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Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Morton Bast
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譯者: NAN-KUN WU
審譯者: Claire Yeh
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I am sorry I cannot show you my face,
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抱歉我不能讓你們看見我的臉,
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because if I do, the bad guys will come for me.
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因為如果我這麼做,那些壞人會找上我。
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My journey started 14 years ago.
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14年前我開始了這段旅程。
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I was a young reporter. I had just come out of college.
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那時候我是個年輕的記者。剛剛大學畢業。
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Then I got a scoop.
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然後我拿到了一條獨家新聞。
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The scoop was quite a very simple story.
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那條獨家新聞是個很簡單的故事。
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Police officers were taking bribes
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警察向在街上
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from hawkers who were hawking on the streets.
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擺攤的小販收賄。
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As a young reporter, I thought that I should do it
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身為一個年輕記者,我想我需要
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in a different way, so that it has a maximum impact,
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用一個不同的方式來報導,
讓這件事有最大的影響力,
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since everybody knew that it was happening,
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因為每個人都知道有這麼一回事,
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and yet there was nothing that was keeping it out of the system.
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但是卻沒有辦法阻止它發生。
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So I decided to go there
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所以我決定
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and act as a seller.
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假扮成一個小販。
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As part of selling, I was able to document
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在賣東西之餘,也能夠
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the hard core evidence.
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收集核心證據。
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The impact was great.
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效果非常大。
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It was fantastic.
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非常好。
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This was what many call immersion journalism,
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這就是許多人說的潛浸報導
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or undercover journalism.
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或是臥底報導。
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I am an undercover journalist.
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我是個臥底記者。
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My journalism is hinged on three basic principles:
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我的報導有三個基本原則:
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naming, shaming and jailing.
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報出名字、使人蒙羞、送人坐牢。
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Journalism is about results.
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報導就是要得到結果。
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It's about affecting your community or your society
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用最進步的方式
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in the most progressive way.
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影響你的社區和社會。
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I have worked on this for over 14 years,
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我做這件事已經超過14年了,
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and I can tell you, the results are very good.
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而我能告訴你,結果非常好。
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One story that comes to mind
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我想起我的一個報導,
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in my undercover pieces
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我的一個臥底報導,
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is "Spirit Child."
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叫做「靈子」(Spirit Child)。
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It was about children who were born with deformities,
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它是有關先天畸形的孩童,
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and their parents felt that once they were born
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這些孩童的父母認為只要他們
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with those deformities,
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是先天畸形,
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they were not good enough to live in the society,
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他們就沒有辦法在這個社會上生存,
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so they were given some concoction to take
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因此他們給了這些孩童某些混合物,
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and as a result they died.
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而結果是孩子們死了。
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So I built a prosthetic baby,
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所以我製作了一個假的嬰兒,
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and I went into the village,
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然後進到了那個村莊,
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pretended as though this baby had been born
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假裝這個嬰兒
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with a deformity, and here was the guys who do the killing.
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有先天畸形,那些從事殺嬰的人就在那裡。
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They got themselves ready.
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他們準備好了。
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In their bids to kill, I got the police on standby,
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在他們嘗試殺嬰的時候,我叫警察準備。
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and they came that fateful morning
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他們在那命運的隔天早晨
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to come and kill the child.
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來到並殺了嬰兒。
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I recall how they were seriously boiling the concoction.
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我想起了他們是
如此認真謹慎的烹煮混合物。
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They put it on fire. It was boiling hot,
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他們把它放在爐火上。它正滾燙著,
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getting ready to give to the kids.
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準備好要餵給孩子們了。
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Whilst this was going on, the police I had alerted,
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正當那個時候,那些警察,
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they were on standby,
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正伺機而動,
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and just as the concoction was ready,
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而混合物準備好
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and they were about to give it to the kids,
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而且正要餵孩子們吃的時候,
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I phoned the police,
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我打了電話給警察,
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and fortunately they came and busted them.
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很幸運地警察趕到並逮捕了他們。
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As I speak now, they are before the courts.
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當我在演講的這個時候,他們正在出庭。
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Don't forget the key principles:
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別忘了重要的原則:
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naming, shaming and jailing.
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報出名字、使人蒙羞、送人坐牢。
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The court process is taking place,
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法庭程序正在進行,
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and I'm very sure at the end of the day
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我非常肯定我們今天
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we will find them, and we will put them
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會找到他們,並將他們送到
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where they belong too.
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他們該去的地方。
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Another key story that comes to mind,
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我想到的另外一個關鍵故事
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which relates to this spirit child phenomenon,
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和這個「靈子」現象有關係,
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is "The Spell of the Albinos."
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它叫做「白子咒語」
(The Spell of the Albinos)。
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I'm sure most of you may have heard, in Tanzania,
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我肯定你們大部分的人
都聽說過,在坦尚尼亞
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children who are born with albinism
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出生的白子孩童
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are sometimes considered as being unfit
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有時候會被認為無法
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to live in society.
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在社會上生存。
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Their bodies are chopped up with machetes
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他們的屍體會用彎刀切成塊,
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and are supposed to be used for some concoctions
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也應該有些被拿去製作混合物
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or some potions for people to get money --
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或者被一些人用作賺錢的藥物--
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or so many, many stories people would tell about it.
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或是變成很多很多人們會說的故事。
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It was time to go undercover again.
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是時候再當臥底了。
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So I went undercover as a man who was interested
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因此我假裝是一個對這門生意
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in this particular business, of course.
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有興趣的男人,這是當然的。
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Again, a prosthetic arm was built.
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又一次,我打造了一條義肢手臂。
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For the first time, I filmed on hidden camera
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那是第一次我用藏好的攝影機
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the guys who do this, and they were ready to buy the arm
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拍下做這些事情的人,
他們準備好要購買這條手臂
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and they were ready to use it to prepare
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並準備用它來製作
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those potions for people.
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藥劑給那些人了。
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I am glad today the Tanzanian government has taken action,
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我很高興今天
坦尚尼亞的政府採取行動了,
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but the key issue is that the Tanzanian government
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但是關鍵問題在於坦尚尼亞政府
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could only take action because the evidence was available.
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只能在有證據的情況下採取行動。
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My journalism is about hard core evidence.
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我的報導就是關於核心證據的。
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If I say you have stolen, I show you the evidence
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如果我說你偷了東西,我就會讓你看
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that you have stolen.
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你偷了東西的證據。
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I show you how you stole it
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我會讓你看到你是怎麼偷、
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and when, or what you used
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在什麼時候偷、或是你用了什麼,
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what you had stolen to do.
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來證明你偷竊。
04:48
What is the essence of journalism if it doesn't benefit society?
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如果一則報導對社會沒有好處,
那麼它的本質是什麼呢?
04:53
My kind of journalism is a product
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我的報導產自
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of my society.
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我的社會。
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I know that sometimes
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我知道人們有時候
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people have their own criticisms
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對臥底報導有
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about undercover journalism.
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他們自己的批評。
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(Video) Official: He brought out some money from his pockets
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(影片)官員:他從他口袋裡拿出了一些錢
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and put it on the table,
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放在桌上,
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so that we should not be afraid.
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所以我們不需要擔心。
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He wants to bring the cocoa and send it to Cote d'Ivoire.
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他想要把可可送到象牙海岸
(Côte d'Ivoire, Ivory Coast)。
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So with my hidden intention, I kept quiet.
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即使我有潛在的意圖,我仍保持了沉默。
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I didn't utter a word.
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我一個字也沒說。
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But my colleagues didn't know.
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但是我的同事並不知道。
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So after collecting the money,
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所以收了錢之後、
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when he left, we were waiting for him to bring the goods.
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他離開了之後,我們等著他把東西帶來。
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Immediately after he left, I told my colleagues that
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他離開之後我立刻告訴了我的同事,
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since I was the leader of the group,
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因為我是這個團隊的頭頭,
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I told my colleagues that if they come,
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我告訴我的同事說如果他們來的話,
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we will arrest them.
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我們就逮捕他們。
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Second official: I don't even know the place called [unclear].
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第二名官員:我甚至不知道那個叫做[不詳]的地方。
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I've never stepped there before.
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我從來沒有去過哪裡。
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So I'm surprised.
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所以我很訝異。
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You see a hand counting money just in front of me.
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你看到有隻手就在我面前數錢。
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The next moment, you see the money in my hands,
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下一秒你就看到錢在我手裡,
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counting, whereas I have not come into contact with anybody.
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數著,然而我並沒有跟任何人接觸。
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I have not done any business with anybody.
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我從沒和任何人進行交易。
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Reporter: When Metro News contacted investigative reporter
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記者:當Metro News和調查記者
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas for his reaction,
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas 聯繫想知道他的反應時,
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he just smiled and gave this video extract
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他只是微笑並給了這段
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he did not use in the documentary recently shown onscreen.
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他沒有用在最近在電視上
播出的紀錄片裡的精華影片。
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The officer who earlier denied involvement
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之前否認涉案的官員
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pecks a calculator to compute the amount of money
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在按計算機計算
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they will charge on the cocoa to be smuggled.
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他們要對可可走私收取的金錢。
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas: This was another story on anticorruption.
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Anas Aremeyaw Anas:
這是另外一個跟反貪汙有關的故事。
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And here was him, denying.
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他否認了。
06:37
But you see, when you have the hard core evidence,
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但是如你所見,當你擁有核心證據時,
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you are able to affect society.
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你就可以影響社會。
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Sometimes these are some of the headlines that come. (Music)
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有時候會出現這些頭版標題。(音樂)
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[I will curse Anas to death]
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[我咒 Anas 死]
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[Anas Lies]
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[Anas 說謊]
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[Alarm Blows Over Anas' News for Cash Video]
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[警報平息了 Anas 關於官員賄賂的新聞影片。
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[Agenda Against Top CEPS Officials Exposed]
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[反對 CEPS (Customs, Excise and
Preventive Service ) 高層官員的議程曝光了]
06:55
[Anas Operates with Invisible Powers?]
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[Anas 有看不見的力量?]
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[Gov't Wobbles Over Anas Video]
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[Anas 的影片讓政府不安]
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[Hunting the Hunter]
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[獵捕獵人]
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[Anas 'Bribe' Men in Court]
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[Anas 賄賂法庭上的人]
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[15 Heads Roll Over Anas Tape]
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[Anas 的影帶害死了 15 個人]
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[Finance Minister Backs Anas]
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[經濟部長力挺 Anas]
07:15
[11 Given Queries Over Anas' Story]
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[對 Anas 的故事的 11 個疑問]
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[GJA Stands By Anas]
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[GJA (Ghana Journalists Association) 和 Anas 在同一陣線]
07:21
[Prez. Mills Storms Tema Harbour Over Anas Video]
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[Prez. Mills 因為 Anas 的影片撼動了 Tema 港]
07:25
["Late Prof. John Evans Atta Mills: Former president of Ghana"]
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["John Evans Atta Mills: 迦納前總統"]
07:29
John Evans Atta Mills: What Anas says
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John Evans Atta Mills:Anas 所說的話
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is not something which is unknown to many of us,
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我們很多人都知道,
07:35
but please, those of you who are agents,
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但是拜託,那些特工
07:39
and who are leading the customs officers into temptation,
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和誘惑海關官員的人,
07:43
I'm telling you, Ghana is not going to say
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我要告訴你們,迦納是不會
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any good things to you about this.
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因為這些事情對你們說好話的。
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AAA: That was my president.
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AAA:那是我的總統。
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I thought that I couldn't come here
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我想既然來到了這裡,
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without giving you something special.
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就一定要給你們一些特別的東西。
07:58
I have a piece, and I'm excited that
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我有個故事,我對於
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I'm sharing it for the first time with you here.
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第一次在這裡
和你們分享感到很興奮。
08:05
I have been undercover in the prisons.
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我過去曾在監獄裡臥底過。
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I have been there for a long time.
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我在那裡待過很長一段時間。
08:13
And I can tell you, what I saw is not nice.
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我能告訴你們,
我所見到的事會讓人不舒服。
08:18
But again, I can only affect society
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但是再次重申,
唯有透過將核心證據帶出來,
08:21
and affect government if I bring out the hard core evidence.
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我才能夠影響社會、政府。
08:25
Many times, the prison authorities have denied
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很多次,獄方矢口否認
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ever having issues of drug abuse,
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曾經發生過毒品濫用、
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issues of sodomy, so many issues they would deny
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雞姦等的事情,他們否認了
08:35
that it ever happens.
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曾經發生過的許多事情。
08:36
How can you obtain the hard core evidence?
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你要如何得到核心證據呢?
08:40
So I was in the prison. ["Nsawan Prison"]
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因此我進到了監獄裡。["Nsawan監獄"]
08:44
Now, what you are seeing is a pile of dead bodies.
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好,現在你們所看到的是一堆屍體。
08:48
Now, I happen to have followed one of my inmates,
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好,我見證了我的一位獄友
08:51
one of my friends, from his sick bed till death,
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也是我的一個朋友,
從臥病在床到死亡的過程,
08:55
and I can tell you it was not a nice thing at all.
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我告訴你們,那絕對是慘不忍睹。
08:59
There were issues of bad food being served
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那裡提供的食物很差
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as I recall that some of the food I ate
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在我記憶中我在那裡所吃的食物
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is just not good for a human being.
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對人並不好。
09:11
Toilet facilities: very bad.
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廁所設施:非常差。
09:15
I mean, you had to queue to get proper toilets to attend --
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我是說,你得排隊
才能用到像樣的廁所——
09:20
and that's what I call proper,
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而我說的像樣
09:23
when four of us are on a manhole.
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是指四個人同時使用一個人孔。
09:26
It is something that if you narrate it to somebody,
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這是一種你就算說給某個人聽
09:30
the person wouldn't believe it.
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他也不會相信的情況。
09:31
The only way that you can let the person believe
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要讓那個人相信的辦法
09:34
is when you show hard core evidence.
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就是讓他看見核心證據。
09:36
Of course, drugs were abundant.
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當然,毒品很多。
09:39
It was easier to get cannabis, heroin and cocaine,
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在監獄裡要拿到大麻、海洛因和古柯鹼
09:42
faster even, in the prison than outside the prison.
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比在外面容易,甚至更快。
09:45
Evil in the society is an extreme disease.
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邪惡在社會上是種重病。
09:50
If you have extreme diseases,
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如果你得到了重病,
09:52
you need to get extreme remedies.
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你就需要下重藥。
09:55
My kind of journalism might not fit in other continents
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我這種報導也許不適用在
其他洲或是其他國家,
09:58
or other countries,
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或是其他國家,
09:59
but I can tell you, it works in my part of the continent
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但我能告訴你,
在我所在這個部分的非洲有效,
10:03
of Africa, because usually, when people talk
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因為人們談到
10:05
about corruption, they ask, "Where is the evidence?
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貪污的時候通常會問:「證據呢?
10:08
Show me the evidence."
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我要看證據。」
10:09
I say, "This is the evidence."
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我說:「這就是證據。」
10:11
And that has aided in me putting a lot of people behind bars.
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那幫我將很多人關進大牢。
10:16
You see, we on the continent are able
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嗯,在這裡我們能夠
10:19
to tell the story better because we face the conditions
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把事情看得更清楚
是因為我們能看到這些情況
10:22
and we see the conditions.
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並面對這些情況。
10:24
That is why I was particularly excited
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這就是為什麼我在
10:26
when we launched our "Africa Investigates" series
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「非洲大調查」這個影集的播出 (Africa Investigates)
的時候感到特別興奮的原因。
10:28
where we investigated a lot of African countries.
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我們在這個影集裡面
調查了很多的非洲國家。
10:32
As a result of the success of the "Africa Investigates" series,
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由於「非洲大調查」影集的成功,
10:35
we are moving on to World Investigates.
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我們正在著手進行「世界大調查」。
10:38
By the end of it, a lot more bad guys
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在節目的尾聲,非洲的很多壞人
10:40
on our continent will be put behind bars.
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被關進了大牢裡。
10:44
This will not stop.
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這不會停止。
10:46
I'm going to carry on with this kind of journalism,
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我會繼續從事這類報導,
10:49
because I know that when evil men destroy,
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因為我知道要摧毀壞人,
10:52
good men must build and bind.
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好人就必須緊密團結合作。
10:54
Thank you very much.
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非常感謝各位。
10:55
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:05
Chris Anderson: Thank you. Thank you.
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Chris Anderson:謝謝你。謝謝。
11:07
I have some questions for you.
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我有一些問題要問你。
11:09
How did you end up in jail? This was just a few weeks ago, I believe, yeah?
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你是怎麼進到監獄裡的?
這只是幾個禮拜前的事,對吧?
11:13
AAA: Sure. You know, undercover is all about
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AAA:嗯,臥底的重點就是
11:15
setting the priorities right, so we got people
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要搞對事情的優先順序,所以我們找人
11:18
to take me to court.
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把我弄上法庭。
11:20
So I went through the very legal process,
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我完全是經由合法程序,
11:22
because at the end of the day, the prison authorities
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因為那天最後獄方
11:24
want to check whether indeed you have been there or not,
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想要查看我究竟有沒有到那裡去。
11:27
and that's how I got in there.
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而這就是我進去的方法。
11:29
CA: So someone sued you in court,
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CA:所以有人控告你並把你帶到哪裡去,
11:31
and they took you there, and you were in remand custody
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然後你因為涉案被還押,
11:34
for part of it, and you did that deliberately.
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而你是故意這麼做的?
11:36
AAA: Yes, yes.
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AAA:是的,沒錯。
11:38
CA: Talk to me just about fear
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CA:和我說說畏懼感吧,
11:41
and how you manage that,
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CA:還有你是怎麼處理它的,
11:43
because you're regularly putting your life at risk.
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因為你經常讓你自己陷於危險。
11:45
How do you do that?
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你是如何做到的?
11:47
AAA: You see, undercover is always a last resort.
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AAA:嗯,臥底一直都是一件破釜沉舟的事。
11:50
Before we go undercover, we follow the rules.
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我們去臥底之前,都是照著規矩來的。
11:52
And I'm only comfortable and I'm purged of fear
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在確認了所有的步驟
11:55
whenever I am sure that all the steps
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都做了之後
11:58
have been taken. I don't do it alone. I have a backup team
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我就順其自然而且無所畏懼。
我有一個後援團隊
12:01
who help ensure that the safety and all the systems
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幫我確保安全還有整個系統
12:04
are put in place, but you've got to take
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正確運作,但是在有狀況發生的時候
12:06
very intelligent decisions whenever they are happening.
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你必須做出非常明智的決定。
12:09
If you don't, you will end up losing your life.
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如果做不到,就會送命。
12:12
So yes, when the backup systems are put in place,
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所以呢,當後援系統都準備就緒,
12:14
I'm okay, I go in. Risky, yes,
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我就準備好了。我便勇往直前。
危險,當然存在,
12:16
but it's a hazard of a profession.
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但是這是職業風險。
12:19
I mean, everybody has their hazard.
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我是說,任何人都有他們的風險。
12:21
And once you say that is yours,
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而當你知道了你的風險所在,
12:22
you've got to take it, as and when it comes.
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當它來臨時你就必須去承擔。
12:25
CA: Well, you're an amazing human and you've done amazing work
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CA:嗯,你是個令人驚奇的人,
你做的事也同樣非凡無比,
12:27
and you've taught us a story
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你告訴我們的故事,
12:29
like no story I think any of us have heard before.
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我們任何一位都不曾聽過。
12:32
And we're appreciative. We salute you. Thank you so much, Anas.
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我們很感激。我們向您致敬。
非常感謝您,Anas。
12:36
AAA: Thank you.
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AAA:謝謝。
12:37
CA: Thank you. Stay safe. (Applause)
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CA:謝謝你。注意安全。(掌聲)
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