Our dangerous obsession with perfectionism is getting worse | Thomas Curran

Prevodilac: Ivana Krivokuća Lektor: Kristina Radosavljević

I'm a bit of a perfectionist.

Ja sam pomalo perfekcionista.

Now, how many times have you heard that one?

Koliko puta ste to čuli?

Over drinks, maybe, with friends, or perhaps with family at Thanksgiving.

Uz piće, možda, sa prijateljima, ili možda sa porodicom na Dan zahvalnosti.

It's everyone's favorite flaw,

To je svačija omiljena mana,

it's that now quite common response

to je taj sada prilično učestali odgovor

to the difficult, final question at job interviews:

na teško poslednje pitanje na intervjuu na posao:

"My biggest weakness?

„Moja najveća slaba tačka?

That's my perfectionism."

To je moj perfekcionizam.“

You see, for something that supposedly holds us back,

Vidite, za nešto što nas navodno sputava,

it's quite remarkable how many of us are quite happy to hold our hands up

prilično je neverovatno koliko mnogo nas rado priznaje

and say we're perfectionists.

da smo perfekcionisti.

But there's an interesting and serious point

Ali tu postoji jedna zanimljiva i ozbiljna stvar,

because our begrudging admiration for perfection is so pervasive

jer je naše zavidno divljenje prema savršenstvu toliko opšteprisutno

that we never really stop to question that concept in its own terms.

da nikada ne zastanemo da preispitamo šta taj koncept sam po sebi znači.

What does it say about us and our society

Šta govori o nama i našem društvu

that there is a kind of celebration in perfection?

to što postoji neka vrsta slavljenja savršenosti?

We tend to hold perfectionism up as an insignia of worth.

Skloni smo da perfekcionizam smatramo oznakom vrednosti.

The emblem of the successful.

Simbol uspešnih.

Yet, in my time studying perfectionism,

A ipak, dok sam izučavao perfekcionizam,

I've seen limited evidence that perfectionists are more successful.

nisam našao dovoljno dokaza da su perfekcionisti uspešniji.

Quite the contrary --

Naprotiv -

they feel discontented and dissatisfied

osećaju se nesrećno i nezadovoljno

amid a lingering sense that they're never quite perfect enough.

usred dugotrajnog utiska da nikada nisu dovoljno savršeni.

We know from clinician case reports

Znamo iz kliničkih izveštaja o slučajevima

that perfectionism conceals a host of psychological difficulties,

da perfekcionizam skriva niz psiholoških poteškoća,

including things like depression, anxiety, anorexia, bulimia

uključujući depresiju, anksioznost, anoreksiju, bulimiju,

and even suicide ideation.

pa čak i razmišljanje o samoubistvu.

And what's more worrying is that over the last 25 years,

Još više zabrinjava to da tokom poslednjih 25 godina

we have seen perfectionism rise at an alarming rate.

uočavamo da se učestalost perfekcionizma alarmantno povećava.

And at the same time,

Istovremeno

we have seen more mental illness among young people than ever before.

primećujemo više mentalnih bolesti među mladima nego ikada pre.

Rates of suicide in the US alone

Stopa samoubistava samo u SAD-u

increased by 25 percent across the last two decades.

povećana je za 25 procenata tokom poslednje dve decenije.

And we're beginning to see similar trends emerge across Canada,

Počinjemo da primećujemo da se slične tendencije javljaju u Kanadi,

and in my home country, the United Kingdom.

kao i u mojoj domovini, Ujedinjenom Kraljevstvu.

Now, our research is suggesting

Naše istraživanje ukazuje

that perfectionism is rising as society is changing.

da se perfekcionizam povećava kada se društvo menja.

And a changed society reflects a changed sense of personal identity

Izmenjeno društvo odražava promenjen osećaj ličnog identiteta

and, with it, differences in the way in which young people interact

i, usto, razlike u načinu na koji mladi komuniciraju

with each other and the world around them.

jedni sa drugima, kao i sa svetom oko sebe.

And there are some unique characteristics about our preeminent, market-based society

Postoje neke jedinstvene karakteristike

našeg nadmoćnog društva zasnovanog na tržištu

that include things like unrestricted choice

koje obuhvataju stvari poput neograničenog izbora

and personal freedom,

i lične slobode,

and these are characteristics that we feel are contributing

a to su karakteristike za koje smatramo da doprinose

to almost epidemic levels of this problem.

da ovaj problem poprimi skoro nivo epidemije.

So let me give you an example.

Daću vam primer.

Young people today are more preoccupied with the attainment of the perfect life

Mladi ljudi su danas više zaokupljeni dostizanjem savršenog života

and lifestyle.

i načina života,

In terms of their image, status and wealth.

u pogledu svog imidža, statusa i bogatstva.

Data from Pew show that young people

Podaci istraživačkog centra Pju pokazuju da mladi ljudi

born in the US in the late 1980s

rođeni u SAD-u kasnih 1980-ih godina

are 20 percent more likely to report being materially rich

20 posto češće navode sticanje materijalnog bogatstva

as among their most important life goals,

među svojim najbitnijim životnim ciljevima,

relative to their parents and their grandparents.

u odnosu na svoje roditelje i svoje babe i dete.

Young people also borrow more heavily than did older generations,

Mladi se takođe mnogo više zadužuju nego starije generacije,

and they spend a much greater proportion of their income on image goods

i troše mnogo veći deo prihoda na proizvode koji podržavaju njihov imidž

and status possessions.

i imovinu koja ukazuje na status.

These possessions, their lives and their lifestyles

Ova imovina, njihovi životi i stil života

are now displayed in vivid detail on the ubiquitous social media platforms

sada se prikazuju u živopisnim detaljima

na sveprisutnim platformama društvenih mreža

of Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat.

Instagrama, Fejsbuka, Snepčeta.

In this new visual culture,

U ovoj novoj vizuelnoj kulturi,

the appearance of perfection is far more important than the reality.

izgledati savršeno je mnogo važnije od stvarnosti.

If one side of the modern landscape

Ako je jedna strana moderne scene

that we have so lavishly furnished for young people

koju smo tako bogato uredili za mlade

is this idea that there's a perfectible life

ta ideja da postoji život koji se može usavršiti

and that there's a perfectible lifestyle,

i stil života koji se može usavršiti,

then the other is surely work.

onda je druga strana definitivno rad.

Nothing is out of reach for those who want it badly enough.

Ništa nije van domašaja za one koji nešto žele dovoljno snažno.

Or so we're told.

Ili nam bar tako govore.

This is the idea at the heart of the American dream.

To je ideja u srcu američkog sna.

Opportunity, meritocracy, the self-made person, hard work.

Prilika, meritokratija, osoba koja je sve sama stekla, naporan rad.

The notion that hard work always pays off.

Ideja da se naporan rad uvek isplati.

And above all, the idea that we're captains of our own destiny.

I iznad svega je ideja da smo kormilari sopstvene sudbine.

These ideas, they connect our wealth, our status

Ove ideje povezuju naše bogatstvo, naš status

and our image with our innate, personal value.

i naš imidž sa našim urođenim, ličnim vrednostima.

But it is, of course, complete fiction.

Ali to je, naravno, potpuna fikcija.

Because even if there were equality of opportunity,

Jer čak i da postoje jednake mogućnosti,

the idea that we are captains of our own destiny

ideja da smo kormilari svoje sudbine

disguises a much darker reality for young people

maskira mnogo mračniju stvarnost za mlade ljude,

that they are subject to an almost ongoing economic tribunal.

da su skoro neprekidno potčinjeni ekonomskom sudu.

Metrics, rankings, lead tables

Metrički pokazatelji, rang-liste i tabele

have emerged as the yardsticks for which merit can be quantified

pojavili su se kao merila po kojima se zasluga može kvantifikovati

and used to sort young people into schools, classes and colleges.

i koriste se za sortiranje mladih u škole, razrede i fakultete.

Education is the first arena

Obrazovanje je prva arena

where measurement is so publicly played out

gde se merenje javno odigrava

and where metrics are being used

i gde se metrički pokazatelji koriste

as a tool to improve standards and performance.

kao sredstvo za poboljšanje standarda i učinka.

And it starts young.

Počinje u ranom uzrastu.

Young people in America's big city high schools

Mladi ljudi u srednjim školama velikih gradova u Americi

take some 112 mandatory standardized tests

polažu nekih 112 obaveznih standardizovanih testova

between prekindergarten and the end of 12th grade.

od vrtića do kraja 12. razreda.

No wonder young people report a strong need to strive,

Nije čudno da mladi iskazuju snažnu potrebu da se bore,

perform and achieve at the center of modern life.

postignu i ostvare u središtu savremenog života.

They've been conditioned to define themselves

Uslovljeni su da definišu sebe

in the strict and narrow terms of grades, percentiles and lead tables.

u strogom i uskom pogledu ocena, percentila i rang-lista.

This is a society that preys on their insecurities.

Ovo je društvo koje vreba njihove nesigurnosti.

Insecurities about how they are performing

Nesigurnosti vezane za njihovo postignuće

and how they are appearing to other people.

i utisak koji ostavljaju na druge.

This is a society that amplifies their imperfections.

To je društvo koje naglašava njihove nesavršenosti.

Every flaw, every unforeseen setback

Svaka greška, svaki nepredviđeni zastoj

increases a need to perform more perfectly next time, or else,

povećava potrebu za savršenijim postignućem sledeći put, inače,

bluntly, you're a failure.

iskreno, promašaj si.

That feeling of being flawed and deficient is especially pervasive --

Taj osećaj manjkavosti i nepotpunosti je naročito sveprisutan -

just talk to young people.

samo popričajte sa mladima.

"How should I look, how should I behave?"

„Kako treba da izgledam, kako da se ponašam?“

"I should look like that model,

„Treba da izgledam kao taj model,

I should have as many followers as that Instagram influencer,

treba da imam pratilaca kao i taj popularni lik na Instagramu,

I must do better in school."

moram da budem bolji u školi.“

In my role as mentor to many young people,

U svojoj ulozi mentora mnogim mladim ljudima,

I see these lived effects of perfectionism firsthand.

vidim ove opipljive posledice perfekcionizma iz prve ruke.

And one student sticks out in my mind very vividly.

Jedan učenik mi se jasno ističe u glavi.

John, not his real name, was ambitious,

Džon - to nije njegovo pravo ime - je bio ambiciozan,

hardworking and diligent

vredan i marljiv,

and on the surface, he was exceptionally high-achieving,

i naizgled, imao je izuzetno visoko postignuće,

often getting first-class grades for his work.

često je dobijao najbolje ocene za svoj rad.

Yet, no matter how well John achieved,

A ipak, bez obzira na to koliko je Džon bio uspešan,

he always seemed to recast his successes as abject failures,

uvek se činilo da preinačava svoje uspehe u jadne neuspehe,

and in meetings with me,

i pri susretima sa mnom,

he would talk openly about how he'd let himself and others down.

otvoreno bi govorio o tome kako je izneverio sebe i druge.

John's justification was quite simple:

Džonovo opravdanje je bilo prilično jednostavno:

How could he be a success

kako on može da bude uspešan

when he was trying so much harder than other people

kada je ulagao mnogo više truda nego drugi ljudi,

just to attain the same outcomes?

da bi na kraju dobio iste rezultate?

See, John's perfectionism, his unrelenting work ethic,

Vidite, Džonov perfekcionizam i njegova neumorna radna etika

was only serving to expose what he saw as his inner weakness

samo su služili da razotkriju ono što je video kao svoju unutrašnju slabost

to himself and to others.

pred sobom i drugima.

Cases like John's speak to the harmfulness of perfectionism

Slučajevi kao što je Džonov govore o štetnosti perfekcionizma

as a way of being in the world.

kao načina bitisanja u svetu.

Contrary to popular belief,

Nasuprot popularnom verovanju,

perfectionism is never about perfecting things or perfecting tasks.

perfekcionizam se nikad ne odnosi na usavršavanje stvari ili zadataka.

It's not about striving for excellence.

Ne radi se o težnji ka izvrsnosti.

John's case highlights this vividly.

Džonov slučaj ovo jasno naglašava.

At its root, perfectionism is about perfecting the self.

U osnovi, perfekcionizam se odnosi na usavršavanje sebe.

Or, more precisely, perfecting an imperfect self.

Ili, preciznije, usavršavanje nesavršenog sebe.

And you can think about it like a mountain of achievement

Možete o tome razmišljati kao o planini dostignuća

that perfectionism leads us to imagine ourselves scaling.

na koju nas perfekcionizam navodi da zamislimo da se penjemo.

And we think to ourselves, "Once I've reached that summit,

Mislimo u sebi: „Kad stignem do tog vrha,

then people will see I'm not flawed, and I'll be worth something."

onda će ljudi videti da nisam pun nedostataka i vredeću nešto.“

But what perfectionism doesn't tell us

Ali perfekcionizam nam ne govori

is that soon after reaching that summit,

da ćemo ubrzo nakon dostizanja tog vrha

we will be called down again to the fresh lowlands of insecurity and shame,

ponovo biti pozvani dole na nove ravnice nesigurnosti i srama,

just to try and scale that peak again.

samo da bismo još jednom probali da se popnemo na taj vrh.

This is the cycle of self-defeat.

To je ciklus samoporažavanja.

In the pursuit of unattainable perfection, a perfectionist just cannot step off.

U potrazi za nedostižnim savršenstvom,

perfekcionista jednostavno ne može da odstupi.

And it's why it's so difficult to treat.

Zato ga je tako teško lečiti.

Now, we've known for decades and decades

Decenijama znamo

that perfectionism contributes to a host of psychological problems,

da perfekcionizam doprinosi nizu psiholoških problema,

but there was never a good way to measure it.

ali nikada nije postojao dobar način da se izmeri.

That was until the late 1980s

Bilo je tako sve do kraja 1980-ih

when two Canadians, Paul Hewitt and Gordon Flett,

kada su se dva Kanađana, Pol Hjuit i Gordon Flet,

came along and developed a self-report measure of perfectionism.

udružili i osmislili meru samoprocene perfekcionizma.

So that's right, folks, you can measure this,

Tako je, narode, možete ovo izmeriti,

and it essentially captures three core elements of perfectionism.

a suštinski obuhvata tri osnovna elementa perfekcionizma.

The first is self-oriented perfectionism,

Prvi je perfekcionizam usmeren na sebe,

the irrational desire to be perfect:

iracionalna želja da se bude savršen:

"I strive to be as perfect as I can be."

„Težim da budem što je moguće savršeniji.“

The second is socially prescribed perfectionism,

Drugi je društveno propisani perfekcionizam,

the sense that the social environment is excessively demanding:

osećaj da je socijalno okruženje preterano zahtevno:

"I feel that others are too demanding of me."

„Osećam da drugi previše zahtevaju od mene.“

And the third is other-oriented perfectionism,

Treći je perfekcionizam usmeren na druge,

the imposition of unrealistic standards on other people:

nametanje nerealnih standarda drugim ljudima:

"If I ask somebody to do something, I expect it to be done perfectly."

„Ako pitam nekog da nešto uradi, očekujem da to bude urađeno savršeno.“

Now, research shows that all three elements of perfectionism

Istraživanja pokazuju da su sva tri elementa perfekcionizma

associate with compromised mental health,

u vezi sa ugroženim mentalnim zdravljem,

including things like heightened depression,

uključujući pojačanu depresiju,

heightened anxiety and suicide ideation.

povećanu anksioznost i suicidne misli.

But, by far, the most problematic element of perfectionism

Ali daleko najproblematičniji element perfekcionizma

is socially prescribed perfectionism.

je društveno propisani perfekcionizam.

That sense that everyone expects me to be perfect.

Taj osećaj da svi očekuju da budem savršen.

This element of perfectionism

Ovaj element perfekcionizma

has a large correlation with serious mental illness.

je u velikoj korelaciji sa ozbiljnim mentalnim bolestima.

And with today's emphasis on perfection at the forefront of my mind,

I kako mi je današnji naglasak na savršenstvu bio glavna stvar na umu,

I was curious to see whether these elements of perfectionism were changing.

zanimalo me je da li se ti elementi perfekcionizma menjaju.

To date, research in this area is focused on immediate family relations,

Do sada su istraživanja u ovoj oblasti bila usmerena

na neposredne porodične odnose,

but we wanted to look at it at a broader level.

ali hteli smo da ovo sagledamo na širem nivou.

So we took all of the data that had ever been collected

Stoga smo uzeli sve podatke koji su ikada prikupljeni

in the 27 years since Paul and Gordon developed that perfectionism measure,

tokom 27 godina otkako su Pol i Gordon osmislili tu meru perfekcionizma,

and we isolated the data in college students.

i izolovali smo podatke dobijene na studentima.

This turned out to be more than 40,000 young people

Ispostavilo se da je bilo više od 40 000 mladih

from American, Canadian and British colleges,

sa američkih, kanadskih i britanskih fakulteta,

and with so much data available, we looked to see if there was a trend.

i sa toliko dostupnih podataka, gledali smo da li postoji neki trend.

And in all, it took us more than three years

Sveukupno nam je trebalo više od tri godine

to collate all of this information, crunch the numbers,

da sakupimo sve ove informacije, izvršimo analize

and write our report.

i napišemo izveštaj.

But it was worth it because our analysis uncovered something alarming.

Ali vredelo je zato što je naša analiza otkrila nešto alarmantno.

All three elements of perfectionism have increased over time.

Sva tri elementa perfekcionizma su se vremenom povećavala.

But socially prescribed perfectionism saw the largest increase, and by far.

Ali društveno propisan perfekcionizam je zabeležio daleko najveći porast.

In 1989,

Godine 1989,

just nine percent of young people report clinically relevant levels

samo devet odsto mladih iskazalo je klinički značajne nivoe

of socially prescribed perfectionism.

društveno propisanog perfekcionizma.

Those are levels that we might typically see in clinical populations.

To su nivoi koje obično možemo videti u kliničkim populacijama.

By 2017, that figure had doubled to 18 percent.

Do 2017. ta se brojka udvostručila na 18 posto.

And by 2050, projections based on the models that we tested

A do 2050. godine, projekcije na osnovu modela koje smo testirali

indicate that almost one in three young people

ukazuju da će skoro jedan od troje mladih

will report clinically relevant levels of socially prescribed perfectionism.

iskazivati klinički značajan nivo društveno propisanog perfekcionizma.

Remember, this is the element of perfectionism

Zapamtite, ovo je element perfekcionizma

that has the largest correlation with serious mental illness,

koji ima najveću korelaciju sa ozbiljnim mentalnim bolestima,

and that's for good reason.

i to sa dobrim razlogom.

Socially prescribed perfectionists feel a unrelenting need

Društveno propisani perfekcionisti osećaju neumornu potrebu

to meet the expectations of other people.

da ispune očekivanja drugih ljudi.

And even if they do meet yesterday's expectation of perfection,

I čak i ako ispune jučerašnja očekivanja savršenstva,

they then raise the bar on themselves to an even higher degree

onda sami sebi podignu standarde na još viši nivo

because these folks believe that the better they do,

jer veruju da što bolje rade,

the better that they're expected to do.

očekuje se da će raditi još bolje.

This breeds a profound sense of helplessness and, worse, hopelessness.

Ovo stvara duboki osećaj bespomoćnosti i, što je još gore, beznađa.

But is there hope?

Ali ima li nade?

Of course there's hope.

Naravno da ima nade.

Perfectionists can and should hold on to certain things --

Perfekcionisti mogu i treba da se drže određenih stvari -

they are typically bright, ambitious, conscientious and hardworking.

obično su bistri, ambiciozni, savesni i vredni.

And yes, treatment is complex.

I da, lečenje je složeno.

But a little bit of self-compassion,

Ali malo samosaosećajnosti

going easy on ourselves when things don't go well,

i popustljivosti prema sebi kada stvari ne idu dobro

can turn those qualities into greater personal peace and success.

može pretvoriti te osobine u veći lični mir i uspeh.

And then there's what we can do as caregivers.

Zatim je tu i ono što možemo uraditi kao staratelji.

Perfectionism develops in our formative years,

Perfekcionizam se razvija u našim formativnim godinama,

and so young people are more vulnerable.

pa su mladi zato podložniji.

Parents can help their children

Roditelji mogu pomoći deci

by supporting them unconditionally when they've tried but failed.

tako što će ih bezuslovno podržati kada pokušaju, ali ne uspeju.

And Mom and Dad can resist their understandable urge

Mama i tata mogu da se odupru svojoj razumljivoj potrebi

in today's highly competitive society to helicopter-parent,

da stalno obleću oko deteta u svetu koji je danas vrlo takmičarski nastrojen,

as a lot of anxiety is communicated

jer se mnogo anksioznosti prenosi

when parents take on their kids' successes and failures as their own.

kada roditelji prisvajaju uspehe i neuspehe svoje dece kao sopstvene.

But ultimately, our research raises important questions

Ali naposletku, naše istraživanje pokreće važna pitanja

about how we are structuring society

o tome kako organizujemo društvo

and whether our society's heavy emphasis on competition, evaluation and testing

i da li akcenat našeg društva na takmičenju, ocenjivanju i testiranju

is benefiting young people.

koristi mladima.

It's become commonplace for public figures to say

Postalo je uobičajeno da javne ličnosti kažu

that young people just need a little bit more resilience

da mladima treba malo više otpornosti

in the face of these new and unprecedented pressures.

pred ovim novim i jedinstvenim pritiscima.

But I believe that is us washing our hands of the core issue

Ali smatram da to u stvari peremo ruke od suštinskog pitanja

because we have a shared responsibility

jer imamo zajedničku odgovornost

to create a society and a culture in which young people need less perfection

da stvorimo društvo i kulturu

u kojoj je mladima u startu potrebno manje savršenstva.

in the first place.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Ne zavaravajmo se.

Creating that kind of world is an enormous challenge,

Stvaranje takvog sveta je ogroman izazov,

and for a generation of young people

i za generaciju mladih ljudi koji žive u svakodnevnoj izloženosti

that live their lives in the 24/7 spotlight

of metrics, lead tables and social media,

metričkim pokazateljima, rang-listama i društvenim mrežama,

perfectionism is inevitable,

perfekcionizam je neizbežan,

so long as they lack any purpose in life

dok god im nedostaje nekakva svrha u životu

greater than how they are appearing

veća od načina na koji se predstavljaju ili onoga što postižu pred drugima.

or how they are performing to other people.

What can they do about it?

Šta mogu da urade u vezi sa tim?

Every time they are knocked down from that mountaintop,

Svaki put kada se survaju dole sa tog planinskog vrha,

they see no other option but to try scaling that peak again.

ne vide drugu opciju nego da probaju da se ponovo popnu.

The ancient Greeks knew

Stari Grci su znali

that this endless struggle up and down the same mountain

da ova beskrajna borba uz i niz istu planinu

is not the road to happiness.

nije put do sreće.

Their image of hell was a man called Sisyphus,

Njihova slika pakla bio je čovek po imenu Sizif,

doomed for eternity to keep rolling the same boulder up a hill,

osuđen da celu večnost iznova kotrlja isti kamen uz brdo,

only to see it roll back down and have to start again.

samo da bi se on opet otkotrljao dole i da bi morao da počne otpočetka.

So long as we teach young people

Dok god podučavamo mlade ljude

that there is nothing more real or meaningful in their lives

da u njihovim životima nema ničeg stvarnijeg ni smislenijeg

than this hopeless quest for perfection,

od ove beznadežne potrage za savršenstvom,

then we are going to condemn future generations

osudićemo i buduće generacije

to that same futility and despair.

na istu uzaludnost i očaj.

And so we're left with a question.

I tako nam ostaje pitanje.

When are we going to appreciate

Kada ćemo da uvažimo

that there is something fundamentally inhuman

da postoji nešto fundamentalno neljudski

about limitless perfection?

u vezi sa neograničenom savršenošću?

No one is flawless.

Niko nije bez mana.

If we want to help our young people escape the trap of perfectionism,

Ako želimo da pomognemo našim mladima da izbegnu zamku perfekcionizma,

then we will teach them that in a chaotic world,

onda ćemo ih naučiti da će nas u haotičnom svetu

life will often defeat us, but that's OK.

život često savladati, ali to je u redu.

Failure is not weakness.

Neuspeh nije slabost.

If we want to help our young people outgrow this self-defeating snare

Ako želimo da pomognemo našim mladima da prerastu ovu samoporažavajuću zamku

of impossible perfection,

nemogućg savršenstva,

then we will raise them in a society that has outgrown that very same delusion.

onda ćemo ih odgajati u društvu koje je preraslo tu istu zabludu.

But most of all,

Ali pre svega,

if we want our young people to enjoy mental, emotional

ako želimo da naši mladi ljudi uživaju u mentalnom, emotivnom

and psychological health,

i psihološkom zdravlju,

then we will invite them to celebrate the joys

pozvaćemo ih da slave radost

and the beauties of imperfection

i lepotu nesavršenosti

as a normal and natural part of everyday living and loving.

kao normalan i prirodan deo svakodnevnog življenja i ljubavi.

Thank you very much.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)