What we're missing in the debate about immigration | Duarte Geraldino

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: SeungGyu Min ๊ฒ€ํ† : Jihyeon J. Kim
00:13
So, Ma was trying to explain something to me
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์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ํ• ๋จธ๋‹ˆ์™€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ด์•˜๋Š”์ง€
00:15
about Grandma and when they grew up,
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ๋•Œ๋ฉด
00:17
but I couldn't pay attention to her
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๋“ฃ์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:19
because I was five years old, and I was petrified.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹œ ๋‚˜๋Š” 5์‚ด์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฒ์— ์งˆ๋ ค ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
I had just seen The Green Lady.
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"Green Lady"๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ์งํ›„์˜€๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
00:24
Now, about a week earlier, I'd watched that movie "Godzilla,"
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์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ์ „์—” ์ „ ์˜ํ™”"๊ณ ์งˆ๋ผ"๋ฅผ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
the one about that huge lizard-like beast storming a major city,
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๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋„๋งˆ๋ฑ€๊ฐ™์ด ์ƒ๊ธด ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋Œ€๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋ฎ์น˜๋Š”๋ฐ
00:31
and the thought of a green monster coming for me was stuck in my mind.
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์–ด๋ฆด๋•Œ ๋ณธ 'Green Lady"๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:35
And yet there I was, at the tip of Lower Manhattan with my mom,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹œ๋Š” ๋งจํ•ดํ„ด ์•„๋ž˜ ์ง€์—ญ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
00:39
just staring at her:
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์ดˆ๋ก์ƒ‰ ๊ดด๋ฌผ์„ ๊ฐ€๋งŒํžˆ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
her horns,
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๋ฟ”๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
00:42
her muscles --
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๊ทผ์œก๋„ ์žฅ๋‚œ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋†ˆ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
all of it just frightened me.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:44
And I didn't know whether she was a monster or a hero.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ดด๋ฌผ์ธ์ง€ ์˜์›…์ธ์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:49
So I decided to consult the Google of the day --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Google ์—„๋งˆ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
00:52
"Ma! Ma!"
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"์—„๋งˆ! ์—„๋งˆ!"
00:53
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
00:55
My mother explained that The Green Lady is actually the Statue of Liberty
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ดˆ๋ก์ƒ‰ ๊ดด๋ฌผ์€ ์‹ค์€ ์ž์œ ์˜ ์—ฌ์‹ ์ƒ์ด๊ณ 
01:00
and that she was waving immigrants in.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ค๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์†์„ ํ”๋“ค์–ด ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:02
Now, the part of her explanation that really messed with my young head
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์—„๋งˆ์˜ ์„ค๋ช…์€ ๋‚ด ์–ด๋ฆฐ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋กœ๋Š” ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ๋˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
01:06
was the fact that, according to Ma,
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์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๋ง์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด
01:09
long before us,
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์˜›๋‚ ์—
01:11
The Green Lady was actually brown,
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๊ทธ ์ดˆ๋ก์ƒ‰ ์—ฌ์ธ์€ ์ €์™€ ๊ฐ™์€
01:15
brown like me,
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๊ฐˆ์ƒ‰์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:16
and that she changed colors over the years,
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ƒ‰๊น”์ด ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
01:19
much like America.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:21
Now, the part that really is intriguing about this
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์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์ฐธ์œผ๋กœ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€
01:26
is that when she changed colors,
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์ƒ‰๊น”์ด ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
01:28
she made me think about myself.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ๊ฐ€๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:30
It all made sense to me,
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ
01:31
because as a first-generation American,
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1์„ธ๋Œ€ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋กœ์„œ
01:33
I was surrounded by immigrants.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค๋กœ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ธ์—ฌ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:35
In fact, within my immediate social circle of the people who support me,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
01:39
who enrich my life,
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๋‚˜์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ์œคํƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๊ณ 
01:40
at least two are foreign-born.
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์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‘๋ช… ์ด์ƒ์ด ์™ธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:43
My life as a US citizen is in many ways shaped by newcomers,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ ์‚ถ์€ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
01:46
and chances are,
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์•„๋งˆ๋„
01:48
so is yours.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
There are more than 40 million immigrants in the USA.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋Š” 4์ฒœ๋งŒ์ด ๋„˜๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
According to census data,
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์ธ๊ตฌํ†ต๊ณ„์กฐ์‚ฌ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด
01:54
a quarter of the nation's children have at least one foreign-born parent.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์•„์ด๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ ์–ด๋„ 4๋ถ„์˜ 1์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์™ธ๊ตญ ํƒœ์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
I know all these statistics because I study global migration patterns.
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์ด ํ†ต๊ณ„๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ด์ฃผ ์œ ํ˜•์„ ์กฐ์‚ฌํ•ด๋ด์„œ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
I'm a journalist, and for the last few years,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ž๋กœ์„œ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ
02:06
I've been documenting the lives of US citizens
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ๊ธฐ๋ก์œผ๋กœ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
02:09
who've lost people to deportation.
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๊ฐ•์ œ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋‘” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
And the numbers are enormous.
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๊ทธ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์‹ค๋กœ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ๋ฐ์š”.
02:14
From 2008 to 2016,
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2008๋…„์—์„œ 2016๋…„๊นŒ์ง€
02:16
more than three million people were "ordered removed" --
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3๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์†Œ์œ„ "ํ‡ด๊ฑฐ๋ช…๋ น"์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:19
that's the technical term for being deported.
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์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:23
There is an economic, a political, a psychological and an emotional cost
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ถ”๋ฐฉ์กฐ์น˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
02:28
to those deportations --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์ œ, ์ •์น˜, ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •์„œ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์น˜๋ฃจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:30
the moments when these circles are broken.
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์ด๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:33
I once asked a US soldier,
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์€ ๊ตฐ์ธ ํ•œ ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•ด ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
"Why did you volunteer to fight this war?"
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"์™œ ์ž์›ํ•ด์„œ ์ „์žฅ์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?" ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
02:37
And she told me,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ ๊ตฐ์ธ์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ
02:39
"Because I'm proud to defend my country."
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"๋‚ด ์กฐ๊ตญ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:41
But I pressed to know --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €๋Š” ์žฌ์ด‰ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
02:42
"Really, when you're on base,
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"๊ธฐ์ง€์— ๊ณ„์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ
02:44
and you hear bombs exploding in the distance,
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๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ์„œ ํญํƒ„์ด ํ„ฐ์ง€๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์™€
02:46
and you see soldiers coming back who are gravely injured,
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์ค‘์ƒ์„ ์ž…๊ณ  ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋Š” ์ „์šฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š”
02:50
in that moment, when you know you could be next,
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฐจ๋ก€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
02:54
what does 'my country' mean?"
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๊ทธ "์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ"๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์€ ๊ณผ์—ฐ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์˜ฌ๊นŒ์š”?"
02:56
She looked at me.
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๊ทธ ๊ตฐ์ธ์€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ ๋Š”
02:58
"My country is my wife,
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"๋‚ด ์กฐ๊ตญ์€ ๋‚ด ์•„๋‚ด
03:00
my family,
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๋‚ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ
03:01
my friends, my soldiers."
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๋‚ด ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „์šฐ์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
03:03
What she was telling me
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ง์—์„œ
03:04
is that "my country" is a collection of these strong relationships;
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ"์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๋™๋งน์„
03:08
these social circles.
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๋Œ€ํ‘œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:10
When the social circles are weakened,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์†Œ์†๋œ ๊ณตํ†ต์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์•ฝํ™”๋˜๋ฉด
03:12
a country itself is weaker.
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๋‚˜๋ผ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์•ฝํ•ด์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:15
We're missing a crucial aspect in the debate about immigration policy.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ •์ฑ…์˜ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์— ์žˆ์–ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์„ ๊ฐ„๊ณผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
Rather than focusing on individuals,
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๊ฐœ์ธ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”
03:20
we should focus on the circles around them,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชธ๋‹ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋จผ์ € ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
because these are the people who are left behind:
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ์žŠํ˜€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
the voters, the taxpayers,
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์œ ๊ถŒ์ž๋“ค์ด์ž, ์„ธ๊ธˆ์„ ๋‚ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค
03:28
the ones who are suffering that loss.
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฒ„๋ ค์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:31
And it's not just the children of the deported
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์ถ”๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
03:33
who are impacted.
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๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์•„์ด๋“ค๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:34
You have brothers and sisters who are separated by borders.
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๊ตญ๊ฒฝ์„ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋‘๊ณ  ํ˜•์ œ ์ž๋งค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐˆ๋ผ์ ธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
You have classmates, teachers, law enforcement officers,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์˜ ๋ฐ˜์นœ๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค, ๊ตฐ์ธ, ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ๋“ค
03:40
technologists, scientists, doctors,
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž๋“ค, ๊ณผํ•™์ž๋“ค, ์˜์‚ฌ๋“ค๋“ฑ
03:42
who are all scrambling to make sense of new realities
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ด๋“ค์ด ๋’ค์„ž์—ฌ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ˜„์‹ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
when their social circles are broken.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์ด ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ˆ๋ช…์˜ ์œ„๊ธฐ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด์ ธ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:49
These are the real lives behind all these statistics
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ํ†ต๊ณ„์ด๋ฉด์—๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ ์‚ถ์ด ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
that dominate discussions about immigration policy.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด์•ผ ๋ง๋กœ ์ด๋ฏผ ์ •์ฑ…์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:56
But we don't often think about them.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋ฌด๊ด€์‹ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:58
And I'm trying to change that.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์žก๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:59
Here's just one of the real-life stories that I've collected.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ทจ์žฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์‹คํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
And it still haunts me.
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์•„์ง๋„ ์ €๋ฅผ ๊ดด๋กญํžˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
I met Ramon and his son in 2016,
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2016๋…„์— ์ €๋Š” ๋ผ๋ชฌ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์•„๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
the same year both of them were being ordered out of the country.
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๊ทธํ•ด ๊ทธ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ‡ด๊ฑฐ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:14
Ramon was being deported to Latin America,
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๋ผ๋ชฌ์€ ๋‚จ๋ฏธ๋กœ ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
04:18
while his son, who was a sergeant in the US military,
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๊ทธ์˜ ์•„๋“ค์€ ๋ฏธ ์œก๊ตฐ ๋ณ‘์žฅ์œผ๋กœ
04:21
was being deployed.
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ํŒŒ๊ฒฌ ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:24
Deported ...
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์ถ”๋ฐฉ๊ณผ
04:26
deployed.
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ํŒŒ๊ฒฌ
04:28
If you just look at Ramon's case,
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๋ผ๋ชฌ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋งŒ ๋ณด๋”๋ผ๋„
04:31
it wouldn't be clear how deeply connected to the country he is.
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๋ผ๋ชฌ๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๊ด€๋ จ์€ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:35
But consider his son:
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ์˜ ์•„๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š”
04:37
a US citizen defending a country that's banished his father.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์ซ“์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:41
The social circle is what's key here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๊ณต๋™์ฒด์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:43
Here's another example that illustrates those critical bonds.
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ด€๋ จ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:47
A group of citizens in Philadelphia were concerned about their jobs,
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์ผ๋‹จ์˜ ํ•„๋ผ๋ธํ”ผ์•„ ์‹œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์ด ์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฑฑ์ •์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:50
because the legal owner of the restaurant where they worked
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‹๋‹น์ฃผ์ธ์ด
04:53
was an undocumented immigrant,
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๋ถˆ๋ฒ• ์ด๋ฏผ์ž์˜€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:55
and immigration officials had picked him up.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฏธ ์ด๋ฏผ๊ตญ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ฒดํฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:58
They rallied behind him.
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์ง์›๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ์˜ ๋’ค๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ํ–‰์ง„์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
An immigration lawyer argued
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ํ•œ ์ด๋ฏผ์ „๋ฌธ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๋Š”
05:01
he was too important to the local community
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์‹๋‹น์ฃผ์ธ๋„ ํ•„๋ผ๋ธํ”ผ์•„ ์ง€์—ญ์‚ฌํšŒ ๋ฐœ์ „์—
05:03
to be deported.
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๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:04
At the hearing, they even submitted restaurant reviews --
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๊ณตํŒ์ •์—์„œ, ์ง์›๋“ค์€ ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์‹๋‹น์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ œ์ค„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:08
restaurant reviews!
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์ง„์ˆ ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:10
In the end, a judge exercised what's called "judicial discretion"
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ, ํŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์†Œ์œ„ "์ž์œ  ์žฌ๋Ÿ‰๊ถŒ"์„ ํ–‰์‚ฌํ•ด์„œ
05:15
and allowed him to stay in the country,
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์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋ช…๋ น์„ ์ทจ์†Œ์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
but only because they considered the social circle.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด ํŒ๊ฒฐ์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋ฅผ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ ค์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
There are 23 million noncitizens in the USA,
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ํ™•์ธ๋œ ์—ฐ๋ฐฉํ†ต๊ณ„์— ์˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋Š” 2์ฒœ 3๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜
05:26
according to verifiable federal data.
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์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:28
And that doesn't include the undocumented,
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๋“ฑ๋กํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ๋น ์ง„ ํ†ต๊ณ„๋กœ
05:30
because numbers for that population are at best complex estimates.
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๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊นŸํ•ด๋ด์•ผ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์ถ”์ •์น˜์— ์ง€๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
Let's just work with what we have.
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ํŒŒ์•…๋œ ์ˆ˜๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋”ฐ์ ธ ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
That's 23 million social circles --
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2์ฒœ 3๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๋‹จ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:39
about 100 million individuals
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์•ฝ 1์–ต๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜
05:42
whose lives could be impacted by deportation.
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์‚ถ์ด ์ถ”๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:45
And the stress of it all is trickling down through the population.
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์ฃผ๋ฏผ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ๋“ค์ด ์˜ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:49
A 2017 poll by UCLA of LA County residents
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2017๋…„์— LA ์นด์šดํ‹ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฏผ๋“ค์ด ํˆฌํ‘œ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:52
found that 30 percent of citizens in LA County
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๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” LA ํƒ€์šดํ‹ฐ ์ฃผ๋ฏผ๋“ค์˜ 30%๊ฐ€
05:56
are stressed about deportation,
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์ถ”๋ฐฉ์ •์ฑ…์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:59
not because they themselves could be removed,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:02
but rather, because members of their social circle were at risk.
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์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋ถ•๊ดด๋  ์œ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งž์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
I am not suggesting that no one should ever be deported;
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ถ”๋ฐฉ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š”
06:10
don't confuse me with that.
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์˜คํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
But what I am saying is that we need to look at the bigger picture.
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๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋กœ, ์ข€ ๋” ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ทธ๋ ค๋ณด์‹œ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:17
If you are within the sound of my voice,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๊ท€๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์šธ์—ฌ ์ฃผ์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
06:20
I want you to close your eyes for a moment
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์ž ์‹œ๋งŒ ๋ˆˆ์„ ๊ฐ์•„ ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์š”.
06:22
and examine your own social circle.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์ด ์†ํ•œ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋Œ์•„ ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์š”.
06:25
Who are your foreign-born?
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™ธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜์‹  ๋ถ„ ๊ณ„์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
06:28
What would it feel like if the circle were broken?
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ง‘๋‹จ์ด ์—†์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
06:32
Share your story.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ณผ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:34
I'm building a global archive of first-person accounts
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์„ ์ฐฉ์ˆœ ๊ณ„์ •์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:37
and linking them with mapping technology,
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๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
so that we can see exactly where these circles break,
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌํšŒ์ง‘๋‹จ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ๋ถ•๊ดด๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:43
because this is not just an American issue.
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์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๋งŒ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:46
There are a quarter-billion migrants around the world;
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ์ง€๊ตฌ์—๋Š” 2์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ์˜ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:50
people living, loving and learning in countries where they were not born.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ณณ์„ ๋– ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฐฐ์›€์„ ์ตํžˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:54
And in my career, in my life, I've been one of them:
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์ œ ์ง์—…๊ณผ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์ €๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ถ์„ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:56
in China, in Africa, in Europe.
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์ค‘๊ตญ, ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด, ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์˜ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์€ ๋‚ด ์‚ถ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:59
And each time I become one of these foreigners --
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๋‚˜๋„ ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚„ ์ ๋งˆ๋‹ค
07:02
one of these strange-looking guys in a new land --
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์ด ์‹ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ํ•œ ์ด๋ฐฉ์ธ ์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ธ
07:06
I can't help but think back to that day
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:08
when I was in Lower Manhattan with my mom
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งจํ•˜ํƒ„ ์•„๋ž˜์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ์—„๋งˆ์™€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ ์˜ ์ถ”์–ต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:10
all those decades ago,
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๋ฒŒ์จ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ๋…„ ์ „
07:12
when I was scared,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฒ์„ ์ง‘์–ด๋จน๊ณ 
07:14
and I had just spotted that green lady.
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๊ทธ ์ดˆ๋ก์ƒ‰ ๊ดด๋ฌผ์„ ๋ดค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:17
And I guess the question that I keep on thinking about
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ดด๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด
07:21
when I see her
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์ € ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ˜๋ฌธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:23
and all the younger replicas of her that are so obviously brown,
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ด๋„ ๊ทธ๋…€์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐˆ์ƒ‰์ธ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์•„์ด์™€
07:27
and even the paintings that showcase her in the beginning
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์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต์ด
07:30
as not quite green --
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์ดˆ๋ก์ƒ‰์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค์ด ๋–  ์˜ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:33
when I look at all of that,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ
07:36
the question that my research seeks to answer
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์ œ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ตํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š”
07:39
becomes, to me, the same one that confounded me all those years ago:
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์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋น ์ง€๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
Is she a monster
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ดด๋ฌผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:47
or a hero?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์˜์›…์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:49
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:50
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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