Molly Stevens: A new way to grow bone

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譯者: NAN-KUN WU 審譯者: Ying Wang
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As humans, it's in our nature
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身為人,想要增進健康以及
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to want to improve our health and minimize our suffering.
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減少痛苦是我們的天性。
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Whatever life throws at us,
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不論我們在生命中得到了什麼,
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whether it's cancer, diabetes, heart disease,
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不管是癌症、糖尿病、心臟病,
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or even broken bones, we want to try and get better.
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或甚至是骨折,我們都想要試著好起來。
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Now I'm head of a biomaterials lab,
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我現在是一間 生物材料實驗室的主持人,
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and I'm really fascinated by the way that humans
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我對於人類自古以來,
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have used materials in really creative ways
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在體內所使用的材料方面的創意
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in the body over time.
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感到相當驚訝。
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Take, for example, this beautiful blue nacre shell.
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例如這個珍珠貝漂亮的殼,
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This was actually used by the Mayans
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它曾經被馬雅人
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as an artificial tooth replacement.
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用來當做人工的牙齒替代品。
00:44
We're not quite sure why they did it.
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我們並不清楚他們為什麼這麼做,
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It's hard. It's durable.
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它很硬,也很耐用,
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But it also had other very nice properties.
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但是它也有其它很棒的特性。
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In fact, when they put it into the jawbone,
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事實上,當它們被放到頜骨裡面,
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it could integrate into the jaw,
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可能會和骨頭合而為一。
00:57
and we know now with very sophisticated
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先進的影像技術顯示,
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imaging technologies
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兩者相融的一部分原因
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that part of that integration comes from the fact
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來自於這種材料的
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that this material is designed
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特殊之處。
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in a very specific way, has a beautiful chemistry,
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不論在結構上
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has a beautiful architecture.
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或是化學上都是如此。
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And I think in many ways we can sort of think
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我認為在某些程度上,
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of the use of the blue nacre shell and the Mayans
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用了藍珍珠貝的馬雅人
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as the first real application
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是藍牙技術的
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of the bluetooth technology.
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先驅。
01:19
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:20
But if we move on and think throughout history
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如果我們觀察歷史上
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how people have used different materials in the body,
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人類是如何將不同的材料運用在身體上,
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very often it's been physicians
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就會發現這些傑作常常
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that have been quite creative.
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來自富有創意的醫師。
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They've taken things off the shelf.
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他們時常創新。
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One of my favorite examples
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我最喜歡的一個例子
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is that of Sir Harold Ridley,
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是關於 Harold Ridley 爵士。
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who was a famous ophthalmologist,
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他是一位有名的眼科醫師,
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or at least became a famous ophthalmologist.
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或至少成為了一位有名的眼科醫師。
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And during World War II, what he would see
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二次大戰期間,
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would be pilots coming back from their missions,
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他見到從任務結束后歸來的飛行員。
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and he noticed that within their eyes
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他注意到這些飛行員的眼睛裡
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they had shards of small bits of material
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卡了碎片,或是
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lodged within the eye,
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其它的小東西。
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but the very interesting thing about it
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但是有趣的是
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was that material, actually, wasn't causing
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這些東西並沒有
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any inflammatory response.
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引起任何的發炎反應。
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So he looked into this, and he figured out
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因此他仔細的調查了這件事,
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that actually that material was little shards of plastic
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他發現這些塑膠碎片
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that were coming from the canopy of the Spitfires.
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其實是來自噴火式戰機的座艙蓋。
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And this led him to propose that material
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這讓他提出使用這種物質
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as a new material for intraocular lenses.
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來製作新型人工水晶體。
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It's called PMMA, and it's now used
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這種物質叫做 PMMA,它現在每年
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in millions of people every year
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幫助數百萬人
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and helps in preventing cataracts.
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免於罹患白內障。
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And that example, I think, is a really nice one,
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我認為這個例子非常非常棒,
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because it helps remind us that in the early days,
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因為它提醒了我們,
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people often chose materials
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從前的人們總是根據生物惰性
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because they were bioinert.
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來選擇材料,
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Their very purpose was to perform a mechanical function.
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它們的唯一目的 就是進行機械的功能;
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You'd put them in the body
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你會把它們放進身體裡,
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and you wouldn't get an adverse response.
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而且不希望身體產生不良反應。
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And what I want to show you is that
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我想要展示給你們看的是
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in regenerative medicine,
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在再生醫學中,
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we've really shifted away from that idea
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我們並非一如往常地
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of taking a bioinert material.
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選擇生物惰性材料。
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We're actually actively looking for materials
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事實上我們積極地尋找
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that will be bioactive, that will interact with the body,
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會和身體產生反應的生物活性材料,
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and that furthermore we can put in the body,
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而且當我們把它們放到身體裡。
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they'll have their function,
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它們會執行功能,
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and then they'll dissolve away over time.
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然後會隨著時間被分解掉,
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If we look at this schematic,
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當我們仔細思考這個概念,
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this is showing you what we think of
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這是在告訴你們,
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as the typical tissue-engineering approach.
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我們心目中典型的生物工程技術。
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We have cells there, typically from the patient.
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我們有些細胞基本上是來自病人,
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We can put those onto a material,
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我們能夠把這些細胞放到材料上,
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and we can make that material very complex if we want to,
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如果想要的話,我們也 可以把這些材料做得很複雜,
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and we can then grow that up in the lab
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然後我們在實驗室裡培養這些細胞,
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or we can put it straight back into the patient.
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或者直接放回病患體內。
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And this is an approach that's used all over the world,
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這項技術在全世界被使用,
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including in our lab.
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包括我們的實驗室。
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But one of the things that's really important
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但是最重要的一件事情是:
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when we're thinking about stem cells
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當我們講到幹細胞時,
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is that obviously stem cells can be many different things,
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顯然它們能夠做到很多事,
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and they want to be many different things,
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它們也想做很多事,
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and so we want to make sure that the environment
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所以要確保我們讓它們生長的環境
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we put them into has enough information
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擁有足夠的訊息。
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so that they can become the right sort
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使幹細胞特化成為
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of specialist tissue.
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正確的組織。
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And if we think about the different types of tissues
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人們在世界各地的實驗室裡尋找
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that people are looking at regenerating
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各式各樣
擁有再生能力的組織,
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all over the world, in all the different labs in the world,
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there's pretty much every tissue you can think of.
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你所能想的到的各種組織都有,
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And actually, the structure of those tissues
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而且事實上這些組織之間
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is quite different, and it's going to really depend
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有很大的差異,
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on whether your patient has any underlying disease,
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也基於病人是否擁有相關疾病,
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other conditions, in terms of how
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或是其它的條件來決定。
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you're going to regenerate your tissue,
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要如何讓組織再生,
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and you're going to need to think about the materials
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也要謹慎選擇材料
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you're going to use really carefully,
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和使用材料;
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their biochemistry, their mechanics,
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要考慮到這些材料的生化、機械
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and many other properties as well.
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以及其它的特性。
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Our tissues all have very different abilities to regenerate,
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我們所有的組織再生的能力迥異,
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and here we see poor Prometheus,
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就像是可憐的普羅米修斯,
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who made a rather tricky career choice
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因為他一個狡猾的生涯決定
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and was punished by the Greek gods.
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而被希臘諸神所懲罰。
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He was tied to a rock, and an eagle would come
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他被綁在一塊石頭上,每天都會有一隻老鷹
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every day to eat his liver.
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來啄食他的肝臟。
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But of course his liver would regenerate every day,
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當然他的肝臟每天都會長回來,
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and so day after day he was punished
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所以諸神的懲罰日復一日
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for eternity by the gods.
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直到永遠。
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And liver will regenerate in this very nice way,
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肝臟有很強的再生能力,
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but actually if we think of other tissues,
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但是其它的組織就不一樣了,
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like cartilage, for example,
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以軟骨來說,
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even the simplest nick and you're going to find it
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即使是一個小缺損
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really difficult to regenerate your cartilage.
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也很難長回來。
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So it's going to be very different from tissue to tissue.
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所以組織之間有很大的差異。
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Now, bone is somewhere in between,
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好,骨骼介於兩者之間,
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and this is one of the tissues that we work on a lot in our lab.
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也是我們實驗室努力研究的對象。
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And bone is actually quite good at repairing.
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其實骨骼也很善於修補。
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It has to be. We've probably all had fractures
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它必須如此。我們可能
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at some point or other.
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都曾經經歷過骨折,
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And one of the ways that you can think
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有一種你可能想像得到的
修補骨折的方法,
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about repairing your fracture
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is this procedure here, called an iliac crest harvest.
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叫做髂嵴修補法。
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And what the surgeon might do
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外科醫師會做的
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is take some bone from your iliac crest,
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是取出髂嵴的部分骨骼,
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which is just here,
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就像這樣,
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and then transplant that somewhere else in the body.
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然後移植到身體的其它部位。
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And it actually works really well,
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這真的相當有效,
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because it's your own bone,
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因為它是你自己的骨頭,
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and it's well vascularized,
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同時也具有完整的血管系統,
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which means it's got a really good blood supply.
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也就是說它能得到充足的血液供應。
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But the problem is, there's only so much you can take,
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但是問題在於 你能取出的骨骼很有限,
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and also when you do that operation,
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而且在你進行手術之後兩年內,
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your patients might actually have significant pain
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手術部位可能
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in that defect site even two years after the operation.
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會讓病人感到相當痛苦。
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So what we were thinking is,
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所以我們在思考的是,
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there's a tremendous need for bone repair, of course,
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當然,骨骼的修復是很重要的,
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but this iliac crest-type approach
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但是這種髂嵴修補法
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really has a lot of limitations to it,
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有很多限制,
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and could we perhaps recreate
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我們能夠想出一種方法
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the generation of bone within the body
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讓骨頭在身體裡面再生
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on demand and then be able to transplant it
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並且能夠移植它
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without these very, very painful aftereffects
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同時避免像是髂嵴修補法產生的
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that you would have with the iliac crest harvest?
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劇烈疼痛等後遺症嗎?
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And so this is what we did, and the way we did it
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我們做到了,我們用的方法又回到 典型的組織工程法
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was by coming back to this typical tissue-engineering approach
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我們做到了,我們用的方法 又回到典型的組織工程法,
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but actually thinking about it rather differently.
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但是卻有不同的思路。
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And we simplified it a lot,
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我們也把它簡化了很多,
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so we got rid of a lot of these steps.
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所以可以省略很多步驟。
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We got rid of the need to harvest cells from the patient,
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我們省略了從病人體內取出細胞的步驟,
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we got rid of the need to put in really fancy chemistries,
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省略了把細胞放進 令人眼花繚亂的化學物質
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and we got rid of the need
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也省略了
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to culture these scaffolds in the lab.
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在實驗室裡培養這些組織的架構。
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And what we really focused on
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我們著重在於
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was our material system and making it quite simple,
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簡化材料系統,
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but because we used it in a really clever way,
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這樣的巧思,
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we were able to generate enormous amounts of bone
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讓我們能夠通過這種方法
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using this approach.
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作出大量的骨骼。
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So we were using the body
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我們把身體
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as really the catalyst to help us
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當做催化劑,
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to make lots of new bone.
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幫我們做出很多的新骨骼。
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And it's an approach that we call
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我們把這樣的方法
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the in vivo bioreactor, and we were able to make
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叫做體內生物反應器,利用這樣的方法
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enormous amounts of bone using this approach.
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我們能作出大量的骨骼。
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And I'll talk you through this.
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我現在詳細說明給你們聽。
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So what we do is,
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我們是這樣做的,
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in humans, we all have a layer of stem cells
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在人類的長骨外面
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on the outside of our long bones.
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有一層幹細胞。
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That layer is called the periosteum.
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叫做骨膜。
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And that layer is actually normally
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這層細胞通常會 非常非常緊密的和
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very, very tightly bound to the underlying bone,
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下面的骨頭結合,
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and it's got stem cells in it.
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幹細胞就位在其中
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Those stem cells are really important
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這些幹細胞
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in the embryo when it develops,
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對胚胎發育很重要,
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and they also sort of wake up if you have a fracture
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而它們在你骨折的時候就像被喚醒了一樣
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to help you with repairing the bone.
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幫助你修補骨頭。
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So we take that periosteum layer
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我們發展出了一種注射法,
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and we developed a way to inject underneath it
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在鼓膜底下
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a liquid that then, within 30 seconds,
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注射一種液體,
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would turn into quite a rigid gel
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30 秒之內液體就會硬化成膠狀
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and can actually lift the periosteum away from the bone.
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會把骨膜剝離骨骼
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So it creates, in essence, an artificial cavity
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實際上,它在骨頭 跟帶有很多幹細胞的這層膜之間
07:28
that is right next to both the bone
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製造了一個人工腔室,
07:32
but also this really rich layer of stem cells.
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但同時含有豐富的幹細胞。
07:36
And we go in through a pinhole incision
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然後我們會從一個 針孔般的切口進入,
07:37
so that no other cells from the body can get in,
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所以身體的其它細胞不會跑進去,
07:40
and what happens is that that artificial in vivo bioreactor cavity
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這個人工體內生物反應器
07:45
can then lead to the proliferation of these stem cells,
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能夠讓這些幹細胞增殖,
07:48
and they can form lots of new tissue,
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然後它們就可以變成很多新組織,
07:50
and then over time, you can harvest that tissue
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一段時間過後你就能收集這些細胞
07:52
and use it elsewhere in the body.
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並用在身體的其他部位。
07:55
This is a histology slide
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這是我們做這件事當時的
07:57
of what we see when we do that,
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組織切片,
07:59
and essentially what we see
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我們所看到的基本上
08:02
is very large amounts of bone.
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就是很多的骨骼。
08:03
So in this picture, you can see the middle of the leg,
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在這張圖片裡面,你能看到腿的中段,
08:06
so the bone marrow,
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這是骨髓,
08:07
then you can see the original bone,
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然後你可以看到原來的骨頭,
08:09
and you can see where that original bone finishes,
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原本的骨頭到這裡為止,
08:12
and just to the left of that is the new bone
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左邊的是在這個
08:15
that's grown within that bioreactor cavity,
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是在生物反應器裡面長出的新骨頭
08:17
and you can actually make it even larger.
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你也可以讓它長得更大
08:19
And that demarcation that you can see
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在原來的和新的骨頭之間
08:22
between the original bone and the new bone
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的界線
08:24
acts as a very slight point of weakness,
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有著非常微小的脆弱點,
08:26
so actually now the surgeon can come along,
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外科醫師現在就可以過來
08:28
can harvest away that new bone,
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將新的骨骼取走,
08:30
and the periosteum can grow back,
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然後骨膜會長回去,
08:32
so you're left with the leg
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你的腿
08:34
in the same sort of state
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在這樣的情況下
08:36
as if you hadn't operated on it in the first place.
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就像沒做過任何事一樣。
08:38
So it's very, very low in terms of after-pain
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所以和髂嵴修補法相比之下,
08:42
compared to an iliac crest harvest.
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術後幾乎可以說是完全沒有疼痛感。
08:45
And you can grow different amounts of bone
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你可以借由調整注射膠的量來
08:48
depending on how much gel you put in there,
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製造出不同量的骨頭,
08:50
so it really is an on demand sort of procedure.
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所以這個技術確實可以量身訂做。
08:53
Now, at the time that we did this,
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好,我們做這個計劃時
08:55
this received a lot of attention in the press,
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這項技術受到了媒體的大量關注,
08:58
because it was a really nice way
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因為這是
製造新骨骼很棒的方法,
09:01
of generating new bone,
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09:02
and we got many, many contacts
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也有很多人跟我們聯絡,
09:04
from different people that were interested in using this.
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他們對這種方法非常有興趣。
09:07
And I'm just going to tell you,
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我要讓你們知道的是,
09:09
sometimes those contacts are very strange,
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有時候這些和我們聯絡的人很奇怪,
09:12
slightly unexpected,
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甚至有點出乎意料,
09:13
and the very most interesting,
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我所遇過的
09:16
let me put it that way, contact that I had,
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最有趣的的聯絡人
09:19
was actually from a team of American footballers
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是美式足球隊員。
09:22
that all wanted to have double-thickness skulls
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他們想要有
09:25
made on their head.
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兩倍厚的頭骨。
09:30
And so you do get these kinds of contacts,
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就是這樣的一些人
09:32
and of course, being British
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當然囉,身為一個英國人
09:35
and also growing up in France,
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並且在法國長大,
09:37
I tend to be very blunt,
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我必須試著很客氣
09:39
and so I had to explain to them very nicely
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向他們解釋
09:41
that in their particular case,
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這裡實在是沒有太多東西需要被保護,
09:42
there probably wasn't that much in there
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因為
09:44
to protect in the first place.
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首先沒有足夠的材料去保護他們。
09:47
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:49
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:50
So this was our approach,
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這就是我們所用的方法,
09:52
and it was simple materials,
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材料非常簡單,
09:54
but we thought about it carefully.
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但是我們深思熟慮。
09:56
And actually we know that those cells
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我們也確實知道這些 在身體裡、在胚胎裡的細胞
09:57
in the body, in the embryo, as they develop
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當它們發育之後
09:59
can form a different kind of tissue, cartilage,
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能變成不同的組織,像是軟骨,
10:03
and so we developed a gel that was slightly different
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因此我們法展出了一種膠,
10:05
in nature and slightly different chemistry,
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這種膠和自然存在的不太一樣, 化學性質也不甚相同,
10:08
put it in there, and we were able to get
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注射進去之後,
10:10
100 percent cartilage instead.
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我們反而會得到百分之百的軟骨。
10:12
And this approach works really well, I think,
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我認為這項技術
10:14
for pre-planned procedures,
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對於有事先規劃的療程非常實用,
10:16
but it's something you do have to pre-plan.
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但是你必須要事先規劃好。
10:19
So for other kinds of operations,
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因此,對於其他手術來說
10:22
there's definitely a need for other
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有架構的方法
10:23
scaffold-based approaches.
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是絕對必須的。
10:26
And when you think about designing
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當你想要設計
10:28
those other scaffolds, actually,
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其他的架構時,實際上,
10:30
you need a really multi-disciplinary team.
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你需要有一個全方位的團隊。
10:32
And so our team has chemists,
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所以我們的團隊有化學家
10:34
it has cell biologists, surgeons, physicists even,
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細胞生物學家、外科醫師,甚至是物理學家
10:37
and those people all come together
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這些人聚在一起,
10:39
and we think really hard about designing the materials.
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絞盡腦汁才設計出這些材料。
10:42
But we want to make them have enough information
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我們希望讓他們獲得充足的資訊,
10:45
that we can get the cells to do what we want,
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讓細胞做到我們期望的,
10:47
but not be so complex as to make it difficult
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但是不能過於複雜而難以
10:49
to get to clinic.
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應用在臨床上。
10:51
And so one of the things we think about a lot
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因此我們想到了
10:54
is really trying to understand
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要了解人
10:55
the structure of the tissues in the body.
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人體內組織的結構,
10:58
And so if we think of bone,
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當我們想到骨骼
11:00
obviously my own favorite tissue,
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顯然是我最喜歡的組織,
11:02
we zoom in, we can see,
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放大來看,
11:04
even if you don't know anything about bone structure,
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既使你對它一無所知,
11:06
it's beautifully organized, really beautifully organized.
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也會看到它是有組織的,非常有組織。
11:08
We've lots of blood vessels in there.
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裡面有非常多的血管,
11:10
And if we zoom in again, we see that the cells
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如果再放大來看,會看到細胞是被
11:12
are actually surrounded by a 3D matrix
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奈米等級的纖維形成的 3D 結構包圍,
11:15
of nano-scale fibers, and they give a lot
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這些纖維會
11:17
of information to the cells.
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提供細胞很多訊息。
11:20
And if we zoom in again,
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再放大,在骨頭的例子中
11:21
actually in the case of bone, the matrix
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包圍細胞的胞外物質,
11:23
around the cells is beautifully organized
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形成了非常有組織
11:26
at the nano scale, and it's a hybrid material
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的奈米結構,
11:28
that's part organic, part inorganic.
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同時也是兼具有機與無機的結構。
11:31
And that's led to a whole field, really,
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那是這個領域的根本,
11:33
that has looked at developing materials
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也讓我們想到要發展
11:35
that have this hybrid kind of structure.
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兼具有機與無機的材料。
11:38
And so I'm showing here just two examples
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我現在要講的兩個例子
11:41
where we've made some materials that have that sort of structure,
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是我們所製造出並具有相似結構的材料
11:44
and you can really tailor it.
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而且可以客製化。
11:46
You can see here a very squishy one
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這個材料質地像糊
11:48
and now a material that's also this hybrid sort of material
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但是與這種材料混合的另一種材料
11:52
but actually has remarkable toughness,
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卻具有非同尋常的堅硬度,
11:54
and it's no longer brittle.
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也不易碎。
11:55
And an inorganic material would normally be really brittle,
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一般無機材料是易碎的,
11:58
and you wouldn't be able to have
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也無法擁有
11:59
that sort of strength and toughness in it.
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如此的力量與韌性。
12:01
One other thing I want to quickly mention is that
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我想快速帶過另外一件事情,
12:04
many of the scaffolds we make are porous, and they have to be,
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很多我們做出的架構是有孔的, 它們也必須如此,
12:07
because you want blood vessels to grow in there.
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因為我們希望血管能在其中生長,
12:09
But the pores are actually oftentimes
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但是這些孔洞常常
12:11
much bigger than the cells,
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比細胞大上許多,
12:12
and so even though it's 3D,
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所以即使它是 3D 的,
12:14
the cell might see it more as a slightly curved surface,
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在細胞看來也是個曲面,
12:17
and that's a little bit unnatural.
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這件事情不太自然。
12:19
And so one of the things you can think about doing
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其中一個解決辦法就是,
12:21
is actually making scaffolds with slightly different dimensions
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讓架構在度量上有點不同,
12:24
that might be able to surround your cells in 3D
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讓它能夠以 3D 的形式包住細胞
12:27
and give them a little bit more information.
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然後給它們更多的訊息。
12:29
And there's a lot of work going on in both of these areas.
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在這些領域,許多研究正在進行
12:33
Now finally, I just want to talk a little bit about
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最後,我想說說把這些東西在
12:37
applying this sort of thing to cardiovascular disease,
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心血管疾病上的應用,
12:40
because this is a really big clinical problem.
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因為這些疾病在臨床上相當重要。
12:43
And one of the things that we know is that,
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我們知道的一件事情是,很不幸的
12:46
unfortunately, if you have a heart attack,
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如果你有了心肌梗塞,
12:49
then that tissue can start to die,
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那裡的組織就會開始壞死,
12:52
and your outcome may not be very good over time.
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長期下來的後果不會太好。
12:55
And it would be really great, actually,
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如果我們能
12:57
if we could stop that dead tissue
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阻止組織壞死那就太棒了
12:59
either from dying or help it to regenerate.
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不論是從阻止壞死或是幫助它再生。
13:03
And there's lots and lots of stem cell trials going on worldwide,
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現在全世界進行著 非常多的幹細胞試驗,
13:06
and they use many different types of cells,
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他們用了很多種不同的細胞,
13:08
but one common theme that seems to be coming out
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但是有一件事情常常發生,
13:11
is that actually, very often, those cells will die
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那就是這些細胞在被植入
13:14
once you've implanted them.
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之後就會死亡。
13:15
And you can either put them into the heart
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你可以把它們放進心臟
13:17
or into the blood system,
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或是血液系統裡頭,
13:19
but either way, we don't seem to be able
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但無論是哪種方法,我們似乎都不能
13:22
to get quite the right number of cells
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讓細胞
13:24
getting to the location we want them to
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到達我們希望它們去的部位,
13:26
and being able to deliver the sort of beautiful
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然後進行美妙的
13:30
cell regeneration that we would like to have
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細胞再生,
13:33
to get good clinical outcomes.
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得到良好的療效。
13:36
And so some of the things that we're thinking of,
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因此,我們以及在這個領域的很多人
13:38
and many other people in the field are thinking of,
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在思考的事情是,
13:42
are actually developing materials for that.
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發展出能夠做到這些事情的材料。
13:45
But there's a difference here.
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但是不同的是,
13:46
We still need chemistry, we still need mechanics,
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我們仍然需要化學、力學,
13:48
we still need really interesting topography,
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需要很有趣的拓樸學,
13:51
and we still need really interesting ways to surround the cells.
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也需要能夠研究 這些細胞的有趣方法。
13:54
But now, the cells also
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目前,這些細胞
13:56
would probably quite like a material
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比較像是
13:58
that's going to be able to be conductive,
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能夠傳導的材料,
14:00
because the cells themselves will respond very well
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因為這些細胞 會對訊號做出很好的回應,
14:05
and will actually conduct signals between themselves.
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並在彼此之間傳遞這些訊號。
14:08
You can see them now
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你可以看到這些細胞在材料上
14:10
beating synchronously on these materials,
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同步跳動,
14:12
and that's a very, very exciting development
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這真的是
14:15
that's going on.
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令人相當興奮的進展。
14:17
So just to wrap up, I'd like to actually say that
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總而言之,我想說的是
14:22
being able to work in this sort of field,
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能在這個領域工作,
14:24
all of us that work in this field
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對在這個領域的所有人來說,
14:26
that's not only super-exciting science,
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這不只是令人超級興奮的科學,
14:28
but also has the potential
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也對病人
14:30
to impact on patients,
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有潛在影響力,
14:32
however big or small they are,
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不論這些影響是大是小,
14:35
is really a great privilege.
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都是很好的恩典。
14:36
And so for that, I'd like to thank all of you as well.
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在此我也想要感謝你們所有人。
14:39
Thank you.
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謝謝。
14:41
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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