How I named, shamed and jailed | Anas Aremeyaw Anas

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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翻译人员: illusion Hung 校对人员: WE SHEE YAP
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I am sorry I cannot show you my face,
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抱歉,我无法以真面目示人
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because if I do, the bad guys will come for me.
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因为如果这么做,坏人会找上我
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My journey started 14 years ago.
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这段旅程始于14年前
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I was a young reporter. I had just come out of college.
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当时我是个年轻记者,刚从大学毕业
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Then I got a scoop.
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然后我拿到一则独家新闻
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The scoop was quite a very simple story.
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那则独家新闻是十分简单的故事
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Police officers were taking bribes
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警察向街头小贩收贿
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from hawkers who were hawking on the streets.
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警察向街头小贩收贿
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As a young reporter, I thought that I should do it
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身为一位年轻的记者,我认为必须
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in a different way, so that it has a maximum impact,
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以不同方式报导,使这则新闻产生最大的影响力
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since everybody knew that it was happening,
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因为每个人都知道这个情形
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and yet there was nothing that was keeping it out of the system.
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却无法杜绝这个陋习
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So I decided to go there
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因此我决定走上街头
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and act as a seller.
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扮成一个小贩
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As part of selling, I was able to document
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卖东西之余,我也能搜集
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the hard core evidence.
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核心证据
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The impact was great.
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效果十分显著
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It was fantastic.
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棒极了
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This was what many call immersion journalism,
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这就是人们所谓的浸入式报导
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or undercover journalism.
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或卧底报导
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I am an undercover journalist.
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我是个卧底记者
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My journalism is hinged on three basic principles:
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我的报导立足于三项基本原则:
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naming, shaming and jailing.
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揭露罪犯姓名、使其蒙羞、使其入狱
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Journalism is about results.
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新闻报导的重点在于结果
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It's about affecting your community or your society
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在于影响社区或社会
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in the most progressive way.
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以最具成效的方式
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I have worked on this for over 14 years,
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我从事这项工作已超过14年
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and I can tell you, the results are very good.
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我可以告诉各位,效果非常棒
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One story that comes to mind
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我想起其中一个故事
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in my undercover pieces
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来自我的卧底报导
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is "Spirit Child."
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标题是〈灵子〉(Spirit Child)
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It was about children who were born with deformities,
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内容是关于先天畸形的孩童
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and their parents felt that once they were born
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他们的父母认为一旦孩子先天畸形
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with those deformities,
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他们的父母认为一旦孩子先天畸形
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they were not good enough to live in the society,
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就不适合生存于这个社会
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so they were given some concoction to take
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因此他们被迫服用某种药汁
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and as a result they died.
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孩子因此丧命
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So I built a prosthetic baby,
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因此我订制了一个假婴儿
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and I went into the village,
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前往那座村庄
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pretended as though this baby had been born
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假装这个婴儿
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with a deformity, and here was the guys who do the killing.
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先天畸形,这就是那些杀婴凶手
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They got themselves ready.
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他们已准备就绪
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In their bids to kill, I got the police on standby,
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当他们准备行动时,我请警察在一旁待命
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and they came that fateful morning
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他们在那个命运的早晨现身,准备杀婴
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to come and kill the child.
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他们在那个命运的早晨现身,准备杀婴
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I recall how they were seriously boiling the concoction.
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我记得他们多么认真地烹煮药汁
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They put it on fire. It was boiling hot,
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他们将药汁放在炉火上,药汁沸腾着
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getting ready to give to the kids.
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准备给孩子服用
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Whilst this was going on, the police I had alerted,
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此时,我事先知会过的警察已在一旁待命
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they were on standby,
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此时,我事先知会过的警察已在一旁待命
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and just as the concoction was ready,
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就在药汁完成
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and they were about to give it to the kids,
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准备给孩子服用时
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I phoned the police,
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我打电话给警察
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and fortunately they came and busted them.
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所幸警察及时赶到,逮捕了他们
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As I speak now, they are before the courts.
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我叙述这个故事的当下,他们正在出庭
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Don't forget the key principles:
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别忘了其中的关键原则:
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naming, shaming and jailing.
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揭露罪犯姓名、使其蒙羞、使其入狱
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The court process is taking place,
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法庭程序正在进行
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and I'm very sure at the end of the day
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我确信那天结束前
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we will find them, and we will put them
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我们会找到他们,将他们送往
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where they belong too.
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他们该去的地方
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Another key story that comes to mind,
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我想到另一个重要的故事
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which relates to this spirit child phenomenon,
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和这个“灵子”现象有关
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is "The Spell of the Albinos."
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标题为〈白子诅咒〉(The Spell of the Albinos)
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I'm sure most of you may have heard, in Tanzania,
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我相信在座大部分人听说过,在坦桑尼亚
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children who are born with albinism
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罹患白化症的孩童
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are sometimes considered as being unfit
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有时被认为不适合
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to live in society.
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生存于这个社会
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Their bodies are chopped up with machetes
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他们肢体遭弯刀截下
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and are supposed to be used for some concoctions
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或许被用于制作药汁
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or some potions for people to get money --
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或供人图利的药剂
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or so many, many stories people would tell about it.
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或许多人们传言中的用途
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It was time to go undercover again.
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是再次卧底的时候了
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So I went undercover as a man who was interested
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因此我展开卧底行动,扮成一位
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in this particular business, of course.
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对这门生意感兴趣的人,当然
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Again, a prosthetic arm was built.
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我再次订制了一条假手臂
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For the first time, I filmed on hidden camera
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那是第一次,我用隐藏式摄影机
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the guys who do this, and they were ready to buy the arm
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拍下进行这项交易的人 他们准备购买这条手臂
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and they were ready to use it to prepare
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准备用它来调制药剂
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those potions for people.
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准备用它来调制药剂
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I am glad today the Tanzanian government has taken action,
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我很高兴目前坦桑尼亚政府已采取行动
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but the key issue is that the Tanzanian government
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但关键问题在于,坦桑尼亚政府
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could only take action because the evidence was available.
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只能在证据确凿的情况下采取行动
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My journalism is about hard core evidence.
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我的报导正是关于核心证据
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If I say you have stolen, I show you the evidence
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如果我指控你偷窃,我会展示你偷窃的证据
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that you have stolen.
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如果我指控你偷窃,我会展示你偷窃的证据
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I show you how you stole it
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我会揭露你偷窃的方法
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and when, or what you used
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偷窃的时间、工具和目的
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what you had stolen to do.
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偷窃的时间、工具和目的
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What is the essence of journalism if it doesn't benefit society?
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如果新闻报导 对社会没有好处,有何存在的必要?
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My kind of journalism is a product
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我的报导源于我的社会
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of my society.
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我的报导源于我的社会
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I know that sometimes
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我知道,有时
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people have their own criticisms
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人们对卧底报导有所争议
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about undercover journalism.
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人们对卧底报导有所争议
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(Video) Official: He brought out some money from his pockets
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(视频)官员:他从口袋里掏出一些钱
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and put it on the table,
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放在桌上
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so that we should not be afraid.
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试图让我们放心
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He wants to bring the cocoa and send it to Cote d'Ivoire.
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他想将可可运往科特迪瓦
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So with my hidden intention, I kept quiet.
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因为我有其他打算,我保持沉默
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I didn't utter a word.
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我一语不发
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But my colleagues didn't know.
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但我的同事毫不知情
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So after collecting the money,
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因此收了钱
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when he left, we were waiting for him to bring the goods.
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他离开之后,我们等他把货品带来
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Immediately after he left, I told my colleagues that
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他离开之后,我立刻告诉同事
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since I was the leader of the group,
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因为我是这个团队的领导者
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I told my colleagues that if they come,
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我告诉同事,如果他们前来
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we will arrest them.
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我们就将他们逮捕
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Second official: I don't even know the place called [unclear].
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第二名官员: 我甚至不知道那个叫〔不清楚〕的地方
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I've never stepped there before.
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我不曾去过那里
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So I'm surprised.
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因此我很讶异
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You see a hand counting money just in front of me.
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你看见有只手在我面前数钱
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The next moment, you see the money in my hands,
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下一秒,你看见钱在我手里数着
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counting, whereas I have not come into contact with anybody.
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但我不曾与任何人接触
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I have not done any business with anybody.
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我不曾与任何人进行交易
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Reporter: When Metro News contacted investigative reporter
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记者:当《都市日报》联系调查记者
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas for his reaction,
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas,想知道他的反应时
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he just smiled and gave this video extract
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他只是微笑着,提供这段
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he did not use in the documentary recently shown onscreen.
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不曾出现在近期播出的纪录片中的视频
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The officer who earlier denied involvement
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之前否认涉案的官员
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pecks a calculator to compute the amount of money
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按着计算器 计算他们打算对走私可可收取的贿款
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they will charge on the cocoa to be smuggled.
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按着计算器 计算他们打算对走私可可收取的贿款
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas: This was another story on anticorruption.
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas: 这是另一个与反贪污有关的故事
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And here was him, denying.
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这是那名矢口否认的官员
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But you see, when you have the hard core evidence,
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但如各位所见,当你拥有核心证据时
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you are able to affect society.
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就能影响社会
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Sometimes these are some of the headlines that come. (Music)
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有时报上会出现这样的头条(音乐)
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[I will curse Anas to death]
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〈我诅咒Anas不得好死〉
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[Anas Lies]
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〈Anas谎话连篇〉
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[Alarm Blows Over Anas' News for Cash Video]
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〈Anas用以图利的新闻视频引起轩然大波〉
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[Agenda Against Top CEPS Officials Exposed]
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〈对抗缉私局高层官员计划曝光〉
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[Anas Operates with Invisible Powers?]
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〈Anas拥有看不见的力量?〉
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[Gov't Wobbles Over Anas Video]
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〈Anas的视频令政府不安〉
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[Hunting the Hunter]
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〈猎捕猎人〉
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[Anas 'Bribe' Men in Court]
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〈Anas贿赂出庭者〉
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[15 Heads Roll Over Anas Tape]
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〈Anas的视频害死15人〉
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[Finance Minister Backs Anas]
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〈财政部长力挺Anas〉
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[11 Given Queries Over Anas' Story]
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〈对Anas报导的11个质疑〉
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[GJA Stands By Anas]
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〈加纳记者联盟支持Anas〉
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[Prez. Mills Storms Tema Harbour Over Anas Video]
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〈Anas的视频 使Mills总统于特马港大发雷霆〉
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["Late Prof. John Evans Atta Mills: Former president of Ghana"]
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〈加纳前总统John Evans Atta Mills〉
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John Evans Atta Mills: What Anas says
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John Evans Atta Mills: 很多人对Anas报导的事件
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is not something which is unknown to many of us,
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并非毫不知情
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but please, those of you who are agents,
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但听着,各位特工
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and who are leading the customs officers into temptation,
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还有使海关官员陷入诱惑的人
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I'm telling you, Ghana is not going to say
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我告诉你们,加纳不会对你们客气
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any good things to you about this.
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我告诉你们,加纳不会对你们客气
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AAA: That was my president.
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AAA:那是我国前总统
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I thought that I couldn't come here
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我想,既然来到这里
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without giving you something special.
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我必须给你们一些特别的东西
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I have a piece, and I'm excited that
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我有个故事,很高兴
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I'm sharing it for the first time with you here.
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能在这里第一次分享
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I have been undercover in the prisons.
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我曾经在监狱卧底
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I have been there for a long time.
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我在那里待了很长一段时间
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And I can tell you, what I saw is not nice.
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我可以告诉各位,我目睹的情形糟透了
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But again, I can only affect society
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但同样地,我无法影响社会
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and affect government if I bring out the hard core evidence.
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影响政府,除非我携出核心证据
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Many times, the prison authorities have denied
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无数次地,狱方矢口否认
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ever having issues of drug abuse,
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存在毒品滥用问题
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issues of sodomy, so many issues they would deny
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存在鸡奸问题 他们否认太多曾经发生过的事
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that it ever happens.
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存在鸡奸问题 他们否认太多曾经发生过的事
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How can you obtain the hard core evidence?
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如何才能取得核心证据?
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So I was in the prison. ["Nsawan Prison"]
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因此我进了监狱 〈Nsawan监狱〉
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Now, what you are seeing is a pile of dead bodies.
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好,你们眼中所见的是一堆尸体
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Now, I happen to have followed one of my inmates,
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我碰巧目睹一位室友
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one of my friends, from his sick bed till death,
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一位狱友,从卧病在床到死亡的过程
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and I can tell you it was not a nice thing at all.
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我可以告诉各位,简直惨不忍睹
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There were issues of bad food being served
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狱中的问题包括伙食极差
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as I recall that some of the food I ate
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我记得有些食物
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is just not good for a human being.
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并不适合人类食用
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Toilet facilities: very bad.
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厕所设备:非常差
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I mean, you had to queue to get proper toilets to attend --
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我指的是,你得排队才能用到象样的厕所
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and that's what I call proper,
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我所谓的象样是指
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when four of us are on a manhole.
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四人合用一个茅坑
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It is something that if you narrate it to somebody,
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这是即使说给某个人听
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the person wouldn't believe it.
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那个人也不会相信的情况
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The only way that you can let the person believe
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使那个人相信的唯一办法就是
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is when you show hard core evidence.
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让他目睹核心证据
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Of course, drugs were abundant.
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当然,毒品随处可见
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It was easier to get cannabis, heroin and cocaine,
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在监狱里取得大麻、海洛因和古柯碱
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faster even, in the prison than outside the prison.
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甚至比外面更快、更容易
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Evil in the society is an extreme disease.
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社会中的邪恶是一种重病
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If you have extreme diseases,
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如果罹患重病
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you need to get extreme remedies.
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就必须下重药
09:55
My kind of journalism might not fit in other continents
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我的报导或许不适用于其他洲
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or other countries,
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或其他国家
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but I can tell you, it works in my part of the continent
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但我可以告诉各位,它适用于我所在的
10:03
of Africa, because usually, when people talk
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非洲地区,因为人们谈到贪污时 通常会问,“证据在哪里?”
10:05
about corruption, they ask, "Where is the evidence?
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非洲地区,因为人们谈到贪污时 通常会问,“证据在哪里?”
10:08
Show me the evidence."
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“我要看证据”
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I say, "This is the evidence."
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我说,“这就是证据”
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And that has aided in me putting a lot of people behind bars.
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它帮助我将许多人送进监狱
10:16
You see, we on the continent are able
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你们知道,在我身处的非洲
10:19
to tell the story better because we face the conditions
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揭露这些故事较具影响力,因为我们能面对局势
10:22
and we see the conditions.
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看清局势
10:24
That is why I was particularly excited
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这就是为何我格外兴奋
10:26
when we launched our "Africa Investigates" series
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当我们的《非洲调查》影集播出时
10:28
where we investigated a lot of African countries.
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我们调查了许多非洲国家
10:32
As a result of the success of the "Africa Investigates" series,
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由于《非洲调查》影集的成功
10:35
we are moving on to World Investigates.
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我们打算着手进行《世界调查》
10:38
By the end of it, a lot more bad guys
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调查结束时 将有更多非洲坏人被送进监狱
10:40
on our continent will be put behind bars.
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调查结束时 将有更多非洲坏人被送进监狱
10:44
This will not stop.
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调查不会停止
10:46
I'm going to carry on with this kind of journalism,
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我打算继续从事这类报导
10:49
because I know that when evil men destroy,
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因为我知道,欲打击坏人
10:52
good men must build and bind.
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好人必须携手合作
10:54
Thank you very much.
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十分感谢
10:55
(Applause)
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(掌声)
11:05
Chris Anderson: Thank you. Thank you.
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Chris Anderson:谢谢,谢谢
11:07
I have some questions for you.
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我想请教一些问题
11:09
How did you end up in jail? This was just a few weeks ago, I believe, yeah?
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你是怎么入狱的? 这只是几星期前的事,对吗?
11:13
AAA: Sure. You know, undercover is all about
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AAA:是的,你知道,卧底的重点在于
11:15
setting the priorities right, so we got people
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安排好行动优先顺序 因此我们找人把我送上法庭
11:18
to take me to court.
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安排好行动优先顺序 因此我们找人把我送上法庭
11:20
So I went through the very legal process,
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因此我经由完全合法的程序入狱
11:22
because at the end of the day, the prison authorities
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因为那天结束时 狱方会确认你是否确实上过法庭
11:24
want to check whether indeed you have been there or not,
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因为那天结束时 狱方会确认你是否确实上过法庭
11:27
and that's how I got in there.
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那就是我入狱的方法
11:29
CA: So someone sued you in court,
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CA:因此有人控告你
11:31
and they took you there, and you were in remand custody
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他们把你送上法庭,你因涉案遭到拘留
11:34
for part of it, and you did that deliberately.
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AAA:是的 CA:你是故意这么做的?
11:36
AAA: Yes, yes.
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AAA:是的,没错
11:38
CA: Talk to me just about fear
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CA:我们谈谈关于恐惧的话题
11:41
and how you manage that,
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你怎么处理这种感觉
11:43
because you're regularly putting your life at risk.
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因为你经常让自己身处险境
11:45
How do you do that?
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你如何克服这一点?
11:47
AAA: You see, undercover is always a last resort.
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AAA:你知道,卧底一向是最后手段
11:50
Before we go undercover, we follow the rules.
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进行卧底之前,我们一向照规矩行事
11:52
And I'm only comfortable and I'm purged of fear
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只有在确认所有步骤都就绪之后 我才会感到自在、无所畏惧
11:55
whenever I am sure that all the steps
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只有在确认所有步骤都就绪之后 我才会感到自在、无所畏惧
11:58
have been taken. I don't do it alone. I have a backup team
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我并非独立作业,我有一个后援团队
12:01
who help ensure that the safety and all the systems
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确保我的安全及整个系统
12:04
are put in place, but you've got to take
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正确运作,但状况发生时
12:06
very intelligent decisions whenever they are happening.
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你必须做出非常明智的决定
12:09
If you don't, you will end up losing your life.
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如果做不到,就会送命
12:12
So yes, when the backup systems are put in place,
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因此,当后援系统准备就绪
12:14
I'm okay, I go in. Risky, yes,
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我就没问题 我会勇往直前,危险当然存在
12:16
but it's a hazard of a profession.
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但这就是职业风险
12:19
I mean, everybody has their hazard.
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我是指,任何人都可能遭遇风险
12:21
And once you say that is yours,
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一旦你知道自己面临什么风险
12:22
you've got to take it, as and when it comes.
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就必须承担风险来临时的后果
12:25
CA: Well, you're an amazing human and you've done amazing work
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CA:嗯,你是个 了不起的人,从事了不起的工作
12:27
and you've taught us a story
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我想你告诉我们的是
12:29
like no story I think any of us have heard before.
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所有听众都不曾耳闻的故事
12:32
And we're appreciative. We salute you. Thank you so much, Anas.
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十分感谢,我们向你致敬,非常感谢,Anas
12:36
AAA: Thank you.
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AAA:谢谢
12:37
CA: Thank you. Stay safe. (Applause)
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CA:谢谢,保重 (掌声)
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