Louise Fresco on feeding the whole world

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翻译人员: Halei Liu 校对人员: Ella Xu
00:12
I'm not at all a cook.
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我完全不是一个厨师。
00:14
So don't fear, this is not going to be a cooking demonstration.
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所以用不着害怕,这不会变成一个饮食示范栏目。
00:17
But I do want to talk to you about something
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但是我的确会谈谈一个
00:19
that I think is dear to all of us.
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让我们都感到惊讶的事情。
00:22
And that is bread -- something which is as simple
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那就是面包 -- 一个简单的就像
00:25
as our basic, most fundamental human staple.
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人类最基本最根本的主食。
00:29
And I think few of us spend the day
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我想我们中只有很少数人在今天
00:32
without eating bread in some form.
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没有吃以面包为形式的食物。
00:35
Unless you're on one of these Californian low-carb diets,
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除非你是那些加州低碳水化合物饮食者之一,
00:39
bread is standard.
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面包是标准的。
00:41
Bread is not only standard in the Western diet.
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面包不仅仅在西方的饮食中是一个标准。
00:43
As I will show to you, it is actually
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就像我要给你们展示的,它实际上
00:45
the mainstay of modern life.
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是现代生活的一个基石。
00:48
So I'm going to bake bread for you.
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所以我要为你们烤一份面包。
00:50
In the meantime I'm also talking to you,
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同时呢,我也会跟你们聊聊天。
00:53
so my life is going to be complicated. Bear with me.
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所以我的生活将变得复杂了。忍着点吧。
00:56
First of all, a little bit of audience participation.
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第一,一点点观众参与节目。
01:00
I have two loaves of bread here.
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我这有两条面包。
01:03
One is a supermarket standard:
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一个是超市标准,
01:06
white bread, pre-packaged,
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白面包,包装好的,
01:08
which I'm told is called a Wonderbread.
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我被告知这叫做神奇面包。
01:11
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:12
I didn't know this word until I arrived.
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在我来之前我还不知道这个名词。
01:14
And this is more or less,
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然后这个就是,
01:17
a whole-meal, handmade,
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一个全麦,手工制作,
01:19
small-bakery loaf of bread.
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小面包房里的一条面包。
01:21
Here we go. I want to see a show of hands.
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开始吧,我想看一场手上的表演。
01:24
Who prefers the whole-meal bread?
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谁更喜欢全麦面包?
01:29
Okay let me do this differently. Is anybody preferring the Wonderbread at all?
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好吧,让我换个方式说。有人喜欢神奇面包吗?
01:33
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:34
I have two tentative male hands.
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我得到了两个精明的男士的手。
01:38
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:41
Okay, now the question is really,
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好吧,现在真正的问题是,
01:44
why is this so?
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为什么会这样?
01:46
And I think it is because
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我认为这是因为
01:48
we feel that this kind of bread
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我们认为这一类面包(全麦)
01:51
really is about authenticity.
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多多少少真实一点。
01:54
It's about a traditional way of living.
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这就是传统的生活方式。
01:57
A way that is perhaps more real, more honest.
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一种大约更真实,更诚恳的方法。
02:01
This is an image from Tuscany, where we feel
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这是一副托斯卡纳的图片,一个让我们
02:04
agriculture is still about beauty.
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感觉农业仍然是美丽的地方。
02:06
And life is really, too.
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事实上,也是一样的。
02:08
And this is about good taste, good traditions.
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而且这是好吃的,好的传统。
02:12
Why do we have this image?
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我们为什么会这么想?
02:14
Why do we feel that this is more true than this?
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我们为什么会认为这比另外一个更真实一点呢?
02:19
Well I think it has a lot to do with our history.
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我认为这和我们的历史有很大的关系。
02:22
In the 10,000 years since agriculture evolved,
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在农业发展的1万年里,
02:25
most of our ancestors have actually been agriculturalists
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大多数我们的祖先实际上都是农业生产者
02:29
or they were closely related to food production.
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或者和食物生产有着紧密的联系。
02:32
And we have this mythical image
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然后我们有着这个神话般的印象
02:34
of how life was in rural areas in the past.
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关于过去田园般的生活是怎么样的。
02:38
Art has helped us to maintain that kind of image.
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艺术帮助我们维持了这样的一种印象。
02:41
It was a mythical past.
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这是一个神话般的过去。
02:44
Of course, the reality is quite different.
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当然了,现实是十分不一样的。
02:46
These poor farmers
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这些可怜的农民们
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working the land by hand or with their animals,
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在用自己的双手或靠动物在土地上耕耘,
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had yield levels that are comparable
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他们的收入水平可以和
02:53
to the poorest farmers today in West Africa.
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今年西非最贫困的地方相提并论。
02:56
But we have, somehow,
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但是,我们,不知道怎么样的,
02:58
in the course of the last few centuries, or even decades,
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在过去的几十上百年里
03:02
started to cultivate an image of
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开始刻画出一幅
03:04
a mythical, rural agricultural past.
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神话般的,田园般的农业历史印象。
03:08
It was only 200 years ago
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大约在两百年前
03:10
that we had the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
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我们才有了工业革命的开端。
03:13
And while I'm starting to make some bread for you here,
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而且就在我要开始给你们做些面包的时候,
03:16
it's very important to understand
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了解这个革命对我们有什么影响
03:18
what that revolution did to us.
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是十分重要的。
03:21
It brought us power. It brought us mechanization, fertilizers.
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它给我们带来了力量。它给我们带来了机械化,化肥。
03:27
And it actually drove up our yields.
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而且它实际上提高了我们的产出。
03:29
And even sort of horrible things, like picking beans by hand,
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而且像某些可怕的工作,如用手来剥豆子,
03:33
can now be done automatically.
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可以用自动化来代替。
03:36
All that is a real, great improvement, as we shall see.
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所有的一切真的都是伟大的提高,我们也应该这样来看待。
03:41
Of course we also, particularly in the last decade,
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当然我们也,特别是在前几十年里,
03:45
managed to envelop the world
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让我们的世界包裹在
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in a dense chain of supermarkets,
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一个超市链里,
03:50
in a chain of global trade.
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一个全球贸易里。
03:53
And it means that you now eat products,
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而且它意味着,你们现在所吃的产品,
03:55
which can come from all around the world.
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可以是来自世界各地。
03:58
That is the reality of our modern life.
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这就是我们现代生活的现实。
04:01
Now you may prefer this loaf of bread.
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现在也许你更喜欢这条面包。
04:05
Excuse my hands but this is how it is.
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请原谅我的手,但是现在它只能这样。
04:08
But actually the real relevant bread,
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但是一个真正贴切的面包,
04:11
historically, is this white Wonder loaf.
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从历史上发展角度讲,应该是这个白色的神奇面包。
04:15
And don't despise the white bread
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而且不要瞧不起这个白面包
04:18
because it really, I think,
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因为真的,我想,
04:21
symbolizes the fact that bread and food
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它是象征着面包以及食物
04:24
have become plentiful and affordable to all.
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已经是丰富的,而且大家都可以承受的。
04:28
And that is a feat that we
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而且这是我们大家
04:30
are not really conscious of that much.
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都没有察觉到的一个功绩。
04:33
But it has changed the world.
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但是它已经改变了世界。
04:35
This tiny bread that is tasteless in some ways
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这个吃起来有点无味,
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and has a lot of problems
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并且有很多问题的面包
04:40
has changed the world.
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已经改变了世界。
04:43
So what is happening?
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所以,发生了什么?
04:45
Well the best way to look at that is to do a tiny bit of simplistic statistics.
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解释这个的最好办法是做一点点的简单数据处理。
04:49
With the advent of the Industrial Revolution
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在工业革命的开端,
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with modernization of agriculture
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在农业的现代化
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in the last few decades, since the 1960s,
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在过去几十年里,自从1960年来,
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food availability, per head, in this world,
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食品供应,每人,在这个世界里
05:01
has increased by 25 percent.
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已经上升了25%。
05:04
And the world population in the meantime has doubled.
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同时世界的人口数也升了一倍。
05:08
That means that we have now more food available
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这意味这我们的食物供应
05:11
than ever before in human history.
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比以前人类历史还要多。
05:13
And that is the result, directly,
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而结果是,直接的
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of being so successful
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让提升我们产品的规模和数量
05:17
at increasing the scale and volume of our production.
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是十分成功的。
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And this is true, as you can see, for all countries,
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而且这是真的,就像你所看到的,这是对所有的国家而言,
05:24
including the so-called developing countries.
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包括那些所谓的发展中国家。
05:26
What happened to our bread in the meantime?
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那同时我们的面包又怎么样了呢?
05:29
As food became plentiful here,
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当这里的食物变的十分丰富的时候,
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it also meant that we were able to decrease
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这也意味着我们可以降低
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the number of people working in agriculture
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从事与农业有关的人员数量,
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to something like, on average, in the high income countries,
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平均算下来,在高收入国家,
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five percent or less of the population.
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只占人口的5%或更少。
05:45
In the U.S. only one percent of the people are actually farmers.
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在美国,只有1%的人算的上是农民。
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And it frees us all up to do other things --
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而这解放了我们去做其他的事情 --
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to sit at TED meetings and not to worry about our food.
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比如来TED开会而不用去担心我们的食物。
05:55
That is, historically, a really unique situation.
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这是,历史性的,一个十分独特的情况。
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Never before has the responsibility to feed the world
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喂养全世界的责任从未
06:03
been in the hands of so few people.
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掌握在如此少数人的手中。
06:05
And never before have so many people
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而且从来没有这么多人
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been oblivious of that fact.
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忘记了这个事实。
06:11
So as food became more plentiful, bread became cheaper.
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所以当食物变的丰富的时候,面包变的更便宜了。
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And as it became cheaper, bread manufacturers decided to add in all kinds of things.
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当面包变的便宜了,面包制造商决定加入各种各样的食物。
06:19
We added in more sugar.
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我们加入更多的糖。
06:21
We add in raisins and oil and milk
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我们加入葡萄干,油和牛奶,
06:27
and all kinds of things to make bread,
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以及所有的东西去做面包,
06:29
from a simple food into kind of a support for calories.
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从一个简单的食物到一种卡路里的补给品。
06:34
And today, bread now is associated with obesity,
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现在今天,面包则代表着肥胖,
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which is very strange.
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这很奇怪。
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It is the basic, most fundamental food
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这是基础,最基础的食物,
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that we've had in the last ten thousand years.
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我们在上一万年前都在食用它。
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Wheat is the most important crop -- the first crop we domesticated
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面粉是最重要的作物 -- 第一种我们培育的作物,
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and the most important crop we still grow today.
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以及我们现在仍然在种植的重要植物。
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But this is now this strange concoction
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现在却奇怪的变成了
06:54
of high calories.
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卡路里炮制品。
06:56
And that's not only true in this country,
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这不仅仅是在这个国家,
06:59
it is true all over the world.
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而是存在于全世界。
07:01
Bread has migrated to tropical countries,
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面包已经被移植热带国家
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where the middle classes now eat French rolls and hamburgers
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那里的中产阶层现在食用着法棍和汉堡包
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and where the commuters
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那里的上班族
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find bread much more handy to use
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发现面包比米和木薯
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than rice or cassava.
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要更方便。
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So bread has become from a main staple,
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所以面包已经从主要的主食,
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a source of calories
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一种卡路里的食物
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associated with obesity
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变成肥胖的代名词,
07:22
and also a source of modernity,
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也变成现代生活的
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of modern life.
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一种现代资源。
07:26
And the whiter the bread, in many countries, the better it is.
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而且在很多国家,面包越白越好。
07:29
So this is the story of bread as we know it now.
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所以现在我们知道了面包的故事。
07:32
But of course the price of mass production
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但是当然,大规模生产的代价是
07:36
has been that we moved large-scale.
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我们改变的都很大。
07:39
And large-scale has meant destruction of many of our landscapes,
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做大意味这我们的很多土地都被破坏了,
07:43
destruction of biodiversity --
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对生物多样化的破坏 --
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still a lonely emu here
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在巴西的cerrado(巴西一个区域)大豆田里
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in the Brazilian cerrado soybean fields.
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仍然只有一种鸸鹋。
07:50
The costs have been tremendous --
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代价是巨大的 --
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water pollution, all the things you know about, destruction of our habitats.
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水污染了,你所知道的所有事情都破坏了我们的居住地。
07:56
What we need to do is to go back to understanding what our food is about.
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我们所需要做的事情是,退回去了解我们的食物是什么。
08:01
And this is where I have to query all of you.
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这就是我要来考考你们所有的人。
08:03
How many of you can actually tell wheat apart from other cereals?
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你们其中有多少人可以分辨小麦和其他的谷物?
08:07
How many of you actually can make a bread
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你们其中有多少人可以不用开启面包机
08:10
in this way, without starting with a bread machine
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不用其他的添加剂,
08:13
or just some kind of packaged flavor?
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手工制作一个面包
08:17
Can you actually bake bread? Do you know how much a loaf of bread actually costs?
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你们可以烤面包吗?你们知道一条面包到底要花多少钱吗?
08:21
We have become very removed
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我们离面包真正是什么
08:23
from what our bread really is,
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越来越远了,
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which, again, evolutionarily speaking,
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这再一次的,就进化来说,
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is very strange.
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是十分奇怪的。
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In fact not many of you know that
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事实上,我们其中很多人不知道
08:31
our bread, of course, was not a European invention.
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我们的面包,显然的,不是来自欧洲。
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It was invented by farmers in Iraq
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它是被伊拉克的农民所发明的
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and Syria in particular.
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特别是在叙利亚。
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The tiny spike on the left to the center
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在中间靠左的小尖尖
08:40
is actually the forefather of wheat.
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其实是小麦的祖先。
08:43
This is where it all comes from,
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这是所有的开端。
08:45
and where these farmers who actually, ten thousand years ago,
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这也是1万年前那些农民
08:48
put us on the road of bread.
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带领我们走上面包之路的时候。
08:51
Now it is not surprising
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现在这毫不惊奇的,
08:53
that with this massification and large-scale production,
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在大规模大产量的生产下,
08:56
there is a counter-movement that emerged --
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这里掀起了一种反运动 --
08:58
very much also here in California.
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很多,加利福尼亚也有。
09:00
The counter-movement says, "Let's go back to this.
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反运动说道,“让我们回到过去。
09:03
Let's go back to traditional farming.
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让我们回到传统的农业。
09:05
Let's go back to small-scale, to farmers' markets,
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让我们回到小规模,农业市场,
09:09
small bakeries and all that." Wonderful.
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小面包房和所有的一切。真奇妙。
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Don't we all agree? I certainly agree.
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我们都不同意吗?我当然同意。
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I would love to go back to Tuscany
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我愿意回到托斯卡纳
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to this kind of traditional setting,
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回到这种传统的设置,
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gastronomy, good food.
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美食,和好食物。
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But this is a fallacy.
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但是这是一个谬论。
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And the fallacy comes from idealizing
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这个谬论来自于理想化一个
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a past that we have forgotten about.
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我们已经忘记的过去。
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If we do this, if we want to stay with traditional small-scale farming
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如果我们这样做,如果我们停留在传统的小型农业
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we are going, actually, to relegate
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我们会,就会,去贬低
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these poor farmers and their husbands --
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这些农民和她们的老公。
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among whom I have lived for many years,
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他们和我们共同生活了很多年,
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working without electricity and water, to try to improve their food production --
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不用电力和水工作着,尝试提高他们的食物生产。
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we relegate them to poverty.
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我们压制他们到贫穷。
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What they want are implements
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他们所需要的是实现
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to increase their production:
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提高他们的产量 --
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something to fertilize the soil,
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一些肥化他们土壤的东西,
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something to protect their crop and to bring it to a market.
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一些保护他们作物的东西,然后运输他们的产品进入市场。
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We cannot just think that small-scale
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我们不能就去想小作坊
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is the solution to the world food problem.
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是全球食物问题的解决方法。
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It's a luxury solution for us who can afford it,
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那是一个我们不能承受的奢侈解决方案,
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if you want to afford it.
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如果你想去承受它。
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In fact we do not want this poor woman
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事实上我们不想让贫穷的女人
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to work the land like this.
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在这样的土地上工作。
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If we say just small-scale production,
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如果我们就说小作坊生产,
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as is the tendency here,
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就像这里的趋势一样,
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to go back to local food means that a poor man like Hans Rosling
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回到区域食物,意味着这个像汉斯罗素玲的贫穷女人
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cannot even eat oranges anymore
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则不能再吃橙子了
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because in Scandinavia we don't have oranges.
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因为北欧地区我们没有橙子。
10:21
So local food production is out.
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所以区域食物被淘汰了。
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But also we do not want
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但是同时我们也不想
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to relegate to poverty in the rural areas.
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去贬低农村地区的贫困。
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And we do not want to relegate
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而且我们也不想让
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the urban poor to starvation.
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城市内的穷人受饿。
10:33
So we must find other solutions.
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所以我们必须找到另外的解决方法。
10:36
One of our problems is that world food production
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我们其中的一个问题是世界食物产量
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needs to increase very rapidly --
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必须快速增长 --
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doubling by about 2030.
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在2030年要翻倍。
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The main driver of that is actually meat.
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其中主要的推动力是肉类。
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And meat consumption in Southeast Asia and China in particular
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特别是东南亚和中国对肉的消耗
10:49
is what drives the prices of cereals.
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是对谷物价格影响的重要因素
10:54
That need for animal protein is going to continue.
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对动物蛋白的需要会继续
10:58
We can discuss alternatives in another talk, perhaps one day,
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也许在另一天的另一个演讲里我们可以谈谈可选择性。
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but this is our driving force.
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但是这是我们的驱动力。
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So what can we do?
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所以我们能怎么办?
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Can we find a solution to produce more?
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我们可以找到生产更多的解决方法吗?
11:09
Yes. But we need mechanization.
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可以,但是我们需要机械化。
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And I'm making a real plea here.
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所以这里我要认个罪。
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I feel so strongly that you cannot ask a small farmer
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我强烈的感受到,你不能去要求一个农民
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to work the land and bend over to grow a hectare of rice,
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去田地里工作,去不辞劳苦的种一公顷大米,
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150,000 times, just to plant a crop and weed it.
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弯上15万次腰,就是种植一种作物和施肥。
11:26
You cannot ask people to work under these conditions.
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你不能要求这些人们在这样的条件下工作。
11:29
We need clever low-key mechanization
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我们需要智能易操作机械化
11:32
that avoids the problems of the large-scale mechanization that we've had.
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那能避免一些大规模机械化所带来的问题。
11:36
So what can we do?
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所以我们能做什么呢?
11:38
We must feed three billion people in cities.
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我们必须喂养城市中的30亿人。
11:41
We will not do that through small farmers' markets
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我们不会通过小的农贸市场
11:43
because these people have no small farmers' markets at their disposal.
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因为这些人的处境中没有小农业市场。
11:47
They have low incomes. And they benefit
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他们是低收入。而且他们从
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from cheap, affordable, safe and diverse food.
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便宜的,可承受的,安全和多样化的食物中获利。
11:53
That's what we must aim for in the next 20 to 30 years.
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我们必须在以后20到30年达到那个目标
11:56
But yes there are some solutions.
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但是的确这里有一些解决方法。
11:58
And let me just do one simple conceptual thing:
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让我来做一个简单的概念化的事情:
12:02
if I plot science as a proxy
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如果我假设科学是个常数
12:05
for control of the production process and scale.
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用来控制生产速度和规模。
12:09
What you see is that we've started
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你可以看到的是,
12:11
in the left-hand corner with traditional agriculture,
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在左手边角我们开始了传统的农业,
12:14
which was sort of small-scale and low-control.
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那是一种小规模和低控制度的。
12:17
We've moved towards large-scale and very high control.
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我们已经像大规模和高控制的方向前进。
12:21
What I want us to do is to keep up the science and even get more science in there
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我想让大家做的是,在这里保持这个科学甚至在这里去开阔更多的科学。
12:26
but go to a kind of regional scale --
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但是深入到一种区域范围 --
12:28
not just in terms of the scale of the fields,
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不仅仅只着眼于土地,
12:30
but in terms of the entire food network.
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但是就整个食物关系网而言。
12:33
That's where we should move.
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那才是我们要达到的。
12:35
And the ultimate may be, but it doesn't apply to cereals,
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而且最终也许会,但是不会对谷物有影响,
12:38
that we have entirely closed ecosystems --
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我们有一整个封闭的生态系统 --
12:41
the horticultural systems right at the top left-hand corner.
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在左手上方角里的园艺系统。
12:45
So we need to think differently about agriculture science.
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所以我们必须去用不同的角度来思考科学。
12:49
Agriculture science for most people -- and there are not many farmers
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农业科学对大多数人来说,而且在坐的
12:51
among you here --
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没有太多农民,
12:53
has this name of being bad,
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有了一个不好的名声,
12:56
of being about pollution, about large-scale,
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有了一个污染,大规模化,
12:58
about the destruction of the environment.
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破坏环境的名声。
13:00
That is not necessary.
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那没有必要。
13:02
We need more science and not less. And we need good science.
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我们需要更多科学而不是更少,而且我们需要好的科学。
13:05
So what kind of science can we have?
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所以我们可以有什么样的科学呢?
13:07
Well first of all I think
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好吧,我想第一个是
13:09
we can do much better on the existing technologies.
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我们可以在现存的科技上做的更好。
13:12
Use biotechnology where useful,
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用有用的生物技术,
13:14
particularly in pest and disease resistance.
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特别是在对疾病和害虫的防御上。
13:17
There are also robots, for example,
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这里也有机器人,比如说,
13:19
who can recognize weeds
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那些可以在半尺内
13:21
with a resolution of half an inch.
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辨认种子的机器人。
13:24
We have much cleverer irrigation.
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我们有更聪明的灌溉系统。
13:26
We do not need to spill the water if we don't want to.
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我们如果不想可以不去洒水。
13:30
And we need to think very dispassionately
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我们必须去十分冷静的思考
13:33
about the comparative advantages
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去比较
13:35
of small-scale and large-scale.
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小规模的和大规模的优势。
13:38
We need to think that land is multi-functional.
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我们必须想到土地是多功能的。
13:40
It has different functions.
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土地有不同的功能。
13:42
There are different ways in which we must use it --
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有着我们必须使用的不同的方法 --
13:45
for residential, for nature, for agriculture purposes.
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为居住,为自然,为农业目的。
13:48
And we also need to re-examine livestock.
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我们也必须去重估畜牧业。
13:51
Go regional and go to urban food systems.
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到地区里去,到城市里的食物系统里。
13:54
I want to see fish ponds in parking lots and basements.
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我想看到在停车场和地下室里的鱼塘。
13:58
I want to have horticulture
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我想看到在居住区域顶层的
14:00
and greenhouses on top of residential areas.
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园艺和温室。
14:03
And I want to use the energy that comes from those greenhouses
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而且我想用从温室里和
14:06
and from the fermentation of crops
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作物发酵所产生的能量
14:08
to heat our residential areas.
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来供应居住区域的热能。
14:10
There are all kinds of ways we can do it.
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这里有我们所有可以运用的方法。
14:12
We cannot solve the world food problem
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我们不能用生态农业来
14:14
by using biological agriculture.
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解决世界粮食问题。
14:16
But we can do a lot more.
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但是我们我们做的更多。
14:19
And the main thing that I would really ask all of you
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其中一个主要的事情就是,我真的想让所有的在座的
14:22
as you go back to your countries, or as you stay here:
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当你们回到你们的国家里时,或当你们就在这里时,
14:25
ask your government for an integrated food policy.
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去要求你们政府出台一个综合性的粮食政策。
14:29
Food is as important as energy,
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食物和能量一样重要,
14:32
as security, as the environment.
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和安全一样重要,和环境一样重要。
14:34
Everything is linked together.
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所有的事情都是交融在一起的。
14:36
So we can do that. In fact in a densely populated country
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我们可以做到。实际上在一个密集人口的国家
14:39
like the River Delta, where I live in the Netherlands,
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像我住的荷兰的河流三角流域,
14:42
we have combined these functions.
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我们已经融合了这些功能。
14:44
So this is not science fiction. We can combine things
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所以这不是一个科学幻想。我们可以组合事情
14:47
even in a social sense of making
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甚至在社会上
14:49
the rural areas more accessible to people --
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让田园区域更能接近人民 --
14:51
to house, for example, the chronically sick.
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接近房间,比如,长期病患者。
14:54
There is all kinds of things we can do.
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我们可以做很多种事情。
14:56
But there is something you must do. It's not enough for me to say,
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但是有些事情是你们必须去做的。光说是不够的,
14:59
"Let's get more bold science into agriculture."
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“让我们在农业科学里更大胆一些。”
15:02
You must go back
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你必须回去,
15:04
and think about your own food chain.
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想想你自己的食物链。
15:06
Talk to farmers. When was the last time
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和农民谈谈。你们上一次到农民那去
15:08
you went to a farm and talked to a farmer?
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和农民聊天是什么时候?
15:10
Talk to people in restaurants.
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和饭店里的人谈谈。
15:12
Understand where you are in the food chain,
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了解你在食物链的那个地方,
15:14
where your food comes from.
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你的食物从何而来。
15:16
Understand that you are part
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了解到你是这
15:18
of this enormous chain of events.
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不平凡的链条中的一部分。
15:20
And that frees you up to do other things.
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而那会解放你去做其他的事情。
15:23
And above all, to me, food is about respect.
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综上所述,就我而言,食物就是尊重。
15:27
It's about understanding, when you eat,
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那是有关于理解当你在吃饭时
15:29
that there are also many people who are still in this situation,
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还有很多人民仍然处在这种情况,
15:33
who are still struggling for their daily food.
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他们仍然在会他们的每日粮食所挣扎。
15:36
And the kind of simplistic solutions that we sometimes have,
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而那些所有我们时常会有的简单解决方式,
15:39
to think that doing everything by hand
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想到用手工来做所有的事情
15:41
is going to be the solution,
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就是解决问题的方法,
15:43
is really not morally justified.
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实际上从道德角度讲是不合理的。
15:46
We need to help to lift them out of poverty.
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我们需要帮助他们脱离贫穷。
15:48
We need to make them proud of being a farmer
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我们需要让他们感到为做为一个农民而自豪
15:52
because they allow us to survive.
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因为他们让我们生存。
15:55
Never before, as I said,
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从未,就像我说过的,
15:57
has the responsibility for food
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粮食的责任
15:59
been in the hands of so few.
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掌握在如此少数人的手上。
16:01
And never before have we had the luxury
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而且从未,我们对我们奢侈
16:03
of taking it for granted
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的存在如此的不感恩
16:05
because it is now so cheap.
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因为现在它是如此的廉价。
16:08
And I think there is nobody else who has expressed
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我想,这里没有人比我能更好的
16:10
better, to me, the idea that food, in the end,
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来表达,粮食的重要性,最后,
16:14
in our own tradition, is something holy.
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在我们的传统里,粮食是神圣的。
16:17
It's not about nutrients and calories.
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它不仅仅是营养和卡路里。
16:19
It's about sharing. It's about honesty. It's about identity.
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它是一种分享。它是诚恳的。它是代表我们形象的。
16:23
Who said this so beautifully was Mahatma Gandhi,
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圣雄甘地,在75年前在谈面包时
16:26
75 years ago, when he spoke about bread.
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说道它是美丽的。
16:29
He did not speak about rice, in India. He said,
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他提到的不是大米。在印度它说道,
16:32
"To those who have to go without two meals a day,
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“对于那些每天只吃一餐的人来说,
16:36
God can only appear as bread."
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面包就是上帝。”
16:39
And so as I'm finishing my bread here --
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所以就当我要在这里完成我的面包时 --
16:43
and I've been baking it, and I'll try not to burn my hands.
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同时我也烤好了。现在我要注意不要烫了我的手。
16:47
Let me share
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让我来分享
16:49
with those of you here in the first row.
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和你们坐在第一排的人分享。
16:51
Let me share some of the food with you.
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让我和你们一起分享下食物。
16:53
Take some of my bread.
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拿我的一些面包。
16:55
And as you eat it, and as you try it --
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就当你在吃它时,在你品尝它时 --
16:58
please come and stand up.
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请站起来。
17:00
Have some of it.
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尝尝。
17:02
I want you to think that every bite connects you
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我想让你们想象,你们的每一口都联系
17:05
to the past and the future:
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到你的过去和未来,
17:07
to these anonymous farmers,
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联系到那些无名的农民,
17:09
that first bred the first wheat varieties;
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联系到那第一个孕育的小麦品种,
17:13
and to the farmers of today,
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和联系到今天的农民,
17:15
who've been making this. And you don't even know who they are.
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那些做出这些的农民。而且你甚至不知道他们是谁。
17:18
Every meal you eat
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你吃的每一顿
17:20
contains ingredients from all across the world.
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包含着世界各地的调料。
17:24
Everything makes us so privileged,
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那让我们被感荣幸,
17:27
that we can eat this food, that we don't struggle every day.
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我们今天不用挣扎的生活,而去吃每一粒粮食。
17:30
And that, I think,
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就那,我想到,
17:32
evolutionarily-speaking is unique.
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就进化来说是独特的。
17:34
We've never had that before.
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我们从未如此,
17:36
So enjoy your bread.
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那么享受你们的面包。
17:38
Eat it, and feel privileged.
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尝尝,感受到那份荣誉。
17:40
Thank you very much.
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十分感谢。
17:42
(Applause)
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