Gordon Brown on global ethic vs. national interest

Traducător: Adrian Dinu Corector: Cristina Târşoagă

Chris Anderson: Thank you so much, Prime Minister,

Chris Anderson: Va multumesc foarte mult, domnule Prim Ministru,

that was both fascinating and quite inspiring.

a fost fascinant si inspirational

So, you're calling for a global ethic.

Deci lansati o chemare pentru o etica globala.

Would you describe that as global citizenship?

Ati descrie-o ca fiind o cetatenie globala?

Is that an idea that you believe in, and how would you define that?

Este aceasta o idee in care credeti, si cum ati defini-o?

Gordon Brown: It is about global citizenship

Gordon Brown: Cred ca este vorba despre cetatenie globala. Ideea e sa recunoastem

and recognizing our responsibilities to others.

responsabilitatile noastre fata de ceilalti.

There is so much to do over the next few years

Sunt atat de multe de facut in urmatorii ani

that is obvious to so many of us

care sunt clare pentru foarte multi dintre noi.

to build a better world.

pentru a construi o lume mai buna.

And there is so much shared sense of what we need to do,

Si este atat de evident in constiinta tuturor

ceea ce trebuie facut,

that it is vital that we all come together.

incat este vital sa lucram cu totii, impreuna.

But we don't necessarily have the means to do so.

Dar nu avem neaparat si mijloacele de a face aceasta.

So there are challenges to be met.

Exista deci provocari carora trebuie sa le raspundem.

I believe the concept of global citizenship

Cred ca conceptul cetateniei globale

will simply grow out of people talking to each other across continents.

va aparea pur si simplu din comunicarea dintre oameni de pe diferite continente.

But of course the task is to create the institutions

Insa, bineinteles, misiunea este de a construi institutiile

that make that global society work.

care sa faca acea societate globala sa functioneze.

But I don't think we should underestimate

Dar cred ca nu ar trebui sa subestimam masura in care

the extent to which massive changes in technology

schimbarile masive in domeniul tehnologiei

make possible the linking up of people across the world.

permit conectarea oamenilor pe intreg mapamondul.

CA: But people get excited about this idea of global citizenship,

CA: Dar oamenii se entuziasmeaza cand aud de ideea cetateniei globale

but then they get confused a bit again

insa redevin putin confuzi

when they start thinking about patriotism,

cand incep sa se gandeasca la patriotism

and how to combine these two.

si modul in care ar trebui sa le combine pe cele doua.

I mean, you're elected as Prime Minister

Ma refer la faptul ca sunteti ales ca Prim-ministru

with a brief to bat for Britain.

cu misiunea de a lupta pentru interesele Marii Britanii.

How do you reconcile the two things?

Cum reconciliati cele doua pozitii?

GB: Well, of course national identity remains important.

Pai, bineinteles, identitatea nationala ramane importanta.

But it's not at the expense of people accepting their global responsibilities.

Insa nu compromite acceptarea responsabilitatilor globale de catre oameni.

And I think one of the problems of recession

Si cred ca una din problemele aduse de o recesiune

is that people become more protectionist,

este ca oamenii devin mai protectionisti,

they look in on themselves,

sunt foarte atenti la ei insisi,

they try to protect their own nation,

incearca sa isi protejeze propria natiune,

perhaps at the expense of other nations.

posibil chiar in dauna celorlalte.

When you actually look at the motor of the world economy,

Atunci cand privesti motorul economiei mondiale,

it cannot move forward

vezi ca acesta nu poate progresa

unless there is trade between the different countries.

decat daca exista comert intre diferitele tari.

And any nation that would become protectionist over the next few years

Iar orice natiune care ar deveni protectionista in urmatorii cativa ani

would deprive itself of the chance of getting the benefits

s-ar priva pe sine de sansa de a beneficia de pe urma

of growth in the world economy.

cresterii inregistrate de economia mondiala.

So, you've got to have a healthy sense of patriotism;

Prin urmare, trebuie sa ai un simt sanatos al patriotismului,

that's absolutely important.

asta este cat se poate de important.

But you've got to realize that this world has changed fundamentally,

Dar trebuie sa realizezi ca lumea noastra s-a schimbat fundamental,

and the problems we have cannot be solved by one nation and one nation alone.

si ca problemele pe care le avem nu pot fi rezolvate

de o singura natiune, doar prin ea insasi.

CA: Well, indeed.

CA: Da, intr-adevar. Dar ce faci

But what do you do when the two come into conflict

cand cele doua intra in conflict si esti fortat sa iei o decizie

and you're forced to make a decision

that either is in Britain's interest, or the interest of Britons,

care este fie in interesul Marii Britanii,

sau in interesul britanicilor,

or citizens elsewhere in the world?

sau al cetatenilor aflati pretutindeni in lume?

GB: Well I think we can persuade people

GB: Pai, cred ca putem convinge oamenii

that what is necessary for Britain's long-term interests,

ca ceea ce este necesar pentru interesele pe termen lung ale Marii Britanii,

what is necessary for America's long-term interests,

ceea ce este necesar pentru interesele pe termen lung ale Americii,

is proper engagement with the rest of the world,

este un angajament alaturi de restul lumii,

si luarea masurilor care se impun.

and taking the action that is necessary.

Exista o frumoasa poveste, din nou, despre Richard Nixon.

There is a great story, again, told about Richard Nixon.

1958, Ghana becomes independent,

1958, Ghana devine independenta,

so it is just over 50 years ago.

deci sunt doar putin peste 50 de ani de atunci,

Richard Nixon goes to represent the United States government

Richard Nixon merge acolo pentru a reprezenta Statele Unite

at the celebrations for independence in Ghana.

la sarbatorirea independentei in Ghana.

And it's one of his first outings as Vice President to an African country.

Si e una din primele sale vizite in calitate de vicepresedinte intr-o tara africana.

He doesn't quite know what to do,

Nu stie foarte clar ce trebuie sa faca, asa ca incepe sa mearga prin multime

so he starts going around the crowd

and starts talking to people

si intra in vorba cu oamenii din multime

and he says to people in this rather unique way,

si le spune oamenilor in modul sau inconfundabil,

"How does it feel to be free?"

"Cum va simtiti sa fiti liberi?"

And he's going around, "How does it feel to be free?"

Si, plimbandu-se de colo-colo, "Cum va simtiti sa fiti liberi?"

"How does it feel to be free?"

"Cum e sa fiti liberi?"

And then someone says,

Si apoi cineva ii raspunde, "De unde sa stiu? Sunt din Alabama"

"How should I know? I come from Alabama."

(Laughter)

(Rasete)

And that was the 1950s.

Si asta era in anii '50.

Now, what is remarkable

Acum, ceea ce este remarcabil

este ca drepturile civile au fost dobandite in America in anii '60.

is that civil rights in America were achieved in the 1960s.

But what is equally remarkable

Dar ceea ce este la fel de remarcabil

is socioeconomic rights in Africa have not moved forward very fast

este ca in ceea ce priveste drepturile socio-economice in Africa

nu s-au facut progrese prea rapide

even since the age of colonialism.

inca din epoca colonialismului.

And yet, America and Africa have got a common interest.

Si totusi, America si Africa

au un interes comun.

And we have got to realize that if we don't link up

Si trebuie sa ne dam seama ca daca nu colaboram

with those people who are sensible voices and democratic voices in Africa,

cu acele voci ale ratiunii si ale democratiei din Africa,

to work together for common causes,

pentru a lupta pentru cauze comune,

then the danger of Al Qaeda and related groups

atunci pericolul ca Al Qaeda si alte astfel de grupari

making progress in Africa is very big.

sa faca progrese in Africa este foarte mare.

So, I would say that what seems sometimes

Deci, as spune ca ceea ce pare uneori

to be altruism, in relation to Africa, or in relation to developing countries,

ca fiind altruism, in relatie cu Africa,

sau in relatie cu tarile in curs de dezvoltare,

is more than that.

este mai mult decat atat, este propriul interes scos la lumina

It is enlightened self-interest for us to work with other countries.

ce ne determina sa lucram cu aceste tari,

And I would say that national interest

Si as spune ca interesul national

and, if you like, what is the global interest

si, daca doriti, interesul global

to tackle poverty and climate change

de a pune capat saraciei extreme si schimbarii climatice

do, in the long run, come together.

pe termen lung, fuzioneaza.

And whatever the short-run price for taking action on climate change

Si oricare ar fi costul pe termen scurt pentru a lua masuri in ce priveste schimbarea climatica

or on security, or taking action to provide opportunities

sau de a lua masuri in ce priveste securitatea, sau pentru a crea oportunitati

pentru oameni in domeniul educatiei,

for people for education,

these are prices that are worth paying

acestea sunt preturi care merita platite

so that you build a stronger global society

pentru a construi o societate globala mai puternica

where people feel able to feel comfortable with each other

in care oamenii sa se simta confortabil unii in preajma celorlalti

and are able to communicate with each other in such a way

si sa poata comunica unii cu altii intr-un asemenea mod

that you can actually build stronger links between different countries.

incat sa se construiasca de fapt legaturi mai puternice intre diversele tari.

CA: I still just want to draw out on this issue.

CA: Suntem in Oxford, care este patria

experimentelor de gandire filosofica

So, you're on vacation at a nice beach,

Si iata unul care merge la modul urmator-

and word comes through that there's been a massive earthquake

Inca vreau sa insist pe aceasta chestiune.

and that there is a tsunami advancing on the beach.

Deci, esti in vacanta pe o plaja insorita

One end of the beach, there is a house containing a family of five Nigerians.

si se afla vestea ca a avut loc un cuntremur puternic

And at the other end of the beach there is a single Brit.

si ca un tsunami avanseaza spre plaja.

La un capat al plajei este o casa

You have time to --

(Laughter)

in care se afla o familie de 5 nigerieni.

you have time to alert one house.

La celalalt capat al plajei

What do you do?

este un singur britanic.

(Laughter)

Ai timp suficient sa --

GB: Modern communications.

(Rasete)

(Applause)

Ai timp suficient sa avertizezi o singura casa. Ce faci?

Alert both.

(Rasete)

(Applause)

GB: Telecomunicatiile moderne.

(Aplauze)

I do agree that my responsibility

Anunta-le pe amandoua.

is first of all to make sure that people in our country are safe.

(Aplauze)

And I wouldn't like anything that is said today to suggest

Sunt de acord ca responsabilitatea mea

that I am diminishing the importance of the responsibility

este ca, mai intai de toate, sa asigur siguranta cetatenilor tarii mele.

that each leader has for their own country.

Si nu as vrea ca ceva din ceea ce spun astazi sa sugereze

But I'm trying to suggest that there is a huge opportunity

ca imi desconsider responsabilitatea

open to us that was never open to us before.

pe care fiecare lider o are pentru tara sa.

But the power to communicate across borders

allows us to organize the world in a different way.

Dar incerc sa sugerez ca exista o imensa oportunitate

care ne este deschisa si pe care nu am mai avut-o pana acum.

And I think, look at the tsunami, it's a classic example.

Dar puterea de a comunica peste granite

Where was the early warning systems?

ne permite sa organizam lumea intr-un mod diferit.

Where was the world acting together

Si apoi, gandindu-ma la tsunami, e un exemplu clasic.

to deal with the problems that they knew arose

from the potential for earthquakes,

Ce s-a intamplat cu sistemele de avertizare in avans?

as well as the potential for climate change?

Stiti, unde era lumea actionand laolalta

And when the world starts to work together,

pentru a face fata problemelor despre care stiau ca vor aparea

with better early-warning systems,

you can deal with some of these problems in a better way.

incepand de la potentialul de a se produce un cutremur,

la fel de bine ca in cazul potentialului de aparitie a schimbarilor climatice?

I just think we're not seeing, at the moment,

Atunci cand lumea va incepe sa conlucreze,

the huge opportunities open to us by the ability of people to cooperate

folosind sisteme de avertizare in avans mai performante,

atunci poti sa rezolvi aceste situatii intr-un mod cu mult mai eficient.

in a world where either there was isolationism before

Cred ca nu ne dam seama, momentan,

or there was limited alliances based on convenience

de imensele oportunitati deschise noua

de abilitatea oamenilor de a coopera

which never actually took you to deal with some of the central problems.

intr-o lume in care inainte era fie izolationism

CA: But I think this is the frustration

fie existau aliante limitate bazate pe interese

that perhaps a lot of people have, like people in the audience here,

care nu au dus de fapt niciodata la rezolvarea principalelor probleme.

where we love the kind of language that you're talking about.

It is inspiring.

CA: Dar cred ca este vroba de frustrarea pe care poate

A lot of us believe that that has to be the world's future.

o au multi oameni, precum cei din audienta aceasta,

placandu-ne foarte tare lucrurile pe care le spuneti.

And yet, when the situation changes,

E inspirational. Multi dintre noi credem

you suddenly hear politicians talking as if,

ca acesta trebuie sa fie viitorul planetei.

you know, for example, the life of one American soldier

Si totusi, atunci cand situatia se schimba

is worth countless numbers of Iraqi civilians.

dintr-odata auzi politicienii vorbind ca si cum

When the pedal hits the metal,

stiti, de exemplu, viata unui soldat american

the idealism can get moved away.

e echivalentul vietii a nenumarati civili irakieni.

I'm just wondering whether you can see that changing over time,

Atunci cand situatia devine neiertatoare,

acest idealism poate fi dat deoparte.

whether you see in Britain

that there are changing attitudes,

Ma intreb cum anume --

and that people are actually more supportive

credeti ca s-ar putea schimba asta in timp,

of the kind of global ethic that you talk about.

daca vedeti Marea Britanie

GB: I think every religion, every faith,

schimandu-si atitudinea si daca oameni chiar

and I'm not just talking here to people of faith or religion --

sunt mai toleranti fata de aceasta etica globala de care vorbiti.

it has this global ethic at the center of its credo.

GB: Cred ca fiecare religie, fiecare credinta,

And whether it's Jewish or whether it's Muslim

si aici nu ma refer doar la oameni credinciosi sau religiosi --

or whether it's Hindu, or whether it's Sikh,

are aceasta etica globala in centrul ei,

the same global ethic is at the heart of each of these religions.

in centrul crezului ei.

Si indiferent ca e evreu sau ca e musulman

sau hindus sau Sikh,

So, I think you're dealing with something

that people instinctively see as part of their moral sense.

aceeasi etica globala sta in centrul

fiecareia dintre aceste religii.

So you're building on something that is not pure self-interest.

Deci cred ca avem de-a face cu ceva

ce oamenii vad instinctiv

You're building on people's ideas and values --

ca facand parte din acel simt moral.

that perhaps they're candles that burn very dimly on certain occasions.

Construiesti deci pe ceva ce nu e doar interes propriu,

construiesti pe ideile si valorile oamenilor

But it is a set of values that cannot, in my view, be extinguished.

care poate sunt lumanari care

vor arde cu flacara aproape stinsa in unele momente.

Then the question is,

how do you make that change happen?

Dar este un set de valori care, in opinia mea, nu poate fi 'stins'.

How do you persuade people that it is in their interest

Intrebarea este, asadar,

to build strong --

cum faci ca aceasta schimbare sa se petreaca?

After the Second World War,

we built institutions, the United Nations,

Cum convingi oamenii

the IMF, the World Bank,

ca este in interesul lor

the World Trade Organization, the Marshall Plan.

sa construiasca puternic... Dupa al doilea razboi mondial

There was a period in which people talked about an act of creation,

am construit institutii, precum ONU

because these institutions were so new.

FMI, Banca Mondiala,

Organizatia Mondiala a Comertului, Planul Marshall.

But they are now out of date. They don't deal with the problems.

A existat o perioada in care oamenii vorbeau de un act al creatiei

You can't deal with the environmental problem

through existing institutions.

pentru ca aceste instutitutii erau atat de recent aparute.

You can't deal with the security problem in the way that you need to.

Acum insa ele si-au depasit viabilitatea. Nu mai pot rezolva problemele.

Dupa cum ziceam, nu putem ameliora problema mediului inconjurator

You can't deal with the economic and financial problem.

prin institutiile existente.

So we have got to rebuild our global institutions,

Nu putem rezolva problema securitatii asa cum am avea nevoie.

build them in a way that is suitable to the challenges of this time.

Nu putem rezolva problema economica si cea financiara.

And I believe that if you look at the biggest challenge we face,

Trebuie deci sa reconstruim instutitiile noastre globale,

it is to persuade people to have the confidence

sa le reconstruim intr-un mod care se potriveste dilemelor si greutatilor cu care ne confruntam astazi.

that we can build a truly global society

Si cred ca, daca analizam cea mai mare greutate cu care ne confruntam,

with the institutions that are founded on these rules.

este cea de a ii convinge pe oameni sa aiba incredere

So, I come back to my initial point.

ca putem construi o societate globala

Sometimes you think things are impossible.

Nobody would have said 50 years ago

cu institutii care sa fie fondate pe astfel de reguli.

that apartheid would have gone in 1990,

Revin, deci, la ideea mea initiala.

or that the Berlin wall would have fallen at the turn of the '80s and '90s,

Uneori lucrurile par imposibile.

Nimeni nu ar fi zis acum 50 de ani

or that polio could be eradicated,

ca apartheid-ul va disparea in 1990,

or perhaps 60 years ago,

ca zidul Berlinului va cadea

nobody would have said a man could gone to the Moon.

la trecerea intre anii '80 si anii '90,

All these things have happened.

By tackling the impossible, you make the impossible possible.

sau ca poliomelita va fi eradicata, sau poate ca acum 60 de ani

CA: And we have had a speaker who said that very thing,

nimeni nu ar fi spus ca un om va ajunge pe Luna.

Toate aceste lucruri s-au intamplat.

and swallowed a sword right after that, which was quite dramatic.

Abordand imposibilul, faci ca imposibilul sa devina posibil.

(Laughter)

CA: SI am avut un vorbitor care a spus exact asta,

GB: Followed my sword and swallow.

CA: But, surely a true global ethic is for someone to say,

si a inghitit o sabie imediat dupa. Ceea ce a fost foarte dramatic.

(rasete)

GB: Voi inghiti si eu o sabie.

"I believe that the life of every human on the planet

CA: Cu siguranta, insa, o adevarata etica globala

is worth the same, equal consideration,

ar insemna ca cineva sa spuna,

regardless of nationality and religion."

"Cred ca viata fiecarei fiinte umane de pe planeta

And you have politicians who have --

valoreaza la fel de mult, merita luata la fel de mult in considerare,

you're elected.

In a way, you can't say that.

indiferent de nationalitate sau religie."

Even if, as a human being, you believe that,

you can't say that.

Si exista politicieni care au --

You're elected for Britain's interests.

Sunteti alesi. Intr-un fel, nu puteti spune asa ceva.

GB: We have a responsibility to protect.

Chiar daca, in calitate de fiinta umana, crezi asta,

I mean look, 1918, the Treaty of Versailles,

nu o poti declara, esti ales pentru a apara interesele Marii Britanii.

and all the treaties before that,

GB: Avem responsabilitatea de a proteja.

the Treaty of Westphalia and everything else,

were about protecting the sovereign right of countries

Ma refer, ganditi-va la 1918, Tratatul de la Versailles,

to do what they want.

Since then, the world has moved forward,

si toate tratatele de dinaintea lui, Pacea westfalica si toate celelalte,

partly as a result of what happened with the Holocaust,

erau legate de protejarea suveranitatii tarilor individuale

and people's concern about the rights of individuals

ca ele sa poata faca ceea ce vor.

within territories where they need protection,

De atunci, lumea a evoluat,

partial ca rezultat al ceea ce a produs Holocaustul,

partly because of what we saw in Rwanda,

si preocuparea oamenilor pentru drepturile indivizilor

partly because of what we saw in Bosnia.

in teritoriile in care ei au nevoie de protectie,

The idea of the responsibility to protect

all individuals who are in situations where they are at humanitarian risk

partial datorita a ceea ce am vazut in Rwanda,

partial datorita a ceea ce am vazut in Bosnia.

is now being established as a principle which governs the world.

Ideea responsabilitatii de a proteja

So, while I can't automatically say

toti indivizii aflati in situatii

in care exista un risc de natura umanitara

that Britain will rush to the aid of any citizen of any country, in danger,

se stabileste, la ora actuala, ca principiu care guveneaza lumea.

Deci, desi nu pot spune in mod automat

I can say that Britain is in a position

ca Marea Britanie va ajuta imediat

where we're working with other countries

oricare cetatean al oricarei tari, atunci cand se afla in pericol,

so that this idea that you have a responsibility

to protect people who are victims of either genocide or humanitarian attack,

pot spune ca Marea Britanie este intr-o pozitie

in care conlucram cu alte state

is something that is accepted by the whole world.

astfel incat ideea aceasta cum ca ai o responsabilitate

de a proteja oamenii care sunt victime fie ale genocidului

Now, in the end, that can only be achieved

if your international institutions work well enough to be able to do so.

fie ale unui atac la adresa drepturilor fundamentale ale omului,

And that comes back to what the future role of the United Nations,

este ceva ce este acceptat de intreaga lume.

Aceasta nu se poate petrece

and what it can do, actually is.

decat daca institutiile internationale functioneaza suficient de bine

But, the responsibility to protect is a new idea that is, in a sense,

pentru a putea face asta.

Revenim astfel la viitorul rol al ONU

taken over from the idea of self-determination

si la ceea ce poate, de fapt, sa faca.

as the principle governing the international community.

Dar responsabilitatea de a proteja

CA: Can you picture, in our lifetimes,

este o idee noua, oarecum

preluata de la ideea

a politician ever going out on a platform

auto-determinarii ca principiu care guverneaza comunitatea internationala.

of the kind of full-form global ethic, global citizenship?

CA: Va puteti imagina, in decursul vietilor noastre,

un politician lansanu-si o platforma electorala

And basically saying, "I believe that all people across the planet

de forma unei veritabile etici globale si cetatenii globale?

have equal consideration,

and if in power we will act in that way.

Si sa spuna, practic, ca "Eu cred ca toti oamenii de pe planeta

And we believe that the people of this country

are also now global citizens and will support that ethic."

au importanta egala, si daca ajung la putere

GB: Is that not what we're doing in the debate about climate change?

voi actiona tinand cont de aceasta.

Si credem ca locuitorii acestei tari

We're saying that you cannot solve

sunt de asemenea cetateni globali care vor sustine aceasta etica..."

the problem of climate change in one country;

Gordon Brown: Nu asta este ceea ce facem

you've got to involve all countries.

in dezbaterea cu privirea la schimbarea climatica?

You're saying that you must, and you have a duty to help those countries

Spunem ca nu se pot rezolva problemele schimbarii climatice intr-o singura tara,

that cannot afford to deal with the problems of climate change themselves.

trebuie implicate toate tarile.

Spuneti ca ar trebui si ca avem o datorie chiar de a ajuta

You're saying you want a deal

with all the different countries of the world

aceste tari care nu isi permit sa rezolve

where we're all bound together

problema schimbarii climatice ele insele.

to cutting carbon emissions in a way that is to the benefit of the whole world.

Spuneti ca vreti o intelegere cu toate tarile lumii

We've never had this before because Kyoto didn't work.

in care sa fim cu totii angajati

sa reducem emisiile de dioxid de carbon intr-un mod benefic pentru intreaga planeta.

If you could get a deal at Copenhagen, where people agreed,

Niciodata nu am avut asa ceva inainte pentru ca [protocolul de la] Kyoto nu a functionat.

A, that there was a long-term target for carbon emission cuts,

B, that there was short-range targets that had to be met

Si daca am putea ajunge la o intelegere la Copenhaga,

so this wasn't just abstract;

in care oamenii sa spuna ca, A, a fost

it was people actually making decisions now

o tinta pe termen lung in ce priveste reducerea emisiilor de carbon,

that would make a difference now,

B, a fost o tinta de valori care trebuie atinse pe termen scurt

and if you could then find a financing mechanism

astfel incat sa nu fie doar ceva abstract,

that meant that the poorest countries that had been hurt

chiar sa fie oameni care iau decizii

by our inability to deal with climate change

care sa faca o diferenta acum,

over many, many years and decades

si daca ai putea gasi apoi un mecanism de finantare

are given special help

care ar insemna ca cele mai sarace state care au fost afectate

so that they can move to energy-efficient technologies,

de inabilitatea noastra de a opri schimbarea climatica

and they are in a position financially

de-a lungul a ani si ani, decenii si decenii

sunt ajutate spre a putea trece la

to be able to afford the long-term investment

that is associated with cutting carbon emissions,

tehnologii eficiente din punct de vedere energetic,

then you are treating the world equally,

si sunt in pozitia financiara

de a-si putea permite investitia pe termen lung

by giving consideration to every part of the planet

care e necesara pentru aceasta reducere a emisiilor de carbon,

and the needs they have.

atunci tratezi lumea in mod egal,

It doesn't mean that everybody does exactly the same thing,

because we've actually got to do more financially

luand in considerare fiecare parte a planetei,

to help the poorest countries,

si nevoile ei.

but it does mean there is equal consideration

Asta nu inseamna ca fiecare face exact acelasi lucru

for the needs of citizens in a single planet.

pentru ca de fapt noi trebuie sa facem mai mult, financiar

CA: Yes.

pentru a ajuta cele mai sarace tari, dar inseamna intr-adevar ca li se acorda atentie egala

And then of course the theory is still that those talks get rent apart

nevoilor unor cetateni

by different countries fighting over their own individual interests.

pe o singura planeta.

GB: Yes, but I think Europe has got a position,

CA: Da. iar teoria este bineinteles in continuare ca

acele discutii vor fi divizita de diferitele tari

which is 27 countries have already come together.

care se lupta pentru propriile lor interese.

I mean, the great difficulty in Europe

GB: Da, dar cred ca Europa este intr-o pozitie

is if you're at a meeting and 27 people speak,

in care 27 de tari deja s-au unit.

it takes a very, very long time.

But we did get an agreement on climate change.

Marea dificultate in Europa este ca daca

esti la o intalnire si vorbesc 27 de oameni,

America has made its first disposition on this

dureaza foarte foarte mult.

with the bill that President Obama should be congratulated

Dar ne-am pus de acord in ce priveste schimbarea climatica.

for getting through Congress.

America a dat si ea prima sa dispozitie pe aceasta tema

Japan has made an announcement.

China and India have signed up to the scientific evidence.

prin legea pentru care Presedintele Obama ar trebui felicitat

And now we've got to move them to accept

ca a reusit sa o treaca prin Congres.

Japonia a facut recent un anunt,

a long-term target, and then short-term targets.

China si India s-au inclinat si ele, in fata dovezilor stiintifice.

But more progress has been made, I think, in the last few weeks

Si acum trebuie sa le convingem sa accepte

than had been made for some years.

And I do believe that there is a strong possibility

o tinta pe termen lung, si apoi tinte pe termen scurt.

that if we work together, we can get that agreement to Copenhagen.

Dar, s-a inregistrat un progres mai important, cred, in ultimele saptamani

decat s-a facut in ani intregi.

I certainly have been putting forward proposals

Si cred ca

that would have allowed the poorest parts of the world

exista o mare posibilitate,

daca vom conlucra, sa ajungem la un acord la Copenhaga.

to feel that we have taken into account their specific needs.

Eu unul, sigur ca am avansat diverse propuneri

And we would help them adapt.

care ar fi permis celor mai sarace parti ale lumii

And we would help them make the transition to a low-carbon economy.

sa simta ca am luat in considerare

I do think a reform of the international institutions is vital to this.

nevoile lor specifice.

Si le-am ajuta sa se adapteze.

When the IMF was created in the 1940s,

Si le-am ajuta sa faca trecerea spre o economie cu emisii reduse de carbon.

it was created with resources that were five percent or so of the world's GDP.

Cred ca, in acest scop, o reforma a institutiilor internationale este vitala.

The IMF now has limited resources, one percent.

Atunci cand FMI a fost creat in anii '40,

It can't really make the difference

that ought to be made in a period of crisis.

a fost creat cu resurse care reprezentau cam 5 procente din PIBul mondial.

So, we've got to rebuild the world institutions.

FMI astazi are resurse limitate, un singur procent.

And that's a big task:

persuading all the different countries

Chiar nu are posibilitatea de a face diferenta in perioadele de criza.

with the different voting shares in these institutions to do so.

Trebuie, deci, sa reconstruim instutitiile lumii.

There is a story told about the three world leaders

Si asta este o sarcina extrem de dificila: a convinge

toate tarile cu o importanta mai mare sau mai mica a voturilor lor

of the day getting a chance to get some advice from God.

in aceste institutii sa o faca.

Exista o poveste spusa despre 3 lideri mondiali

And the story is told that Bill Clinton went to God

care intr-o zi au avut sansa de a fi sfatuiti de Dumnezeu.

and he asked when there will be successful climate change

Si se spune ca Bill Clinton a mers la Dumnezeu

and a low-carbon economy.

And God shook his head and said,

si l-a intrebat cand vor fi

"Not this year, not this decade, perhaps not even in [your] lifetime."

incununate de succes ideile de schimbare a climei si de emisii reduse de carbon.

And Bill Clinton walked away in tears

Iar Dumnezeu a dat din cap si a spus ca "Nu anul acesta,

because he had failed to get what he wanted.

nu in deceniul acesta, poate nici macar in decursul vietii tale."

And then the story is that Barroso, the president of the European Commission,

Iar Bill Clinton a plecat plangand

went to God and he asked,

"When will we get a recovery of global growth?"

pentru ca nu reusise sa obtina ceea ce a vrut.

Si povestea spune ca Barroso, presedintele Comisiei Europene,

And God said, "Not this year, not in this decade,

s-a dus la Dumnezeu si l-a intrebat

perhaps not in your lifetime."

"Cand vom trece inapoi la crestere economica globala?"

So Barroso walked away crying and in tears.

And then the Secretary-General of the United Nations

Iar Dumnezeu i-a spus: "Nu anul acesta, nu deceniul acesta,

poate chiar nu in timpul vietii tale."

Astfel incat Barroso a plecat plangand.

came up to speak to God and said,

"When will our international institutions work?"

Apoi secretarul general al ONU

And God cried.

(Laughter)

s-a dus la Dumnezeu si i-a spus

"Cand vor functiona institutiile noatre internationale?"

It is very important to recognize that this reform of institutions

Iar Dumnezeu a inceput sa planga.

(Rasete)

is the next stage after agreeing upon ourselves

Este foarte important sa recunoastem

that there is a clear ethic upon which we can build.

ca aceasta reforma a institutiilor

CA: Prime Minister, I think there are many in the audience

este urmatoarea etapa dupa

who are truly appreciative of the efforts you made

ce ne punem de acord

ca exista o etica clara in baza careia putem construi

in terms of the financial mess we got ourselves into.

And there are certainly many people in the audience

CA: Domnule prim-ministru, cred ca sunt multi in audienta care

chiar apreciaza eforturile pe care le-ati facut

who will be cheering you on as you seek to advance this global ethic.

in ce priveste situatia financiara tulburata in care am intrat.

Thank you so much for coming to TED.

Si cu siguranta sunt multi membrii ai audientei

GB: Well, thank you.

(Applause)

care va vor sustine in timp ce incercati sa avansati

aceasta etica globala. Va multumesc foarte mult pentru ca ati venit la TED.

GB: Va multumesc si eu!

(Aplauze)