How Quantum Biology Might Explain Life’s Biggest Questions | Jim Al-Khalili | TED Talks

1,056,129 views

2015-09-16 ・ TED


New videos

How Quantum Biology Might Explain Life’s Biggest Questions | Jim Al-Khalili | TED Talks

1,056,129 views ・ 2015-09-16

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:13
I'd like to introduce you to an emerging area of science,
0
13190
4528
00:17
one that is still speculative but hugely exciting,
1
17742
3943
00:21
and certainly one that's growing very rapidly.
2
21709
2629
00:25
Quantum biology asks a very simple question:
3
25448
4048
00:29
Does quantum mechanics --
4
29520
1350
00:30
that weird and wonderful and powerful theory
5
30894
3302
00:34
of the subatomic world of atoms and molecules
6
34220
2688
00:36
that underpins so much of modern physics and chemistry --
7
36932
3488
00:40
also play a role inside the living cell?
8
40444
3412
00:43
In other words: Are there processes, mechanisms, phenomena
9
43880
4079
00:47
in living organisms that can only be explained
10
47983
3988
00:51
with a helping hand from quantum mechanics?
11
51995
2743
00:55
Now, quantum biology isn't new;
12
55546
1637
00:57
it's been around since the early 1930s.
13
57207
2401
00:59
But it's only in the last decade or so that careful experiments --
14
59928
3715
01:03
in biochemistry labs, using spectroscopy --
15
63667
3464
01:07
have shown very clear, firm evidence that there are certain specific mechanisms
16
67155
6863
01:14
that require quantum mechanics to explain them.
17
74042
2511
01:17
Quantum biology brings together quantum physicists, biochemists,
18
77674
3329
01:21
molecular biologists -- it's a very interdisciplinary field.
19
81027
3641
01:24
I come from quantum physics, so I'm a nuclear physicist.
20
84692
3929
01:28
I've spent more than three decades
21
88645
2265
01:30
trying to get my head around quantum mechanics.
22
90934
2929
01:33
One of the founders of quantum mechanics, Niels Bohr,
23
93887
2493
01:36
said, If you're not astonished by it, then you haven't understood it.
24
96404
3350
01:40
So I sort of feel happy that I'm still astonished by it.
25
100237
2843
01:43
That's a good thing.
26
103104
1745
01:44
But it means I study the very smallest structures in the universe --
27
104873
6885
01:51
the building blocks of reality.
28
111782
2075
01:53
If we think about the scale of size,
29
113881
3215
01:57
start with an everyday object like the tennis ball,
30
117120
2952
02:00
and just go down orders of magnitude in size --
31
120096
2901
02:03
from the eye of a needle down to a cell, down to a bacterium, down to an enzyme --
32
123021
5197
02:08
you eventually reach the nano-world.
33
128242
1729
02:09
Now, nanotechnology may be a term you've heard of.
34
129995
2495
02:12
A nanometer is a billionth of a meter.
35
132841
2853
02:16
My area is the atomic nucleus, which is the tiny dot inside an atom.
36
136560
4370
02:20
It's even smaller in scale.
37
140954
1932
02:22
This is the domain of quantum mechanics,
38
142910
1918
02:24
and physicists and chemists have had a long time
39
144852
2516
02:27
to try and get used to it.
40
147392
1301
02:29
Biologists, on the other hand, have got off lightly, in my view.
41
149248
4457
02:34
They are very happy with their balls-and-sticks models of molecules.
42
154071
4331
02:38
(Laughter)
43
158426
1082
02:39
The balls are the atoms, the sticks are the bonds between the atoms.
44
159532
3198
02:42
And when they can't build them physically in the lab,
45
162754
2494
02:45
nowadays, they have very powerful computers
46
165272
2392
02:47
that will simulate a huge molecule.
47
167688
1967
02:49
This is a protein made up of 100,000 atoms.
48
169679
3664
02:54
It doesn't really require much in the way of quantum mechanics to explain it.
49
174003
4335
02:59
Quantum mechanics was developed in the 1920s.
50
179695
2889
03:02
It is a set of beautiful and powerful mathematical rules and ideas
51
182965
6880
03:09
that explain the world of the very small.
52
189869
2608
03:12
And it's a world that's very different from our everyday world,
53
192501
3372
03:15
made up of trillions of atoms.
54
195897
1519
03:17
It's a world built on probability and chance.
55
197440
3557
03:21
It's a fuzzy world.
56
201818
1302
03:23
It's a world of phantoms,
57
203144
1730
03:24
where particles can also behave like spread-out waves.
58
204898
3348
03:30
If we imagine quantum mechanics or quantum physics, then,
59
210157
2862
03:33
as the fundamental foundation of reality itself,
60
213043
5214
03:38
then it's not surprising that we say
61
218281
1730
03:40
quantum physics underpins organic chemistry.
62
220035
2420
03:42
After all, it gives us the rules that tell us
63
222479
2120
03:44
how the atoms fit together to make organic molecules.
64
224623
2641
03:47
Organic chemistry, scaled up in complexity,
65
227288
3239
03:50
gives us molecular biology, which of course leads to life itself.
66
230551
3322
03:54
So in a way, it's sort of not surprising.
67
234174
1977
03:56
It's almost trivial.
68
236175
1214
03:57
You say, "Well, of course life ultimately must depend of quantum mechanics."
69
237413
4220
04:02
But so does everything else.
70
242141
2390
04:04
So does all inanimate matter, made up of trillions of atoms.
71
244555
3615
04:08
Ultimately, there's a quantum level
72
248501
4878
04:13
where we have to delve into this weirdness.
73
253403
2183
04:15
But in everyday life, we can forget about it.
74
255610
2416
04:18
Because once you put together trillions of atoms,
75
258404
3199
04:21
that quantum weirdness just dissolves away.
76
261627
2615
04:27
Quantum biology isn't about this.
77
267288
2569
04:29
Quantum biology isn't this obvious.
78
269881
2556
04:32
Of course quantum mechanics underpins life at some molecular level.
79
272461
4229
04:37
Quantum biology is about looking for the non-trivial --
80
277254
6004
04:43
the counterintuitive ideas in quantum mechanics --
81
283282
4476
04:47
and to see if they do, indeed, play an important role
82
287782
3015
04:50
in describing the processes of life.
83
290821
2452
04:54
Here is my perfect example of the counterintuitiveness
84
294653
5220
04:59
of the quantum world.
85
299897
1446
05:01
This is the quantum skier.
86
301367
1251
05:02
He seems to be intact, he seems to be perfectly healthy,
87
302642
2640
05:05
and yet, he seems to have gone around both sides of that tree at the same time.
88
305306
4127
05:09
Well, if you saw tracks like that
89
309457
1663
05:11
you'd guess it was some sort of stunt, of course.
90
311144
2309
05:13
But in the quantum world, this happens all the time.
91
313477
2591
05:16
Particles can multitask, they can be in two places at once.
92
316864
3026
05:19
They can do more than one thing at the same time.
93
319914
2328
05:22
Particles can behave like spread-out waves.
94
322266
2643
05:25
It's almost like magic.
95
325298
1599
05:27
Physicists and chemists have had nearly a century
96
327538
2749
05:30
of trying to get used to this weirdness.
97
330311
2646
05:33
I don't blame the biologists
98
333445
1350
05:34
for not having to or wanting to learn quantum mechanics.
99
334819
2635
05:37
You see, this weirdness is very delicate;
100
337478
3198
05:40
and we physicists work very hard to maintain it in our labs.
101
340700
4450
05:45
We cool our system down to near absolute zero,
102
345174
4204
05:49
we carry out our experiments in vacuums,
103
349402
1945
05:51
we try and isolate it from any external disturbance.
104
351371
3527
05:55
That's very different from the warm, messy, noisy environment of a living cell.
105
355602
5078
06:01
Biology itself, if you think of molecular biology,
106
361960
2787
06:04
seems to have done very well in describing all the processes of life
107
364771
3457
06:08
in terms of chemistry -- chemical reactions.
108
368252
2486
06:10
And these are reductionist, deterministic chemical reactions,
109
370762
4850
06:15
showing that, essentially, life is made of the same stuff as everything else,
110
375636
5114
06:20
and if we can forget about quantum mechanics in the macro world,
111
380774
3060
06:23
then we should be able to forget about it in biology, as well.
112
383858
3246
06:27
Well, one man begged to differ with this idea.
113
387706
3364
06:32
Erwin Schrödinger, of Schrödinger's Cat fame,
114
392062
3469
06:35
was an Austrian physicist.
115
395555
1317
06:36
He was one of the founders of quantum mechanics in the 1920s.
116
396896
3183
06:40
In 1944, he wrote a book called "What is Life?"
117
400663
2707
06:43
It was tremendously influential.
118
403839
1731
06:45
It influenced Francis Crick and James Watson,
119
405594
2881
06:48
the discoverers of the double-helix structure of DNA.
120
408499
2523
06:51
To paraphrase a description in the book, he says:
121
411343
3668
06:55
At the molecular level, living organisms have a certain order,
122
415035
5786
07:00
a structure to them that's very different
123
420845
3232
07:04
from the random thermodynamic jostling of atoms and molecules
124
424101
4736
07:08
in inanimate matter of the same complexity.
125
428861
3706
07:13
In fact, living matter seems to behave in this order, in a structure,
126
433504
5014
07:18
just like inanimate matter cooled down to near absolute zero,
127
438542
3834
07:22
where quantum effects play a very important role.
128
442400
3033
07:26
There's something special about the structure -- the order --
129
446280
4160
07:30
inside a living cell.
130
450464
1560
07:32
So, Schrödinger speculated that maybe quantum mechanics plays a role in life.
131
452048
5293
07:38
It's a very speculative, far-reaching idea,
132
458096
3425
07:41
and it didn't really go very far.
133
461545
2873
07:45
But as I mentioned at the start,
134
465536
1533
07:47
in the last 10 years, there have been experiments emerging,
135
467093
2799
07:49
showing where some of these certain phenomena in biology
136
469916
4055
07:53
do seem to require quantum mechanics.
137
473995
1763
07:55
I want to share with you just a few of the exciting ones.
138
475782
3123
08:00
This is one of the best-known phenomena in the quantum world,
139
480215
3707
08:03
quantum tunneling.
140
483946
1701
08:05
The box on the left shows the wavelike, spread-out distribution
141
485671
4389
08:10
of a quantum entity -- a particle, like an electron,
142
490084
2761
08:12
which is not a little ball bouncing off a wall.
143
492869
3637
08:16
It's a wave that has a certain probability of being able to permeate
144
496530
4739
08:21
through a solid wall, like a phantom leaping through to the other side.
145
501293
3406
08:24
You can see a faint smudge of light in the right-hand box.
146
504723
4098
08:29
Quantum tunneling suggests that a particle can hit an impenetrable barrier,
147
509773
4612
08:34
and yet somehow, as though by magic,
148
514409
2460
08:36
disappear from one side and reappear on the other.
149
516893
2444
08:39
The nicest way of explaining it is if you want to throw a ball over a wall,
150
519658
4251
08:43
you have to give it enough energy to get over the top of the wall.
151
523933
3577
08:47
In the quantum world, you don't have to throw it over the wall,
152
527534
3058
08:50
you can throw it at the wall, and there's a certain non-zero probability
153
530616
3407
08:54
that it'll disappear on your side, and reappear on the other.
154
534047
3323
08:57
This isn't speculation, by the way.
155
537394
1678
08:59
We're happy -- well, "happy" is not the right word --
156
539096
3396
09:02
(Laughter)
157
542516
2045
09:04
we are familiar with this.
158
544585
1618
09:06
(Laughter)
159
546227
2745
09:08
Quantum tunneling takes place all the time;
160
548996
2294
09:11
in fact, it's the reason our Sun shines.
161
551314
2667
09:14
The particles fuse together,
162
554655
1509
09:16
and the Sun turns hydrogen into helium through quantum tunneling.
163
556188
3698
09:21
Back in the 70s and 80s, it was discovered that quantum tunneling also takes place
164
561464
5220
09:26
inside living cells.
165
566708
1192
09:28
Enzymes, those workhorses of life, the catalysts of chemical reactions --
166
568290
6266
09:34
enzymes are biomolecules that speed up chemical reactions in living cells,
167
574580
4166
09:38
by many, many orders of magnitude.
168
578770
1703
09:40
And it's always been a mystery how they do this.
169
580497
2784
09:43
Well, it was discovered
170
583650
1189
09:44
that one of the tricks that enzymes have evolved to make use of,
171
584863
4852
09:49
is by transferring subatomic particles, like electrons and indeed protons,
172
589739
5228
09:54
from one part of a molecule to another via quantum tunneling.
173
594991
4661
10:00
It's efficient, it's fast, it can disappear --
174
600333
2851
10:03
a proton can disappear from one place, and reappear on the other.
175
603208
3111
10:06
Enzymes help this take place.
176
606343
1629
10:08
This is research that's been carried out back in the 80s,
177
608548
2683
10:11
particularly by a group in Berkeley, Judith Klinman.
178
611255
4037
10:15
Other groups in the UK have now also confirmed
179
615316
2205
10:17
that enzymes really do this.
180
617545
1411
10:21
Research carried out by my group --
181
621048
2549
10:23
so as I mentioned, I'm a nuclear physicist,
182
623621
2434
10:26
but I've realized I've got these tools of using quantum mechanics
183
626079
3055
10:29
in atomic nuclei, and so can apply those tools in other areas as well.
184
629158
5085
10:35
One question we asked
185
635404
1810
10:37
is whether quantum tunneling plays a role in mutations in DNA.
186
637238
4298
10:41
Again, this is not a new idea; it goes all the way back to the early 60s.
187
641843
3660
10:45
The two strands of DNA, the double-helix structure,
188
645527
2961
10:48
are held together by rungs; it's like a twisted ladder.
189
648512
2823
10:51
And those rungs of the ladder are hydrogen bonds --
190
651359
3507
10:54
protons, that act as the glue between the two strands.
191
654890
3790
10:58
So if you zoom in, what they're doing is holding these large molecules --
192
658704
4750
11:03
nucleotides -- together.
193
663478
1607
11:06
Zoom in a bit more.
194
666130
1150
11:07
So, this a computer simulation.
195
667304
1916
11:09
The two white balls in the middle are protons,
196
669855
3542
11:13
and you can see that it's a double hydrogen bond.
197
673421
2299
11:15
One prefers to sit on one side; the other, on the other side
198
675744
3314
11:19
of the two strands of the vertical lines going down, which you can't see.
199
679082
4558
11:24
It can happen that these two protons can hop over.
200
684410
3395
11:27
Watch the two white balls.
201
687829
1436
11:29
They can jump over to the other side.
202
689748
1998
11:32
If the two strands of DNA then separate, leading to the process of replication,
203
692239
5646
11:37
and the two protons are in the wrong positions,
204
697909
3199
11:41
this can lead to a mutation.
205
701132
1763
11:43
This has been known for half a century.
206
703204
1872
11:45
The question is: How likely are they to do that,
207
705100
2343
11:47
and if they do, how do they do it?
208
707467
2378
11:49
Do they jump across, like the ball going over the wall?
209
709869
3019
11:52
Or can they quantum-tunnel across, even if they don't have enough energy?
210
712912
3502
11:57
Early indications suggest that quantum tunneling can play a role here.
211
717089
4252
12:01
We still don't know yet how important it is;
212
721365
2124
12:03
this is still an open question.
213
723513
1792
12:06
It's speculative,
214
726199
1150
12:07
but it's one of those questions that is so important
215
727373
2643
12:10
that if quantum mechanics plays a role in mutations,
216
730040
2446
12:12
surely this must have big implications,
217
732510
2299
12:14
to understand certain types of mutations,
218
734833
2694
12:17
possibly even those that lead to turning a cell cancerous.
219
737551
3756
12:22
Another example of quantum mechanics in biology is quantum coherence,
220
742803
5299
12:28
in one of the most important processes in biology,
221
748126
2353
12:30
photosynthesis: plants and bacteria taking sunlight,
222
750503
3941
12:34
and using that energy to create biomass.
223
754468
2954
12:38
Quantum coherence is the idea of quantum entities multitasking.
224
758215
4152
12:42
It's the quantum skier.
225
762912
1604
12:44
It's an object that behaves like a wave,
226
764540
2952
12:47
so that it doesn't just move in one direction or the other,
227
767516
2902
12:50
but can follow multiple pathways at the same time.
228
770442
3320
12:54
Some years ago, the world of science was shocked
229
774708
3916
12:58
when a paper was published showing experimental evidence
230
778648
3584
13:02
that quantum coherence takes place inside bacteria,
231
782256
3776
13:06
carrying out photosynthesis.
232
786056
1686
13:07
The idea is that the photon, the particle of light, the sunlight,
233
787766
3064
13:10
the quantum of light captured by a chlorophyll molecule,
234
790854
3344
13:14
is then delivered to what's called the reaction center,
235
794222
2591
13:16
where it can be turned into chemical energy.
236
796837
2064
13:18
And in getting there, it doesn't just follow one route;
237
798925
2648
13:21
it follows multiple pathways at once,
238
801597
2215
13:23
to optimize the most efficient way of reaching the reaction center
239
803836
4337
13:28
without dissipating as waste heat.
240
808197
1721
13:31
Quantum coherence taking place inside a living cell.
241
811228
3309
13:34
A remarkable idea,
242
814561
2120
13:36
and yet evidence is growing almost weekly, with new papers coming out,
243
816705
6235
13:42
confirming that this does indeed take place.
244
822964
2212
13:45
My third and final example is the most beautiful, wonderful idea.
245
825555
4739
13:50
It's also still very speculative, but I have to share it with you.
246
830318
4063
13:54
The European robin migrates from Scandinavia
247
834405
4612
13:59
down to the Mediterranean, every autumn,
248
839041
2635
14:01
and like a lot of other marine animals and even insects,
249
841700
3373
14:05
they navigate by sensing the Earth's magnetic field.
250
845097
4300
14:10
Now, the Earth's magnetic field is very, very weak;
251
850968
2427
14:13
it's 100 times weaker than a fridge magnet,
252
853419
2080
14:15
and yet it affects the chemistry -- somehow -- within a living organism.
253
855523
5601
14:21
That's not in doubt -- a German couple of ornithologists,
254
861932
3806
14:25
Wolfgang and Roswitha Wiltschko, in the 1970s, confirmed that indeed,
255
865762
4260
14:30
the robin does find its way by somehow sensing the Earth's magnetic field,
256
870046
3977
14:34
to give it directional information -- a built-in compass.
257
874047
3327
14:37
The puzzle, the mystery was: How does it do it?
258
877398
2249
14:40
Well, the only theory in town --
259
880351
3030
14:43
we don't know if it's the correct theory, but the only theory in town --
260
883405
3436
14:46
is that it does it via something called quantum entanglement.
261
886865
2984
14:50
Inside the robin's retina --
262
890567
2374
14:52
I kid you not -- inside the robin's retina is a protein called cryptochrome,
263
892965
4232
14:57
which is light-sensitive.
264
897221
1380
14:58
Within cryptochrome, a pair of electrons are quantum-entangled.
265
898625
3939
15:02
Now, quantum entanglement is when two particles are far apart,
266
902588
3232
15:05
and yet somehow remain in contact with each other.
267
905844
2834
15:08
Even Einstein hated this idea;
268
908991
1446
15:10
he called it "spooky action at a distance."
269
910461
2039
15:12
(Laughter)
270
912524
1881
15:14
So if Einstein doesn't like it, then we can all be uncomfortable with it.
271
914429
3443
15:17
Two quantum-entangled electrons within a single molecule
272
917896
2853
15:20
dance a delicate dance
273
920773
1471
15:22
that is very sensitive to the direction the bird flies
274
922268
2541
15:24
in the Earth's magnetic field.
275
924833
1531
15:26
We don't know if it's the correct explanation,
276
926848
2610
15:29
but wow, wouldn't it be exciting if quantum mechanics helps birds navigate?
277
929482
4544
15:35
Quantum biology is still in it infancy.
278
935069
2721
15:37
It's still speculative.
279
937814
3484
15:41
But I believe it's built on solid science.
280
941742
3849
15:45
I also think that in the coming decade or so,
281
945917
3809
15:49
we're going to start to see that actually, it pervades life --
282
949750
4841
15:54
that life has evolved tricks that utilize the quantum world.
283
954615
4596
16:00
Watch this space.
284
960026
1428
16:01
Thank you.
285
961478
1157
16:02
(Applause)
286
962659
2202
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7