Louise Fresco on feeding the whole world

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Traducător: Anca Badea Corector: Brandusa Gheorghe
00:12
I'm not at all a cook.
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Nu sunt bucatar.
00:14
So don't fear, this is not going to be a cooking demonstration.
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Asa ca nu va temeti, aceasta nu va fi o demonstratie de gatit.
00:17
But I do want to talk to you about something
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Dar vreau sa va vorbesc despre ceva
00:19
that I think is dear to all of us.
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ce cred ca ne este drag tuturor.
00:22
And that is bread -- something which is as simple
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Vreau sa va vorbesc despre paine - simpla
00:25
as our basic, most fundamental human staple.
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noastra mancare de baza.
00:29
And I think few of us spend the day
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Si cred ca putini dintre noi lasam sa treaca o zi
00:32
without eating bread in some form.
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fara sa mancam paine intr-o forma sau alta.
00:35
Unless you're on one of these Californian low-carb diets,
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Daca nu esti la o dieta californiana bazata pe consum redus de carbohidrati,
00:39
bread is standard.
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painea e standard.
00:41
Bread is not only standard in the Western diet.
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Painea nu este de baza numai in dieta vestica.
00:43
As I will show to you, it is actually
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Asa cum o sa va arat, este de fapt
00:45
the mainstay of modern life.
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baza vietii moderne.
00:48
So I'm going to bake bread for you.
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Am sa coc paine pentru voi.
00:50
In the meantime I'm also talking to you,
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In acelasi timp o sa va vorbesc.
00:53
so my life is going to be complicated. Bear with me.
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Deci am o misiune complicata. Aveti radbare!
00:56
First of all, a little bit of audience participation.
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In primul rand, am nevoie de putina participare din partea audientei.
01:00
I have two loaves of bread here.
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Am aici doua paini.
01:03
One is a supermarket standard:
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Una este painea standard de la supermarket,
01:06
white bread, pre-packaged,
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paine alba, pre-ambalata,
01:08
which I'm told is called a Wonderbread.
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care mi se spune ca se numeste "Painea Minune".
01:11
(Laughter)
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(Rasete)
01:12
I didn't know this word until I arrived.
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Nu stiam acest cuvant pana am veni aici.
01:14
And this is more or less,
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Si aceasta este mai mult sau mai putin
01:17
a whole-meal, handmade,
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o paine integrala, de casa,
01:19
small-bakery loaf of bread.
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sau de mica brutarie.
01:21
Here we go. I want to see a show of hands.
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Asa. Vreau sa ridicati mainile.
01:24
Who prefers the whole-meal bread?
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Cine prefera painea integrala?
01:29
Okay let me do this differently. Is anybody preferring the Wonderbread at all?
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Ei bine, sa facem in alt fel. E cineva care prefera "Painea Minune"?
01:33
(Laughter)
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(Rasete)
01:34
I have two tentative male hands.
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Vad ca doua maini de barbati incearca sa se ridice.
01:38
(Laughter)
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(Rasete)
01:41
Okay, now the question is really,
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Ei bine, acum intrebarea este,
01:44
why is this so?
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de ce avem acest rezultat?
01:46
And I think it is because
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Cred ca este deoarece
01:48
we feel that this kind of bread
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credem ca acest tip de paine
01:51
really is about authenticity.
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reprezinta autenticitatea.
01:54
It's about a traditional way of living.
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Ca reprezinta un mod traditional de a trai.
01:57
A way that is perhaps more real, more honest.
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Un mod de viata care este mai real, mai onest.
02:01
This is an image from Tuscany, where we feel
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Aceasta este o imagine din Toscana, care ne face sa credem ca agricultura
02:04
agriculture is still about beauty.
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inca inseamna frumusete.
02:06
And life is really, too.
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Ca si viata in sine.
02:08
And this is about good taste, good traditions.
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Asta inseamna bun gust si traditii frumoase.
02:12
Why do we have this image?
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De ce avem aceasta imagine?
02:14
Why do we feel that this is more true than this?
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De ce credem ca aceasta imagine e mai reala decat cealalta?
02:19
Well I think it has a lot to do with our history.
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Ei bine, cred ca raspunsul tine in mare parte de istoria noastra.
02:22
In the 10,000 years since agriculture evolved,
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De zici de mii de ani de evolutie a agriculturii,
02:25
most of our ancestors have actually been agriculturalists
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majoritatea stramosilor nostri au fost agricultori
02:29
or they were closely related to food production.
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sau erau foarte apropiati de producerea hranei.
02:32
And we have this mythical image
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Si avem in minte aceasta imagine mitica
02:34
of how life was in rural areas in the past.
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a cum era viata in mediul rural in trecut.
02:38
Art has helped us to maintain that kind of image.
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Arta ne-a ajutat sa conservam acest tip de imagine.
02:41
It was a mythical past.
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A fost un trecut mitic.
02:44
Of course, the reality is quite different.
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Bineinteles, realitatea este oarecum diferita.
02:46
These poor farmers
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Acesti fermieri saraci
02:48
working the land by hand or with their animals,
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care lucrau pamantul cu mainile sau cu ajutorul animalelor,
02:50
had yield levels that are comparable
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au avut un randament comparabil
02:53
to the poorest farmers today in West Africa.
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cu cel al celor mai saraci fermieri care traiesc azi in vestul Africii.
02:56
But we have, somehow,
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Dar, intr-un fel,
02:58
in the course of the last few centuries, or even decades,
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in decursul ultimelor secole, sau chiar decade,
03:02
started to cultivate an image of
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am inceput sa cultivam o imagine a
03:04
a mythical, rural agricultural past.
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unui trecut agricultural mitic, rural.
03:08
It was only 200 years ago
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Au trecut numai 200 de ani
03:10
that we had the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
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de cand s-a produs Revolutia Industriala.
03:13
And while I'm starting to make some bread for you here,
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Si in timp ce incep sa fac niste paine pentru voi aici,
03:16
it's very important to understand
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este foarte important sa intelegem
03:18
what that revolution did to us.
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impactul pe care l-a avut aceasta revolutie industriala asupra noastra.
03:21
It brought us power. It brought us mechanization, fertilizers.
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Ne-a dat putere. Ne-a adus mecanizare, fertilizanti.
03:27
And it actually drove up our yields.
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Si ne-a ridicat randamentul.
03:29
And even sort of horrible things, like picking beans by hand,
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Si chiar si activitatile neplacute, ca adunatul boabelor de fasole cu mana,
03:33
can now be done automatically.
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pot fi facute automat acum.
03:36
All that is a real, great improvement, as we shall see.
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Toate acestea reprezinta o imbunatatire reala si mareata, asa cum vom vedea.
03:41
Of course we also, particularly in the last decade,
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Bineinteles ca, in special in ultima decada,
03:45
managed to envelop the world
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am reusit sa invaluim lumea
03:47
in a dense chain of supermarkets,
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intr-o retea densa de supermarketuri,
03:50
in a chain of global trade.
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intr-o retea a comertului mondial.
03:53
And it means that you now eat products,
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Si asta inseamna ca acum putem manca produse
03:55
which can come from all around the world.
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de peste tot din lume.
03:58
That is the reality of our modern life.
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Aceasta e realitatea vietii noastre moderne.
04:01
Now you may prefer this loaf of bread.
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Acum puteti alege aceasta paine.
04:05
Excuse my hands but this is how it is.
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Scuzati felul cum imi arata mainile, dar asta este.
04:08
But actually the real relevant bread,
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Dar de fapt adevarata paine,
04:11
historically, is this white Wonder loaf.
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istoric vorbind, este painea alba "Minune".
04:15
And don't despise the white bread
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Si nu respingeti painea alba
04:18
because it really, I think,
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pentru ca, zic eu,
04:21
symbolizes the fact that bread and food
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simbolizeaza faptul ca painea si mancarea
04:24
have become plentiful and affordable to all.
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au devenit abundente si accesibile tuturor.
04:28
And that is a feat that we
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Si acesta e un fapt de care
04:30
are not really conscious of that much.
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nu suntem constienti asa de mult.
04:33
But it has changed the world.
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Dar asta a schimbat lumea.
04:35
This tiny bread that is tasteless in some ways
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Aceasta painica fara gust in anumite privinte
04:38
and has a lot of problems
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si care are o multime de probleme
04:40
has changed the world.
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a schimbat lumea.
04:43
So what is happening?
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Deci ce se intampla?
04:45
Well the best way to look at that is to do a tiny bit of simplistic statistics.
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Cel mai bun mod de a vedea ce se intampla e de a crea niste statistici simple.
04:49
With the advent of the Industrial Revolution
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Odată cu apariţia revoluţiei industriale,
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with modernization of agriculture
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cu modernizarea agriculturii
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in the last few decades, since the 1960s,
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in ultimele decade, incepand cu anii '60,
04:58
food availability, per head, in this world,
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disponibilitatea produselor alimentare, pe cap de locuitor, în lume,
05:01
has increased by 25 percent.
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a crescut cu 25 la sută.
05:04
And the world population in the meantime has doubled.
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Si in acest timp, populatia lumii s-a dublat.
05:08
That means that we have now more food available
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Aceasta inseamna ca acum avem mai multe produse alimentare disponibile
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than ever before in human history.
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decat in orice alta perioada din istoria omenirii.
05:13
And that is the result, directly,
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Acesta este in mod direct rezultatul
05:15
of being so successful
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succesului
05:17
at increasing the scale and volume of our production.
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cresterii in amploare şi volum a producţiei.
05:21
And this is true, as you can see, for all countries,
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Si acest lucru este adevarat, dupa cum vedeti, pentru toate tarile,
05:24
including the so-called developing countries.
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inclusiv asa-numitele tari in curs de dezvoltare.
05:26
What happened to our bread in the meantime?
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Ce s-a intamplat cu painea noastra in acest timp?
05:29
As food became plentiful here,
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Cum alimentele au devenit abundente,
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it also meant that we were able to decrease
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inseamna ca putem scadea numarul
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the number of people working in agriculture
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oamenilor care lucreaza in agricultura
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to something like, on average, in the high income countries,
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la ceva ca, daca privim tarile cu venituri ridicate,
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five percent or less of the population.
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5% sau mai putin, din populatie.
05:45
In the U.S. only one percent of the people are actually farmers.
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In Statele Unite numai un procent din populatie sunt fermieri.
05:49
And it frees us all up to do other things --
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Asta ne da mai mult timp pentru a face altceva --
05:52
to sit at TED meetings and not to worry about our food.
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sa participam la intalnirile TED şi sa nu ne facem griji cu privire la alimente.
05:55
That is, historically, a really unique situation.
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Istoric vorbind, aceasta este o situatie unica.
05:59
Never before has the responsibility to feed the world
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Niciodata pana acum responsabilitatea de a hrani lumea
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been in the hands of so few people.
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nu a mai fost in mainile atator de putini oameni.
06:05
And never before have so many people
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Si niciodata pana acum atat de multi oameni
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been oblivious of that fact.
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nu au stiut acest lucru.
06:11
So as food became more plentiful, bread became cheaper.
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Deci, pe masura ce alimentele au devenit mai abundente, painea a devenit mai ieftina.
06:15
And as it became cheaper, bread manufacturers decided to add in all kinds of things.
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Devenind mai ieftina, producatorii de paine au decis sa adauge diferite ingrediente.
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We added in more sugar.
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Au adaugat mai mult zahar.
06:21
We add in raisins and oil and milk
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Au adaugat stafide si ulei si lapte
06:27
and all kinds of things to make bread,
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si alte ingrediente care transforma painea,
06:29
from a simple food into kind of a support for calories.
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de la un aliment simplu intr-un suport pentru calorii.
06:34
And today, bread now is associated with obesity,
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Si asa, azi painea este asociata cu obezitatea,
06:38
which is very strange.
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ceea ce este foarte ciudat.
06:40
It is the basic, most fundamental food
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Este alimentul cel mai simplu si de baza
06:42
that we've had in the last ten thousand years.
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pe care l-am consumat in ultimii zece mii de ani.
06:45
Wheat is the most important crop -- the first crop we domesticated
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Graul este cea mai importanta cultura -- prima cultura domesticita
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and the most important crop we still grow today.
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si inca cea mai importanta cultura de astazi.
06:51
But this is now this strange concoction
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Dar acum a aparut acest legatura ciudata
06:54
of high calories.
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cu caloriile sporite.
06:56
And that's not only true in this country,
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Si acest lucru nu se aplica numai in aceasta tara,
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it is true all over the world.
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ci peste tot in lume.
07:01
Bread has migrated to tropical countries,
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Painea a migrat in tarile tropicale
07:03
where the middle classes now eat French rolls and hamburgers
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unde clasa de mijloc mananca acum franzele si hamburgheri
07:07
and where the commuters
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si unde navetistii
07:10
find bread much more handy to use
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considera painea mult mai la indemana
07:12
than rice or cassava.
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decat orezul sau casava.
07:14
So bread has become from a main staple,
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Deci painea a devenit de la un aliment de baza,
07:18
a source of calories
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o sursa de calorii
07:20
associated with obesity
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asociata cu obezitatea
07:22
and also a source of modernity,
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si in acelasi timp o sursa a
07:24
of modern life.
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vietii moderne.
07:26
And the whiter the bread, in many countries, the better it is.
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Si cu cat o paine este mai alba, cu atat este considerata mai buna, in multe tari.
07:29
So this is the story of bread as we know it now.
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Deci aceasta este povestea painii asa cum o stim noi acum.
07:32
But of course the price of mass production
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Dar bineinteles, pretul productiei in masa
07:36
has been that we moved large-scale.
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este ca am avansat la scara larga.
07:39
And large-scale has meant destruction of many of our landscapes,
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Si productia la scara larga a condus la distrugerea multora din peisaje,
07:43
destruction of biodiversity --
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distrugerea biodiversitatii --
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still a lonely emu here
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inca un emu singuratic aici
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in the Brazilian cerrado soybean fields.
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in campurile braziliene de soia cerrado.
07:50
The costs have been tremendous --
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Costurile au fost extraordinare --
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water pollution, all the things you know about, destruction of our habitats.
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poluarea apei, toate lucrurile despre care ati auzit, distrugerea habitatelor noastre.
07:56
What we need to do is to go back to understanding what our food is about.
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Ceea ce trebuie să facem este să ne întoarcem la a înţelege ce este hrana.
08:01
And this is where I have to query all of you.
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Si despre acest lucru trebuie sa va pun cateva intrebari.
08:03
How many of you can actually tell wheat apart from other cereals?
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Cati dintre voi pot sa faca diferenta intre grau si alte cereale?
08:07
How many of you actually can make a bread
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Cati dintre voi pot sa faca paine
08:10
in this way, without starting with a bread machine
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in felul asta, fara a incepe cu masina de paine
08:13
or just some kind of packaged flavor?
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sau cu ceva pre-ambalat?
08:17
Can you actually bake bread? Do you know how much a loaf of bread actually costs?
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Puteti sa coaceti paine? Stiti cat costa exact o paine?
08:21
We have become very removed
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Ne-am indepartat mult
08:23
from what our bread really is,
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de ceea ce este painea cu adevarat,
08:25
which, again, evolutionarily speaking,
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ceea ce, spun din nou, din punct de vedere al evolutiei,
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is very strange.
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este foarte ciudat.
08:29
In fact not many of you know that
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De fapt, multi dintre voi nu stiu ca
08:31
our bread, of course, was not a European invention.
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painea nu a fost o inventie europeana.
08:33
It was invented by farmers in Iraq
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A fost inventata de fermieri in Iraq
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and Syria in particular.
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si Siria in special.
08:37
The tiny spike on the left to the center
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Tepusa mica din stanga spre centru
08:40
is actually the forefather of wheat.
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este de fapt stramosul graului.
08:43
This is where it all comes from,
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De aici provine totul.
08:45
and where these farmers who actually, ten thousand years ago,
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Si acesti fermieri care acum zece mii de ani
08:48
put us on the road of bread.
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ne-au deschis drumul painii.
08:51
Now it is not surprising
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Nu este surprinzator
08:53
that with this massification and large-scale production,
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ca aceasta masificare şi producţie pe scară largă,
08:56
there is a counter-movement that emerged --
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a declansat o miscare in sens opus --
08:58
very much also here in California.
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de foarte mare amploare chiar si aici in California.
09:00
The counter-movement says, "Let's go back to this.
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Aceasta miscare in sens opus spune: "Sa ne intoarcem la asta.
09:03
Let's go back to traditional farming.
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Sa ne intoarcem la agricultura traditionala.
09:05
Let's go back to small-scale, to farmers' markets,
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Sa ne intoarcem la scara mica, la pietele fermierilor,
09:09
small bakeries and all that." Wonderful.
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la brutarii mici si toate acestea. Minunat.
09:12
Don't we all agree? I certainly agree.
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Nu suntem cu totii de acord? Eu sunt cu siguranta de acord.
09:14
I would love to go back to Tuscany
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Mi-ar face mare placere sa ma intorc la Toscana
09:16
to this kind of traditional setting,
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la acest tip de decor tradiţional,
09:18
gastronomy, good food.
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gastronomie, mancare buna.
09:20
But this is a fallacy.
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Dar asta este o aberatie.
09:22
And the fallacy comes from idealizing
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Şi eroarea provine de la idealizarea
09:25
a past that we have forgotten about.
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unui trecut despre care am uitat.
09:28
If we do this, if we want to stay with traditional small-scale farming
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Daca facem asta, daca vrem sa ramanem cu agricultura traditionala la scara mica,
09:32
we are going, actually, to relegate
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vom retrograda, de fapt,
09:35
these poor farmers and their husbands --
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aceste biete agricultoare si sotii lor,
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among whom I have lived for many years,
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printre care am trait multi ani,
09:40
working without electricity and water, to try to improve their food production --
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lucrand fara electricitate si apa, incercand sa le imbunatatesc productia de alimente.
09:43
we relegate them to poverty.
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Acest lucru ar insemna sa-i retrogradam la saracie.
09:46
What they want are implements
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Ce vor ei sunt masuri
09:48
to increase their production:
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care sa le creasca productia --
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something to fertilize the soil,
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ceva care sa fertilizeze solul,
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something to protect their crop and to bring it to a market.
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ceva care sa le protejeze cultura si sa le aduca recolta pe piata.
09:55
We cannot just think that small-scale
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Nu ne putem imagina ca productia la scara mica
09:57
is the solution to the world food problem.
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este solutia la problema alimentara mondiala.
10:00
It's a luxury solution for us who can afford it,
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Este o solutie de lux pentru noi cei care ne-o permitem,
10:03
if you want to afford it.
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daca vrem sa ne-o permitem.
10:05
In fact we do not want this poor woman
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De fapt nu vrem ca aceasta biata femeie
10:07
to work the land like this.
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sa lucreze pamantul in acest fel.
10:09
If we say just small-scale production,
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Daca reducem productia la scara mica,
10:11
as is the tendency here,
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asa cum este tendinta,
10:13
to go back to local food means that a poor man like Hans Rosling
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a ne intoarcem la productia pe scara locala inseamna ca un biet om ca Hans Rosling
10:16
cannot even eat oranges anymore
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nu va mai putea manca portocale
10:18
because in Scandinavia we don't have oranges.
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pentru ca in Scandinavia nu sunt portocale.
10:21
So local food production is out.
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Deci, producţia locală de alimente este exclusa.
10:23
But also we do not want
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Si de asemenea nu vrem
10:25
to relegate to poverty in the rural areas.
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sa retrogradam la saracie zonele rurale.
10:28
And we do not want to relegate
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Si nu vrem sa retrogradam
10:30
the urban poor to starvation.
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zonele urbane la infometare.
10:33
So we must find other solutions.
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Deci trebuie sa gasim alte solutii.
10:36
One of our problems is that world food production
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Una dintre problemele noastre e ca productia mondiala de alimente
10:38
needs to increase very rapidly --
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trebuie sa cresca rapid --
10:40
doubling by about 2030.
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sa se dubleze pana in 2030.
10:43
The main driver of that is actually meat.
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Principalul actor al acestui proces este carnea.
10:46
And meat consumption in Southeast Asia and China in particular
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Si consumul de carne in Asia de sud-est si China in special
10:49
is what drives the prices of cereals.
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este ceea ce influenteaza preturile cerealelor.
10:54
That need for animal protein is going to continue.
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Nevoia pentru proteine animale va continua.
10:58
We can discuss alternatives in another talk, perhaps one day,
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Ne putem uita la alternative intr-o alta discutie, poate alta data.
11:01
but this is our driving force.
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Dar aceasta este forta noastra motoare.
11:03
So what can we do?
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Deci ce putem noi sa facem?
11:05
Can we find a solution to produce more?
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Putem gasi o solutie de a produce mai mult?
11:09
Yes. But we need mechanization.
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Da. Dar ne trebuie mecanizare.
11:13
And I'm making a real plea here.
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Iar eu fac o adevarata pledoarie aici.
11:15
I feel so strongly that you cannot ask a small farmer
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Si cred cu tarie ca nu-i putem cere unui mic agricultor
11:19
to work the land and bend over to grow a hectare of rice,
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sa lucreze pamantul si sa se aplece pentru a creste un hectar de orez,
11:22
150,000 times, just to plant a crop and weed it.
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de 150 de mii de ori, numai pentru a planta o cultura si a rari buruienile.
11:26
You cannot ask people to work under these conditions.
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Nu poti cere oamenilor sa lucreze in aceste conditii.
11:29
We need clever low-key mechanization
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Avem nevoie de o mecanizare simpla dar inteligenta
11:32
that avoids the problems of the large-scale mechanization that we've had.
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care sa evite problemele de mecanizare pe scara larga pe care le-am avut.
11:36
So what can we do?
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Deci ce putem face?
11:38
We must feed three billion people in cities.
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Trebuie sa hranim 3 miliarde de oameni care traiesc in orase.
11:41
We will not do that through small farmers' markets
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Nu vom face asta prin intermediul pietelor micilor fermieri
11:43
because these people have no small farmers' markets at their disposal.
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pentru ca acesti oameni nu au mici piete de fermieri la dispozitie.
11:47
They have low incomes. And they benefit
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Ei au venituri mici. Şi beneficiază
11:50
from cheap, affordable, safe and diverse food.
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de pe urma produselor alimentare ieftine, accesibile, sigure şi diverse.
11:53
That's what we must aim for in the next 20 to 30 years.
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Acesta trebuie sa fie obiectivul nostru in urmatorii 20-30 de ani.
11:56
But yes there are some solutions.
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Dar exista solutii.
11:58
And let me just do one simple conceptual thing:
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Si permiteti-mi sa explic un concept simplu:
12:02
if I plot science as a proxy
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daca folosesc stiinta ca un reprezentant
12:05
for control of the production process and scale.
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al controlului procesului si nivelului de productie.
12:09
What you see is that we've started
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Ce vedeti este ca am inceput
12:11
in the left-hand corner with traditional agriculture,
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cu agricultura traditionala,
12:14
which was sort of small-scale and low-control.
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care se desfasura la scara mica si cu control redus.
12:17
We've moved towards large-scale and very high control.
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Apoi am evoluat la scara larga si la control sporit.
12:21
What I want us to do is to keep up the science and even get more science in there
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Ce vreau să facem e sa tinem pasul cu stiinta si sa implicam chiar mai multa stiinta in acest proces
12:26
but go to a kind of regional scale --
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dar sa lucram la scara regionala --
12:28
not just in terms of the scale of the fields,
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nu numai in ceea ce priveste amploarea domeniilor,
12:30
but in terms of the entire food network.
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dar in ceea ce priveste intreaga retea de alimentare.
12:33
That's where we should move.
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Asta e directia in care trebuie sa ne indreptam.
12:35
And the ultimate may be, but it doesn't apply to cereals,
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Si esentialul poate fi, dar nu se aplica pentru cereale,
12:38
that we have entirely closed ecosystems --
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ca avem ecosisteme total inchise --
12:41
the horticultural systems right at the top left-hand corner.
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sistemele horticole in coltul din stanga sus.
12:45
So we need to think differently about agriculture science.
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Deci, trebuie sa gandim diferit la stiinta agricola.
12:49
Agriculture science for most people -- and there are not many farmers
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Stiinta agricola pentru majoritatea oamenilor, si nu sunt multi fermieri
12:51
among you here --
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printre voi aici,
12:53
has this name of being bad,
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are un nume rau,
12:56
of being about pollution, about large-scale,
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ceva asociat cu poluarea, cu productia la scara larga,
12:58
about the destruction of the environment.
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cu distrugerea mediului.
13:00
That is not necessary.
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Ceva care nu e necesar.
13:02
We need more science and not less. And we need good science.
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Avem nevoie de mai multa stiinta, nu de mai putina. Si avem nevoie de stiinta buna.
13:05
So what kind of science can we have?
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Deci, ce fel de stiinta putem folosi?
13:07
Well first of all I think
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In primul rand cred ca
13:09
we can do much better on the existing technologies.
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putem sa folosim mai bine tehnologia existenta.
13:12
Use biotechnology where useful,
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Trebuie sa folosim biodiversitatea unde este utila,
13:14
particularly in pest and disease resistance.
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in special in rezistenta daunatorilor si a bolilor.
13:17
There are also robots, for example,
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Exista roboti, de exemplu,
13:19
who can recognize weeds
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care pot sa recunoasca buruieni
13:21
with a resolution of half an inch.
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cu o rezolutie de jumatate de inch.
13:24
We have much cleverer irrigation.
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Avem sisteme de irigatii mult mai inteligente.
13:26
We do not need to spill the water if we don't want to.
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Nu trebuie sa risipim apa daca nu este nevoie.
13:30
And we need to think very dispassionately
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Si trebuie sa ne gandim fara patima
13:33
about the comparative advantages
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la avantajele comparative
13:35
of small-scale and large-scale.
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ale productie la scara mica si la scara larga.
13:38
We need to think that land is multi-functional.
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Trebuie sa ne gandim ca pamantul este multifunctional.
13:40
It has different functions.
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Are functii diferite.
13:42
There are different ways in which we must use it --
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Exista moduri diferite de a-l folosi --
13:45
for residential, for nature, for agriculture purposes.
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in scopuri rezidentiale, naturale, agriculturale.
13:48
And we also need to re-examine livestock.
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Trebuie sa reexaminam si animalele.
13:51
Go regional and go to urban food systems.
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Trebuie sa alegem sistemele alimentare regionale si urbane.
13:54
I want to see fish ponds in parking lots and basements.
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Vreau sa vad iazuri de peste in loturi de parcare si subsoluri.
13:58
I want to have horticulture
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Vreau sa avem horticultura
14:00
and greenhouses on top of residential areas.
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si sere pe acoperisul zonelor rezidentiale.
14:03
And I want to use the energy that comes from those greenhouses
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Si vreau sa utilizam energia produsa de sere
14:06
and from the fermentation of crops
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si din fermentarea culturilor
14:08
to heat our residential areas.
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pentru incalzirea spatiilor rezidentiale.
14:10
There are all kinds of ways we can do it.
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Sunt multe moduri in care putem sa facem acest lucru.
14:12
We cannot solve the world food problem
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Nu putem sa rezolvam problema alimentatiei mondiale
14:14
by using biological agriculture.
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folosind agricultura biologica.
14:16
But we can do a lot more.
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Dar putem sa facem mai mult.
14:19
And the main thing that I would really ask all of you
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Si cel mai important lucru pe care as vrea sa va rog
14:22
as you go back to your countries, or as you stay here:
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fie ca va intoarceti in tarile de origine, sau ca ramaneti aici,
14:25
ask your government for an integrated food policy.
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este sa cereti guverrnului vostru o politica alimentara integrata.
14:29
Food is as important as energy,
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Alimentele sunt la fel de importante ca energia,
14:32
as security, as the environment.
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ca siguranta, ca mediul.
14:34
Everything is linked together.
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Totul este conectat.
14:36
So we can do that. In fact in a densely populated country
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Deci, putem face asta. De fapt, intr-o tara dens populata
14:39
like the River Delta, where I live in the Netherlands,
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ca River Delta, unde locuiesc in Olanda,
14:42
we have combined these functions.
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am combinat aceste functii.
14:44
So this is not science fiction. We can combine things
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Deci, asta nu este fictiune. Putem combina lucrurile
14:47
even in a social sense of making
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chiar si intr-un sens social de a face
14:49
the rural areas more accessible to people --
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zonele rurale mai accesibile pentru oameni --
14:51
to house, for example, the chronically sick.
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pentru a acomoda, de exemplu, bolnavii cronici.
14:54
There is all kinds of things we can do.
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Sunt o multime de lucruri pe care le putem face.
14:56
But there is something you must do. It's not enough for me to say,
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Dar este ceva ce trebuie sa facem. Nu este suficient daca spun
14:59
"Let's get more bold science into agriculture."
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"Haideti sa introducem mai multa stiinta avangardista in agricultura."
15:02
You must go back
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Trebuie sa va intoarceti
15:04
and think about your own food chain.
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si sa va ganditi la lantul vostru alimentar.
15:06
Talk to farmers. When was the last time
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Vorbiti cu fermierii. Cand a fost ultima data
15:08
you went to a farm and talked to a farmer?
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cand v-ati dus la o ferma si ati vorbit cu un fermier?
15:10
Talk to people in restaurants.
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Vorbiti cu oamenii din restaurante.
15:12
Understand where you are in the food chain,
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Intelegeti unde va aflati in lantul alimentar,
15:14
where your food comes from.
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de unde vin alimentele voastre.
15:16
Understand that you are part
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Intelegeti ca sunteti parte
15:18
of this enormous chain of events.
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a acestui enorm lant de evenimente.
15:20
And that frees you up to do other things.
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Si asta va elibereaza sa faceti alte lucruri.
15:23
And above all, to me, food is about respect.
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Si mai mult decat orice, pentru mine, alimentele inseamna respect.
15:27
It's about understanding, when you eat,
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Inseamna a intelege cand mancam
15:29
that there are also many people who are still in this situation,
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ca sunt multi oameni care sunt inca in aceasta situatie,
15:33
who are still struggling for their daily food.
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care inca se mai lupta pentru a procura hrana de zi cu zi.
15:36
And the kind of simplistic solutions that we sometimes have,
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Si acest tip de solutii simple pe care le avem uneori,
15:39
to think that doing everything by hand
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cum este ca a face totul manual
15:41
is going to be the solution,
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reprezinta solutia,
15:43
is really not morally justified.
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nu se justifica din punct de vedere moral.
15:46
We need to help to lift them out of poverty.
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Trebuie sa-i ajutam sa iasa din saracie.
15:48
We need to make them proud of being a farmer
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Trebuie sa-i facem sa se simta mandri ca sunt fermieri
15:52
because they allow us to survive.
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pentru ca ei sunt cei care ne asigura supravietuirea.
15:55
Never before, as I said,
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Niciodata pana acum, asa cum am spus,
15:57
has the responsibility for food
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responsabilitatea pentru producerea hranei
15:59
been in the hands of so few.
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nu a fost in mainile atator de putini oameni.
16:01
And never before have we had the luxury
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Si niciodata pana acum nu am avut luxul
16:03
of taking it for granted
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de a crede ca ni se cuvine
16:05
because it is now so cheap.
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pentru ca acum este atat de ieftina.
16:08
And I think there is nobody else who has expressed
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Si cred ca nu este nimeni altcineva care si-a exprimat
16:10
better, to me, the idea that food, in the end,
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mai bine ideea ca hrana este la urma urmelor
16:14
in our own tradition, is something holy.
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propria noastra traditie, ca este ceva sfant.
16:17
It's not about nutrients and calories.
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Nu e vorba despre nutrienti si calorii.
16:19
It's about sharing. It's about honesty. It's about identity.
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E vorba despre impartasire. E vorba despre onestitate. E vorba despre identitate.
16:23
Who said this so beautifully was Mahatma Gandhi,
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Cel care a spus acest lucru atat de frumos a fost Mahatma Gandhi,
16:26
75 years ago, when he spoke about bread.
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acum 75 de ani, cand a vorbit despre paine.
16:29
He did not speak about rice, in India. He said,
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Nu a vorbit despre orez. In India a spus
16:32
"To those who have to go without two meals a day,
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"Pentru cei care nu pot manca doua mese pe zi,
16:36
God can only appear as bread."
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Dumnezeu poate aparea doar ca paine."
16:39
And so as I'm finishing my bread here --
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Si asa sunt pe cale sa-mi termin de facut painea --
16:43
and I've been baking it, and I'll try not to burn my hands.
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si a trebuit sa o coc. Si voi incerca sa nu-mi ard mainile.
16:47
Let me share
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Haide sa o impart
16:49
with those of you here in the first row.
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cu cei care sunt in primul rand aici.
16:51
Let me share some of the food with you.
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Lasati-ma sa impart niste mancare voi.
16:53
Take some of my bread.
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Luati un pic din painea mea.
16:55
And as you eat it, and as you try it --
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Si in timp ce o mancati si o incercati --
16:58
please come and stand up.
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va rog veniti si sa va ridicati.
17:00
Have some of it.
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Luati putin din ea.
17:02
I want you to think that every bite connects you
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Vreau sa va ganditi ca fiecare inghititura va conecteaza cu
17:05
to the past and the future:
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trecutul si cu viitorul,
17:07
to these anonymous farmers,
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cu acei fermieri anonimi,
17:09
that first bred the first wheat varieties;
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care au facut paine pentru prima data din primele soiuri de grau,
17:13
and to the farmers of today,
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si cu fermierii de azi,
17:15
who've been making this. And you don't even know who they are.
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care fac acest tip de paine. Si nici macar nu stiti cine sunt.
17:18
Every meal you eat
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Fiecare masa pe care o mancati
17:20
contains ingredients from all across the world.
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contine ingrediente de peste tot din lume.
17:24
Everything makes us so privileged,
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Suntem atat de privilegiati
17:27
that we can eat this food, that we don't struggle every day.
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ca putem manca aceste alimente si ca nu ne chinuim in fiecare zi.
17:30
And that, I think,
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Si cred ca acest lucru
17:32
evolutionarily-speaking is unique.
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este unic, evolutiv vorbind.
17:34
We've never had that before.
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Niciodata nu s-a mai intamplat asa ceva.
17:36
So enjoy your bread.
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Bucurati-va deci de paine.
17:38
Eat it, and feel privileged.
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Mancati-o si simtiti-va privilegiati.
17:40
Thank you very much.
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Multumesc foarte mult.
17:42
(Applause)
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(Aplauze)
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