The secret US prisons you've never heard of before | Will Potter

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Hansol Ryu ๊ฒ€ํ† : Ju Hye Lim
00:13
Father Daniel Berrigan once said that "writing about prisoners
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๋‹ค๋‹ˆ์—˜ ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฑด ์‹ ๋ถ€๋‹˜์€ "์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
00:16
is a little like writing about the dead."
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์ฃฝ์€ ์ž๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๋‹ค."๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:19
I think what he meant is that we treat prisoners as ghosts.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์„ ๋งˆ์น˜ ์œ ๋ น์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:22
They're unseen and unheard.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‹œ์•ผ ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ฟ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:25
It's easy to simply ignore them
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๊ทธ์ € ๋ฌด์‹œํ•ด ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ๊ณ ,
00:27
and it's even easier when the government goes to great lengths to keep them hidden.
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์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ˆจ๊ธฐ๋ ค ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
As a journalist, I think these stories
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์ €๋Š” ์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ
00:33
of what people in power do when no one is watching,
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๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†์„ ๋•Œ ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ์ž๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์ง“์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€
00:37
are precisely the stories that we need to tell.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
That's why I began investigating
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ '2๊ธ‰' ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฒ”์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”
00:41
the most secretive and experimental prison units in the United States,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์€๋ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์šด์˜๋˜๋Š” ์‹คํ—˜์šฉ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์„ ์กฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:45
for so-called "second-tier" terrorists.
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00:49
The government calls these units Communications Management Units or CMUs.
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ ๋‹จ์œ„๋ฅผ ํ†ต์‹  ๊ด€๋ฆฌ ๊ธฐ๊ตฌ, ์ฆ‰ CMU๋ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:54
Prisoners and guards call them "Little Guantanamo."
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์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ต๋„๊ด€๋“ค์€ '์ž‘์€ ๊ด€ํƒ€๋‚˜๋ชจ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ฃ .
00:58
They are islands unto themselves.
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์ด ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์€ ๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๋กœ ์„ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:01
But unlike Gitmo they exist right here, at home,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ด€ํƒ€๋‚˜๋ชจ์™€๋Š” ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฌ ์ด๊ฑด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ, ๋ณธํ† ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:05
floating within larger federal prisons.
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๋” ํฐ ์—ฐ๋ฐฉ ๊ต๋„์†Œ ์•ˆ์—์„œ ๋– ๋Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
01:09
There are 2 CMUs.
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CMU๋Š” 2๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:10
One was opened inside the prison in Terre Haute, Indiana,
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์ธ๋””์• ๋‚˜์ฃผ ํ…Œ๋ ˆ ํ˜ธํŠธ์˜ ๊ต๋„์†Œ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๊ณ 
01:14
and the other is inside this prison, in Marion, Illinois.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ฆฌ๋…ธ์ด์ฃผ ๋งค๋ฆฌ์–ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ๊ต๋„์†Œ ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:18
Neither of them underwent the formal review process
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๋‘ ๊ตฐ๋ฐ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๋•Œ ๋ฒ•์ ์œผ๋กœ ์š”๊ตฌ๋˜๋Š”
01:21
that is required by law when they were opened.
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๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ๊ฒ€ํ†  ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
CMU prisoners have all been convicted of crimes.
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CMU ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์œ ์ฃ„ ํŒ๊ฒฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
Some of their cases are questionable and some involve threats and violence.
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์ผ๋ถ€ ํŒ๊ฒฐ์€ ์˜๋ฌธ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์œ„ํ˜‘๊ณผ ํญํ–‰์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฐ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
I'm not here to argue the guilt or innocence of any prisoner.
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž์˜ ์œ ์ฃ„๋‚˜ ๋ฌด์ฃ„๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์žฅํ•˜๋ ค ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์„  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:36
I'm here because as Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall said,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์„  ๊ฒƒ์€ ์„œ๋“œ๊ตฟ ๋งˆ์ƒฌ ๋Œ€๋ฒ•๊ด€์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด,
01:39
"When the prisons and gates slam shut,
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'๊ต๋„์†Œ ๋ฌธ์ด ๊ฑฐ์„ธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ซํž ๋•Œ์—๋„
01:42
prisoners do not lose their human quality."
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์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ๊ฐ„์„ฑ์„ ์žƒ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ' ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:46
Every prisoner I've interviewed has said there are three flecks of light
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ต๋„์†Œ ์ƒํ™œ์˜ ์–ด๋‘  ์†์—
01:51
in the darkness of prison:
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์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋น›์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
phone calls,
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์ „ํ™”,
01:54
letters
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ํŽธ์ง€,
01:56
and visits from family.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์กฑ์˜ ๋ฉดํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:58
CMUs aren't solitary confinement, but they radically restrict all of these
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CMU๋Š” ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋ฅผ ๋…๋ฐฉ์— ๊ฐ€๋‘์ง„ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฒ ์ €ํžˆ ์ œํ•œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:02
to levels that meet or exceed the most extreme prisons in the United States.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‚ผ์—„ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ๋งŒํผ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์‹ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ์š”.
02:06
Their phone calls can be limited to 45 minutes a month,
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์ „ํ™” ํ†ตํ™”๋Š” ํ•œ๋‹ฌ์— 45๋ถ„์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:09
compared to the 300 minutes other prisoners receive.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” 300๋ถ„์ด ์ฃผ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ƒ๋ฐ˜๋˜์ฃ .
02:14
Their letters can be limited to six pieces of paper.
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ํŽธ์ง€๋Š” ์ข…์ด 6์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:17
Their visits can be limited to four hours per month,
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๋ฉดํšŒ๋„ ํ•œ๋‹ฌ์— 4์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ
02:19
compared to the 35 hours that people like Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph
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์˜ฌ๋ฆผํ”ฝ ํญ๋ฐœ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ์ผ์œผ์ผœ ์Šˆํผ๋งฅ์Šค์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋œ ์—๋ฆญ ๋ฃจ๋Œํ”„์—๊ฒŒ๋„
02:25
receive in the supermax.
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35์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ฃผ์–ด์กŒ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„๊ต๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:28
On top of that, CMU visits are non-contact which means prisoners are not allowed
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๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ CMU ๋ฉดํšŒ๋Š” ์ ‘์ด‰์„ ํ—ˆ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ
์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์„ ์•ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์กฐ์ฐจ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:33
to even hug their family.
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02:36
As one CMU prisoner said,
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ํ•œ CMU ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
"We're not being tortured here, except psychologically."
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"์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •์‹ ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๋ฉด์š”."
02:42
The government won't say who is imprisoned here.
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์ด๊ณณ์— ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฐํžˆ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:45
But through court documents, open records requests
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŒ๊ฒฐ๋ฌธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด, ๊ณต๊ฐœ ๊ธฐ๋ก ์—ด๋žŒ ์š”์ฒญ๊ณผ
02:49
and interviews with current and former prisoners,
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ํ˜„์žฌ์™€ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋“ค์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ
02:51
some small windows into the CMUs have opened.
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CMU๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ฌ๋‹ค๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์ฐฝ์ด ์—ด๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
There's an estimated 60 to 70 prisoners here,
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์•ฝ 60๋ช…์—์„œ 70๋ช…์ด ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
02:59
and they're overwhelmingly Muslim.
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๋ฌด์Šฌ๋ฆผ์ด ์••๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:01
They include people like Dr. Rafil Dhafir,
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๊ทธ ์ค‘์—๋Š” ๋ผํ•„ ๋‹คํ”ผ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ๋„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
03:05
who violated the economic sanctions on Iraq by sending medical supplies
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์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์˜์•ฝํ’ˆ์„ ์ง€์›ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ์ด๋ผํฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์ œ ์ œ์žฌ๋ฅผ
03:09
for the children there.
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์œ„๋ฐ˜ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:11
They've included people like Yassin Aref.
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์•ผ์‹  ์•„๋ ˆํ”„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:14
Aref and his family fled to New York from Saddam Hussein's Iraq as refugees.
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์•„๋ ˆํ”„์™€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌ๋‹ด ํ›„์„ธ์ธ์ด ํ†ต์น˜ํ•œ ์ด๋ผํฌ์—์„œ ๋„๋ง์ณ ๋‰ด์š•์œผ๋กœ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:20
He was arrested in 2004 as part of an FBI sting.
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๊ทธ๋Š” 2004๋…„์— FBI ํ•จ์ • ์ˆ˜์‚ฌ์— ๊ฑธ๋ ค ์ฒดํฌ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:24
Aref is an imam and he was asked to bear witness to a loan,
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์•„๋ ˆํ”„๋Š” ์ด๋ง˜(์ด์Šฌ๋žŒ ์„ฑ์ง์ž)์ธ๋ฐ ๋นš๋ณด์ฆ์„ ์„œ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ถ€ํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:28
which is a tradition in Islamic culture.
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์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ด์Šฌ๋žŒ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜€์ฃ .
03:30
It turned out that one of the people involved in the loan was trying to enlist
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด ๋Œ€์ถœ์— ์—ฐ๋ฃจ๋œ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•จ์ • ์ˆ˜์‚ฌ์—
03:34
someone else in a fake attack.
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๋น ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๋ ค ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
Aref didn't know.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋ ˆํ”„๋Š” ๋ชฐ๋ž๊ณ 
03:39
For that, he was convicted
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋‹จ์ฒด์—
03:40
of conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist group.
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๋ฌผ์งˆ์  ์ง€์›์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๋ชจ์˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ˜์˜๋กœ ์œ ์ฃ„ ์„ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
The CMUs also include some non-Muslim prisoners.
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CMU์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์Šฌ๋ฆผ์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:49
The guards call them "balancers,"
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๊ต๋„๊ด€๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ "๊ท ํ˜• ์œ ์ง€์ž"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:52
meaning they help balance out the racial numbers,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ธ์ข… ๋น„์œจ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋งž์ถ”์–ด ์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
03:55
in hopes of deflecting law suits.
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๋ฒ•์  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
These balancers include animal rights and environmental activists
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๊ท ํ˜• ์œ ์ง€์ž์—๋Š” ๋™๋ฌผ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ์šด๋™๊ฐ€์ด์ž ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์šด๋™๊ฐ€์ธ
04:01
like Daniel McGowan.
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๋‹ค๋‹ˆ์—˜ ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:03
McGowan was convicted of participating in two arsons
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๋ณดํ˜ธ๊ฐ€ ๋ช…๋ชฉ์„ ๋ค '์ง€๊ตฌ ํ•ด๋ฐฉ ์ „์„ ' ํ™œ๋™์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ธ
04:06
in the name of defending the environment
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๋‘ ๊ฑด์˜ ๋ฐฉํ™”์— ์—ฐ๋ฃจ๋œ
04:08
as part of the Earth Liberation Front.
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ํ˜์˜๋กœ ์œ ์ฃ„ ํŒ๊ฒฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
During his sentencing, he was afraid that he would be sent
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์„ ๊ณ  ๋‹จ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์†Œ๋ฌธ๋‚œ
04:14
to a rumored secret prison for terrorists.
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๋น„๋ฐ€ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ๊ฐ‡ํž ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:17
The judge dismissed all those fears,
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ํŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ด ์†Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋ฌด ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€
04:19
saying that they weren't supported by any facts.
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์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ์˜ ๋‘๋ ค์›€์„ ๋ฌด์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
But that might be because the government hasn't fully explained
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์™œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค๋งŒ
04:25
why some prisoners end up in a CMU,
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CMU์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜๋Š”์ง€,
04:28
and who is responsible for these decisions.
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฐ์ •์— ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
When McGowan was transferred, he was told
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์ด ์ด๊ฐ๋  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ,
04:34
it's because he is a "domestic terrorist,"
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ '๋‚ด๊ตญ์ธ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ'์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด๊ฐ์˜ ์ด์œ ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:37
a term the FBI uses repeatedly when talking about environmental activists.
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FBI๊ฐ€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์šด๋™๊ฐ€๋“ค์„ ์ง€์นญํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์šฉ์–ด์ฃ .
04:42
Now, keep in mind there are about 400 prisoners in US prisons
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์—๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜๋œ ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ 400๋ช…์ด๋‚˜
04:46
who are classified as terrorists,
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์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์—ผ๋‘์— ๋‘์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:48
and only a handful of them are in the CMUs.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์†Œ์ˆ˜๋งŒ์ด CMU์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„์š”.
04:51
In McGowan's case, he was previously at a low-security prison
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ „์— ๋‚ฎ์€ ๋ณด์•ˆ ๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์†Œ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ
04:54
and he had no communications violations.
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ํ†ต์‹  ๊ทœ์น™์„ ์œ„๋ฐ˜ํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
So, why was he moved?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฐ๋œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
05:02
Like other CMU prisoners,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ CMU ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ
05:03
McGowan repeatedly asked for an answer, a hearing,
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด๋‚˜, ๊ณตํŒ, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•ญ์†Œํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ
05:07
or some opportunity for an appeal.
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๊ณ„์† ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:10
This example from another prisoner shows how those requests are viewed.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž์˜ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ทจ๊ธ‰์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
05:15
"Wants a transfer." "Told him no."
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"์ด๊ฐ์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค." "์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋‹ตํ–ˆ๋‹ค."
05:19
At one point, the prison warden himself recommended McGowan's transfer
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์€, ๊ต๋„์†Œ์žฅ์ด ์ง์ ‘ ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์˜ ๋ชจ๋ฒ”์ ์ธ ํ–‰๋™์„ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๋กœ
05:23
out of the CMU citing his good behavior,
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CMU์—์„œ์˜ ์ด๊ฐ์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
05:26
but the warden was overruled
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๊ธฐ๊ฐ๋‹นํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:28
by the Bureau of Prison's Counterterrorism Unit,
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FBI์™€ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๊ด€๋ จ ๊ณต๋™ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
05:31
working with the Joint Terrorism Task Force of the FBI.
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๊ฐ์˜ฅ ๋‚ด ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ ๋ถ€์„œ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์š”.
05:35
Later I found out that McGowan was really sent to a CMU
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์ €๋Š” ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์ด CMU๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€
05:38
not because of what he did,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ํ–‰๋™์ด ์•„๋‹Œ ๋ง ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:40
but what he has said.
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05:42
A memo from the Counterterrorism Unit cited McGowan's "anti-government beliefs."
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ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ ๋ถ€์„œ์—์„œ ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์˜ '๋ฐ˜์ •๋ถ€์  ์‹ ๋…'์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•œ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:48
While imprisoned, he continued writing about environmental issues,
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๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์—๋„ ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธ€์„ ๊ณ„์† ์“ฐ๋ฉด์„œ
05:51
saying that activists must reflect on their mistakes
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ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์šด๋™๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ 
05:54
and listen to each other.
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์„œ๋กœ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๊ท€๊ธฐ์šธ์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
Now, in fairness, if you've spent any time at all in Washington, DC,
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์ด์ œ ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด DC์— ์ž ์‹œ๋ผ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด๋ณด์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด
06:00
you know this is really a radical concept for the government.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ถ€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ชน์‹œ ๊ธ‰์ง„์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
06:04
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:06
I actually asked to visit McGowan in the CMU.
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์ €๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ CMU์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ์š”์ฒญ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
06:10
And I was approved.
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์Šน์ธ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
That came as quite a shock.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
06:14
First, because as I've discussed on this stage before,
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๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ฒซ์งธ๋กœ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ „์— ์ด ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด
06:19
I learned that the FBI has been monitoring my work.
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FBI๊ฐ€ ์ œ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๊ฐ์‹œํ•ด์™”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๊ณ 
06:23
Second, because it would make me the first and only journalist to visit a CMU.
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๋‘˜์งธ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ CMU๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์ž ์œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:29
I had even learned
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ์˜ฅ ๋‚ด ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ ๋ถ€์„œ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
06:30
through the Bureau of Prisons Counterterrorism Unit,
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด CMU์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ €์˜ ๋ฐœ์–ธ๊นŒ์ง€๋„
06:33
that they had been monitoring my speeches about CMUs, like this one.
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๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
So how could I possibly be approved to visit?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ํ—ˆ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
06:43
A few days before I went out to the prison, I got an answer.
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๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ ๋ฉฐ์น  ์ „์— ๋‹ต์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:48
I was allowed to visit McGowan as a friend, not a journalist.
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์ €๋Š” ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์„ ๊ธฐ์ž๋กœ์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:52
Journalists are not allowed here.
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์–ธ๋ก ์ธ์€ CMU์— ํ—ˆ์šฉ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:54
McGowan was told by CMU officials that if I asked any questions
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CMU ๊ด€๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๋„ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
06:58
or published any story,
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์–ด๋–ค ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ผ๋„ ์ถœํŒํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
07:00
that he would be punished for my reporting.
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์ œ ๋ณด๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜๋ฒŒ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:04
When I arrived for our visit, the guards reminded me
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„์ฐฉํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๊ต๋„๊ด€์€
07:06
that they knew who I was and knew about my work.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:09
And they said that if I attempted to interview McGowan,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•˜๋ ค ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋ฉด
07:11
the visit would be terminated.
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๋ฉดํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ข…๋ฃŒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:14
The Bureau of Prisons describes CMUs as "self-contained housing units."
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๊ต๋„๊ตญ์€ CMU๋ฅผ '์ž์กฑ์  ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ ๋‹จ์œ„' ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌ˜์‚ฌํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
07:20
But I think that's an Orwellian way of describing black holes.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ธ”๋ž™ํ™€์„ ๋ฌ˜์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ „์ฒด์ฃผ์˜์  ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:24
When you visit a CMU,
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CMU๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด
07:25
you go through all the security checkpoints that you would expect.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณด์•ˆ ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:29
But then the walk to the visitation room is silent.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฉดํšŒ์‹ค๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธธ์€ ์กฐ์šฉํ•˜์ฃ .
07:33
When a CMU prisoner has a visit, the rest of the prison is on lockdown.
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CMU ์žฌ์†Œ์ž ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ๋ฉดํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ํ์‡„๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:39
I was ushered into a small room,
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์ €๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ์•ˆ๋‚ด๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
07:40
so small my outstretched arms could touch each wall.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘์•„์„œ ํŒ”์„ ํŽด๋ฉด ์–‘์ชฝ ๋ฒฝ์— ๋‹ฟ์„ ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
There was a grapefruit-sized orb in the ceiling
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์ฒœ์žฅ์—๋Š” ์ž๋ชฝ ํฌ๊ธฐ ์ •๋„์˜ ๊ตฌ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
07:47
for the visit to be live-monitored by the Counterterrorism Unit
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์›จ์ŠคํŠธ ๋ฒ„์ง€๋‹ˆ์•„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ ๋ถ€์„œ์—์„œ ๋ฉดํšŒ๋ฅผ
07:50
in West Virginia.
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์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
The unit insists that all the visits have to be in English for CMU prisoners,
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๋ถ€์„œ ์ธก์—์„œ๋Š” CMU ๋ฉดํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ•์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
which is an additional hardship for many of the Muslim families.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์Šฌ๋ฆผ ๊ฐ€์ •์—๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋‚œ๊ด€์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜์ฃ .
08:00
There is a thick sheet of foggy, bulletproof glass
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๋ฐฉ์—๋Š” ๋‘๊ป๊ณ  ๋ฟŒ์—ฐ ๋ฐฉํƒ„ ์œ ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
08:04
and on the other side was Daniel McGowan.
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๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํŽธ์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ์—˜ ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:08
We spoke through these handsets attached to the wall
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋ฒฝ์— ์„ค์น˜๋œ ์ˆ˜ํ™”๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ
08:10
and talked about books and movies.
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์ฑ…์ด๋‚˜ ์˜ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:13
We did our best to find reasons to laugh.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์›ƒ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
To fight boredom and amuse himself while in the CMU,
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CMU์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ
08:19
McGowan had been spreading a rumor that I was secretly the president
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ดDC์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠธ์™€์ผ๋ผ์ž‡ ํŒฌ ํด๋Ÿฝ ํšŒ์žฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š”
08:23
of a Twilight fan club in Washington, DC
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์†Œ๋ฌธ์„ ํผ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋…”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:29
For the record, I'm not.
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์ฐธ๊ณ ๋กœ ์ €๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:32
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:33
But I kind of the hope the FBI now thinks that Bella and Edward
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ œ FBI๊ฐ€ ๋ฒจ๋ผ์™€ ์—๋“œ์›Œ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ ์ฝ”๋“œ๋„ค์ž„์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
08:37
are terrorist code names.
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๋ฏฟ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:39
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:42
During our visit, McGowan spoke most and at length about his niece Lily,
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๋ฉดํšŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ, ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ ์กฐ์นด ๋ฆด๋ฆฌ์™€ ์•„๋‚ด ์ œ๋‹ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด,
08:48
his wife Jenny and how torturous it feels to never be able to hug them,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์†์„ ์žก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
08:54
to never be able to hold their hands.
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ณ ํ†ต์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ๋งŽ์ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:58
Three months after our visit, McGowan was transferred out of the CMU
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๋ฉดํšŒ 3๋‹ฌ ํ›„์—, ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ CMU์—์„œ ์ด๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
09:01
and then, without warning, he was sent back again.
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๊ทธ ํ›„์—, ์•„๋ฌด ํ†ต๋ณด๋„ ์—†์ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ๋ ค๋ณด๋‚ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:05
I had published leaked CMU documents on my website
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์ €๋Š” CMU์—์„œ ์œ ์ถœ๋œ ๋ฌธ์„œ๋“ค์„ ์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ๊ฒŒ์žฌํ–ˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
09:10
and the Counterterrorism Unit said that McGowan had called his wife
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ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์ง€ ๋ณธ๋ถ€์—์„œ๋Š” ๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์ด ๊ทธ์˜ ์•„๋‚ด์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”ํ•ด์„œ
09:13
and asked her to mail them.
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์„œ๋“ค๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์ณ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€ํƒํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:16
He wanted to see what the government was saying about him,
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์€ ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ–ˆ๊ณ 
09:19
and for that he was sent back to the CMU.
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๊ทธ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋‹ค์‹œ CMU๋กœ ๋Œ๋ ค๋ณด๋‚ด์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:21
When he was finally released at the end of his sentence,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํ˜•์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ณ  ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ํ’€๋ ค๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ,
09:24
his story got even more Kafkaesque.
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ๋” ๋ถ€์กฐ๋ฆฌํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
He wrote an article for the Huffington Post headlined,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ํ—ˆํ•‘ํ„ด ํฌ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ์— ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ธ€์„ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:29
"Court Documents Prove I was Sent to a CMU for my Political Speech."
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'๋ฒ•์ • ๋ฌธ์„œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ •์น˜์  ๋ฐœ์–ธ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— CMU์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ์Œ์„ ์ฆ๋ช…ํ•ด์ค€๋‹ค.'
09:34
The next day he was thrown back in jail for his political speech.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ๋‚  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ •์น˜์  ๋ฐœ์–ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ๊ฐ‡ํ˜”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:40
His attorneys quickly secured his release,
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์„๋ฐฉ์‹œ์ผฐ์ง€๋งŒ
09:42
but the message was very clear:
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์ด ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ด ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:45
Don't talk about this place.
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์ด ๊ณณ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ๋ผ.
09:48
Today, nine years after they were opened by the Bush administration,
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๋ถ€์‹œ ์ •๊ถŒ์ด CMU๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ ์ง€ 9๋…„์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ํ˜„์žฌ,
09:53
the government is codifying how and why CMUs were created.
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์ •๋ถ€๋Š” CMU๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ, ์™œ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ์„ฑ๋ฌธํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:57
According to the Bureau of Prisons,
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๊ต๋„๊ตญ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด,
09:59
they are for prisoners with "inspirational significance."
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CMU๋Š” '๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ฃผ๋Š”' ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:04
I think that is very nice way of saying these are political prisons
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒŒ CMU๊ฐ€ ์ •์น˜๋ฒ”์„ ์ˆ˜์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ์ˆ˜์šฉ์†Œ์ž„์„
10:08
for political prisoners.
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์ข‹๊ฒŒ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:10
Prisoners are sent to a CMU because of their race,
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์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์ด CMU์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ์ข…์ด๋‚˜,
10:13
their religion or their political beliefs.
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์ข…๊ต๋‚˜ ์ •์น˜์  ๋ฏฟ์Œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:16
Now, if you think that characterization is too strong,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํŠน์ง•์ง“๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‹ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:19
just look at some of the government's own documents.
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์ •๋ถ€ ๋ฌธ์„œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ๋งŒ ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
10:22
When some of McGowan's mail was rejected by the CMU, the sender was told
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๋งฅ๊ณ ์™„์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ํŽธ์ง€๊ฐ€ CMU ๊ฒ€์—ด์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
10:26
it's because the letters were intended "for political prisoners."
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๋ฐœ์‹ ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ํŽธ์ง€๊ฐ€ '์ •์น˜๋ฒ”์„ ์œ„ํ•œ' ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:31
When another prisoner, animal rights activist Andy Stepanian,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฌ์†Œ์ž์ธ ๋™๋ฌผ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ ์šด๋™๊ฐ€ ์•ค๋”” ์Šคํ…ŒํŒŒ๋‹ˆ์•ˆ์€
10:35
was sent to a CMU, it was because of his anti-government and anti-corporate views.
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๊ทธ์˜ ๋ฐ˜์ •๋ถ€์ ์ด๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๊ธฐ์—…์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— CMU์— ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:41
Now, I know all of this may be hard to believe,
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:44
that it's happening right now, and in the United States.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„์š”.
10:49
But the unknown reality is that the US has a dark history
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์€, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ์ •์น˜์  ๊ฒฌํ•ด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
10:52
of disproportionately punishing people because of their political beliefs.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ถˆ๊ณต์ •ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฒŒํ•œ ์–ด๋‘์šด ์—ญ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:57
In the 1960s, before Marion was home to the CMU,
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์•„์ง CMU๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๊ธฐ ์ „์ธ 1960๋…„๋Œ€์— ๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์–ธ์—๋Š”
11:02
it was home to the notorious Control Unit.
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์•…๋ช… ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:05
Prisoners were locked down in solitary for 22 hours a day.
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์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ 22์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋…๋ฐฉ์— ๊ฐ‡ํ˜€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:10
The warden said the unit was to "control revolutionary attitudes."
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๊ต๋„์†Œ์žฅ์€ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์ด 'ํ˜๋ช…์  ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ํ†ต์ œ'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:16
In the 1980s, another experiment called the Lexington High Security Unit
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๋ ‰์‹ฑํ„ด ๊ณ ๋“ฑ ๋ณด์•ˆ ๋ถ€๋Œ€๋ผ๋Š” ์‹คํ—˜์ด 1980๋…„๋Œ€์— ์‹คํ–‰๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
11:21
held women connected to the Weather Underground,
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์›จ๋” ์ง€ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ตฌ(๊ทน์ขŒ ๊ณผ๊ฒฉ๋‹จ์ฒด)๋‚˜ ํ‘์ธ ํ•ด๋ฐฉ์šด๋™,
11:24
Black Liberation and Puerto Rican independent struggles.
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ํ‘ธ์—๋ฅดํ† ๋ฆฌ์ฝ” ๋…๋ฆฝ์šด๋™๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ๊ธˆํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
The prison radically restricted communication and used sleep deprivation,
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์†Œ์œ„ '์‚ฌ์ƒ ๊ฐœ์กฐ'๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ฒ ์ €ํžˆ ๊ธˆ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ ,
์ˆ˜๋ฉด์„ ๋ฐ•ํƒˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์†Œ์œ„ ์‚ฌ์ƒ๊ฐœ์กฐ์šฉ ์ธ๊ณต ๋ถˆ๋น›์„ ๊ณ„์† ๋น„์ถ”์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:32
and constant light for so-called "ideological conversion."
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11:37
Those prisons were eventually shut down, but only through the campaigning
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์ด ๊ฐ์˜ฅ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ํ์‡„๋์ง€๋งŒ ๊ตญ์ œ ์‚ฌ๋ฉด์œ„์›ํšŒ๊ฐ™์€ ์ธ๊ถŒ๋ณดํ˜ธ๋‹จ์ฒด๋‚˜
11:43
of religious groups and human rights advocates, like Amnesty International.
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์ข…๊ต ๋‹จ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:48
Today, civil rights lawyers with the Center for Constitutional Rights
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ํ˜„์žฌ, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ๊ถŒ๋ณด์žฅ์„ผํ„ฐ(CCR)์˜ ์ธ๊ถŒ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๋“ค์€ ๋ฒ•์ •์—์„œ
11:52
are challenging CMUs in court
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CMU์— ๋งž์„œ ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:54
for depriving prisoners of their due process rights
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์ •๋‹นํ•œ ๋ฒ• ์ ˆ์ฐจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ•ํƒˆํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
11:57
and for retaliating against them
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๋ณดํ˜ธ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•  ์ •์น˜์ , ์ข…๊ต์  ๋ฐœ์–ธ์—
11:59
for their protected political and religious speech.
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๋ณด๋ณต์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:03
Many of these documents would have never come to light without this lawsuit.
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์ด ์†Œ์†ก ์—†์ด๋Š” ์ด ๋ฌธ์„œ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:08
The message of these groups and my message for you today
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์ด ๋‹จ์ฒด๋“ค๊ณผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋Š”
12:13
is that we must bear witness to what is being done to these prisoners.
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์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ–‰ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ์ผ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฆ์ธ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
Their treatment is a reflection of the values held beyond prison walls.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ฒ˜์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฐ์˜ฅ ๋„ˆ๋จธ์—์„œ ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ด€์„ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:22
This story is not just about prisoners.
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์ด๊ฑด ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค๋งŒ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
12:24
It is about us.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:27
It is about our own commitment to human rights.
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์ธ๊ถŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค์˜ ํ—Œ์‹ ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
12:29
It is about whether we will choose to stop repeating the mistakes of our past.
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋”๋Š” ๋˜ํ’€์ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:35
If we don't listen to what Father Berrigan described as the stories of the dead,
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๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฑด ์‹ ๋ถ€๋‹˜์ด ์ฃฝ์€ ์ž๋“ค์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋ฌ˜์‚ฌํ•œ ๋ง์— ๊ท€๊ธฐ์šธ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
12:40
they will soon become the stories of ourselves.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ณง ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:42
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
12:51
(Applause ends)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
12:53
Tom Rielly: I have a couple questions.
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ํ†ฐ ๋ผ์ผ๋ฆฌ: ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:55
When I was in high school, I learned about the Bill of Rights,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™์ƒ ๋•Œ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ ์žฅ์ „๊ณผ ํ—Œ๋ฒ•, ์–ธ๋ก ์˜ ์ž์œ ,
12:59
the Constitution, freedom of speech,
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13:02
due process and about 25 other laws and rights
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๊ณต์ •ํ•œ ์žฌํŒ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ,
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์™ธ์— 25๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ๊ณผ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์› ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
13:07
that seem to be violated by this.
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์œ„๋ฐ˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:09
How could this possibly be happening?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ ?
13:12
Will Potter: I think that's the number one question I get
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์œŒ ํฌํ„ฐ: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์ž๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
13:15
throughout all of my work,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:17
and the short answer is that people don't know.
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์งง๊ฒŒ ๋‹ตํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:20
I think the solution to any of these types of situations, any rights abuses,
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ ์นจํ•ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€
13:24
are really dependent on two things.
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์— ๋‹ฌ๋ ค์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:26
They're dependent on knowledge that it's actually happening
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
13:29
and then a means and efficacy to actually make a change.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ˆ˜๋‹จ๊ณผ ์‹คํšจ์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:33
And unfortunately with these prisoners,
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํžˆ๋„ ์ด ์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
13:35
one, people don't know what's happening at all
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ 
13:38
and then they're already disenfranchised populations
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์žฌ์†Œ์ž๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ•ํƒˆ๋œ ์ธ๊ตฌ์— ์†ํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:41
who don't have access to attorneys, not native English speakers.
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ์™€ ์ ‘์ด‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ , ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ธ๊ตฌ์ฃ .
13:45
In some of these cases, they have great representation that I mentioned,
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋˜ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€๋งŒ,
13:48
but there's just not a public awareness of what's happening.
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๋Œ€์ค‘์€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ธ์‹์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:51
TR: Isn't it guaranteed in prison that you have right to council
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ํ†ฐ: ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์—์„œ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ์™€ ์ ‘์ด‰ํ•  ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
13:54
or access to council?
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๋ณด์žฅ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”?
13:56
WP: There's a tendency in our culture
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์œŒ: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌธํ™”๊ถŒ์—์„œ๋Š”
13:58
to see when people have been convicted of a crime,
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ํ˜์˜๊ฐ€ ์ •๋‹นํ•˜๋“  ํ—ˆ์œ„์ด๋“  ์ƒ๊ด€์—†์ด
14:01
no matter if that charge was bogus or legitimate,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์œ ์ฃ„ ํŒ์ •์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ฉด ์ดํ›„์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”
14:03
that whatever happens to them after that is warranted.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์ด ์ •๋‹นํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:06
And I think that's a really damaging and dangerous narrative that we have,
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์ €๋Š” ์ด ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š”
14:10
that allows these types of things to happen,
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๋งค์šฐ ์œ ํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
as the general public just kind of turns a blind eye to it.
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๋Œ€์ค‘์ด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ชป ๋ณธ ์ฒ™ํ•ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
14:16
TR: All those documents on screen were all real documents, word for word,
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ํ†ฐ: ํ™”๋ฉด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์„œ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ง„์งœ ๋ฌธ์„œ์ด๊ณ 
14:21
unchanged at all, right?
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๋‹จ์–ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„ ๋ณ€ํ˜•๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
14:23
WP: Absolutely. I've actually uploaded all of them to my website.
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์œŒ: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ . ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:26
It's willpotter.com/CMU and it's a footnoted version of the talk,
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wllpotter.com/CMU์ด๊ณ , ๊ฐ•์—ฐ ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋ณด์ถฉ ์„ค๋ช…์ด ๋ถ™์–ด์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:31
so you can see the documents for yourself without the little snippets.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ฌธ์„œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ํŽธ์ง‘๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€
14:34
You can see the full version.
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์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:36
I relied overwhelmingly on primary source documents
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์›๋ณธ ์ž๋ฃŒ๋‚˜ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋งค์ผ ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š”
14:39
or on primary interviews with former and current prisoners,
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๋˜๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ์ž๋ฅผ ์ง์ ‘ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•œ ์ž๋ฃŒ์—
14:42
with people that are dealing with this situation every day.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:45
And like I said, I've been there myself, as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ €๋„ ๊ทธ ๊ณณ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:47
TR: You're doing courageous work.
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ํ†ฐ: ์šฉ๊ฐํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
14:49
WP: Thank you very much. Thank you all.
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์œŒ : ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:51
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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