Louise Fresco on feeding the whole world

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I'm not at all a cook.
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So don't fear, this is not going to be a cooking demonstration.
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But I do want to talk to you about something
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that I think is dear to all of us.
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And that is bread -- something which is as simple
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as our basic, most fundamental human staple.
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And I think few of us spend the day
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without eating bread in some form.
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Unless you're on one of these Californian low-carb diets,
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bread is standard.
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Bread is not only standard in the Western diet.
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As I will show to you, it is actually
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the mainstay of modern life.
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So I'm going to bake bread for you.
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In the meantime I'm also talking to you,
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so my life is going to be complicated. Bear with me.
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First of all, a little bit of audience participation.
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I have two loaves of bread here.
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One is a supermarket standard:
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white bread, pre-packaged,
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which I'm told is called a Wonderbread.
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(Laughter)
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I didn't know this word until I arrived.
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And this is more or less,
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a whole-meal, handmade,
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small-bakery loaf of bread.
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Here we go. I want to see a show of hands.
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Who prefers the whole-meal bread?
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Okay let me do this differently. Is anybody preferring the Wonderbread at all?
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(Laughter)
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I have two tentative male hands.
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(Laughter)
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Okay, now the question is really,
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why is this so?
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And I think it is because
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we feel that this kind of bread
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really is about authenticity.
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It's about a traditional way of living.
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A way that is perhaps more real, more honest.
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This is an image from Tuscany, where we feel
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agriculture is still about beauty.
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And life is really, too.
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And this is about good taste, good traditions.
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Why do we have this image?
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Why do we feel that this is more true than this?
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Well I think it has a lot to do with our history.
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In the 10,000 years since agriculture evolved,
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most of our ancestors have actually been agriculturalists
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or they were closely related to food production.
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And we have this mythical image
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of how life was in rural areas in the past.
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Art has helped us to maintain that kind of image.
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It was a mythical past.
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Of course, the reality is quite different.
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These poor farmers
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working the land by hand or with their animals,
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had yield levels that are comparable
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to the poorest farmers today in West Africa.
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But we have, somehow,
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in the course of the last few centuries, or even decades,
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started to cultivate an image of
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a mythical, rural agricultural past.
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It was only 200 years ago
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that we had the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
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And while I'm starting to make some bread for you here,
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it's very important to understand
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what that revolution did to us.
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It brought us power. It brought us mechanization, fertilizers.
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And it actually drove up our yields.
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And even sort of horrible things, like picking beans by hand,
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can now be done automatically.
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All that is a real, great improvement, as we shall see.
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Of course we also, particularly in the last decade,
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managed to envelop the world
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in a dense chain of supermarkets,
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in a chain of global trade.
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And it means that you now eat products,
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which can come from all around the world.
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That is the reality of our modern life.
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Now you may prefer this loaf of bread.
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Excuse my hands but this is how it is.
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But actually the real relevant bread,
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historically, is this white Wonder loaf.
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And don't despise the white bread
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because it really, I think,
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symbolizes the fact that bread and food
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have become plentiful and affordable to all.
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And that is a feat that we
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are not really conscious of that much.
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But it has changed the world.
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This tiny bread that is tasteless in some ways
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and has a lot of problems
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has changed the world.
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So what is happening?
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Well the best way to look at that is to do a tiny bit of simplistic statistics.
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With the advent of the Industrial Revolution
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with modernization of agriculture
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in the last few decades, since the 1960s,
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food availability, per head, in this world,
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has increased by 25 percent.
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And the world population in the meantime has doubled.
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That means that we have now more food available
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than ever before in human history.
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And that is the result, directly,
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of being so successful
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at increasing the scale and volume of our production.
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And this is true, as you can see, for all countries,
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including the so-called developing countries.
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What happened to our bread in the meantime?
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As food became plentiful here,
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it also meant that we were able to decrease
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the number of people working in agriculture
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to something like, on average, in the high income countries,
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five percent or less of the population.
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In the U.S. only one percent of the people are actually farmers.
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And it frees us all up to do other things --
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to sit at TED meetings and not to worry about our food.
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That is, historically, a really unique situation.
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Never before has the responsibility to feed the world
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been in the hands of so few people.
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And never before have so many people
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been oblivious of that fact.
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So as food became more plentiful, bread became cheaper.
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And as it became cheaper, bread manufacturers decided to add in all kinds of things.
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We added in more sugar.
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We add in raisins and oil and milk
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and all kinds of things to make bread,
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from a simple food into kind of a support for calories.
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And today, bread now is associated with obesity,
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which is very strange.
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It is the basic, most fundamental food
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that we've had in the last ten thousand years.
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Wheat is the most important crop -- the first crop we domesticated
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and the most important crop we still grow today.
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But this is now this strange concoction
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of high calories.
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And that's not only true in this country,
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it is true all over the world.
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Bread has migrated to tropical countries,
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where the middle classes now eat French rolls and hamburgers
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and where the commuters
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find bread much more handy to use
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than rice or cassava.
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So bread has become from a main staple,
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a source of calories
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associated with obesity
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and also a source of modernity,
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of modern life.
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And the whiter the bread, in many countries, the better it is.
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So this is the story of bread as we know it now.
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But of course the price of mass production
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has been that we moved large-scale.
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And large-scale has meant destruction of many of our landscapes,
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destruction of biodiversity --
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still a lonely emu here
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in the Brazilian cerrado soybean fields.
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The costs have been tremendous --
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water pollution, all the things you know about, destruction of our habitats.
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What we need to do is to go back to understanding what our food is about.
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And this is where I have to query all of you.
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How many of you can actually tell wheat apart from other cereals?
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How many of you actually can make a bread
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in this way, without starting with a bread machine
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or just some kind of packaged flavor?
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Can you actually bake bread? Do you know how much a loaf of bread actually costs?
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We have become very removed
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from what our bread really is,
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which, again, evolutionarily speaking,
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is very strange.
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In fact not many of you know that
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our bread, of course, was not a European invention.
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It was invented by farmers in Iraq
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and Syria in particular.
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The tiny spike on the left to the center
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is actually the forefather of wheat.
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This is where it all comes from,
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and where these farmers who actually, ten thousand years ago,
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put us on the road of bread.
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Now it is not surprising
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that with this massification and large-scale production,
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there is a counter-movement that emerged --
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very much also here in California.
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The counter-movement says, "Let's go back to this.
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Let's go back to traditional farming.
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Let's go back to small-scale, to farmers' markets,
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small bakeries and all that." Wonderful.
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Don't we all agree? I certainly agree.
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I would love to go back to Tuscany
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to this kind of traditional setting,
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gastronomy, good food.
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But this is a fallacy.
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And the fallacy comes from idealizing
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a past that we have forgotten about.
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If we do this, if we want to stay with traditional small-scale farming
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we are going, actually, to relegate
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these poor farmers and their husbands --
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among whom I have lived for many years,
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working without electricity and water, to try to improve their food production --
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we relegate them to poverty.
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What they want are implements
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to increase their production:
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something to fertilize the soil,
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something to protect their crop and to bring it to a market.
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We cannot just think that small-scale
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is the solution to the world food problem.
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It's a luxury solution for us who can afford it,
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if you want to afford it.
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In fact we do not want this poor woman
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to work the land like this.
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If we say just small-scale production,
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as is the tendency here,
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to go back to local food means that a poor man like Hans Rosling
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cannot even eat oranges anymore
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because in Scandinavia we don't have oranges.
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So local food production is out.
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But also we do not want
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to relegate to poverty in the rural areas.
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And we do not want to relegate
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the urban poor to starvation.
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So we must find other solutions.
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One of our problems is that world food production
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needs to increase very rapidly --
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doubling by about 2030.
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The main driver of that is actually meat.
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And meat consumption in Southeast Asia and China in particular
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is what drives the prices of cereals.
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That need for animal protein is going to continue.
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We can discuss alternatives in another talk, perhaps one day,
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but this is our driving force.
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So what can we do?
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Can we find a solution to produce more?
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Yes. But we need mechanization.
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And I'm making a real plea here.
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I feel so strongly that you cannot ask a small farmer
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to work the land and bend over to grow a hectare of rice,
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150,000 times, just to plant a crop and weed it.
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You cannot ask people to work under these conditions.
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We need clever low-key mechanization
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that avoids the problems of the large-scale mechanization that we've had.
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So what can we do?
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We must feed three billion people in cities.
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We will not do that through small farmers' markets
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because these people have no small farmers' markets at their disposal.
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They have low incomes. And they benefit
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from cheap, affordable, safe and diverse food.
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That's what we must aim for in the next 20 to 30 years.
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But yes there are some solutions.
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And let me just do one simple conceptual thing:
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if I plot science as a proxy
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for control of the production process and scale.
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What you see is that we've started
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in the left-hand corner with traditional agriculture,
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which was sort of small-scale and low-control.
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We've moved towards large-scale and very high control.
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What I want us to do is to keep up the science and even get more science in there
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but go to a kind of regional scale --
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not just in terms of the scale of the fields,
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but in terms of the entire food network.
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That's where we should move.
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And the ultimate may be, but it doesn't apply to cereals,
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that we have entirely closed ecosystems --
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the horticultural systems right at the top left-hand corner.
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So we need to think differently about agriculture science.
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Agriculture science for most people -- and there are not many farmers
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among you here --
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has this name of being bad,
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of being about pollution, about large-scale,
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about the destruction of the environment.
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That is not necessary.
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We need more science and not less. And we need good science.
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So what kind of science can we have?
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Well first of all I think
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we can do much better on the existing technologies.
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Use biotechnology where useful,
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particularly in pest and disease resistance.
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There are also robots, for example,
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who can recognize weeds
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with a resolution of half an inch.
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We have much cleverer irrigation.
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We do not need to spill the water if we don't want to.
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And we need to think very dispassionately
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about the comparative advantages
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of small-scale and large-scale.
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We need to think that land is multi-functional.
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It has different functions.
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There are different ways in which we must use it --
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for residential, for nature, for agriculture purposes.
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And we also need to re-examine livestock.
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Go regional and go to urban food systems.
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I want to see fish ponds in parking lots and basements.
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I want to have horticulture
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and greenhouses on top of residential areas.
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And I want to use the energy that comes from those greenhouses
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and from the fermentation of crops
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to heat our residential areas.
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There are all kinds of ways we can do it.
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We cannot solve the world food problem
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by using biological agriculture.
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But we can do a lot more.
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And the main thing that I would really ask all of you
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as you go back to your countries, or as you stay here:
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ask your government for an integrated food policy.
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Food is as important as energy,
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as security, as the environment.
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Everything is linked together.
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So we can do that. In fact in a densely populated country
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like the River Delta, where I live in the Netherlands,
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we have combined these functions.
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So this is not science fiction. We can combine things
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even in a social sense of making
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the rural areas more accessible to people --
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to house, for example, the chronically sick.
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There is all kinds of things we can do.
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But there is something you must do. It's not enough for me to say,
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"Let's get more bold science into agriculture."
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You must go back
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and think about your own food chain.
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Talk to farmers. When was the last time
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you went to a farm and talked to a farmer?
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Talk to people in restaurants.
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Understand where you are in the food chain,
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where your food comes from.
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Understand that you are part
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of this enormous chain of events.
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And that frees you up to do other things.
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And above all, to me, food is about respect.
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It's about understanding, when you eat,
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that there are also many people who are still in this situation,
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who are still struggling for their daily food.
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And the kind of simplistic solutions that we sometimes have,
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to think that doing everything by hand
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is going to be the solution,
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is really not morally justified.
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We need to help to lift them out of poverty.
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We need to make them proud of being a farmer
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because they allow us to survive.
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Never before, as I said,
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has the responsibility for food
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been in the hands of so few.
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And never before have we had the luxury
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of taking it for granted
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because it is now so cheap.
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And I think there is nobody else who has expressed
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better, to me, the idea that food, in the end,
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in our own tradition, is something holy.
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It's not about nutrients and calories.
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It's about sharing. It's about honesty. It's about identity.
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Who said this so beautifully was Mahatma Gandhi,
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75 years ago, when he spoke about bread.
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He did not speak about rice, in India. He said,
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"To those who have to go without two meals a day,
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God can only appear as bread."
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And so as I'm finishing my bread here --
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and I've been baking it, and I'll try not to burn my hands.
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Let me share
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with those of you here in the first row.
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Let me share some of the food with you.
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Take some of my bread.
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And as you eat it, and as you try it --
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please come and stand up.
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Have some of it.
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I want you to think that every bite connects you
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to the past and the future:
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to these anonymous farmers,
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that first bred the first wheat varieties;
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and to the farmers of today,
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who've been making this. And you don't even know who they are.
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Every meal you eat
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contains ingredients from all across the world.
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Everything makes us so privileged,
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that we can eat this food, that we don't struggle every day.
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And that, I think,
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evolutionarily-speaking is unique.
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We've never had that before.
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So enjoy your bread.
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Eat it, and feel privileged.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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