Jeff Hawkins: How brain science will change computing

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翻译人员: 陆政宜 Lawrence Lok 校对人员: Ken Zheng
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I do two things:
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我有两个专业,设计微型电脑和研究大脑
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I design mobile computers and I study brains.
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00:28
Today's talk is about brains and -- (Audience member cheers)
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今天的演说是关于大脑的
00:31
Yay! I have a brain fan out there.
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嘿,我们听众里面好像有大脑研究的粉丝
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
请把我演说的首页播放
00:36
If I could have my first slide,
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你们可以看到我演说的标题和我的两个专业资格
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you'll see the title of my talk and my two affiliations.
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00:41
So what I'm going to talk about is why we don't have a good brain theory,
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我会先说为什么我们没有一个好的大脑理论
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why it is important that we should develop one
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研究出一个大脑理论的重要性和怎么应用
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and what we can do about it.
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00:48
I'll try to do all that in 20 minutes.
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我会尝试在20分钟内完成。我有两个职业
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I have two affiliations.
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00:51
Most of you know me from my Palm and Handspring days,
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你们可能认识我其中的职业和我的发明,Palm 和 Handspring 掌上电脑
00:54
but I also run a nonprofit scientific research institute
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但我还有一个非盈利的研究院 :
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called the Redwood Neuroscience Institute in Menlo Park.
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位于 美国 Menlo Park的Redwood(红木)神经系统科学研究院
00:59
We study theoretical neuroscience and how the neocortex works.
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在那里我们研究神经系统科学理论
和研究 新(大脑)皮层 是怎么运作的
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I'm going to talk all about that.
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我将会讲解有关的研究
01:04
I have one slide on my other life, the computer life,
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我有一页演说是关于我电脑方面的工作,这张就是
01:07
and that's this slide here.
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01:08
These are some of the products I've worked on over the last 20 years,
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这些是我在近 20 年来设计过的电子产品
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starting from the very original laptop
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由最早的笔记本到第一台手写笔记本
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to some of the first tablet computers
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01:15
and so on, ending up most recently with the Treo,
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到最近的 微型笔记本 Treo
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and we're continuing to do this.
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而我们会继续这方面的工作
01:19
I've done this because I believe mobile computing
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我干这些是因为我深信移动计算技术
01:21
is the future of personal computing,
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是个人计算系统的未来,而我会尝试通过这些工作
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and I'm trying to make the world a little bit better
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来造福人群
01:25
by working on these things.
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01:27
But this was, I admit, all an accident.
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但我得承认这些都是巧合
01:29
I really didn't want to do any of these products.
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我其实没有想过时间这些产品
01:31
Very early in my career
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而在我刚刚开始工作的时候我决定
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I decided I was not going to be in the computer industry.
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我不会从事计算机行业
01:35
Before that, I just have to tell you
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在说那个之前,让我先告诉你
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about this picture of Graffiti I picked off the web the other day.
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我在网上找到这个小图片,
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I was looking for a picture for Graffiti that'll text input language.
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我在网上找有关涂鸦的图片,
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I found a website dedicated to teachers who want to make script-writing things
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而发现这专为教师们而设的网站
他们教学中在黑板上写的,
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across the top of their blackboard,
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and they had added Graffiti to it, and I'm sorry about that.
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而他们却把这涂鸦上了,真可惜,
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(Laughter)
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(听众的笑声)
01:54
So what happened was,
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经过是这样的,我还年轻的时候,刚刚从Cornell 康奈尔大学工程学院毕业
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when I was young and got out of engineering school at Cornell in '79,
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是 1979 年, 我决定去 Intel 英特尔工作
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I went to work for Intel and was in the computer industry,
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and three months into that, I fell in love with something else.
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我在从事计算机行业,3 个月后
我爱上另一个东西,我发现我选错了行业
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I said, "I made the wrong career choice here,"
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and I fell in love with brains.
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而我爱上了大脑
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This is not a real brain.
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这不是真的大脑, 这是一张大脑的图画
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This is a picture of one, a line drawing.
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02:16
And I don't remember exactly how it happened,
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但我不太记得是怎么发生的
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but I have one recollection, which was pretty strong in my mind.
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但我还记得一段挺强烈的记忆
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In September of 1979,
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1979 年 9 月,Scientific America(美国科学杂志)发表了
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Scientific American came out with a single-topic issue about the brain.
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一本关于大脑研究的特刊
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It was one of their best issues ever.
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那是该杂志中最好的一期。那特刊讨论脑细胞
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They talked about the neuron, development, disease, vision
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的发展,疾病,视觉和其它
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and all the things you might want to know about brains.
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关于大脑的课题。真的是很棒的
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It was really quite impressive.
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One might've had the impression we knew a lot about brains.
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你可能认为我们对大脑很了解
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But the last article in that issue was written by Francis Crick of DNA fame.
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特邗里最后有 Francis Crick 写有关 DNA 的文章
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Today is, I think, the 50th anniversary of the discovery of DNA.
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今天应该是发现 DNA 的 50 周年
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And he wrote a story basically saying, this is all well and good,
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他(Francis Crick)写了一段,
大概意思是,
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but you know, we don't know diddly squat about brains,
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我们基本上对大脑一点都不认识
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and no one has a clue how they work,
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而没有人知道它怎么运作
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so don't believe what anyone tells you.
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所以别随便相信别人说的(以为我们很了了解大脑)
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This is a quote from that article, he says:
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他在文章里提到 ”我们现在显著地缺少的是 。。。“
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"What is conspicuously lacking" -- he's a very proper British gentleman --
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他是一个很传统的英国绅士, ”现在显著地缺少的是,
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"What is conspicuously lacking is a broad framework of ideas
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一个可以融入对大脑已经的不同想法和不同解释方式的框架“
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in which to interpret these different approaches."
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03:07
I thought the word "framework" was great.
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我认为’框架‘这词用的很好
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He didn't say we didn't have a theory.
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他甚至没有提到’理论‘,他说,
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He says we don't even know how to begin to think about it.
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我们根本不知道怎么开始去想
我们连框架都没有
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We don't even have a framework.
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我们正处于 Thomas Kuhn 所说的规范前时期
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We are in the pre-paradigm days, if you want to use Thomas Kuhn.
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后来我就爱上大脑研究了,我想,
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So I fell in love with this.
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I said, look: We have all this knowledge about brains -- how hard can it be?
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我们有这么多关于大脑的知识,能有多难呢?
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It's something we can work on in my lifetime; I could make a difference.
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后来这成为我毕生的工作, 我觉得我可以有所贡献,
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So I tried to get out of the computer business, into the brain business.
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我尝试离开计算机行业而专注大脑研究
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First, I went to MIT, the AI lab was there.
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首先我去了 MIT(麻省理工学院)的人工智能研究院,
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I said, I want to build intelligent machines too,
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我想,我也想设计和制作聪明的机器,
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but I want to study how brains work first.
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但我的想法是先研究大脑怎么运作
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And they said, "Oh, you don't need to do that.
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而他们说,呃,你不需要这样做
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You're just going to program computers, that's all.
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我们只需要计算机编程
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I said, you really ought to study brains.
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而我说,不,你应该先研究大脑。 他们说,呃,你知道吗,
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They said, "No, you're wrong."
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I said, "No, you're wrong," and I didn't get in.
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你错了。而我说,不,你们错了,最后我没被取录
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I was a little disappointed -- pretty young --
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但我真的有点失望,那时候年轻,但我再尝试
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but I went back again a few years later,
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几年后在加州的 Berkley(加州大学伯克利分校)
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this time in California, and I went to Berkeley.
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这次我尝试去学习生物研究方面
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And I said, I'll go in from the biological side.
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So I got in the PhD program in biophysics.
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我开始攻读生物物理博士课程
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I was like, I'm studying brains now. Well, I want to study theory.
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我在学习大脑了,而我想学理论
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They said, "You can't study theory about brains.
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而他们说,不,你不可以学大脑的理论
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You can't get funded for that.
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这是不可以的,你不会拿到研究经费
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And as a graduate student, you can't do that."
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而作为研究生,没有研究经费是不可以的。我的天
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So I said, oh my gosh.
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I was depressed; I said, but I can make a difference in this field.
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我很沮丧但我还坚信我可以在这一研究领域作出贡献
最后我回到计算机行业
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I went back in the computer industry
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and said, I'll have to work here for a while.
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对自己说,我先工作,做些有意义的
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That's when I designed all those computer products.
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就是那时候我设计了你们认识的一系列的微型电子产品
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I said, I want to do this for four years, make some money,
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我计划干四年,挣点钱,
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I was having a family, and I would mature a bit,
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组织自己的家庭,我可能会成熟点
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and maybe the business of neuroscience would mature a bit.
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也可能那时候神经系统科学也会成熟一点了
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Well, it took longer than four years. It's been about 16 years.
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结果干了比四年长多了,已经大概十六年
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But I'm doing it now, and I'm going to tell you about it.
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但我终于做到了,而我现在告诉你们
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So why should we have a good brain theory?
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那为什么我们需要有一个好的大脑理论呢?
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Well, there's lots of reasons people do science.
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嗯, 科学研究有很多目的
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The most basic one is, people like to know things.
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其中比较简单的是,我们喜欢了解各种的事物
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We're curious, and we go out and get knowledge.
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我们好奇,而我们渴求知识
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Why do we study ants? It's interesting.
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我们为什么研究蚂蚁?因为这个有趣
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Maybe we'll learn something useful, but it's interesting and fascinating.
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可能我们从中会学到一些很有用的知识,但本质上这研究很有趣
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But sometimes a science has other attributes
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有时候,科学有其他本质
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which makes it really interesting.
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令它很有趣
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Sometimes a science will tell something about ourselves;
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有时候科学会告诉我们一些关于我们自己的,
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it'll tell us who we are.
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告诉我们,我们到底是什么
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Evolution did this and Copernicus did this,
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这很罕有的,例如,进化论,哥白尼(Copernicus)
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where we have a new understanding of who we are.
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都让我们对自身有新一层的理解
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And after all, we are our brains. My brain is talking to your brain.
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毕竟,我们就是我们的大脑。我的大脑正在跟你们的大脑沟通
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Our bodies are hanging along for the ride,
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我们的身体只是随行的部分,但我的大脑正在跟你们的大脑沟通
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but my brain is talking to your brain.
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And if we want to understand who we are and how we feel and perceive,
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如果我们想了解我们是什么和我们怎么去感受和察觉
我们就先要明白大脑是什么
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we need to understand brains.
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Another thing is sometimes science leads to big societal benefits, technologies,
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又有时候科学会
让我们有新的科技和为社会带来很大好处
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or businesses or whatever.
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甚至商业,和其它。 而大脑科学研究也会有这些好处
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This is one, too, because when we understand how brains work,
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因为如果我们明白了大脑怎么运作,我们就可以
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we'll be able to build intelligent machines.
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制作有智能的机器,而这总体来说是好的
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That's a good thing on the whole,
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with tremendous benefits to society,
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而且对社会带来好处
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just like a fundamental technology.
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就好像很基本的科技一样
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So why don't we have a good theory of brains?
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那为什么我们没有一个好的大脑理论?
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People have been working on it for 100 years.
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虽然人们已经研究了大概100多年了
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Let's first take a look at what normal science looks like.
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我们先看看一般的科学研究是怎么进行的
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This is normal science.
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这是一般的科学
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Normal science is a nice balance between theory and experimentalists.
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一般的科学是平衡于理论和实验的
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The theorist guy says, "I think this is what's going on,"
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比方说,理论家先认为是这样的,
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the experimentalist says, "You're wrong."
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而实验家说,不,你错了
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It goes back and forth, this works in physics, this in geology.
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反复的验证,你们明白吗?
物理学是这样研究的,地质学也是这样研究的,但这是一般的科学
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But if this is normal science, what does neuroscience look like?
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那神经系统科学研究又怎样进行呢?我们看看
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This is what neuroscience looks like.
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我们有巨多的数据,包括:解剖学的,生理学的和行为学的
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We have this mountain of data,
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which is anatomy, physiology and behavior.
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You can't imagine how much detail we know about brains.
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你们很难想象我们已经有多少数据
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There were 28,000 people who went to the neuroscience conference this year,
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今年的神经系统科学研讨会我们有 28000 个专家参与
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and every one of them is doing research in brains.
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而每一个都在研究大脑
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A lot of data, but no theory.
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很多的数据,但没有理论,可能有一点点,就像最上边的那小的可怜的箱子
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There's a little wimpy box on top there.
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And theory has not played a role in any sort of grand way
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而在神经系统科学研究领域当中,理论从没有像它们在一般科学里的主导地位
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in the neurosciences.
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And it's a real shame.
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这是很可惜的,为什么会这样呢?
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Now, why has this come about?
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If you ask neuroscientists why is this the state of affairs,
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如果你问神经系统科学专家,为什么情况会这样?
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first, they'll admit it.
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他们会同意情况是这样,但如果你问为什么,他们会说
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But if you ask them, they say,
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there's various reasons we don't have a good brain theory.
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有很多原因导致我们没有一个好的大脑理论
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Some say we still don't have enough data,
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有些专家会说,我们还没有足够的数据
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we need more information, there's all these things we don't know.
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我们要拿更多的数据,我们还有很多不明白的
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Well, I just told you there's data coming out of your ears.
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嗯, 我刚刚告诉过你们了
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We have so much information, we don't even know how to organize it.
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我们有太多的数据但不知道怎么去组织
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What good is more going to do?
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那就算有更多的数据又有何用?
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Maybe we'll be lucky and discover some magic thing, but I don't think so.
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可能我们会幸运的突然发现谜底,但我不认为会发生
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This is a symptom of the fact that we just don't have a theory.
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种种证据都在说明我们根本没有一个好的理论
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We don't need more data, we need a good theory.
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我们不需要更多的数据,我们只需要一个好的理论
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Another one is sometimes people say,
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另一些专家会说,大脑太复杂了
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"Brains are so complex, it'll take another 50 years."
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这研究会再花 50 年
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I even think Chris said something like this yesterday, something like,
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我想 Chris 昨天也说过类似的话
我不肯定 Chris 你所说的内容,但大概是,
07:04
it's one of the most complicated things in the universe.
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(大脑研究)是宇宙中最复杂的。我不认同
07:07
That's not true -- you're more complicated than your brain.
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你们都比大脑复杂,你们都有大脑
07:09
You've got a brain.
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而且,大脑只是看似复杂,
07:11
And although the brain looks very complicated,
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所以事物在弄明白前都是复杂的
07:13
things look complicated until you understand them.
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07:15
That's always been the case.
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我们可以说,
07:16
So we can say, my neocortex, the part of the brain I'm interested in,
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新大脑皮层(neocortex),大脑里面我们最感兴趣的部分,有 300 亿细胞
07:20
has 30 billion cells.
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07:21
But, you know what? It's very, very regular.
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但你们知道吗,它(新大脑皮层)非常有规律
07:23
In fact, it looks like it's the same thing repeated over and over again.
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实际上,它就像同样的组织不停的重覆
07:27
It's not as complex as it looks. That's not the issue.
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它不像想象中复杂,那不是问题
07:29
Some people say, brains can't understand brains.
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有些人说,大脑不能明白大脑
07:32
Very Zen-like. Woo.
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很玄,喔
07:34
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:36
You know, it sounds good, but why? I mean, what's the point?
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听起来挺好,但有什么用?
07:39
It's just a bunch of cells. You understand your liver.
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它只是一堆细胞,就好像你了解你的肝脏
07:41
It's got a lot of cells in it too, right?
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肝脏也是一堆细胞是吗
07:43
So, you know, I don't think there's anything to that.
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所以,我不见得大脑有什么分别的
07:46
And finally, some people say,
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还有一些人说
07:48
"I don't feel like a bunch of cells -- I'm conscious.
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“我不认为自己只是一堆细胞,我是神志清醒的
07:51
I've got this experience, I'm in the world.
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我又很多经历,我处在一世界,明白不,
07:53
I can't be just a bunch of cells."
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我不可能只是一堆细胞”
07:55
Well, people used to believe there was a life force to be living,
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人们曾经相信有‘生命力’
07:58
and we now know that's really not true at all.
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我们现在已经知道那根本不正确
08:01
And there's really no evidence,
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而且根本就没有证据证明,除了人类之外
08:03
other than that people just disbelieve that cells can do what they do.
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只是不相信一堆细胞能做人能做的事
08:06
So some people have fallen into the pit of metaphysical dualism,
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有些人沉迷于形而上学唯物论
08:09
some really smart people, too, but we can reject all that.
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包括一些很聪明的人,但我们可以全否定
08:12
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
不,我会告诉你们另外的
08:15
No, there's something else,
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08:16
something really fundamental, and it is:
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很基础很根本的
08:19
another reason why we don't have a good brain theory
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原因导致我们无法拥有一个好的大脑理论
08:21
is because we have an intuitive, strongly held but incorrect assumption
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因为我们有很根深蒂固
但错误的假设,这阻止了我们去寻找答案
08:27
that has prevented us from seeing the answer.
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08:29
There's something we believe that just, it's obvious, but it's wrong.
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我们相信这个明显的假设,但它是错的
08:32
Now, there's a history of this in science and before I tell you what it is,
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这在科学研究中是有先例的,但在说那之前,
08:36
I'll tell you about the history of it in science.
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我先告诉你一些科学的历史
08:38
Look at other scientific revolutions --
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看看其它的科学革命
08:40
the solar system, that's Copernicus,
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比方说哥白尼的天体运行学说
08:42
Darwin's evolution, and tectonic plates, that's Wegener.
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达尔文的进化论,和魏格纳的大陆漂移学说
它们跟大脑理论有很多共同点
08:46
They all have a lot in common with brain science.
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08:48
First, they had a lot of unexplained data. A lot of it.
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第一,很多无法解析的数据
08:51
But it got more manageable once they had a theory.
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但有理论后就变的容易处理了
08:53
The best minds were stumped -- really smart people.
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那时候众多很聪明的学者都被困惑
08:56
We're not smarter now than they were then;
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我们并不比他们聪明,
08:58
it just turns out it's really hard to think of things,
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只是想出理论是很困难的,
09:01
but once you've thought of them, it's easy to understand.
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但一想到了,就很容易明白
09:03
My daughters understood these three theories,
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我的女儿都明白那三个理论
的大概,在幼儿园的时候就明白
09:06
in their basic framework, in kindergarten.
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09:08
It's not that hard -- here's the apple, here's the orange,
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所以并不是那么困难,像这有一苹果,这一橘子,
09:11
the Earth goes around, that kind of stuff.
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地球围着走,等等
09:14
Another thing is the answer was there all along,
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还有,答案早就存在
09:16
but we kind of ignored it because of this obvious thing.
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我们只是忽视了而已
09:19
It was an intuitive, strongly held belief that was wrong.
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第二,有很根深蒂固但错的想法
09:22
In the case of the solar system,
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天体运行学的比方,地球在自转
09:24
the idea that the Earth is spinning,
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09:25
the surface is going a thousand miles an hour,
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地球表面在以千多英里在移动,
09:28
and it's going through the solar system at a million miles an hour --
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同时地球在太阳系里的轨道以百万多英里运行
09:31
this is lunacy; we all know the Earth isn't moving.
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疯了吧,我们都知道地球不在动
09:33
Do you feel like you're moving a thousand miles an hour?
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你感觉到我们在以千多英里移动吗?
肯定没有,还有人说
09:36
If you said Earth was spinning around in space and was huge --
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它(地球)在太空里自转而它很大
09:39
they would lock you up, that's what they did back then.
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会把你锁上,他们当时是这样想的
(笑声)
09:42
So it was intuitive and obvious. Now, what about evolution?
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这是显而易见的,我们再看看进化论
09:45
Evolution, same thing.
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我们教孩子圣经里面说
09:46
We taught our kids the Bible says God created all these species,
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上帝创造万物,猫是猫,狗是狗
09:49
cats are cats; dogs are dogs; people are people; plants are plants;
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人是人,植物是植物,他们都不会变的
09:52
they don't change.
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诺亚(Noah) 把他们都放进方舟,等等
09:54
Noah put them on the ark in that order, blah, blah.
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09:56
The fact is, if you believe in evolution, we all have a common ancestor.
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事实上,如果你相信进化论,我们都有共同的祖先,
10:00
We all have a common ancestor with the plant in the lobby!
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我们跟大厅里的植物也有共同的祖先
10:03
This is what evolution tells us. And it's true. It's kind of unbelievable.
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进化论是这样说的,而这是这真的,虽然有点难以置信,
10:07
And the same thing about tectonic plates.
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大陆漂移学说也一样,
10:09
All the mountains and the continents
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所有高山和大洲都在浮动
10:11
are kind of floating around on top of the Earth.
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于地球上,听起来好像不合情理
10:14
It doesn't make any sense.
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10:15
So what is the intuitive, but incorrect assumption,
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那什么是直觉但错的假设
10:19
that's kept us from understanding brains?
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阻止我们理解大脑呢?
10:21
I'll tell you. It'll seem obvious that it's correct. That's the point.
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我现在就告诉你们,而且很明显是正确的,
那才是重点对吗?然后我会提出论据,
10:25
Then I'll make an argument why you're incorrect on the other assumption.
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为什么其它的假设是错误的
10:28
The intuitive but obvious thing is:
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直觉告诉我们智慧
10:30
somehow, intelligence is defined by behavior;
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界定于行为
10:32
we're intelligent because of how we do things
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我们聪明因为我们做事的方法
10:35
and how we behave intelligently.
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和我们行为上表现聪明,我会告诉你们这想法是错的
10:36
And I'm going to tell you that's wrong.
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10:38
Intelligence is defined by prediction.
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智慧应该界定于推测能力
10:40
I'm going to work you through this in a few slides,
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我会用这几张笔记
10:43
and give you an example of what this means.
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给你们看看一例子, 这是一系统,
10:45
Here's a system.
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10:46
Engineers and scientists like to look at systems like this.
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工程师喜欢看系统,科学家也喜欢,
10:49
They say, we have a thing in a box. We have its inputs and outputs.
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我们有一箱子,我们有输入和输出
10:52
The AI people said, the thing in the box is a programmable computer,
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人工智能专家会说,那箱子里面是可编程计算机
10:56
because it's equivalent to a brain.
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因为它等同大脑,而我们输入数据,
10:57
We'll feed it some inputs and get it to do something, have some behavior.
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我们会得到输出的行为
艾伦.图灵(Alan Turing)的图灵测试说,
11:01
Alan Turing defined the Turing test, which essentially says,
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如果行为跟人类接近就是有智慧的
11:04
we'll know if something's intelligent if it behaves identical to a human --
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这是测度智慧的行为指标,
11:07
a behavioral metric of what intelligence is
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11:09
that has stuck in our minds for a long time.
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而我们被这想法困住了很长时间
11:12
Reality, though -- I call it real intelligence.
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实际上,我称这为真正智慧,
11:14
Real intelligence is built on something else.
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真正智慧是建筑于其它层面上的
11:16
We experience the world through a sequence of patterns,
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我们通过一系列的模式来感受世界环境,然后贮存,
11:19
and we store them, and we recall them.
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再回想,当我们回想时,我们会比较和对应
11:22
When we recall them, we match them up against reality,
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实际情况,就这样我们不断的推测
11:24
and we're making predictions all the time.
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11:26
It's an internal metric; there's an internal metric about us,
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这是永恒的指标,一个测度我们对世界环境了解的指标和
11:29
saying, do we understand the world, am I making predictions, and so on.
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我是否在推测环境,等等
11:33
You're all being intelligent now, but you're not doing anything.
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你们都在表现有智慧会的行为中,虽然你们什么对没有做
可能你在搔痒,可能在挖鼻子 ,
11:36
Maybe you're scratching yourself, but you're not doing anything.
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但没有在做什么特别的,
11:39
But you're being intelligent; you're understanding what I'm saying.
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但你们还是有理性有智慧的,你们明白我在说什么,
11:42
Because you're intelligent and you speak English,
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因为你们都有智慧,而你们都会英语,
11:44
you know the word at the end of this
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你们都知道我说这句 --
11:46
sentence.
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11:47
The word came to you; you make these predictions all the time.
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你们都猜到那字,因为你们不断的推测,
11:50
What I'm saying is,
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而我想说,
11:52
the internal prediction is the output in the neocortex,
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新大脑皮层的输出就是不断的推测,
推测导致有理性有智慧的行为
11:55
and somehow, prediction leads to intelligent behavior.
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11:57
Here's how that happens:
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而过程是这样的,我们从大脑里没有智慧的部分开始,
11:59
Let's start with a non-intelligent brain.
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我认为我们脑里面有部分是没有智慧的,是古老的,
12:01
I'll argue a non-intelligent brain, we'll call it an old brain.
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12:04
And we'll say it's a non-mammal, like a reptile,
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它甚至不属于哺乳类的,是属于爬行类年代的,
12:06
say, an alligator; we have an alligator.
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比方说,鳄鱼,
12:08
And the alligator has some very sophisticated senses.
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鳄鱼有很复杂强大的感官系统,
12:12
It's got good eyes and ears and touch senses and so on,
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有很好的眼睛,耳朵,触觉,等等
12:15
a mouth and a nose.
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还有口和鼻, 也有很复杂的行为,
12:17
It has very complex behavior.
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12:19
It can run and hide. It has fears and emotions. It can eat you.
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会走会躲,会害怕会有情绪,会吃人,
12:23
It can attack. It can do all kinds of stuff.
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会攻击, 等等
12:27
But we don't consider the alligator very intelligent,
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但我们不会视鳄鱼为很有智慧,不像人类的智慧,
12:30
not in a human sort of way.
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12:31
But it has all this complex behavior already.
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虽然它已拥有很复杂的行为,
12:34
Now in evolution, what happened?
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进化论里怎么说的?
12:36
First thing that happened in evolution with mammals
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哺乳类的进化,
12:38
is we started to develop a thing called the neocortex.
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从开发新大脑皮层开始,
12:41
I'm going to represent the neocortex by this box on top of the old brain.
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我们用这个来代表新大脑皮层,
这个在(老)小脑上面的箱子,
12:45
Neocortex means "new layer." It's a new layer on top of your brain.
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新大脑皮层的解释是大脑上面的新一层,
12:48
It's the wrinkly thing on the top of your head
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它看上去是皱褶着的
12:50
that got wrinkly because it got shoved in there and doesn't fit.
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因为它被挤进去而没有空间了,
12:53
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:55
Literally, it's about the size of a table napkin
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是真的!它大概是一张台布的大小
12:57
and doesn't fit, so it's wrinkly.
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而放不下,所以就皱褶起来了,现在我们看看我画 的这个,
12:58
Now, look at how I've drawn this.
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13:00
The old brain is still there.
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(旧)小脑还在这里,那鳄鱼的脑袋还在,
13:02
You still have that alligator brain. You do. It's your emotional brain.
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你们都有,是你脑里情绪和感官的部分
13:05
It's all those gut reactions you have.
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它负责所有直觉,本能反应,
13:08
On top of it, we have this memory system called the neocortex.
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在它上面,是我们说的新大脑皮层,
13:11
And the memory system is sitting over the sensory part of the brain.
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它是包围着脑里感官系统的记忆系统,
13:16
So as the sensory input comes in and feeds from the old brain,
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感官输入先进小脑,
13:19
it also goes up into the neocortex.
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再走上新大脑皮层,而新大脑皮层只是记忆着,
13:21
And the neocortex is just memorizing.
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13:23
It's sitting there saying, I'm going to memorize all the things going on:
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它记着所以发生的事情,
13:26
where I've been, people I've seen, things I've heard, and so on.
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像去了哪里,见过的人,听过的事,等等,
13:29
And in the future, when it sees something similar to that again,
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在以后见到类似的情况,
13:33
in a similar environment, or the exact same environment,
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类似的环境,或一样的环境,
13:35
it'll start playing it back: "Oh, I've been here before,"
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它会把记忆‘重播’,
就会发现以前来过这地方,而如果你曾经来过这里,
13:39
and when you were here before, this happened next.
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你记得什么会发生,让你可以猜测将来
13:41
It allows you to predict the future.
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13:43
It literally feeds back the signals into your brain;
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就好象,外界的信号传入大脑,
13:47
they'll let you see what's going to happen next,
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让你看到什么将会发生,
13:49
will let you hear the word "sentence" before I said it.
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就像刚才你们会知道我准备会说的词
13:52
And it's this feeding back into the old brain
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正是这个信号的传递回小脑
13:55
that will allow you to make more intelligent decisions.
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让你们去作出很理性的决定
13:57
This is the most important slide of my talk, so I'll dwell on it a little.
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这是我演说里最重要的一点,
14:01
And all the time you say, "Oh, I can predict things,"
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所以,你们不断的在猜测食物,
14:04
so if you're a rat and you go through a maze, and you learn the maze,
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如果我们像白老鼠一样在走迷宫,那就学习那个迷宫,
14:08
next time you're in one, you have the same behavior.
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下次再走,行为一样,
14:10
But suddenly, you're smarter; you say, "I recognize this maze,
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但会变聪明了,
因为会认得那迷宫,知道怎么走,
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I know which way to go; I've been here before; I can envision the future."
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曾经走过,可以预想,
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That's what it's doing.
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This is true for all mammals --
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人类和其他哺乳类动物都会这样,
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in humans, it got a lot worse.
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人类的情况会更极端,
14:23
Humans actually developed the front of the neocortex,
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我们会发展新大脑皮层的前端,
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called the anterior part of the neocortex.
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然后大自然会弄一小把戏
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And nature did a little trick.
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It copied the posterior, the back part, which is sensory,
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将新大脑皮层后端,感官的部分,拷贝
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and put it in the front.
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到前端
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Humans uniquely have the same mechanism on the front,
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人类大脑前端有独特的构造,跟后端一样
14:36
but we use it for motor control.
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但我们用来控制运动
14:37
So we're now able to do very sophisticated motor planning, things like that.
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所以我们可以进行很复杂的计划运动,
14:41
I don't have time to explain, but to understand how a brain works,
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这个我们先不说,要理解大脑怎么运作,
14:44
you have to understand how the first part of the mammalian neocortex works,
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我们先了解第一代哺乳类动物新大脑皮层的运作,
和怎么去贮存资料样式和作出猜测
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how it is we store patterns and make predictions.
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我先列几个猜测的例子
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Let me give you a few examples of predictions.
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I already said the word "sentence."
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我已说过句子了,在音乐中,
14:54
In music, if you've heard a song before,
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如果你听过一首歌,如果你听过吉尔(Jill)唱歌,
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when you hear it, the next note pops into your head already --
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当她唱的时候,下一个音符就会在你脑海中了,
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you anticipate it.
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你会有预感,如果是一张音乐专辑,
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With an album, at the end of a song, the next song pops into your head.
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听完一首歌,下一首已在你脑海出现,
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It happens all the time, you make predictions.
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这情况经常发生,你在不断的猜测,
15:07
I have this thing called the "altered door" thought experiment.
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我有一个用门的实验,
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It says, you have a door at home;
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是这样的,你家有一门,
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when you're here, I'm changing it --
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当你在这里的时候,我去把它改了,我们有一个人,
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I've got a guy back at your house right now, moving the door around,
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现在在你家,把门改过来,
15:18
moving your doorknob over two inches.
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他会把你的门把手移 2 寸,
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When you go home tonight, you'll put your hand out, reach for the doorknob,
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当你今晚回家,找把手开门,
你会发现把手
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notice it's in the wrong spot
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在错的位置,你会感觉,有点问题,
15:25
and go, "Whoa, something happened."
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It may take a second, but something happened.
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可能等一秒才发现问题,但感觉到不对劲,
15:29
I can change your doorknob in other ways --
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我也可以用别的方法改变门把手,
15:31
make it larger, smaller, change its brass to silver, make it a lever,
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弄大一点或小一点,从铜改为银的,
也可以把门改了,改颜色,
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I can change the door; put colors on, put windows in.
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加玻璃,有很多方法去改,
15:36
I can change a thousand things about your door
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而就在你开门的两秒钟,
15:39
and in the two seconds you take to open it,
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你会发现不对劲,
15:41
you'll notice something has changed.
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15:42
Now, the engineering approach, the AI approach to this,
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那传统的工程或人工智能对这问题的方法是,
15:45
is to build a door database with all the door attributes.
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起一个门的数据库,有所以关于门的参数,
15:48
And as you go up to the door, we check them off one at time:
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当你到了门前,便进数据库一个一个比较,
15:51
door, door, color ...
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所以样式的门,不同颜色的,
15:52
We don't do that. Your brain doesn't do that.
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我们人类肯定不会这样做的,你们的大脑不会这样运作,
15:54
Your brain is making constant predictions all the time
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你的大脑会不停的作出猜测,
15:57
about what will happen in your environment.
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对你附近环境有可能会发生的作出猜测,
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As I put my hand on this table, I expect to feel it stop.
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当我把手放着桌上,我预料手会停在上面,
16:01
When I walk, every step, if I missed it by an eighth of an inch,
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当我走路的时候,每一步,如果只是差了八分之一寸,
16:04
I'll know something has changed.
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我会知道有情况改变,
16:06
You're constantly making predictions about your environment.
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你们不停的对身边环境作出猜测,
16:09
I'll talk about vision, briefly.
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让我们看看视觉系统,这是一张女人的图片,
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This is a picture of a woman.
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16:12
When we look at people, our eyes saccade over two to three times a second.
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当你看人的时候,你的眼神会停留,
大概两到三秒,
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We're not aware of it, but our eyes are always moving.
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你应该意识不到,但你的眼球不停在动,
所以当你看一个人的脸,
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When we look at a face, we typically go from eye to eye to nose to mouth.
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你通常会从看着眼到鼻到口,
16:21
When your eye moves from eye to eye,
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如果你在看眼的位置的时候,
16:23
if there was something else there like a nose,
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出现像鼻子的东西,
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you'd see a nose where an eye is supposed to be and go, "Oh, shit!"
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你看见鼻子长在眼睛的地方,
你会吓一跳
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(Laughter)
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"There's something wrong about this person."
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(笑声)
这个人有点问题,
16:33
That's because you're making a prediction.
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这都以为你在推测,
16:35
It's not like you just look over and say, "What am I seeing? A nose? OK."
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不会是因为你在看东西而在想着到底是什么,
你不会预料看到一鼻子在眼睛的位置,
16:38
No, you have an expectation of what you're going to see.
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(笑声)
16:41
Every single moment.
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现在我们看看我们怎样测试智慧的,
16:42
And finally, let's think about how we test intelligence.
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16:45
We test it by prediction: What is the next word in this ...?
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我们用猜测能力来测试的,下一个词是什么?
16:48
This is to this as this is to this. What is the next number in this sentence?
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这个配这个,那个配那个,下一个数是什么?
16:51
Here's three visions of an object. What's the fourth one?
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这是这东西的三个看法,
第四个是什么?我们就是这样测试猜测能力
16:54
That's how we test it. It's all about prediction.
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16:57
So what is the recipe for brain theory?
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那什么是大脑理论的秘诀?
17:00
First of all, we have to have the right framework.
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第一,我们需要合适的框架,
17:02
And the framework is a memory framework,
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一个记忆的框架,
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not a computational or behavior framework,
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不是计算的或行为的框架,是一个记忆的框架,
17:06
it's a memory framework.
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17:07
How do you store and recall these sequences of patterns?
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你怎么贮存和回忆有关联的样式组合?这是时间空间样式,
17:10
It's spatiotemporal patterns.
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17:11
Then, if in that framework, you take a bunch of theoreticians --
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然后,如果在框架里,我们找一群理论研究者,
17:14
biologists generally are not good theoreticians.
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生物学者一般不是好的理论学者,
不一定,但历史里没有好的生物理论,
17:17
Not always, but generally, there's not a good history of theory in biology.
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17:20
I've found the best people to work with are physicists,
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我觉得物理学者,
17:23
engineers and mathematicians,
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工程师和数学家都适合,他们想法都很规则很系统的,
17:24
who tend to think algorithmically.
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17:26
Then they have to learn the anatomy and the physiology.
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然后他们要学解剖学和生理学,
17:29
You have to make these theories very realistic in anatomical terms.
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我们需要让这理论非常的实在,从解剖学角度来看,
如果有人解释大脑理论时,
17:34
Anyone who tells you their theory about how the brain works
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17:37
and doesn't tell you exactly how it's working
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而不告诉你大脑里面怎么运作,
17:39
and how the wiring works --
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和大脑各部分的联系,那就不是真正的理论了
17:40
it's not a theory.
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17:41
And that's what we do at the Redwood Neuroscience Institute.
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而我们的研究院正是研究这方面的,
17:44
I'd love to tell you we're making fantastic progress in this thing,
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我很希望有更多的时间告诉你们最近的研究成果
17:48
and I expect to be back on this stage sometime in the not too distant future,
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我以后会再回来
在不久的将来,来告诉大家
17:51
to tell you about it.
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17:52
I'm really excited; this is not going to take 50 years.
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我真的很兴奋,这肯定不会花 50 年,
17:55
What will brain theory look like?
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那大脑理论像什么呢?
17:57
First of all, it's going to be about memory.
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首先,它会是一个关于记忆的理论,
17:59
Not like computer memory -- not at all like computer memory.
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不是计算机的记忆
18:02
It's very different.
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很不一样
18:03
It's a memory of very high-dimensional patterns,
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是多维样式的记忆,就像从你们眼睛输出的,
18:05
like the things that come from your eyes.
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18:07
It's also memory of sequences:
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它也会是很多组有关联记忆,
18:08
you cannot learn or recall anything outside of a sequence.
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你不会学习或回忆没有关联的东西,
18:11
A song must be heard in sequence over time,
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就像一首歌在时间上是有先后的记忆
18:14
and you must play it back in sequence over time.
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要回忆起来也是一连串的回忆,
18:16
And these sequences are auto-associatively recalled,
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这些关联记忆组群会在回忆时会自动联系连结,所以当我们看到,
18:19
so if I see something, I hear something, it reminds me of it,
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听到一些类似的东西,就会把记忆重播,
18:22
and it plays back automatically.
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18:23
It's an automatic playback.
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是自动的重播,最后输出是未来的猜测,
18:25
And prediction of future inputs is the desired output.
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18:27
And as I said, the theory must be biologically accurate,
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我们提过,这理论在生物学上合理,
18:30
it must be testable and you must be able to build it.
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能测试的,可推理出来的
18:32
If you don't build it, you don't understand it.
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如果你不推理出来,你不会明白,还有一张笔记,
18:35
One more slide.
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18:36
What is this going to result in?
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这研究结果有什么作用呢?我们真的会制造有智慧的机器?
18:39
Are we going to really build intelligent machines?
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这是肯定的,而会跟我们想像的不一样,
18:41
Absolutely. And it's going to be different than people think.
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我绝不怀疑,
18:45
No doubt that it's going to happen, in my mind.
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18:47
First of all, we're going to build this stuff out of silicon.
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首先,我们会用硅来制造,
18:51
The same techniques we use to build silicon computer memories,
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制造计算机内存的方法,
18:54
we can use here.
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我们可以用上,
18:55
But they're very different types of memories.
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但是将会是很不一样的记忆体,
18:57
And we'll attach these memories to sensors,
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我们会把感应器和这些记忆体连接上,
18:59
and the sensors will experience real-live, real-world data,
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感应器会接受真实环境的数据,
19:02
and learn about their environment.
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而这些机器会学习它们的环境,
19:03
Now, it's very unlikely the first things you'll see are like robots.
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一开始发展出来就像机器人的可能比较低,
19:07
Not that robots aren't useful; people can build robots.
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不是说机器人没有用处或我们制造不出来,
19:10
But the robotics part is the hardest part. That's old brain. That's really hard.
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但是机器人硬件是最难制造的,那像旧(小)脑,
19:13
The new brain is easier than the old brain.
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(新)大脑比小脑容易,
19:15
So first we'll do things that don't require a lot of robotics.
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所以刚开始我们会造一些不需要太多机器人硬件的,
19:18
So you're not going to see C-3PO.
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应该不会见到 C-3PO
19:21
You're going to see things more like intelligent cars
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你会见到比较多类似,智能车,
19:23
that really understand what traffic is, what driving is
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会理解交通情况和驾驶,
19:26
and have learned that cars with the blinkers on for half a minute
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和懂得比方说,有些车的转向显示灯亮了半分钟
19:29
probably aren't going to turn.
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应该不是真的想转向,
19:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
19:32
We can also do intelligent security systems.
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我们也可以制造智能保安系统
19:34
Anytime we're basically using our brain but not doing a lot of mechanics --
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任何需要很多大脑分析但不需要很多的机械的领域,
19:38
those are the things that will happen first.
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都会是在初期有发展的。
19:40
But ultimately, the world's the limit.
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但最终,会发展到各方面,
19:42
I don't know how this will turn out.
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我也不知道会发展成怎样,
19:44
I know a lot of people who invented the microprocessor.
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我认识很多发明微处理器的专家,
19:46
And if you talk to them,
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你如果问他们,那时候他们知道正在做很有意义的事,
19:48
they knew what they were doing was really significant,
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19:51
but they didn't really know what was going to happen.
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但也不知道会发展成什么,
19:53
They couldn't anticipate cell phones and the Internet
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他们也没有预计手机,互联网等等的发展,
19:56
and all this kind of stuff.
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19:58
They just knew like, "We're going to build calculators
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他们只知道,会制造计算机,
20:01
and traffic-light controllers.
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交通灯的控制器等等,但都感觉到是很重大的,
20:02
But it's going to be big!"
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20:03
In the same way, brain science and these memories
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同样地,大脑的研究和记忆体,
20:06
are going to be a very fundamental technology,
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将会成为很基本的科技,它将会在未来100年带领着
20:08
and it will lead to unbelievable changes in the next 100 years.
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一些很难想象的发展
20:12
And I'm most excited about how we're going to use them in science.
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而令我最兴奋的是我们怎样利用这科技,
20:15
So I think that's all my time -- I'm over,
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我想我已经超过限时了,我的演讲就在这
20:18
and I'm going to end my talk right there.
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