On tennis, love and motherhood | Serena Williams and Gayle King

譯者: Kairan Wang 審譯者: Yang He

Gayle King: Have a seat, Serena Williams,

蓋爾·金：請坐，塞雷娜·威廉姆絲，

or should we say, have a seat, mom.

或是應該說「請坐吧，母親。」

(Cheers)

（歡呼聲）

So no doubt, you guys are like me.

毫無疑問，你們和我一樣。

You saw the release of Serena

大家都看到塞雷娜上周發佈的， 穿著黃色泳裝的照片，

in that great yellow bathing suit last week

and when I saw it, all I could think of was,

當我看到那張照片的時候， 我一直在想：

"Gosh, why couldn't she have waited til we sat onstage for TED?"

「天哪，她為什麼不等到 TED 演講時再公開呢？」

I was very selfish, I know.

我知道自己很自私。

So I asked you about that picture,

我問了你那張照片的事，

and you said nobody was supposed to see that picture.

你說你原來沒打算 讓其他人看到那張照片。

What do you mean?

這話是什麼意思？

Serena Williams: Well, actually, it was an accident.

塞雷娜：那其實是一場意外。

I was on vacation, just taking some time for myself,

我當時在度假， 只是給自己留點私人時間，

and I have this thing where I've been checking my status

我就用 Snapchat 檢視自己的狀態，

and taking pictures every week to see how far along I'm going --

每周拍些照片來記錄自己的變化。

GK: And sharing it with friends, maybe?

蓋爾：然後可能會分享給朋友們？

SW: No, actually I have just been saving it,

塞雷娜：不，其實我只想保存下來。

and I didn't really tell a lot of people,

說實話，我沒有告訴很多人，

to be quite honest,

and I'd been saving it,

我一直在保存照片，

and you know how social media is, you press the wrong button and --

但是你也知道社交媒體， 按錯了一個按鈕就…

(Laughter)

GK: And there it was.

（笑聲）

蓋爾：就成這樣了。

SW: So 30 minutes later -- my phone doesn't ring that much --

塞雷納：所以 30 分鐘之後… 我的電話向來不怎麼響，

and 30 minutes later, I missed like four calls,

30 分鐘之後， 就有四個未接來電，

and I'm like, that's weird,

我當時就想，有點奇怪啊，

and then I picked it up and I was like, oh no.

然後我接了電話。 我心想：「噢，不。」

But it was a good moment.

但那其實正合時機。

I was gonna wait literally just five or six more days -- that's OK.

我原本打算再多等個五六天， 沒關係的。

GK: I know, because it was weird, Serena, because it only said 20 weeks,

蓋爾：我知道，因為這很奇怪， 因為上面只寫了20 週，

so it's not like there was a whole lot of information on it.

所以並沒有透露很多信息。

SW: Exactly, so that's what I've been doing all this time.

塞雷納：沒錯， 我一直以來都是這麼做的。

I've been just tracking it.

我一直在追蹤記錄。

18, 19 -- every week I'd just take a picture and save it,

18 週，19 週… 每週我都會拍下照片並保存起來，

and I've been so good about it,

本來一切都很順利， 結果這次失手了。

and this was the one time that I slipped.

GK: There you go. Well, congratulations.

蓋爾：就這樣公佈出來了。 好吧，恭喜你。

SW: Yes, thank you.

塞雷娜：謝謝。

GK: It really is OK. When you heard the news,

蓋爾：其實真的挺好。 當你得知這個消息時，

were you excited? Were you afraid? Were you worried?

你是興奮，還是害怕或者擔憂？

That you were pregnant, I mean.

我指的是當你得知懷孕的時候。

SW: So I heard it two days before the beginning of the Australian Open,

塞雷娜：我是在澳網公開賽 開賽前兩天得知的，

which is one of the biggest grand slams.

這是最重要的大滿貫比賽之一。

GK: You found out two days before?

蓋爾：開賽前兩天才得知？

SW: Yeah, so it was two days before, and I knew.

塞雷娜：是的，兩天前才知道。 我非常緊張。

I was nervous.

I wasn't quite sure what to think,

我不知道當時應該想些什麼，

but I just knew that at that moment

但那時候我只知道，集中精力 打好澳網公開賽才是最重要的，

it was really important for me to just focus right there

at the Australian Open,

and I was definitely not sure what to do.

但我完全不知道該做什麼。

I was like, can I play?

我心想：我能參賽麼？

I know it's very dangerous, maybe, sometimes in the first 12 weeks or so,

我知道開始的 12 週是非常危險，

so I had a lot of questions.

所以我有很多顧慮。

GK: But not only did you play, Ms. Williams, you won.

蓋爾：但你不僅參加了， 威廉姆絲女士，你還贏了。

(Cheers)

（歡呼聲）

SW: Yeah.

塞雷娜：是的。

May I just say, 23 grand slams to you.

蓋爾：我得對你說， 你贏得了 23 場大滿貫賽事冠軍。

SW: Thank you.

塞雷娜：謝謝你。

(Applause)

蓋爾：而且還在懷孕期間。

GK: While pregnant!

（掌聲）

SW: Well, I was looking for another handicap, so ... no.

塞雷娜：我只想多打一場障礙賽。

GK: Did you play differently that game, knowing you were pregnant?

蓋爾：你得知自己懷孕後， 在比賽時有什麼不同？

SW: I did. It wasn't very easy.

塞雷娜：是的，確實不容易。

You hear all these stories about people when they're pregnant,

聽說過很多關於懷孕後的說法， 孕婦會感到噁心和疲憊。

they get sick and they get tired.

GK: Have you had morning sickness?

蓋爾：你有晨吐嗎？ 塞雷娜：我運氣不錯，還沒有。

SW: No, I've been so fortunate and so I haven't.

But they get really tired and they get really stressed out,

但她們都感到疲憊和非常緊張，

and I had to really take all that energy,

而我必須把這些能量 通通放進紙袋裡，然後扔掉，

put it in a paper bag, so to say,

and throw it away,

because I really felt like I didn't have time

因為我覺得真的沒有時間 去處理任何額外的情緒和事情，

to deal with any extra emotions, any extra anything,

because pregnant or not, no one knew,

無論會否懷孕，沒人知道結果，

and I was supposed to win that tournament

而我每次參加賽事， 就應該在那場賽事中取勝。

as I am every tournament that I show up.

I am expected to win,

大家期待我得勝， 而如果我輸了，那將是更大的新聞。

and if I don't win, it's actually much bigger news.

GK: Yeah, when you don't win, that's a big story.

蓋爾：是的，如果你沒有贏， 那將是一件大事。

SW: Yes, so for me, I had to really take anything negative

塞雷娜：是的，所以對於我來說， 所有的負能量和情緒，

and any emotions that I was feeling at that point

and kind of just bottle them up

我必須把它們通通壓抑住。

and really figure out what the next step for me to do was.

並且弄清楚下一步要做什麼。

GK: You have a lot of support. You have a lot of love.

蓋爾：你得到很多支持和愛戴。

Even when I was coming here, people stopped me at the airport.

即使我到這裡來時， 人們也在機場攔住我，

I was saying to the flight attendant, the pilot, "Guess where I'm going?"

我對空服員和機長說： 「猜猜我要去哪裡？」

他們說：「我的天， 我們很高興她懷孕了。」

They said, "Oh my God, we're so glad she's pregnant."

但是你也總是會遇到些怪人，

But then you always have these cranky Yankees.

來這裡的路上，有人跟我提起 伊利耶·納斯塔塞。

On the way over here, somebody was telling me about Ilie Nastase,

他說了些很刻薄、不適當的， 我敢說含有種族歧視的言論。

who said some very unkind, inappropriate, dare I say racial things.

你還回應他了。

You have responded to him.

你說什麼了？

I'm not even going to dignify what he said,

我就不重複他說的話了，

but you responded. Why did you respond?

但是你回應了， 你為什麼要回應呢？

SW: Well, I think there are very inappropriate comments,

塞雷娜: 我認為這是 非常不恰當的評論。

不僅如此，我一直 非常支持我的同胞。

and not only that, I've been really supportive of my peers

and the people that I've worked with.

以及那些和我共事的人。

我作為職業選手將近 20 年了。

I've been a pro for almost 20 years,

and so for me, it's really important to hold women up,

所以對我來說， 支持女性真的很重要。

and it's something that these young women,

這些年輕女士，

她們會來更衣室， 她們想要與我合照，

they'll come to the locker room, they'll want to take pictures with me,

對我而言，

and for me, it's just like,

我非常想作爲她們的優秀領袖 和一個好的榜樣，

I want to be able to be a good leader and a good example for them.

所以…

So not only --

（掌聲）

(Applause)

Not only did he have rude things to say about me and my peers,

不僅是因爲納斯塔塞 對我和我同伴們的粗魯言論，

I felt it was important for us to stand up for each other

我認爲為彼此相互支持，

and to stand up for myself.

對自己支持是非常重要的。

And at that point it was really important for me to say,

那個時候，我必須要說出來：

like, I'm not afraid, I'm not going anywhere,

我不害怕，我哪兒也不去。

but this is inappropriate,

但這不合適。

and there's time and there's a place for everything.

每件事都有最合適的時機地點。

And that really wasn't the time and the place.

那個時候真的不合適。

GK: We cut the part where you said you're not going anywhere,

蓋爾：我們要把你說的 你哪兒都不去的部分剪掉，

因爲九月份你就滿 36 歲， 36 歲你的寶寶要出生了。

because you'll be 36 in September. Baby's coming, 36.

And your coach said age is always important,

你的教練也說， 年齡是很重要的。

but in tennis it's very important,

尤其是在網球界， 這是尤其重要的。

but he has no doubt that you're coming back.

但他很確定你還會回來。

Have you thought, am I coming back?

你有沒有想過：「我要回球場嗎？

Will I take some time off?

否要給自己多一些休息時間呢？」

I know the women on the tour are saying,

我知道公開賽的很多女選手在說，

"How long does it take to have a baby? Two years will she be gone?"

「懷孕生孩子需要多久？ 她要離開兩年嗎？」

What are you thinking?

你怎麼看？

SW: Well, I'm always trying to defy the odds, you know,

塞雷娜：你知道， 我一直都在努力克服困難。

對我來說一切都取決於信念。

so for me everything is really mental.

I definitely plan on coming back. I'm not done yet.

我計劃當然是回歸， 我的使命還沒有完成。

I'm really inspired by my sister.

我姐姐給了我很大的鼓舞。

She's a year older than me, and that's something that --

她比我大一歲，

if she's still playing, I know I can play.

所以如果她還在打網球， 那麼我知道我也可以。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

And there's so many -- Roger Federer, he's a little bit older than me

還有很多人——羅傑·費德勒， 他也比我大一些，

and he's still winning everything, so I'm like, I know I can do that too.

他還在一直拿冠軍， 所以我知道我也可以。

So that's been so inspiring to me, especially recently,

這一切都在鼓舞著我， 尤其是最近，

and I know that it's something I want to do.

我知道這是我想要去完成的。

And my story is definitely not over yet.

我的故事還沒結束。

I was talking to my coach about it,

我和我的教練聊天，

and we were talking about how this is just a new part of my life,

我們在聊這會成為 我新生活的一部分，

and my baby's going to be in the stands

我的寶寶會站在觀眾席上，

and hopefully cheering for me, not crying too much.

但願能為我加油打氣， 而不是一直哭個不停。

GK: No, you wrote a beautiful letter to your baby yesterday

蓋爾：不，你昨天給你的寶寶 寫了封很美的信。

that you said -- from the oldest mommy to the youngest one,

你說—— 從老母親到年輕媽媽，

to the oldest, to the youngest, I can't wait for you to get here.

從最年老的到最年輕的， 我都期盼著你的到來。

A lot of people feel that.

很多人都有這種感受。

I saw you about a year ago, because I think about your life, Serena.

我一年前見到你，塞雷娜， 我在思考你的人生。

You've had three life-changing things in a six-month time:

你在短短六個月的時間裡， 經歷了人生的三個轉折點。

pregnant, huge win, fell in love.

懷孕、比賽獲勝、墜入愛河。

And when I saw you last year,

我去年見到你的時候，

I was saying, "How's your love life? Da da da."

我問：「你的感情生活如何？」 諸如此類的問題。

You said, "I met a guy. He's a nerdy, kinda geeky guy.

你說：「我遇見了一個人， 有點書呆子，有點宅，

You won't know who he is."

你肯定猜不到他是誰。」

I said, "What's his name?"

我問：「他叫什麼名字？」

SW: I remember talking to you about that, yes.

塞雷娜：是的，我記得這段對話。

GK: And you said, "Alexis Ohanian." I said, "I know him!" He's awesome.

蓋爾：你說：「亞歷克西斯·奧哈尼安。」 我就說：「我認識他，他棒極了。」

But I would never put you with a nerdy geek,

但是我從沒想到， 你會跟一個書呆子在一起。

and you said, you neither.

你說你也沒想到。

SW: I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't either,

塞雷娜：我必須誠實的說， 我也沒想到。

但這對我來說是件幸運的事。

but it's been the best thing for me.

蓋爾：為什麼幸運？

GK: The best thing why?

他不像個超級宅男嗎？

Does that look like a nerdy geek?

Look at the shirt.

看看他的 T 恤。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

No, he's a very nice guy.

不，說真的，他人很好。

SW: You can tell he's into technology.

塞雷娜：看得出來 他的確是個技術宅男。

GK: He's a very, very nice guy.

蓋爾：他人非常非常好。

I like him very much.

我很喜歡他。

So how did he succeed when others have failed?

所以為什么是他獲得你的芳心， 而不是其他人呢。

How was he the one that you knew, this is the one for me?

你是怎麼知道的 他就是那個對的人？

SW: Well, I'm not going to say that,

塞雷娜：好吧，我不會告訴你，

but ...

但是...

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

GK: Say it, Serena, say it!

蓋爾：說吧，塞雷娜，說出來！

SW: Well ...

塞雷娜：呃...

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

Yes.

他就是那個人。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

GK: But you know what I mean.

蓋爾：你知道我的意思。

SW: He is very loving and he's very kind, and my mom says he's very considerate,

塞雷娜：他很可愛、很善良， 我媽媽也說他替人着想。

and when she said that to me,

當她這麼跟我說的時候，

I was like, you know, he really is,

我覺得他真的是如此。

and it's the little things that really make a huge difference in life.

生活裏的一點一滴 能造成很大不同。

GK: Like?

蓋爾：比如呢？

SW: Something simple.

塞雷娜：一些簡單的細節，

My fashion company, we have a show every year,

我的時裝公司每年都有一場秀。

so in our show last year, I was running around like crazy,

我們去年的秀場上， 我幾乎是瘋了一樣到處忙碌。

because I do everything for the show,

我爲那場秀心力交瘁，

and everything for it,

奉獻了一切，

so I was running around like crazy,

所以我忙得跑來跑去，

and he, it was a simple gesture of this shirt that he had,

他當時有一件簡單襯衫，

and he just wanted to make sure that I had the same one,

他想確定我也有一件一樣的。

and it was -- it's a weird story.

這是一件奇怪的事情。

It was better in person, I promise.

對我來說感受不一樣，我保證。

GK: Was it a wonderful proposal?

蓋爾：你的求婚很讚吧？

Or was it a Beyoncé song?

還是說就像碧昂絲的一首歌，

"If you like it then you ought to put a ring on it"?

「如果你喜歡就給它戴上戒指」？

Were you feeling pressure to get married?

你對於婚姻感到有壓力嗎？

Did you know it was coming?

你當時有意識到它的到來嗎？

SW: Yeah, I actually never felt pressure to get married

塞雷娜：是啊，我對於結婚， 從來沒有什麼壓力。

and I can't say I'm the marrying type of person.

但我也不是那種很想結婚的人，

I really love my life.

我真的很熱愛我的生活，

I love my freedom.

我熱愛我的自由。

I heard that kind of changes.

我聽說過婚姻會帶來改變，

But I love everything that I do,

但我熱愛我所做的一切，

and I love my career,

我也喜愛我的職業，

and I always felt like I didn't want anything to interfere with that.

我也總是希望， 不讓任何事干擾我的職業。

I've actually been so career-oriented

我甚至是以職業爲中心。

and in fact, when he proposed,

實際上，當他求婚的時候，

I was almost angry.

我幾乎是生氣了，

Not almost. I was angry,

不是幾乎，我就是生氣了。

because it was right in the middle of my training season,

因爲那時正好是我的訓練季，

and I said, "I gotta win the Australian Open.

我說：「我要贏澳網公開賽。

I can't fly to Rome."

我不能飛到羅馬去。」

Because he wanted to take me to Rome,

因爲他想帶我去羅馬。

and I said, "I can't. I gotta win."

我說：「我不能去，我要贏。」

But that's how focused I was.

我就是那麼專注。

GK: This is a girl that says, "No, I can't go to Rome." OK.

蓋爾：好的，我們的塞雷娜是個說 「不，我不能去羅馬」的女孩。

SW: But I was really focused on reaching my goals

塞雷娜：但我真的特別 專注於達成目標。

and I knew at that point there was one player that I wanted to pass.

我那個時候知道， 我想超越一個選手。

I wanted to pass Steffi Graf's record,

我想打破施特菲·格拉夫的記錄。

and that really meant a lot to me,

這對我真的意義非凡。

and when I put my mind to something,

當我全神貫注地投入一件事情。

I really am determined to reach it

我堅決要達到目標。

no matter what.

無論如何。

GK: You know, you said that for you --

蓋爾：你知道嗎， 你說，於你而言——

I've heard you say that winning is addictive to you.

你說過對你來說勝利是會上癮的。

SW: It is.

塞雷娜：的確。

GK: What do you mean?

蓋爾：那是什麼意思？

SW: I feel like winning for me is superaddictive.

塞雷娜：我覺得對於我來說， 勝利真的很容易成癮。

I feel like once you experience it,

我覺得只要你擁有過勝利，

you always want to get that feeling again,

就會一直想再得到它。

and when I won my first championship, I was only 17 years old,

我第一次獲得冠軍時只有十七歲，

but I never forgot that feeling,

但是我永遠忘不了那種感覺。

and I feel like every time I win one,

在每一次我贏得比賽的時候，

I want to reach that feeling of your first championship.

我都想獲得第一次奪冠的感覺。

There's really no feeling in the world like that.

世上沒有任何一種感覺 能與之相提並論。

And it's like, all these years of training

正如這些年所有的訓練，

and being a little kid and playing,

從孩童時代就開始，

and then winning is a wonderful experience.

然後終於獲勝，這是一種奇妙的體驗。

So for me I've always felt like I loved that feeling,

我非常喜歡這種感覺。

and obviously I don't like the feeling of losing. I feel like --

很顯然，我不喜歡輸的感覺。 我覺得——

GK: No, in fact, people close to you say you're a very bad loser.

蓋爾：不，事實上， 熟悉你的人都說你輸不起。

SW: I'm not the best loser.

塞雷娜：我確實有點輸不起。

GK: That you're very, very, very bad.

蓋爾：你是完全輸不起。

Listen, no athlete, no champion likes to lose.

聽我說，沒有運動員， 沒有哪個冠軍是喜歡輸的。

I get that.

這個我明白。

But they say when it comes to losing, you are very, very, very bad at it.

但是有人說，當輸了的時候， 你表現非常糟糕。

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

SW: I'm number one at losing too, so you know, that's all I can say.

塞雷娜：我輸球也是第一， 你知道的，我就說這麼多。

(Laughter)

(笑聲)

(Applause)

（掌聲）

GK: I'm always curious about the dynamic between you and Venus,

蓋爾：我對你和維納斯的 關係一直很好奇。

because everybody that knows you and has followed the story

因為所有知道你的人， 從你的故事中可以得知，

knows that you two are very close,

你們的關係十分親密。

and you always bring your A game in whatever you do,

你無論做什麼都要做到 A。

but I often wonder, when you're playing her,

但是我常常想，當你與她對陣時。

do you bring your A- game because you want to do something for her

你會想做到 A- 嗎， 因為想要為她做些事情，

or do you bring your A++ game because you want to crush her.

還是想打垮她，因此做到 A++？

Is it harder for you playing her or easier?

對你來說，與她對陣 是更容易還是更困難？

SW: Well, playing Venus is like playing myself,

塞雷娜：與維納斯對陣 就像是與我自己比賽一樣。

because we grew up playing each other, we grew up practicing together.

因為我們倆是一起長大， 我們一起練球。

And it was something that has been difficult,

與她比賽是非常困難的。

because she's my toughest opponent.

因為她是我最強的對手。

She's tall, she's fast,

她很高，速度很快。

she hits hard like me, she serves like me.

她的擊打力度和發球都和我一樣。

It's really like playing a wall.

就好像對著牆打球一樣。

GK: She knows you.

蓋爾：她了解你。

SW: She knows where I'm hitting the ball before I hit it,

塞雷娜：她在我出拍之前 就知道我要打哪兒。

so it's something that is not very easy,

所以這是不容易的一點。

but it's really about, when I go out there,

但是真正重要的是， 當我走上賽場，

I really have to shut down my mind and I have to say to myself,

我必須停止思考， 我必須告訴自己。

"You know what?

知道嗎？

I'm just playing a great player, but today I have to be better.

我是最優秀的選手， 而且我今天要做得更好。

I don't care who it is, if it's my sister or it's my friend,

我不在乎對手是誰， 是我的姐姐還是朋友。

today is the day I have to show up and I have to be better

今天就是我表現的時候， 我會做得更好。

and I have to want it more than anyone else at this moment

在這一刻， 我比任何地方的任何人，

anywhere on this world."

都更渴望勝利。

GK: So never on the court do you fall back for Venus?

蓋爾：所以你從未 因維納斯而退縮？

Because, you know, it was always Venus and Serena.

因為你知道， 一直都是維納斯與塞雷娜。

SW: Yes.

塞雷娜：是的。

GK: And now baby sister has surpassed older sister.

蓋爾：但是現在，妹妹超過了姐姐。

Do you feel guilt about that?

你為此感到愧疚嗎？

Do you feel joy in that?

還是感到開心？

Is that a difficult position for you?

這些會對你造成困擾嗎？

SW: I don't feel anything in there.

塞雷娜：我沒有任何這種感覺。

In my life, it still and forever is always going to be Venus and Serena.

在我生命裡， 永遠都是維納斯與塞雷娜。

She's really love of my life, she's my best friend,

她是我生命中的最愛， 她是我最好的朋友。

she's my soul mate.

她是我的靈魂伴侶。

I mean --

我是說……

There's pictures of her pushing me,

我有幾張她推著我的照片。

really low-quality pictures or else I would have shared them,

不太清晰的照片， 不然我就分享給大家了。

of her pushing me in a stroller on a tennis court,

在網球場上，她用嬰兒車推著我。

and she always took care of me.

她一直照顧我。

I used to spend all of my allowance money on the ice cream truck and stuff,

在學校，我把零花錢 都花在冰淇淋那些零食上。

and she would take her money and give it to me at school

在學校的時候， 她就把她的錢給我。

and make sure I had something to eat and she would go without,

以確保我有東西吃， 甚至她自己沒得吃。

and that's the kind of person she actually is

她一直都是這種人，

since I've always known her.

從我認識她開始。

So we always have this incredible respect for each other

所以我們一直尊重彼此。

and this incredible love,

也深愛著對方。

and I think it's important for people to realize you can be successful

我認為很重要的是， 你需要意識到你可以成功，

but you can still have a wonderful relationship.

同時也可以擁有 一段美好的感情。

On the court we are mortal enemies,

在賽場上我們是宿敵。

but the second we shake hands, we are best friends again.

但在握手的那一刻， 我們又是最好的朋友了。

And if I lose, it might be a day later for me,

如果我輸了， 對我來說可能只是晚了一天。

but for Venus --

但是對維納斯——

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

GK: There's never a time on the court where you hit the ball

蓋爾：難道就從來沒有哪一次， 當你在賽場上擊球時，

and say, "That's for seventh grade when you did the blah blah blah"?

想到「這一發是為了你七年級 做過的那件事」？

You never have any moment like that?

你從來沒有哪一刻這樣想嗎？

SW: I feel like she should have those moments,

塞雷娜：我覺得她可能會有這種時候。

because she's never done anything bad to me,

因為她從未對我做過什麼壞事。

but I'm the youngest. I'm the younger sister.

我是最小的，我是妹妹。

GK: Serena, she's never done anything bad to you? Really?

蓋爾：塞雷娜，她真的 從未對你做過任何壞事嗎？

I have three sisters. I can think of some stuff I've done bad.

我有三個姐妹， 我想到那些我做過的壞事。

SW: Unless she brainwashed me to forget them.

塞雷娜：除非她給我洗過腦了。

GK: No, but the love you have for her I know is very pure. I know that.

蓋爾：是的，你對她的愛 非常純粹，我知道。

SW: Yes. GK: I know that.

塞雷娜：是的。

SW: We were always brought up to be superclose,

我們一起長大，

and we are incredibly close.

我們親密無間。

Not only her.

不僅僅是她。

I have three other sisters as well, and we were always so close.

我其他的三個姐姐也是這樣， 我們關係親密。

GK: So before a big match, the two of you don't get together

蓋爾：那麼在大賽之前， 你們會不會聚在一起，

and say, look, we're going to go out there and -- there's nothing?

比如說，你看， 我們一起出場。有嗎？

塞雷娜：說起來很好笑， 在澳網公開賽之前，

SW: Well, it's funny. Before the Australian Open,

我們一起在更衣室裡，

we were in the locker room together,

and I always pick on her, so I pulled out my camera while she was changing.

我總和她開玩笑， 她換衣服時，我拿出相機。

I started taking pictures of her, which is totally inappropriate,

我給她拍照， 這種做法很不恰當。

but she was so mad at me.

她很生氣，對我大叫， 「塞雷娜，不要這樣！」

She's like, "Serena, stop!" And I was just laughing at her.

而我還在嘲笑她。

But that's the kind of relationship that we have, and like I said,

就像我說的， 我們就是這種關係。

the second we step on the court,

在我們踏上賽場的那一秒，

it was like, we were definitely mortal enemies,

我們就變成了真正的對手。

but the second we stepped off, and moments before, we're just --

但當我們踏出賽場那一刻， 以及上場之前，我們——

It is what it is, because at the end of the day,

就是這樣，因為到頭來，

she'll always be my sister.

她一直都是我的好姐姐。

I'm not going to play Australia in --

我不知道多少年後， 會退出澳網——

Well, who knows, I've been playing forever,

誰知道呢，我一直都在打。

but I don't think I'll be playing in 50 years, say?

但是我不覺得 我 50 年後會還在打。

Let's be safe and say 50 years.

保守一些，說 50 年。

GK: I don't know, Serena. There's never been anybody like you.

蓋爾：我不知道，塞雷娜， 從沒有人像你一樣。

When you think about it, never been anybody

你想想，從沒有人像你這樣，

who has intersected gender and race the way you have,

超越性別與種族，用這樣的方式，

the dominance that you have and the scrutiny that you have.

擁有你這樣的地位與嚴謹，

And when you were growing up, did you say, "I want to be like that"?

你小時候有沒有想過 「我想要成為這樣的人？」

Because now little girls are looking at you

因為現在有很多小女孩仰慕你，

saying, "I want to be like that."

想著「我想要成為那樣的人」，

Who was the "I want to be like that" for you?

你小時候有沒有這樣， 誰是你想要成為的人？

SW: Well, it's interesting, and I'm glad you brought that up.

塞雷娜：這很有趣， 感謝你帶來這個話題。

對我而言，我小時候一直 想要成為最好的那一個。

For me, when I grew up, I always wanted to be the best,

我覺得，如果你想成為最優秀的， 就必須以最優秀的為榜樣。

and I said, if you want to be the best, you've got to emulate the best.

So when I started to go on tour when I was really young,

當我開始參賽的時候， 那時我還很年輕。

I would see Steffi Graf, I would see Monica Seles,

我會觀察施特菲·格拉芙， 以及莫尼卡·塞萊斯，

and I would even see Pete Sampras,

我甚至會觀察皮特·桑普拉斯。

and I would see what they did,

我會關注他們的一言一行，

and I noticed that Steffi and Monica

我注意到施特菲和莫尼卡，

didn't really talk to a lot of the other players,

她們並不怎麼和其他選手交流，

and they kind of were on their own,

她們比較獨來獨往，

and they were just so focused

非常專注。

and I would see Pete Sampras, the technique that he did,

我也觀察皮特·桑普拉斯的網球技巧，

and I was like, "I want to do that."

並且覺得「我也想做到那樣」，

So I did that, and I felt that to be the best,

於是我做到了，

如果你想成爲最好的，

and if you want to be the best,

you have to hang around people

你得與其他人交往，

and you have to look at people that are the best,

你需要向最優秀的看齊，

because you're not going to be the best

因爲如果你的目光 不在最頂級的人上，

if you're looking at someone that's not at the top level.

那麼你也不會成為頂級的人。

GK: People say nobody works as hard as you.

蓋爾：人們都說， 沒人像你這麼努力。

塞雷娜：我的確非常努力， 蓋爾：這也是我所聽說的。

SW: I'm a very hard worker. GK: That's what I heard.

SW: People say, "Oh, she's talented, she's athletic."

人們會說：「噢，她是天才， 很有運動天賦。」

實際上，我並沒有， 我小時候在同齡人中算很矮小。

Actually, I wasn't. I was really small for my age.

我長大之後才開始變高，

I grew up when I got older,

and I had to work really hard,

我必須得非常努力，

and I think one of the reasons why I fight so hard and I work so hard

我覺得我之所以努力奮鬥拼搏，

is because I was really, really, really small.

其中一個原因就是我曾經矮小。

GK: Yeah.

蓋爾：是啊。

You are no longer small.

你現在一點也不矮了。

SW: No, I'm fully grown now.

塞雷娜：不，我現在長大了。

But I was small when I was really young for whatever reason.

但不知道爲什麼， 我小時候真的特別矮。

I think Venus maybe ate all the Wheaties.

也許是維納斯吃掉了所有的麥片。

GK: You know, the other thing people talk about is your body.

蓋爾：你知道嗎， 人們還討論你的身材。

Your body brings men and women to their knees.

你的身材讓男人和女人都膜拜。

And I mean in a good way.

我是說這是一種讚美。

A lot has been made about your body.

對你的身材的評價有很多。

It's a work of art, it's masculine, it's glorious,

說這是一件藝術品， 非常陽剛也非常美麗。

there's never been anything like it.

從沒有人像你一樣，

Did you have body issues when you were growing up?

你在成長過程中， 對身材有過什麼情結嗎？

Have you always been comfortable with your body?

你一直都滿意於自己的身材嗎？

SW: It's interesting, because when you're a teenage female

塞雷娜：這很有趣， 因爲當你還是一個

growing up in the public eye,

在公眾視野中成長的少女時，

it is a lot of scrutiny that you face,

你面對着很多仔細的觀察，

and as any female that's a teenager,

作爲任何一位青少年女性，

I definitely was not comfortable in my body.

我那時當然是 對我的身材不滿意的。

I didn't like it.

我不喜歡。

I didn't understand why I had muscles.

我不懂爲什麼我有肌肉，

And I stopped lifting weights.

我停止了舉重，

I was like, I'm not going to do this.

我覺得我不想再這麼做了，

But then after I won the US Open,

當我贏得美國公開賽的時候，

I realized that my body helped me reach goals that I wanted to reach,

我意識到我的身體幫我 達到了想要的目標。

and I wanted to be happy with it,

我就開始喜歡我的身體了。

and I was so appreciative of it.

我很感謝它。

I'm always healthy.

我一直都很健康。

I'm really fortunate and superblessed,

我很幸運。

and I felt like not only am I happy with my body,

我感覺我不只是對我的身體滿意。

but I want other people and other young girls

我還想要其他年輕女孩，

that have experienced what I've experienced

有着像我同樣經驗的年輕女孩，

to be happy with themselves.

對她們自己感到滿意。

So whatever people say --

不管人們怎麼說…

masculine, whatever, too much, too little --

太剛陽啊，什麼的， 太多了，太少了——

I'm OK with it as long as I love myself.

只要我愛我自己，全都可以。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

GK: I know you learn a lot from winning,

蓋爾：我知道你從 勝利中學到了很多。

but what have you learned from losing?

那麼你從失敗中學到了什麼嗎？

SW: I hate to lose, but I think losing has brought me here today.

塞雷娜：我討厭失敗， 但我知道是失敗帶我走到今天。

The only reason I am who I am is because of my losses,

我之所以成爲今天的我 也是歸功於失敗。

and some of them are extremely painful,

有些非常痛苦，

but I wouldn't take any of them away,

但我不會選擇抹去 任何一次的經歷。

because every time I lose,

因爲每一次當我失敗了，

it takes a really long time for me to lose again

下一次再失敗會是很久以後的事情。

because I learn so much from it.

因爲我從中獲益良多，

And I encourage everyone that I talk to --

我鼓勵身邊的每一個人，

I'm like, listen, if you lose or if something happens --

如果你經歷失敗或身處逆境，

not in sports -- in business or in school --

不僅是運動，還有事業或學業，

learn from it.

從中學習，

Don't live in the past, live in the present,

不要活在過去，要活在當下。

and don't make the same mistakes in the future.

未來不要再犯同樣的錯誤，

That's something that I always try to live by.

這就是我一直盡力做到的事情，

蓋爾：你現在在籌備婚禮，

GK: Now you're planning a wedding

我想知道， 會是一場旅行結婚嗎？

and I want to know, is it a destination wedding

in the Catskills or Poconos or are you going to do it in Florida?

在卡兹啟爾山脈還是波科諾？ 或者你們就準備在佛羅里達結婚？

What are you thinking?

你怎麼想的？

Big or small?

盛大的還是簡約的？

SW: We're thinking medium size. We don't want to do too big,

塞雷娜：我們想要一個中型的婚禮， 一方面不想太隆重，

but then we're like, OK, we can't say no to this person, this person.

但同時又不想随意拒绝别人，

So we're thinking medium size and we're just thinking --

所以我想一個中型的婚禮應該合適，

My personality is a lot of fun. Hopefully you can see that today.

我比較喜歡有趣的東西， 你今天也看到了。

I'm not too serious.

我不想太嚴肅。

GK: And you like to dance.

蓋爾：而且你還喜歡跳舞。

And the next chapter for Serena Williams is what?

那麼塞雷娜·威廉姆斯 下一步計畫是什麼呢？

SW: Oh, next for me.

塞雷娜：對我來說，

Obviously I'm going to have a baby

下一步當然是迎接我的寶寶。

and I'm going to stay fit and kind of come back and play tennis

我還要恢復身材，重回賽場，

and keep working on my fashion line.

還要持續經營我的時尚品牌， 那一定非常有趣。

That'll be really fun.

蓋爾：你知道是男孩還是女孩嗎？

GK: Do you know if it's a boy or girl?

塞雷娜：不確定； 我是有感覺到是男還是女。

SW: I don't. I have a feeling of one or the other.

It's a 50-50 chance, but I have a feeling.

百分之五十的機率， 不過我有感覺。

GK: Gayle is a unisex name.

蓋爾：蓋爾是一個很中性的名字。

Whatever you and Alexis decide, we are cheering you on!

不管你和阿歷克斯怎麼決定， 我們都支持你們。

SW: Thank you for that. GK: You're welcome.

塞雷娜：非常感謝， 蓋爾：不客氣。

We are cheering you on, Serena Williams. SW: Thank you so much.

蓋爾：爲你加油，塞雷娜·威廉姆絲。 塞雷娜：非常感謝。

Thank you guys.

謝謝大家。

(Applause)

（掌聲）