Molly Stevens: A new way to grow bone

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翻译人员: Li Li 校对人员: Rong Han
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As humans, it's in our nature
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作为人类,我们本能地希望
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to want to improve our health and minimize our suffering.
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使自己更健康,少受痛楚。
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Whatever life throws at us,
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无论我们在生活中遭遇到什么,
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whether it's cancer, diabetes, heart disease,
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不管是癌症,糖尿病,心脏病,
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or even broken bones, we want to try and get better.
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或是骨折,我们都想尽快康复。
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Now I'm head of a biomaterials lab,
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我是一间生物材料实验室的负责人,
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and I'm really fascinated by the way that humans
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而且我对历史上人类
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have used materials in really creative ways
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别出心裁地将不同的材料
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in the body over time.
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使用在人体上十分感兴趣。
00:35
Take, for example, this beautiful blue nacre shell.
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举个例子,这个漂亮的蓝色珍珠贝壳,
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This was actually used by the Mayans
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它其实是被玛雅人
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as an artificial tooth replacement.
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当作人造牙齿来使用的。
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We're not quite sure why they did it.
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我们还不是很确定他们为什么要这么做。
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It's hard. It's durable.
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这东西坚硬,耐用,
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But it also had other very nice properties.
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但它也具备其他优秀的特征。
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In fact, when they put it into the jawbone,
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实际上 ,当他们把它放进颚骨时,
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it could integrate into the jaw,
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它可以和颚骨结合在一起。
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and we know now with very sophisticated
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现在,在精密的成像技术的帮助下
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imaging technologies
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我们明白了,
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that part of that integration comes from the fact
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之所以能结合,部分原因是因为
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that this material is designed
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这种材料的设计
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in a very specific way, has a beautiful chemistry,
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有非常独特的地方,它有良好的化学性质,
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has a beautiful architecture.
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和良好的构造。
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And I think in many ways we can sort of think
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而且我觉得,在很多方面,
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of the use of the blue nacre shell and the Mayans
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我们可以把蓝色珍珠贝壳和玛雅人这个例子,
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as the first real application
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当作蓝牙技术的
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of the bluetooth technology.
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首个真正应用。
01:19
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:20
But if we move on and think throughout history
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如果我们沿着时间的发展来思考整个历史进程中
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how people have used different materials in the body,
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人类是如何在人体上运用不同材料的,
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very often it's been physicians
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我们会发现,频频出现的
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that have been quite creative.
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是那些极具创意的医生,
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They've taken things off the shelf.
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他们都是就地取材。
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One of my favorite examples
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我最喜欢的一个例子,
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is that of Sir Harold Ridley,
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是关于哈罗德•里德利爵士的。
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who was a famous ophthalmologist,
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他是一位著名的眼科医生,
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or at least became a famous ophthalmologist.
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至少是成为了著名的眼科医生。
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And during World War II, what he would see
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在二战期间,他注意到
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would be pilots coming back from their missions,
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执行完任务回来的飞行员的眼睛里,
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and he noticed that within their eyes
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执行完任务回来的飞行员的眼睛里,
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they had shards of small bits of material
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有一些细小的碎片藏在里面,
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lodged within the eye,
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有一些细小的碎片藏在里面,
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but the very interesting thing about it
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但比较有趣的是,
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was that material, actually, wasn't causing
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这些碎片材料
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any inflammatory response.
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并没有引发任何炎症。
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So he looked into this, and he figured out
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经过调查他发现,
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that actually that material was little shards of plastic
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这是一些塑料碎片,
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that were coming from the canopy of the Spitfires.
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是喷火式战斗机座舱罩的一部分。
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And this led him to propose that material
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由此他提出把这种材料
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as a new material for intraocular lenses.
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当作人工晶体的新材料。
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It's called PMMA, and it's now used
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它叫做PMMA(聚甲基丙烯酸甲酯),
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in millions of people every year
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如今它每年都造福数百万人民,
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and helps in preventing cataracts.
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帮助预防白内障。
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And that example, I think, is a really nice one,
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我觉得这是一个很好的例子,
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because it helps remind us that in the early days,
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因为它提醒我们,
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people often chose materials
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在过去人们之所以选择某种材料
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because they were bioinert.
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是因为它是生物惰性材料,
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Their very purpose was to perform a mechanical function.
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他们只是想发挥它的机械性能。
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You'd put them in the body
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你把它植入体内,
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and you wouldn't get an adverse response.
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不会有不良反应。
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And what I want to show you is that
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我要给你们看的是,
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in regenerative medicine,
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在再生医学领域,
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we've really shifted away from that idea
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我们的观念已经发生改变,
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of taking a bioinert material.
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不再从生物惰性材料上取材,
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We're actually actively looking for materials
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我们现在在积极寻找新的材料,
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that will be bioactive, that will interact with the body,
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能和人体相互作用的生物活性材料,
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and that furthermore we can put in the body,
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并且我们能将之植入体内,
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they'll have their function,
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它们发挥作用之后,
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and then they'll dissolve away over time.
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随着时间的推移它们会自动溶解。
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If we look at this schematic,
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我们看下这个示意图,
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this is showing you what we think of
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它给我们展示了
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as the typical tissue-engineering approach.
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典型的组织工程学方法。
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We have cells there, typically from the patient.
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我们从病人身上提取细胞,
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We can put those onto a material,
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把它们放在某种材料上,
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and we can make that material very complex if we want to,
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如果需要,我们还可以把材料弄得复杂一点,
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and we can then grow that up in the lab
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然后我们就能在实验室里进行培养,
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or we can put it straight back into the patient.
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或者就直接放回病人身体内。
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And this is an approach that's used all over the world,
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这种方法在全世界普遍使用,
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including in our lab.
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包括我们实验室。
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But one of the things that's really important
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我们在想到干细胞的时候,
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when we're thinking about stem cells
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有非常重要的一点,
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is that obviously stem cells can be many different things,
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就是干细胞显然可以变成很多不同的东西,
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and they want to be many different things,
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并且也希望它们能长成不同的东西,
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and so we want to make sure that the environment
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所以我们要确保放干细胞的环境中
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we put them into has enough information
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有足够多的信息,
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so that they can become the right sort
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这样它们才能发育成我们想要的
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of specialist tissue.
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那种特定的组织。
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And if we think about the different types of tissues
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如果我们想想那些
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that people are looking at regenerating
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在全世界不同的实验室里,
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all over the world, in all the different labs in the world,
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人们正试图再生的各种不同类型的组织,
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there's pretty much every tissue you can think of.
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基本就包括了差不多你能想到的所有组织。
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And actually, the structure of those tissues
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事实上,那些组织的结构
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is quite different, and it's going to really depend
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都挺不同的,要怎样去再造组织,
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on whether your patient has any underlying disease,
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绝大部分要取决于,
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other conditions, in terms of how
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你的病人是否有一些潜在疾病,
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you're going to regenerate your tissue,
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以及一些其他的条件。
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and you're going to need to think about the materials
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你还需要非常认真地考虑
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you're going to use really carefully,
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要使用什么材料,
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their biochemistry, their mechanics,
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考虑它们的生化特征,它们的结构,
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and many other properties as well.
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和其他的一些特性。
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Our tissues all have very different abilities to regenerate,
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我们身体里的组织都具有非常不同的再生能力。
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and here we see poor Prometheus,
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我们来看看可怜的普罗米修斯 (希腊神话中人名,为人类盗火种甘受罚),
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who made a rather tricky career choice
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他做了一个比较苦逼的职业抉择,
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and was punished by the Greek gods.
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然后就被希腊的神给惩罚了。
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He was tied to a rock, and an eagle would come
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他被绑到一块石头上,然后每天都会有一只老鹰
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every day to eat his liver.
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飞过来啄食他的肝。
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But of course his liver would regenerate every day,
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当然,他的肝每天都会再生,
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and so day after day he was punished
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所以他就这样日复一日,年复一年,
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for eternity by the gods.
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永远不停地接受神的惩罚。
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And liver will regenerate in this very nice way,
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肝会这样完美地再生,
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but actually if we think of other tissues,
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但如果我们想一下别的组织,
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like cartilage, for example,
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比如像软骨,
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even the simplest nick and you're going to find it
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哪怕是最简单的小切口,
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really difficult to regenerate your cartilage.
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软骨都很难再生出来。
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So it's going to be very different from tissue to tissue.
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所以,再生能力是因组织而异的,
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Now, bone is somewhere in between,
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骨头呢,介于两者之间。
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and this is one of the tissues that we work on a lot in our lab.
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我们实验室在骨头上做了大量的工作。
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And bone is actually quite good at repairing.
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骨头的修复能力其实相当不错,
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It has to be. We've probably all had fractures
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它必须得是这样的。
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at some point or other.
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我们可能都有过骨折的经历吧。
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And one of the ways that you can think
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而要想修复骨折,
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about repairing your fracture
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一个方法
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is this procedure here, called an iliac crest harvest.
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就叫髂骨移植法。
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And what the surgeon might do
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外科医生可能
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is take some bone from your iliac crest,
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会从你的髂骨那取些骨头,
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which is just here,
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就在这儿,
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and then transplant that somewhere else in the body.
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然后移植到身体的别的部位。
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And it actually works really well,
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这个方法其实很有效,
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because it's your own bone,
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因为它是你自己身上的骨头,
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and it's well vascularized,
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而且有充分的血管浸润,
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which means it's got a really good blood supply.
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也就是说供血良好。
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But the problem is, there's only so much you can take,
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但问题就是,你能用得就只有那么多,
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and also when you do that operation,
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而且当你在进行这项手术时,
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your patients might actually have significant pain
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你的病人可能会在缺位那里产生极大的疼痛,
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in that defect site even two years after the operation.
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哪怕手术两年后还会感到疼痛。
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So what we were thinking is,
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所以我们想的是,
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there's a tremendous need for bone repair, of course,
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骨头修复肯定有大量的需求,
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but this iliac crest-type approach
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但这种髂骨方法
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really has a lot of limitations to it,
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有太多的局限性,
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and could we perhaps recreate
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那么我们是否能
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the generation of bone within the body
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在体内重新制造出所需的骨头,
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on demand and then be able to transplant it
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然后将之进行移植,
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without these very, very painful aftereffects
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而又不像髂骨方法那样
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that you would have with the iliac crest harvest?
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产生痛苦的后果?
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And so this is what we did, and the way we did it
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我们是这样做的,
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was by coming back to this typical tissue-engineering approach
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我们的方法就是回到组织工程学,
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but actually thinking about it rather differently.
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但是要用不同的思维方式。
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And we simplified it a lot,
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而且我们将之大大简化,
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so we got rid of a lot of these steps.
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我们去掉了很多步骤,
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We got rid of the need to harvest cells from the patient,
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我们减掉了从病人身上提取细胞这一步骤,
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we got rid of the need to put in really fancy chemistries,
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我们减掉了使用华丽的化学反应的必要性,
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and we got rid of the need
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我们还去掉了
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to culture these scaffolds in the lab.
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在实验室里搭建这些支架的必要性。
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And what we really focused on
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所以我们真正关注的
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was our material system and making it quite simple,
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是我们的材料系统,并尽量简化,
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but because we used it in a really clever way,
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但因为我们用了巧妙的方法,
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we were able to generate enormous amounts of bone
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所以我们就能非常大量地生产骨骼。
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using this approach.
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所以我们就能非常大量地生产骨骼。
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So we were using the body
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所以我们是利用身体,
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as really the catalyst to help us
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把它当作催化剂来使用,
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to make lots of new bone.
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以此产生新骨骼。
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And it's an approach that we call
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这就是我们所称的
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the in vivo bioreactor, and we were able to make
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体内生物反应器,
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enormous amounts of bone using this approach.
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我们可以用这种方法大量制造骨骼。
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And I'll talk you through this.
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我详细跟你们讲下。
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So what we do is,
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所以我们所做的就是,
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in humans, we all have a layer of stem cells
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在体内我们的长骨外面,
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on the outside of our long bones.
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都有一层干细胞,
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That layer is called the periosteum.
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这一层叫做骨膜。
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And that layer is actually normally
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这层骨膜通常来说
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very, very tightly bound to the underlying bone,
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和在它下面的骨骼是紧密相连的,
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and it's got stem cells in it.
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而且里面含有干细胞,
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Those stem cells are really important
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这些干细胞在胚胎发育时期
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in the embryo when it develops,
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有着非常重要的作用,
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and they also sort of wake up if you have a fracture
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而且当你不慎骨折的时候,
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to help you with repairing the bone.
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它们会被激活以修复骨骼。
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So we take that periosteum layer
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所以我们要利用骨膜层,
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and we developed a way to inject underneath it
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我们想办法在它下面注入一种液体,
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a liquid that then, within 30 seconds,
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然后在30秒内
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would turn into quite a rigid gel
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会变成一种硬胶。
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and can actually lift the periosteum away from the bone.
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这样就将骨膜提起,与骨骼分离,
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So it creates, in essence, an artificial cavity
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所以本质上它制造了一个人造空腔,
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that is right next to both the bone
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就在骨骼
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but also this really rich layer of stem cells.
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和干细胞层中间。
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And we go in through a pinhole incision
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我们通过一个针孔切口进入,
07:37
so that no other cells from the body can get in,
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这样身上别的细胞就进不去,
07:40
and what happens is that that artificial in vivo bioreactor cavity
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这个人造的体内生物反应腔
07:45
can then lead to the proliferation of these stem cells,
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能促进这些干细胞的增殖,
07:48
and they can form lots of new tissue,
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而它们就能形成许多新的组织。
07:50
and then over time, you can harvest that tissue
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过一段时间后,就可以收取这些组织,
07:52
and use it elsewhere in the body.
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并用到身上其他地方去。
07:55
This is a histology slide
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这张组织学切片显示了
07:57
of what we see when we do that,
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我们采用这种方法之后所看到的样子。
07:59
and essentially what we see
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我们主要看到的
08:02
is very large amounts of bone.
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是大量的骨骼,
08:03
So in this picture, you can see the middle of the leg,
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在这张图中,你们可以看到腿中间的部位,
08:06
so the bone marrow,
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也就是骨髓,
08:07
then you can see the original bone,
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还可以看到原来的骨骼,
08:09
and you can see where that original bone finishes,
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以及原来的骨骼结束的位置,
08:12
and just to the left of that is the new bone
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在左边的就是新生的骨骼,
08:15
that's grown within that bioreactor cavity,
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就是在生物反应腔生长的,
08:17
and you can actually make it even larger.
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事实上你还可以让它生长得更大。
08:19
And that demarcation that you can see
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另外你们所看到的,
08:22
between the original bone and the new bone
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在原骨骼和新骨骼之间的分界线,
08:24
acts as a very slight point of weakness,
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算是比较薄弱的地方,
08:26
so actually now the surgeon can come along,
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所以现在外科医生就可以来
08:28
can harvest away that new bone,
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把新骨骼取走,
08:30
and the periosteum can grow back,
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而骨膜能长回来,
08:32
so you're left with the leg
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所以你的腿
08:34
in the same sort of state
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也会恢复原貌,
08:36
as if you hadn't operated on it in the first place.
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就像什么都没发生过一样。
08:38
So it's very, very low in terms of after-pain
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所以相比髂骨移植法,
08:42
compared to an iliac crest harvest.
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这种方法大大减少了术后疼痛,
08:45
And you can grow different amounts of bone
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而且你注入多少胶进去,
08:48
depending on how much gel you put in there,
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就能生长出多少骨骼来,
08:50
so it really is an on demand sort of procedure.
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所以这种方法算是一种按需供应的方法。
08:53
Now, at the time that we did this,
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当我们在做这个项目的时候,
08:55
this received a lot of attention in the press,
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媒体给予我们很多的关注,
08:58
because it was a really nice way
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因为这是一种十分理想的
09:01
of generating new bone,
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产生新骨骼的方法。
09:02
and we got many, many contacts
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也有很多很多不同的人和我们联系,
09:04
from different people that were interested in using this.
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对使用这种方法十分感兴趣。
09:07
And I'm just going to tell you,
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我在这里跟你们说吧
09:09
sometimes those contacts are very strange,
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有时这些和我们联系的人很奇怪,
09:12
slightly unexpected,
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有点出乎意料,
09:13
and the very most interesting,
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最有趣的,
09:16
let me put it that way, contact that I had,
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我这么说吧,和我联系的人,
09:19
was actually from a team of American footballers
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是一个来自美国的橄榄球队,
09:22
that all wanted to have double-thickness skulls
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他们希望他们的脑袋里
09:25
made on their head.
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头盖骨能长到双倍的厚度。
09:30
And so you do get these kinds of contacts,
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所以是会有这样的人和你联系的。
09:32
and of course, being British
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当然作为一个英国人,
09:35
and also growing up in France,
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又自小在法国长大,
09:37
I tend to be very blunt,
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我是比较坦率的,
09:39
and so I had to explain to them very nicely
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我不得不委婉地解释说,
09:41
that in their particular case,
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像他们这种情况,
09:42
there probably wasn't that much in there
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那里本身大概
09:44
to protect in the first place.
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也没多少可保护的。
09:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:49
(Applause)
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(掌声)
09:50
So this was our approach,
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所以这就是我们的方法。
09:52
and it was simple materials,
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材料很简单,
09:54
but we thought about it carefully.
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但我们是经过精心思考的。
09:56
And actually we know that those cells
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而且我们也知道体内的这些细胞,
09:57
in the body, in the embryo, as they develop
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在胚胎时期,当他们生长的时候,
09:59
can form a different kind of tissue, cartilage,
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还能形成另一种不同的组织,就是软骨,
10:03
and so we developed a gel that was slightly different
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所以我们又制造了一种性质和原先不大一样的胶体,
10:05
in nature and slightly different chemistry,
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化学效应也稍有不同,
10:08
put it in there, and we were able to get
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把它们注入,
10:10
100 percent cartilage instead.
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我们就能得到百分之百的软骨。
10:12
And this approach works really well, I think,
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我觉得这个方法
10:14
for pre-planned procedures,
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对于预先计划好的手术来说效果是很不错的,
10:16
but it's something you do have to pre-plan.
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但你必须得预先计划好。
10:19
So for other kinds of operations,
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所以对其他类型的手术来说,
10:22
there's definitely a need for other
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采用支架方法
10:23
scaffold-based approaches.
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是非常有必要的。
10:26
And when you think about designing
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当你在思考
10:28
those other scaffolds, actually,
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设计那些支架的时候,
10:30
you need a really multi-disciplinary team.
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你需要一个多学科的团队。
10:32
And so our team has chemists,
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所以我们的团队里有化学家,
10:34
it has cell biologists, surgeons, physicists even,
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还有细胞生物学家,外科医生,甚至还有物理学家,
10:37
and those people all come together
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这些人都走到了一起,
10:39
and we think really hard about designing the materials.
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而且我们竭尽心思设计那些材料。
10:42
But we want to make them have enough information
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我们希望它们能提供足够多的信息,
10:45
that we can get the cells to do what we want,
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让我们能使细胞按我们的要求行动,
10:47
but not be so complex as to make it difficult
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但又不能太复杂,
10:49
to get to clinic.
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以免在临床上难以实践。
10:51
And so one of the things we think about a lot
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所以我们经常思考的事项之一,
10:54
is really trying to understand
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就是试图去明白
10:55
the structure of the tissues in the body.
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人体内组织的结构。
10:58
And so if we think of bone,
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当我们一想到骨骼时,
11:00
obviously my own favorite tissue,
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显然这是我最喜欢的组织,
11:02
we zoom in, we can see,
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我们把它放大,就能看到,
11:04
even if you don't know anything about bone structure,
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就算你一点都不知道骨骼结构也能看到,
11:06
it's beautifully organized, really beautifully organized.
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它结构很优美,真的很美,
11:08
We've lots of blood vessels in there.
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那里还有很多血管。
11:10
And if we zoom in again, we see that the cells
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我们再放大,就能看到
11:12
are actually surrounded by a 3D matrix
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这些细胞被纳米级别的纤维
11:15
of nano-scale fibers, and they give a lot
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像3D矩阵一样环绕着,
11:17
of information to the cells.
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他们为细胞提供很多信息。
11:20
And if we zoom in again,
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如果我们再放大,
11:21
actually in the case of bone, the matrix
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对骨骼来说,
11:23
around the cells is beautifully organized
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细胞周围的基质也形成纳米大小的优美结构。
11:26
at the nano scale, and it's a hybrid material
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而且它还是一种杂合性的材料,
11:28
that's part organic, part inorganic.
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就是部分有机,部分无机。
11:31
And that's led to a whole field, really,
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这为我们开拓了一个新的领域,真的,
11:33
that has looked at developing materials
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就是试图开发出
11:35
that have this hybrid kind of structure.
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具有这种杂合性结构的材料。
11:38
And so I'm showing here just two examples
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我在这里给大家看两个例子,
11:41
where we've made some materials that have that sort of structure,
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就是我们制造的有这种结构的物质,
11:44
and you can really tailor it.
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而且是可以量身定做的。
11:46
You can see here a very squishy one
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这边你可以看到软软的这一种,
11:48
and now a material that's also this hybrid sort of material
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而这边是一种杂合性材料做成的,
11:52
but actually has remarkable toughness,
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它的坚韧性非常显著,
11:54
and it's no longer brittle.
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而且它一点也不脆。
11:55
And an inorganic material would normally be really brittle,
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无机材料通常都比较脆,
11:58
and you wouldn't be able to have
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你就没有办法
11:59
that sort of strength and toughness in it.
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得到这种强度和韧性的。
12:01
One other thing I want to quickly mention is that
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另外一个我想很快地提一下,
12:04
many of the scaffolds we make are porous, and they have to be,
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就是我们做的很多支架都是多孔的,这是必须的,
12:07
because you want blood vessels to grow in there.
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因为你得让血管在里面发育生长。
12:09
But the pores are actually oftentimes
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但是这些孔很多时候
12:11
much bigger than the cells,
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却比细胞要大得多,
12:12
and so even though it's 3D,
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所以即使它是3D的,
12:14
the cell might see it more as a slightly curved surface,
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对于细胞来说可能会是一个弯曲的表面,
12:17
and that's a little bit unnatural.
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而这是有点违背自然规律的。
12:19
And so one of the things you can think about doing
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所以我们能做的
12:21
is actually making scaffolds with slightly different dimensions
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就是做一些稍微不同维度的支架,
12:24
that might be able to surround your cells in 3D
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这样就能3D地包围细胞,
12:27
and give them a little bit more information.
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让他们能拥有多一点信息。
12:29
And there's a lot of work going on in both of these areas.
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在这两个领域里,都有很多工作在进行着。
12:33
Now finally, I just want to talk a little bit about
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最后,我还想说说
12:37
applying this sort of thing to cardiovascular disease,
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在心血管疾病方面运用这种技术。
12:40
because this is a really big clinical problem.
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因为这是临床上一个比较大的问题。
12:43
And one of the things that we know is that,
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而我们所知的一件事就是,
12:46
unfortunately, if you have a heart attack,
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如果你不幸心脏病突发,
12:49
then that tissue can start to die,
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那么那里的组织会开始死亡,
12:52
and your outcome may not be very good over time.
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时间拖得越久,后果可能越严重。
12:55
And it would be really great, actually,
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如果我们能够,
12:57
if we could stop that dead tissue
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让死亡的组织不再继续死下去,
12:59
either from dying or help it to regenerate.
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或使它再生,那将很了不起。
13:03
And there's lots and lots of stem cell trials going on worldwide,
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现在在全世界范围内有很多这样的干细胞实验,
13:06
and they use many different types of cells,
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他们使用很多不同种类的细胞,
13:08
but one common theme that seems to be coming out
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但似乎得到的都是同一个结果,
13:11
is that actually, very often, those cells will die
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就是这些细胞,一旦你将之移植
13:14
once you've implanted them.
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通常都会死掉。
13:15
And you can either put them into the heart
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你可以把他们移植到心脏
13:17
or into the blood system,
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或血液中,
13:19
but either way, we don't seem to be able
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但不管哪一种方式,我们似乎都没法
13:22
to get quite the right number of cells
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使足够数量的细胞
13:24
getting to the location we want them to
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到我们想要的地方去,
13:26
and being able to deliver the sort of beautiful
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然后进行细胞再生,
13:30
cell regeneration that we would like to have
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那样我们才能
13:33
to get good clinical outcomes.
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得到较好的临床效果。
13:36
And so some of the things that we're thinking of,
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所以我们在思考的一些问题,
13:38
and many other people in the field are thinking of,
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而且很多同行的人也在思考的一些问题,
13:42
are actually developing materials for that.
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就是为此制造材料。
13:45
But there's a difference here.
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但这里有不同之处,
13:46
We still need chemistry, we still need mechanics,
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我们仍须化学和机械学,
13:48
we still need really interesting topography,
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我们还需要有趣的拓扑学,
13:51
and we still need really interesting ways to surround the cells.
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我们也需要有新意的方式来环绕细胞。
13:54
But now, the cells also
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但是这些细胞
13:56
would probably quite like a material
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可能也很像
13:58
that's going to be able to be conductive,
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一种具有传导性的材料,
14:00
because the cells themselves will respond very well
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因为细胞自身会很好地反馈
14:05
and will actually conduct signals between themselves.
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而且在彼此之间传导信息。
14:08
You can see them now
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你在这能看到
14:10
beating synchronously on these materials,
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细胞在这些材料上同步地跳动着,
14:12
and that's a very, very exciting development
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这是非常非常振奋人心的进展。
14:15
that's going on.
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这是非常非常振奋人心的进展。
14:17
So just to wrap up, I'd like to actually say that
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总结一下,我想说,
14:22
being able to work in this sort of field,
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能够在这样的领域工作,
14:24
all of us that work in this field
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对于我们所有在这个领域工作的人而言,
14:26
that's not only super-exciting science,
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这不仅是超级让人兴奋的科学,
14:28
but also has the potential
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它还有潜力
14:30
to impact on patients,
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对病人产生影响,
14:32
however big or small they are,
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不论这影响是大是小,
14:35
is really a great privilege.
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对我们都是一种荣幸。
14:36
And so for that, I'd like to thank all of you as well.
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为此我也要对你们说声感谢。
14:39
Thank you.
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谢谢你们。
14:41
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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