available.

需要很容易取得。

And consumers need to put pressure on the aquaculture industry

而消費者需要施加更多的壓力 在水產養殖業上，

to do the right thing.

給予水產養殖業他們去做正確的事。

So every time you order,

所以，每次你點餐時，

ask for detail

問清楚細節，

and show that you really care about what you eat

並展現出你真的很在意你吃的是甚麼

and what's been given to you.

以及他們給你的是甚麼。

And eventually, they will listen.

最後，他們會聽進去。

And all of us will benefit.

而大家都會受惠，

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause)

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