Theaster Gates: How to revive a neighborhood: with imagination, beauty and art

Prevodilac: Tereza Ivanovic Lektor: Tijana Mihajlović

Ja sam grnčar,

I'm a potter,

which seems like a fairly humble vocation.

što deluje kao prilično skromno zanimanje.

I know a lot about pots.

Mnogo znam o ćupovima.

I've spent about 15 years making them.

Pravim ih oko petnaest godina.

One of the things that really excites me in my artistic practice

Ono što me zaista uzbuđuje tokom umetničkog rada

and being trained as a potter

i školovanja za grnčara

is that you very quickly learn how to make great things out of nothing;

je da brzo naučite kako da napravite nešto sjajno ni od čega;

that I spent a lot of time at my wheel with mounds of clay trying stuff;

to da sam mnogo vremena proveo za točkom sa brdom gline, isprobavajući stvari,

and that the limitations of my capacity, my ability,

kao i to da su granice mojih kapaciteta i sposobnosti

was based on my hands and my imagination;

zasnovane na mojim rukama i mašti;

that if I wanted to make a really nice bowl

to da, ako sam hteo da napravim stvarno lepu činiju,

and I didn't know how to make a foot yet,

a nisam znao da napravim postolje,

I would have to learn how to make a foot;

morao sam i to da naučim

that that process of learning has been very, very helpful to my life.

i da mi je taj proces učenja mnogo pomogao u životu.

I feel like, as a potter,

Osećam da, kao grnčar,

you also start to learn how to shape the world.

počinjete da učite kako da oblikujete svet.

There have been times in my artistic capacity

Često sam, kao umetnik

that I wanted to reflect

želeo da se osvrnem

on other really important moments

na važne trenutke iz istorije SAD ili sveta,

in the history of the U.S., the history of the world

where tough things happened,

gde se dešavaju teške stvari,

but how do you talk about tough ideas

ali kako govoriti o teškim stvarima

without separating people from that content?

bez izdvajanja ljudi iz konteksta?

Da li sam mogao da iskoristim umetnost

Could I use art like these old, discontinued firehoses from Alabama,

kao što su ova stara, iskidana vatrogasna creva iz Alabame

to talk about the complexities of a moment of civil rights in the '60s?

da bih govorio o složenosti građanskih prava '60-ih godina?

Is it possible to talk about my father and I doing labor projects?

Da li je moguće da govorim o očevim i mojim radnim projektima?

My dad was a roofer, construction guy, he owned small businesses,

Moj otac je bio krovopokrivač, građevinac, mali preduzimač,

and at 80, he was ready to retire and his tar kettle was my inheritance.

a sa 80 se penzionisao, a ja nasledio njegov kotlić za katran.

Now, a tar kettle doesn't sound like much of an inheritance. It wasn't.

Kotlić za katran ne zvuči kao neko nasledstvo. I nije.

It was stinky and it took up a lot of space in my studio,

Bio je smrdljiv i zauzimao je mnogo prostora u mom ateljeu,

but I asked my dad if he would be willing to make some art with me,

ali sam upitao oca da li ima volje da zajedno stvaramo umetnost,

if we could reimagine this kind of nothing material

da li bismo mogli da ponovo osmislimo, da ni iz čega stvorimo nešto posebno

as something very special.

i da li bismo kroz uzdizanje ovog materijala i kroz očevu veštinu

And by elevating the material and my dad's skill,

could we start to think about tar just like clay, in a new way,

mogli da započnemo razmišljanje o katranu na nov način, kao o glini,

shaping it differently, helping us to imagine what was possible?

oblikujući ga na drugi način,

što bi nam pomoglo da zamislimo šta bi bilo moguće.

After clay, I was then kind of turned on to lots of different kinds of materials,

Posle gline, okrenuo sam se različitim materijalima

and my studio grew a lot because I thought, well,

i moj atelje se prilično razvio, jer sam mislio:

it's not really about the material, it's about our capacity to shape things.

„Nije stvar samo u materijalu, već u sposobnosti preoblikovanja.“

I became more and more interested in ideas

Postao sam sve zainteresovaniji za ideje i sve više stvari

and more and more things that were happening just outside my studio.

koje su se dešavale izvan ateljea.

Just to give you a little bit of context, I live in Chicago.

Da biste imali bolju predstavu, živim u Čikagu.

Sad živim u južnom delu, ali potičem iz zapadnog Čikaga.

I live on the South Side now. I'm a West Sider.

Za one koji nisu iz Čikaga ovo ništa ne znači,

For those of you who are not Chicagoans, that won't mean anything,

but if I didn't mention that I was a West Sider,

ali da nisam pomenuo da sam iz južnog dela,

mnogi bi se u tom gradu naljutili.

there would be a lot of people in the city that would be very upset.

Živim u blizini Grand Krosinga.

The neighborhood that I live in is Grand Crossing.

It's a neighborhood that has seen better days.

Ovaj kraj je imao i lepše periode.

It is not a gated community by far.

Nije uopšte zatvorena zajednica.

Mnogi napuštaju moj kraj,

There is lots of abandonment in my neighborhood,

and while I was kind of busy making pots and busy making art

a dok sam ja bio zauzet grnčarijom

i stvaranjem umetničkih dela i umetničke karijere,

and having a good art career,

there was all of this stuff that was happening

svašta se dešavalo u neposrednoj blizini mog ateljea.

just outside my studio.

All of us know about failing housing markets

Svi smo upoznati sa neuspehom na stambenom tržištu,

and the challenges of blight,

sa izazovima propadanja,

and I feel like we talk about it with some of our cities more than others,

a imam osećaj da više pominjemo neke gradove u odnosu na druge,

ali mislim i da se mnogi američki, a i drugi gradovi,

but I think a lot of our U.S. cities and beyond

have the challenge of blight,

suočavaju sa izazovom propadanja,

napuštenim zgradama sa kojima ljudi više ne znaju šta da rade.

abandoned buildings that people no longer know what to do anything with.

Pomislio sam: „Da li postoji način

And so I thought, is there a way that I could start to think

about these buildings as an extension or an expansion of my artistic practice?

da ove zgrade postanu produžetak ili proširenje moje umetničke prakse?“

Ako bih podelio mišljenje sa drugim kreativcima -

And that if I was thinking along with other creatives --

architects, engineers, real estate finance people --

arhitektama, inženjerima,

ljudima koji se bave finansijama u poslu sa nekretninama -

that us together might be able to kind of think

možda bismo zajedno mogli da smislimo

in more complicated ways about the reshaping of cities.

da na neki složeniji način preoblikujemo gradove.

Tako sam kupio jednu zgradu.

And so I bought a building.

The building was really affordable.

Bila je zaista pristupačna.

We tricked it out.

Sredili smo je.

Ulepšali smo je najbolje što umemo, samo da bi se nešto događalo

We made it as beautiful as we could to try to just get some activity happening

on my block.

u mojoj ulici.

Once I bought the building for about 18,000 dollars,

Kad sam kupio zgradu za oko 18 000 dolara,

nije mi ostalo novca.

I didn't have any money left.

Počeo sam jedan performans - da čistim zgradu.

So I started sweeping the building as a kind of performance.

This is performance art, and people would come over,

To je umetnička predstava, ljudi bi dolazili,

and I would start sweeping.

a ja bih počeo da čistim,

Because the broom was free and sweeping was free.

jer su i metla i čišćenje bili besplatni.

It worked out.

Upalilo je.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

But we would use the building, then, to stage exhibitions, small dinners,

Zatim smo koristili zgradu za izložbe, za male zakuske,

and we found that that building on my block, Dorchester --

i shvatili smo da ta zgrada u mojoj ulici, Dorčester -

we now referred to the block as Dorchester projects --

sada smo ulicu nazvali „Projekat Dorčester“ -

that in a way that building became a kind of gathering site

ta zgrada je postala mesto okupljanja

for lots of different kinds of activity.

za izvođenje različitih aktivnosti.

We turned the building into what we called now the Archive House.

Pretvorili smo zgradu u ono što danas nazivamo „Kuća arhive“.

The Archive House would do all of these amazing things.

U njoj su se dešavale neverovatne stvari.

Very significant people in the city and beyond

Veoma značajni ljudi u gradu i izvan njega

would find themselves in the middle of the hood.

našli su se ovde u kraju.

And that's when I felt like

Tada sam osetio

da možda postoji veza između prethodnog bavljenja grnčarstvom

maybe there was a relationship between my history with clay

i ove novine koja je počela da se razvija,

and this new thing that was starting to develop,

that we were slowly starting

koja je polako počela da ponovo oblikuje

to reshape how people imagined the South Side of the city.

predstave ljudi o južnom kraju grada.

One house turned into a few houses,

Od jedne kuće nastalo je još nekoliko,

and we always tried to suggest

a uvek smo pokušavali da sugerišemo

da nije samo važno stvoriti lep prostor,

that not only is creating a beautiful vessel important,

nego je bitan i sadržaj koji se unutar te zgrade događa.

but the contents of what happens in those buildings is also very important.

So we were not only thinking about development,

Nismo razmišljali samo o razvitku,

but we were thinking about the program,

već i o programu,

thinking about the kind of connections that could happen

o mogućim vezama koje se mogu ostvariti

between one house and another, between one neighbor and another.

među kućama, među susedima.

Ova zgrada je postala ono što nazivamo „Kuća slušanja“,

This building became what we call the Listening House,

a imala je kolekciju odbačenih knjiga

and it has a collection of discarded books

from the Johnson Publishing Corporation,

iz korporacije „Izdavaštvo Džonson“,

and other books from an old bookstore that was going out of business.

kao i druge knjige iz stare knjižare koja se zatvorila.

I was actually just wanting to activate these buildings as much as I could

Hteo sam, u stvari, da oživim ove zgrade kako god sam mogao,

with whatever and whoever would join me.

sa bilo čim, bilo kim ko bi mi se pridružio.

In Chicago, there's amazing building stock.

U Čikagu postoje neverovatne građevine.

This building, which had been the former crack house on the block,

Ova zgrada je bila stecište narkomana u ulici,

and when the building became abandoned,

a kada je postala napuštena,

it became a great opportunity to really imagine what else could happen there.

ukazala se prilika da se zamislimo šta bi se tu moglo događati.

Ovo mesto smo pretvorili u nešto što zovemo „Crnački bioskop“.

So this space we converted into what we call Black Cinema House.

Black Cinema House was an opportunity in the hood to screen films

Taj bioskop je predstavljao mogućnost da se u kraju prikažu filmovi

that were important and relevant to the folk who lived around me,

koji su bili od značaja za ljude u mojoj okolini,

that if we wanted to show an old Melvin Van Peebles film, we could.

da smo mogli da prikažemo neki stari film Melvina Van Piblsa

ako smo to hteli.

If we wanted to show "Car Wash," we could.

Mogli smo prikazati „Autoperionicu“ ako smo hteli.

That would be awesome.

To bi bilo fenomenalno.

The building we soon outgrew,

Uskoro smo prerasli zgradu

and we had to move to a larger space.

i morali smo se seliti u veći prostor.

„Crnački bioskop“, nastao od mrvice gline,

Black Cinema House, which was made from just a small piece of clay,

had to grow into a much larger piece of clay, which is now my studio.

morao je da preraste u veći komad, a sada je to moj atelje.

What I realized was that for those of you who are zoning junkies,

Shvatio sam da za one među vama koji su vezani za neke oblasti,

that some of the things that I was doing

ono što ja radim u ovim zgradama

in these buildings that had been left behind,

koje su bile napuštene,

they were not the uses by which the buildings were built,

nisu više imale staru namenu,

and that there are city policies that say,

a gradska politika kaže:

"Hey, a house that is residential needs to stay residential."

„Stambena zgrada mora ostati stambena“,

But what do you do in neighborhoods when ain't nobody interested in living there?

ali šta se radi u krajevima kad više niko nije zainteresovan da živi tamo?

Kada su ljudi koji su imali način da odu već otišli?

That the people who have the means to leave have already left?

What do we do with these abandoned buildings?

Šta da radimo sa ovim napuštenim zgradama?

And so I was trying to wake them up using culture.

Hteo sam da ih oživim kulturom.

We found that that was so exciting for folk,

Shvatili smo da je sve ovo bilo toliko uzbudljivo svima,

and people were so responsive to the work, that we had to then find bigger buildings.

a i ljudi su se odazivali da rade, da smo morali da tražimo veće zgrade.

By the time we found bigger buildings,

Kad smo našli veće zgrade,

there was, in part, the resources necessary to think about those things.

morali smo delimično razmišljati i o resursima koji su neophodni pri ovome.

In this bank that we called the Arts Bank, it was in pretty bad shape.

Ova banka, koju smo nazvali „Banka umetnosti“, bila je u lošem stanju.

There was about six feet of standing water.

Bilo je skoro dva metra stajaće vode.

It was a difficult project to finance,

Bio je to težak projekat za finansiranje

because banks weren't interested in the neighborhood

jer banke nisu bile zainteresovane za ovaj kraj,

because people weren't interested in the neighborhood

jer ljudi nisu bili zainteresovani za ovaj kraj

because nothing had happened there.

jer se tamo ništa nije dešavalo.

It was dirt. It was nothing. It was nowhere.

Bilo je prljavo. Nije bilo ničega. Bilo je u nedođiji.

And so we just started imagining, what else could happen in this building?

Počeli smo razmišljati šta bi se ovde moglo odigravati?

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

And so now that the rumor of my block has spread,

Kad su se proširile glasine po mom kraju

and lots of people are starting to visit,

i mnogi su počeli dolaziti,

we've found that the bank can now be a center

uvideli smo da banka može biti centar

for exhibition, archives, music performance,

za izložbe, arhivu, muzičke predstave,

and that there are people who are now interested

i da postoje ljudi koji su sada zainteresovani

in being adjacent to those buildings because we brought some heat,

da budu u susedstvu ovih zgrada jer smo uneli neku toplinu,

that we kind of made a fire.

razbuktali smo vatru.

One of the archives that we'll have there is this Johnson Publishing Corporation.

Jedna od arhiva koja će tamo biti pripada korporaciji „Izdavaštvo Džonson“.

We've also started to collect memorabilia from American history,

Počeli smo sakupljati suvenire iz američke istorije

from people who live or have lived in that neighborhood.

od ljudi koji žive ili su živeli u kraju.

Some of these images are degraded images of black people,

Neke od ovih slika su prikazi poniženih crnaca,

što je istorija čiji je sadržaj problematičan,

kind of histories of very challenging content,

and where better than a neighborhood

a koje je mesto bolje od kraja

with young people who are constantly asking themselves about their identity

gde mladi stalno preispituju svoj identitet,

to talk about some of the complexities

za razgovor o složenosti rasa i staleža?

of race and class?

In some ways, the bank represents a hub,

Banka, na neki način, predstavlja centar,

that we're trying to create a pretty hardcore node of cultural activity,

gde pokušavamo da stvorimo čvrsto jezgro kulturne aktivnosti,

and that if we could start to make multiple hubs

a ako bismo umnožili centre

and connect some cool green stuff around there,

i to povezali sa privlačnim zelenilom u okruženju,

that the buildings that we've purchased and rehabbed,

da zgrade koje smo kupili i obnovili,

which is now around 60 or 70 units,

a sada ih ima oko 60 ili 70,

that if we could land miniature Versailles on top of that,

da ako bismo tu nekako smestili minijaturni Versaj povrh svega

and connect these buildings by a beautiful greenbelt --

i nekako povezali ove zgrade predivnim zelenim pojasom -

(Applause) --

(Aplauz) -

that this place where people never wanted to be

onda bi ova mesta, gde ljudi nikad nisu želeli da budu,

would become an important destination

mogla postati važne destinacije

for folk from all over the country and world.

za ljude iz čitave zemlje i sveta.

Na neki način se osećam kao grnčar,

In some ways, it feels very much like I'm a potter,

that we tackle the things that are at our wheel,

jer se bavimo stvarima koje zavise od nas;

we try with the skill that we have

pokušavamo svojim umećima

to think about this next bowl that I want to make.

da osmislimo sledeću posudu koju želimo napraviti.

To je prešlo put od posude do kuće, ulice, naselja,

And it went from a bowl to a singular house to a block to a neighborhood

to a cultural district to thinking about the city,

do kvarta kulture, do razmišljanja o gradu

and at every point, there were things that I didn't know that I had to learn.

i na svakom koraku sam naučio neke stvari koje nisam znao.

I've never learned so much about zoning law in my life.

Nisam nikada u životu toliko naučio o zakonu zoniranja.

I never thought I'd have to.

Nisam ni mislio da ću morati.

But as a result of that, I'm finding that there's not just room

Kao rezultat toga, mislim da ima prostora ne samo za moje umetničko delovanje,

for my own artistic practice,

već i za mnoge druge umetničke prakse.

there's room for a lot of other artistic practices.

So people started asking us,

Počeli su da nas zapitkuju:

"Well, Theaster, how are you going to go to scale?"

„Tijestre, kako ćeš napredovati?“

and, "What's your sustainability plan?"

i „Kakav je tvoj plan održivosti?“

(Laughter) (Applause)

(Smeh) (Aplauz)

And what I found was that I couldn't export myself,

Shvatio sam da ne mogu da prenesem svoje ideje,

that what seems necessary in cities like Akron, Ohio,

da ono što se čini da je neophodno u gradovima

kao što je Akron u Ohaju, Detroit u Mičigenu i Geri u Indijani,

and Detroit, Michigan, and Gary, Indiana,

is that there are people in those places who already believe in those places,

je da tamo postoje ljudi koji već veruju u svoja mesta,

that are already dying to make those places beautiful,

koji žarko žele da ta mesta ulepšaju,

and that often, those people who are passionate about a place

a da su često oni koji su predani svojim naseljima

are disconnected from the resources necessary to make cool things happen,

odsečeni od potrebnih resursa neophodnih za boljitak,

or disconnected from a contingency of people

ili nisu u vezi sa ljudima

koji bi mogli pomoći da se neke stvari dese.

that could help make things happen.

So now, we're starting to give advice around the country

Sada smo počeli da savetujemo ljude širom zemlje

kako da krenu sa onim što imaju,

on how to start with what you got,

how to start with the things that are in front of you,

kako da krenu sa stvarima koje su im u okolini,

kako da ni od čega naprave nešto,

how to make something out of nothing,

how to reshape your world at a wheel or at your block

kako da preoblikuju svoj svet u svom neposrednom okruženju,

u svojoj ulici, ili da to urade na nivou grada.

or at the scale of the city.

Thank you so much.

Hvala mnogo.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

June Cohen: Thank you. So I think many people watching this

Džun Koen: Hvala.

Gledajući ovo, mnogi će se zapitati isto što i Vi na kraju:

will be asking themselves the question you just raised at the end:

How can they do this in their own city?

kako se ovo može postići i u njihovim gradovima?

You can't export yourself.

Ne možete preneti svoje ideje.

Give us a few pages out of your playbook about what someone who is inspired

Dajte nam neke ideje iz vaše strategije

o tome šta neko ko je inspirisan svojim gradom

about their city can do to take on projects like yours?

može da uradi da bi pokrenuo projekte slične Vašim?

Theaster Gates: One of the things I've found that's really important

Tijester Gejts: Jedna od najvažnijih stvari

is giving thought to not just the kind of individual project,

je razmišljanje ne samo o jednom projektu,

like an old house,

recimo, o nekoj staroj kući,

but what's the relationship between an old house,

nego o vezi između stare kuće,

a local school, a small bodega,

lokalne škole, male bakalnice -

and is there some kind of synergy between those things?

da li postoji nekakva sinergija među ovim stvarima?

Can you get those folk talking?

Da li možete podstaći te ljude na razgovor?

I've found that in cases where neighborhoods have failed,

Čini mi se da, i kada kraj propadne,

they still often have a pulse.

ljudi još uvek imaju nade.

How do you identify the pulse in that place, the passionate people,

Kako otkriti žilu kucavicu u tim mestima, ostrašćene ljude,

and then how do you get folk who have been fighting,

kako oživeti stare borce,

slogging for 20 years, reenergized about the place that they live?

koji su rintali 20 godina, da dopune baterije, radi svog mesta?

And so someone has to do that work.

Neko mora to da uradi.

If I were a traditional developer, I would be talking about buildings alone,

Da sam tradicionalni graditelj, pričao bih samo o građevinama

and then putting a "For Lease" sign in the window.

i o postavljanju znaka „Izdaje se“ na njihove prozore.

I think that you actually have to curate more than that,

Mislim da je potrebno organizovati više od toga,

that there's a way in which you have to be mindful about,

da postoji način da više razmišljate o tome

what are the businesses that I want to grow here?

kakve poslove želite da razvijate tamo.

And then, are there people who live in this place

Zatim, da li ima u tom kraju ljudi

who want to grow those businesses with me?

koji žele da razvijaju te poslove sa nekim.

Because I think it's not just a cultural space or housing;

Mislim da to ne treba da se tiče samo kulture ili stanovanja;

there has to be the recreation of an economic core.

mora biti ponovno oživljavanje ekonomskog izvora.

So thinking about those things together feels right.

Prava je stvar misliti o svemu tome.

JC: It's hard to get people to create the spark again

DžK: Teško je ponovo zapaliti iskru

when people have been slogging for 20 years.

posle 20 godina mučenja.

Are there any methods you've found that have helped break through?

Da li ste našli pravi način da se to prevaziđe?

TG: Yeah, I think that now there are lots of examples

TG: Da, mislim da sada postoji mnogo primera

of folk who are doing amazing work,

da ljudi čine neverovatne stvari,

but those methods are sometimes like, when the media is constantly saying

ali te metode su ponekad kao kada mediji stalno govore

that only violent things happen in a place,

da se samo nasilje dešava na nekom mestu.

then based on your skill set and the particular context,

Onda, zasnovano na vašoj veštini i određenom kontekstu,

what are the things that you can do in your neighborhood

šta možete uraditi u svom kraju

to kind of fight some of that?

da biste se borili protiv nekih od tih stvari?

So I've found that if you're a theater person,

Shvatio sam da, ako ste ljubitelj pozorišta,

you have outdoor street theater festivals.

organizujte festivale na otvorenom.

In some cases, we don't have the resources in certain neighborhoods

Nekada nemamo resurse u određenim krajevima

to do things that are a certain kind of splashy,

da uradimo nešto spektakularno,

but if we can then find ways of making sure that people

ali ako možemo uveriti ljude

who are local to a place,

koji pripadaju kraju

plus people who could be supportive of the things that are happening locally,

i ljude koji će podržavati lokalne događaje,

when those people get together,

kada ih sve spojimo,

I think really amazing things can happen.

mislim da se mogu desiti neverovatne stvari.

JC: So interesting.

DžK: Veoma zanimljivo.

Kako možete znati da projekti koje stvarate

And how can you make sure that the projects you're creating

are actually for the disadvantaged

zapravo služe ugroženima,

a ne samo nekoj grupi vegetarijanaca zainteresovanoj za nezavisne filmove,

and not just for the sort of vegetarian indie movie crowd

a koja bi se možda uključila da iskoristi projekat?

that might move in to take advantage of them.

TG: Right on. So I think this is where it starts to get into the thick weeds.

TG: Mislim da je to tačka na kojoj počinju da se javljaju prepreke.

JC: Let's go there. TG: Right now, Grand Crossing

DžK: Da čujemo. TG: Trenutno je u Grend Krosingu

is 99 percent black, or at least living,

99 posto stanovnišva crnačko, ili bar ljudi koji žive u njemu,

and we know that maybe who owns property in a place

ali znamo da se u ovom mestu vlasnici nekretnina

is different from who walks the streets every day.

razlikuju od onih koji su svakodnevno na ulicama.

So it's reasonable to say that Grand Crossing is already

Razumno je reći da je Grend Krosing

već u procesu da postane drugačiji od onoga kakav je sada.

in the process of being something different than it is today.

But are there ways to think about housing trusts or land trusts

Ipak, da li postoje načini da se razmišlja o građevinskim ili zemljišnim fondovima

ili o razvoju uz pomoć neprofitnih organizacija

or a mission-based development

that starts to protect some of the space that happens,

koje počinju da stavljaju pod zaštitu neke od prostora,

because when you have 7,500 empty lots in a city,

jer kada u gradu imate 7 500 praznih parcela,

you want something to happen there,

želite da se tamo dešava nešto,

but you need entities that are not just interested in the development piece,

ali vam trebaju entiteti koji nisu samo zainteresovani za razvoj,

but entities that are interested in the stabilization piece,

nego i oni koji su zainteresovani i za deo vezan za stabilizaciju,

and I feel like often the developer piece is really motivated,

a ponekad osećam da su oni koji se bave razvojem zaista motivisani,

but the other work of a kind of neighborhood consciousness,

ali sa druge strane, svest o području

that part doesn't live anymore.

više ne postoji.

So how do you start to grow up important watchdogs

Kako možete započeti ojačavanje organizacija kontrole

that ensure that the resources that are made available

koje bi vas uverile da se dostupni resursi

to new folk that are coming in

novodolazećim ljudima

are also distributed to folk who have lived in a place for a long time.

mogu distribuirati i onima koji dugo žive ovde.

JC: That makes so much sense. One more question:

DžK: To ima smisla. Još jedno pitanje -

You make such a compelling case for beauty and the importance of beauty and the arts.

ubedljivi ste kada pričate o lepoti, o važnosti lepote i umetnosti.

Drugi smatraju da bi se sredstva mogla bolje utrošiti

There would be others who would argue that funds would be better spent

on basic services for the disadvantaged.

na neke osnovne usluge za ugrožene.

How do you combat that viewpoint, or come against it?

Kako se borite sa takvim pogledima na stvari?

TG: I believe that beauty is a basic service.

TG: Mislim da je lepota osnovna usluga.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Često sam uviđao da, kada postoje resursi

Often what I have found is that when there are resources

that have not been made available to certain under-resourced cities

koji nisu dostupni nekim gradovima,

krajevima ili zajednicama sa manjkom resursa,

or neighborhoods or communities,

that sometimes culture is the thing that helps to ignite,

onda je kultura ono što može da pokrene stvari.

and that I can't do everything,

Ni ja nisam svemoćan,

but I think that there's a way in which if you can start with culture

ali ako možete da krenete sa kulturom

and get people kind of reinvested in their place,

i podstaknete ljude da ulažu u svoje mesto življenja,

other kinds of adjacent amenities start to grow,

i drugi sadržaji će se razvijati,

and then people can make a demand that's a poetic demand,

i tada ljudi mogu zahtevati, podneti poetski zahtev,

and the political demands that are necessary to wake up our cities,

a onda i politički zahtevi neophodni za buđenje naših gradova

they also become very poetic.

postaju veoma poetski.

JC: It makes perfect sense to me.

DžK: Zvuči skroz razumno.

Tijestere, hvala Vam što ste danas bili s nama.

Theaster, thank you so much for being here with us today.

Hvala. Tijester Gejts.

Thank you. Theaster Gates.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)