The neuroscience of restorative justice | Dan Reisel

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I'd like to talk today
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about how we can change our brains
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and our society.
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Meet Joe.
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Joe's 32 years old and a murderer.
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I met Joe 13 years ago on the lifer wing
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at Wormwood Scrubs high-security prison in London.
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I'd like you to imagine this place.
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It looks and feels like it sounds:
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Wormwood Scrubs.
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Built at the end of the Victorian Era
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by the inmates themselves,
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it is where England's most dangerous prisoners are kept.
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These individuals have committed acts
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of unspeakable evil.
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And I was there to study their brains.
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I was part of a team of researchers
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from University College London,
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on a grant from the U.K. department of health.
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My task was to study a group of inmates
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who had been clinically diagnosed as psychopaths.
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That meant they were the most
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callous and the most aggressive
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of the entire prison population.
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What lay at the root of their behavior?
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Was there a neurological cause for their condition?
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And if there was a neurological cause,
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could we find a cure?
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So I'd like to speak about change, and especially about emotional change.
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Growing up, I was always intrigued
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by how people change.
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My mother, a clinical psychotherapist,
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would occasionally see patients at home
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in the evening.
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She would shut the door to the living room,
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and I imagined
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magical things happened in that room.
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At the age of five or six
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I would creep up in my pajamas
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and sit outside with my ear glued to the door.
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On more than one occasion, I fell asleep
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and they had to push me out of the way
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at the end of the session.
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And I suppose that's how I found myself
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walking into the secure interview room
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on my first day at Wormwood Scrubs.
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Joe sat across a steel table
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and greeted me with this blank expression.
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The prison warden, looking equally indifferent,
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said, "Any trouble, just press the red buzzer,
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and we'll be around as soon as we can."
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(Laughter)
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I sat down.
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The heavy metal door slammed shut behind me.
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I looked up at the red buzzer
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far behind Joe on the opposite wall.
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(Laughter)
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I looked at Joe.
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Perhaps detecting my concern,
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he leaned forward, and said,
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as reassuringly as he could,
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"Ah, don't worry about the buzzer,
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it doesn't work anyway."
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(Laughter)
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Over the subsequent months,
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we tested Joe and his fellow inmates,
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looking specifically at their ability
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to categorize different images of emotion.
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And we looked at their physical response
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to those emotions.
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So, for example, when most of us look
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at a picture like this of somebody looking sad,
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we instantly have a slight,
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measurable physical response:
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increased heart rate, sweating of the skin.
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Whilst the psychopaths in our study were able
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to describe the pictures accurately,
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they failed to show the emotions required.
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They failed to show a physical response.
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It was as though they knew the words
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but not the music of empathy.
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So we wanted to look closer at this
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to use MRI to image their brains.
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That turned out to be not such an easy task.
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Imagine transporting a collection
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of clinical psychopaths across central London
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in shackles and handcuffs
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in rush hour,
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and in order to place each of them in an MRI scanner,
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you have to remove all metal objects,
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including shackles and handcuffs,
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and, as I learned, all body piercings.
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After some time, however, we had a tentative answer.
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These individuals were not just the victims
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of a troubled childhood.
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There was something else.
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People like Joe have a deficit in a brain area
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called the amygdala.
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The amygdala is an almond-shaped organ
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deep within each of the hemispheres of the brain.
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It is thought to be key to the experience of empathy.
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Normally, the more empathic a person is,
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the larger and more active their amygdala is.
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Our population of inmates
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had a deficient amygdala,
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which likely led to their lack of empathy
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and to their immoral behavior.
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So let's take a step back.
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Normally, acquiring moral behavior
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is simply part of growing up,
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like learning to speak.
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At the age of six months, virtually every one of us
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is able to differentiate between animate and inanimate objects.
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At the age of 12 months,
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most children are able to imitate
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the purposeful actions of others.
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So for example, your mother raises her hands
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to stretch, and you imitate her behavior.
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At first, this isn't perfect.
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I remember my cousin Sasha,
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two years old at the time,
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looking through a picture book
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and licking one finger and flicking the page with the other hand,
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licking one finger and flicking the page with the other hand.
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(Laughter)
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Bit by bit, we build the foundations of the social brain
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so that by the time we're three, four years old,
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most children, not all,
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have acquired the ability to understand
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the intentions of others,
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another prerequisite for empathy.
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The fact that this developmental progression
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is universal,
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irrespective of where you live in the world
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or which culture you inhabit,
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strongly suggests that the foundations
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of moral behavior are inborn.
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If you doubt this,
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try, as I've done, to renege on a promise you've made
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to a four-year-old.
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You will find that the mind of a four-year old
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is not naΓ―ve in the slightest.
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It is more akin to a Swiss army knife
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with fixed mental modules
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finely honed during development
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and a sharp sense of fairness.
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The early years are crucial.
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There seems to be a window of opportunity,
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after which mastering moral questions
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becomes more difficult,
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like adults learning a foreign language.
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That's not to say it's impossible.
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A recent, wonderful study from Stanford University
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showed that people who have played
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a virtual reality game in which they took on
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the role of a good and helpful superhero
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actually became more caring and helpful
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towards others afterwards.
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Now I'm not suggesting
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we endow criminals with superpowers,
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but I am suggesting that we need to find ways
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to get Joe and people like him
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to change their brains and their behavior,
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for their benefit
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and for the benefit of the rest of us.
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So can brains change?
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For over 100 years,
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neuroanatomists and later neuroscientists
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held the view that after initial development in childhood,
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no new brain cells could grow
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in the adult human brain.
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The brain could only change
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within certain set limits.
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That was the dogma.
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But then, in the 1990s,
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studies starting showing,
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following the lead of Elizabeth Gould at Princeton and others,
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studies started showing the evidence of neurogenesis,
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the birth of new brain cells
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in the adult mammalian brain,
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first in the olfactory bulb,
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which is responsible for our sense of smell,
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then in the hippocampus
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involving short-term memory,
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and finally in the amygdala itself.
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In order to understand
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how this process works,
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I left the psychopaths and joined a lab in Oxford
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specializing in learning and development.
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Instead of psychopaths, I studied mice,
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because the same pattern of brain responses
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appears across many different species of social animals.
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So if you rear a mouse in a standard cage,
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a shoebox, essentially, with cotton wool,
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alone and without much stimulation,
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not only does it not thrive,
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but it will often develop strange,
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repetitive behaviors.
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This naturally sociable animal
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will lose its ability to bond with other mice,
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even becoming aggressive when introduced to them.
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However, mice reared in what we called
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an enriched environment,
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a large habitation with other mice
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with wheels and ladders and areas to explore,
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demonstrate neurogenesis,
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the birth of new brain cells,
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and as we showed, they also perform better
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on a range of learning and memory tasks.
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Now, they don't develop morality to the point of
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carrying the shopping bags of little old mice
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across the street,
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but their improved environment results in healthy,
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sociable behavior.
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Mice reared in a standard cage, by contrast,
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not dissimilar, you might say, from a prison cell,
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have dramatically lower levels of new neurons
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in the brain.
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It is now clear that the amygdala of mammals,
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including primates like us,
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can show neurogenesis.
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In some areas of the brain,
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more than 20 percent of cells are newly formed.
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We're just beginning to understand
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what exact function these cells have,
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but what it implies is that the brain is capable
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of extraordinary change way into adulthood.
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However, our brains are also
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exquisitely sensitive to stress in our environment.
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Stress hormones, glucocorticoids,
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released by the brain,
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suppress the growth of these new cells.
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The more stress, the less brain development,
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which in turn causes less adaptability
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and causes higher stress levels.
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This is the interplay between nature and nurture
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in real time in front of our eyes.
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When you think about it,
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it is ironic that our current solution
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for people with stressed amygdalae
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is to place them in an environment
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that actually inhibits any chance of further growth.
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Of course, imprisonment is a necessary part
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of the criminal justice system
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and of protecting society.
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Our research does not suggest
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that criminals should submit their MRI scans
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as evidence in court
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and get off the hook because they've got a faulty amygdala.
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The evidence is actually the other way.
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Because our brains are capable of change,
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we need to take responsibility for our actions,
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and they need to take responsibility
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for their rehabilitation.
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One way such rehabilitation might work
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is through restorative justice programs.
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Here victims, if they choose to participate,
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and perpetrators meet face to face
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in safe, structured encounters,
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and the perpetrator is encouraged
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to take responsibility for their actions,
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and the victim plays an active role in the process.
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In such a setting, the perpetrator can see,
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perhaps for the first time,
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the victim as a real person
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with thoughts and feelings and a genuine
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emotional response.
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This stimulates the amygdala
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and may be a more effective rehabilitative practice
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than simple incarceration.
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Such programs won't work for everyone,
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but for many, it could be a way
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to break the frozen sea within.
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So what can we do now?
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How can we apply this knowledge?
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I'd like to leave you with
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three lessons that I learned.
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The first thing that I learned was that
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we need to change our mindset.
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Since Wormwood Scrubs was built 130 years ago,
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society has advanced in virtually every aspect,
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in the way we run our schools, our hospitals.
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Yet the moment we speak about prisons,
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it's as though we're back in Dickensian times,
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if not medieval times.
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For too long, I believe,
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we've allowed ourselves to be persuaded
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of the false notion that human nature cannot change,
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and as a society, it's costing us dearly.
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We know that the brain is capable of extraordinary change,
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and the best way to achieve that,
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even in adults, is to change and modulate
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our environment.
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The second thing I have learned
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is that we need to create an alliance
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of people who believe that science is integral
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to bringing about social change.
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It's easy enough for a neuroscientist to place
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a high-security inmate in an MRI scanner.
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Well actually, that turns out not to be so easy,
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but ultimately what we want to show
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is whether we're able to reduce the reoffending rates.
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In order to answer complex questions like that,
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we need people of different backgrounds --
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lab-based scientists and clinicians,
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social workers and policy makers,
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philanthropists and human rights activists β€”
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to work together.
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Finally, I believe we need
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to change our own amygdalae,
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because this issue goes to the heart
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not just of who Joe is,
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but who we are.
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We need to change our view of Joe
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as someone wholly irredeemable,
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because if we see Joe as wholly irredeemable,
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how is he going to see himself as any different?
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In another decade, Joe will be released
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from Wormwood Scrubs.
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Will he be among the 70 percent of inmates
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who end up reoffending
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and returning to the prison system?
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Wouldn't it be better if, while serving his sentence,
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Joe was able to train his amygdala,
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which would stimulate the growth of new brain cells
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and connections,
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so that he will be able to face the world
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once he gets released?
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Surely, that would be in the interest of all of us.
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(Applause)
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Thank you. (Applause)
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