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翻译人员: Josephine Chau
校对人员: Jenny Yang
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The youthful perspective on the future,
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用年轻人的眼光来看待未来,
00:17
the present perspective on the future
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用当前的眼光来看待未来,
00:19
and the future, mature
perspective on the future --
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用成熟的眼光来看待未来
00:24
I'd like to try and bring
all those three tenses together
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今天晚上,我会尝试去把这三个时态放在
00:28
in one identity tonight.
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同一个个体上
00:31
And you could say
that the poet, in many ways,
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你可以用很多不同的方法说那是一个诗人,
00:34
looks at what I call
"the conversational nature of reality."
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看到了“现实的对话本质”
00:39
And you ask yourself:
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你可以问自己
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What is the conversational
nature of reality?
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什么是现实的对话本质
00:43
The conversational nature
of reality is the fact
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事实上,现实的对话本质是
00:46
that whatever you desire of the world --
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不论你对这个世界有何渴望--
00:50
whatever you desire of your partner
in a marriage or a love relationship,
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00:54
whatever you desire of your children,
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不论你对你的小孩有何渴望,
00:56
whatever you desire of the people
who work for you or with you,
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不论你对跟你工作或者为你工作的人有何渴望
00:59
or your world --
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或者是你的世界
01:01
will not happen exactly
as you would like it to happen.
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不会跟你想像的完全一样地实现
01:06
But equally,
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但公平地说
01:08
whatever the world desires of us --
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世界对我们的渴望
01:10
whatever our partner,
our child, our colleague,
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我们的伴侣,小孩,同事
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our industry,
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工作,
01:15
our future demands of us,
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未来对我们的需求
01:18
will also not happen.
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也并不会都得到实现
01:20
And what actually happens
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其实真正发生的
01:21
is this frontier
between what you think is you
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是一个前沿,是“你认为的你”
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and what you think is not you.
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和那个“你认为不是你的你”的边界地
01:28
And this frontier of actual meeting
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这个边境的相遇
01:31
between what we call a self
and what we call the world
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我们所谓的自我, 所谓的世界
01:34
is the only place, actually,
where things are real.
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两者相交的边界才是唯一真实的地方
01:37
But it's quite astonishing,
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但非常惊人的是
01:39
how little time we spend
at this conversational frontier,
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我们在这个对话边界上话的时间太少了
01:43
and not abstracted away from it
in one strategy or another.
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没有用这样那样的策略来从中抽取什么
01:49
I was coming through immigration,
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我是移民來的
01:54
which is quite a dramatic
border at the moment,
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当时是很富有戏剧化的边境
01:57
into the US last year,
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去年到了美國
02:00
and, you know, you get off
an international flight
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及想必你也知道,当由国际航班起程
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across the Atlantic,
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飞越大西洋
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and you're not in the best place;
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你不是在最好的地方
02:06
you're not at your most
spiritually mature.
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你的心智也不是处于最佳状态
02:08
You're quite impatient
with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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事实上你没耐心关心他人
02:12
So when you get up to immigration
with your shirt collar out
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所以当你衣领不整地去见移民官
02:16
and a day's growth of beard,
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一天都没刮胡子
02:18
and you have very little patience,
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你有点不耐烦
02:21
and the immigration officer
looked at my passport
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移民官看了你的护照
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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问:"Whyte先生,你是从事什么工作的?
02:26
I said, "I work with the conversational
nature of reality."
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我回答:"我是搞现实的对话本质工作的"
02:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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他向前靠了一下
02:39
and he said, "I needed you last night."
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说:“我昨晚需要你。”
02:42
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:44
(Applause)
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(掌声)
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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我说:“对不起,
02:49
my powers as a poet
and philosopher only go so far.
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诗人和哲学家的能力是有限的
02:52
I'm not sure I can --"
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恐怕我帮不上忙。。。”
02:53
But before we knew it,
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但不知不觉
02:55
we were into a conversation
about his marriage.
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我们聊起了他的婚姻
02:58
Here he was in his uniform,
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他穿着制服
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and the interesting thing was,
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有趣的是
03:02
he was looking up and down
the row of officers
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他不停打量着整排的移民官们,
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to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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确保他的上司没看见他
03:07
that we was having a real conversation.
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正在进行一次真实的交流
03:11
But all of us live
at this conversational frontier
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但我们所有人都生活在这个
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with the future.
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与未来的交谈边界上。
03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes
of my Irish niece,
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我希望在座各位想象成是我的爱尔兰侄女
03:19
Marlene McCormack,
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Marlene McCormack,
03:21
standing on a cliff edge
on the western coast of Spain,
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站在西班牙西岸的悬崖边,
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overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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眺望着广大的大西洋
03:27
Twenty-three years old,
she's just walked 500 miles
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她二十三岁,刚走了500英里
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from Saint Jean Pied de Port
on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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从位在庇里牛斯山法国那一面的圣让皮耶德波尔,
03:34
all the way across Northern Spain,
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一路走到西班牙北部,
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on this very famous,
old and contemporary pilgrimage
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这是一趟非常著名、古老、现代的朝圣之旅
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called the Camino de Santiago
de Compostela --
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西班牙文叫「Camino de Santiago de Compostela」
03:44
the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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意思是:通往康波斯特拉之圣雅各的道路
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And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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事实上当你到了圣雅各,
03:51
it can be something of an anticlimax,
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你可能感到有些扫兴
03:53
because there are 100,000
people living there
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因为这里有100,000人居住
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who are not necessarily applauding you
as you're coming into town.
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他们不会对你夹道欢迎
03:58
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:59
And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you
a memento of your journey.
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其中10000人会向你推销这趟旅行的纪念品
04:04
But you do have the possibility
of going on for three more days
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但你很有机会在未来三天继续
04:10
to this place where Marlene stood,
called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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去到這Marlene站立的地方,在西班牙文称为菲尼斯泰爾,
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in English, Finisterre,
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英文称作菲尼斯泰尔,
04:18
from the Latin,
meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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拉丁文意思为"地球的尽头"
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the place where ground turns to ocean;
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一个由陆地连接到海洋的地方;
04:25
the place where your present
turns into the future.
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一个帮你从现在转变为未来的地方。
04:30
And Marlene had walked this way --
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而玛琳走过了这段路–
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she just graduated as a 23-year-old
from the University of Sligo
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她23岁, 刚从斯莱戈大学毕业,
04:35
with a degree in Irish drama.
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取得了爱尔兰戏剧学位。
04:38
And she said to me, "I don't think
the major corporations of the world
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她对我说:我不认为世界上的大企业
04:41
will be knocking on my door."
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会找上我的门来。
04:43
I said, "Listen, I've worked
in corporations all over the world
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我说:听着,我数十年来曾在全世界的
04:46
for decades;
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大企业中工作;
04:47
a degree in drama is what would most
prepare you for the adult --
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戏剧的学位为你进入成人世界做好了最好的准备
04:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:52
corporate world."
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企业世界。
04:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
04:55
But she said, "I'm not
interested in that, anyway.
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但她说:反正我对那也没有兴趣。
04:58
I don't want to teach drama,
I want to become a dramatist.
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我不想要教戏剧,我想要成为剧作家。
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I want to write plays.
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我想要写剧本。
05:04
So I walked the Camino
in order to give myself some courage,
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所以我走了圣雅各的道路,想给我自己一些勇气,
05:08
in order to walk into my future."
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才能走入我的未来。
05:10
And I said, "What was the most powerful
moment you had on the whole Camino,
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我说:在圣雅各的道路上,你经历到最强大
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the very most powerful moment?"
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的时刻是什么?
05:16
She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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她说:有许多强大的时刻,
05:18
but you know, the most powerful
moment was post-Camino,
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但,最强大的时刻是在走完圣雅各的道路之后,
05:22
was the three days you go on from Santiago
and come to this cliff edge.
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是从圣雅各到那悬崖边缘的那三天。
05:26
And you go through three rituals.
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你要经过三个仪式。
05:27
The first ritual is to eat
a tapas plate of scallops" --
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第一个仪式是要吃一小盘扇贝肉
05:32
or if you're vegetarian,
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如果你吃素,
05:34
to contemplate the scallop shell.
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那就凝视着扇贝壳就好。
05:36
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:38
Because the scallop shell has been
the icon and badge of your walk,
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因为扇贝壳是你这段步行的象征和标记,
05:42
and every arrow
that you have seen along that way
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而你一路上所见到的每一个箭头,
05:45
has been pointing underneath
a scallop shell.
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都是放在一个扇贝壳的下方。
05:49
So really, this first ritual is saying:
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所以,其实第一个仪式在说的是:
05:51
How did you get to this place?
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你怎么到达这个地方的?
05:53
How did you follow the path to get here?
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你怎么循着路到达这里的?
05:56
How do you hold the conversation of life
when you feel unbesieged,
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当在没有被人围绕时,没有被欺负时,独自一人时,
06:02
when you're unbullied,
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你如何跟自己进行
06:03
when you're left to yourself?
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人生的谈话?
06:04
How do you hold the conversation of life
that brings you to this place?
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你如何跟那个把你带到此地的人生谈话?
06:10
And the second ritual is that you burn
something that you've brought.
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而第二个仪式,是你要把你带来的某样东西烧掉。
06:15
I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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我说:“玛琳,你烧掉了什么?”
06:17
She said, "I burned a letter
and two postcards."
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她说:“我烧掉了一封信和两张明信片。”
06:20
I said, "Astonishing.
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我说:“好惊人。
06:21
Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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23 岁的人会带纸。
06:23
I can't believe it."
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我都不敢相信。 ”
06:25
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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我相信一定有圣雅各道路 app,
06:28
where you can just delete
a traumatic text, you know?
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让你可以删除创伤性文字,你知道吗?
06:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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它会配上闪光,
06:36
imbue it with color
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充满了颜色,
06:37
and disappear in a firework of flames.
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在火焰中当中消失。
06:42
But you either bring a letter
or you write one there,
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但你若没有带信到那里,你可以在那里写一封,
06:45
and you burn it.
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然后烧掉它。
06:46
And of course we know intuitively
what is on those letters and postcards.
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当然,我们凭直觉都知道信上和明信片上写的是什么。
06:50
It's a form of affection and love
that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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是现在已经不复存在的感情与爱的一种形式,对吗?
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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接着,第三个仪式:
07:01
between all these fires
are large piles of clothes.
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在这些火当中的是大堆大堆的衣物。
07:06
And you leave an item of clothing
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你留下一件帮你抵达
07:08
that has helped you to get to this place.
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这个地方的衣着物品。
07:12
And I said to Marlene,
"What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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我对玛琳说:“你在悬崖边缘留下了什么?”
07:15
She said, "I left my boots --
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她说:我留下了我的靴子–
07:16
the very things
that I walked in, actually.
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就是我穿着走到那里的靴子。
07:18
They were beautiful boots,
I loved those boots,
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那双靴子很漂亮,我很爱它,
07:21
but they were finished
after seven weeks of walking.
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但经过七周的行走之后,它已经没用了。
07:24
So I walked away in my trainers,
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所以我穿着运动鞋离开,
07:25
but I left my boots there."
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把我的靴子留在那里。
07:27
She said, "It was really incredible.
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她说:那真的很难以置信。
07:29
The most powerful moment was,
the sun was going down,
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最强大的时刻是太阳西下,
07:33
but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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但满月却从我后面升起。
07:37
And the full moon was illuminated
by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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而满月被落日用一种很强大的方式给照亮,
07:42
that even after the sun
had dropped below the horizon,
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即使太阳已经落到地平线之下,
07:45
the moon could still see that sun.
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月亮仍然能够看见太阳。
07:49
And I had a moon shadow,
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而我有个月影,
07:52
and I was looking at my moon shadow
walking across the Atlantic,
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我看着这个被月亮照出的影子走过大西洋,
07:57
across this ocean.
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走过这海洋。
07:59
And I thought,
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我心想:
08:00
'Oh! That's my new self
going into the future.'
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『喔!那就是我的新自我,走入未来。 』
08:03
But suddenly I realized
the sun was falling further.
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但,突然间,我发现到,太阳又落下更多。
08:09
The moon was losing its reflection,
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月亮失去了它的反射,
08:13
and my shadow was disappearing.
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而我的影子消失了。
08:15
The most powerful moment
I had on the whole Camino
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我在这整段道路上经历到最强大的时刻,
08:18
was when I realized I myself
had to walk across that unknown sea
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就是当我了解到,我自己需要走过这个未知的海洋,
08:24
into my future."
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走入了我的未来。
08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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我对这个故事非常着迷,
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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我为她写了这个作品。
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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当时我们在开车,
08:32
we got home, I sat on the couch,
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我们回到家,我坐在沙发上,
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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我一直写到半夜两点–
08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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每个人都入睡了–
08:37
and I gave it to Marlene
at breakfast time.
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我在早餐的时候把它给了玛琳。
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre,"
for Marlene McCormack.
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它叫做 ”菲尼斯特雷“,献给玛琳马可麦克。
08:46
"The road in the end
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“道路到了尽头,
08:47
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了尽头,走过了太阳的旅程,
08:52
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了尽头,走过必经的途径,
08:56
into the western sea
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进入西方的海洋,
08:58
the road in the end
taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了尽头,走过了太阳的旅程,
09:01
into the western sea
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进入西方的海洋,
09:03
and the moon
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而月亮,
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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月亮从你身后升起,
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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当你站在陆地海洋交界的地方
09:11
no way to your future now
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现在没了通往你未来的道路,
09:13
no way to your future now
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现在没了通往你未来的道路,
09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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除了你的影子能走上的路,
09:17
walking before you across water,
going where shadows go,
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走在你前面,跨越水面,去到影子所去之处,
09:20
no way to make sense of a world
that wouldn't let you pass
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无法了解一个不让你通过的世界,
09:25
except to call an end
to the way you had come,
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除了宣称你所走过的路到了尽头,
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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只能取出你带来的信件
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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点燃它们的发光的一角
09:38
and to read them as they drifted
on the late western light;
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借夕阳掠过的光芒再一次阅读上面的文字
09:43
to empty your bags
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清空你的袋子,
09:44
to empty your bags;
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清空你的袋子;
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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把这个分类、把那个留下,
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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把这个分类、把那个留下;
09:52
to promise what you needed
to promise all along
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承诺你所需要的,打从开始就一直承诺,
09:56
to promise what you needed
to promise all along,
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承诺你所需要承诺的,一如既往地承诺,
09:59
and to abandon the shoes
that brought you here
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丢弃那带你来到这里的鞋子,
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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丢弃在水的边缘,
10:05
not because you had given up
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不是因为你已经放弃,
10:07
not because you had given up
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不是因为你已经放弃,
10:09
but because now,
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而是因为现在,
10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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你会找到一条不同的归途
10:13
and because, through it all,
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也因为,透过它,
10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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你的一部份将会继续走下去,
10:17
no matter how,
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不论如何,
10:18
over the waves."
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走过波浪。 “
10:22
"Finisterre."
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「菲尼斯特雷」。
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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献给玛琳马可麦克–
10:25
(Applause)
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(掌声)
10:35
who has already had
her third play performed
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她已经有三部戏剧作品上演了
10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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在远离百老汇的剧界,
10:41
in Dublin.
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在都柏林。
10:42
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
10:43
But she's on her way.
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但她在向前进了。
10:45
This is the last piece.
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这是最后一件作品。
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival
at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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它说的是在我们努力的顶点,应当的抵达。
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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在圣雅各本身–
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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可以是圣雅各,
10:56
it could be Mecca,
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可以是麦加,
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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可以是瓦拉纳西,
10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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可以是京都,
11:00
it could be that threshold
you've set for yourself,
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可以是你为你自己设定的门槛,
11:05
the disturbing approach
to the consummation of all your goals.
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用让人不安的方法,用来完成你所有目标。
11:13
And one of the difficulties
about walking into your life,
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要走入你的人生,要来到这身体内,
11:17
about coming into this body,
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完全进入这世界,
11:19
into this world fully,
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困难点之一就是
11:22
is you start to realize
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你开始了解到
11:24
that you have manufactured
three abiding illusions
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你已经制造出了三个持久的幻觉,
11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared
with you since the beginning of time.
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打从一开始,其他的人类就与你共享这些幻觉。
11:34
And the first illusion
is that you can somehow construct a life
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第一个幻觉就是你可以以某种方式建立一个人生,
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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且你身在其中不会脆弱。
11:42
You can somehow be immune
to all of the difficulties
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你可以对所有的困难、病痛和失去的东西
11:47
and ill health and losses
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有免疫能力
11:51
that humanity has been subject to
since the beginning of time.
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这些都是人类从一开始就会要遭受的。
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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如果你向外看看自然世界,
11:57
there's no part of that world
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那个世界的每一部份
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles
of, first, incipience,
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都会要经过循环,从最初,
12:03
or hiddenness,
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或隐藏,
12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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然后成长、健全
12:07
but then a beautiful,
to begin with, disappearance,
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接着,首先,是一个美好的消失,
12:11
and then a very austere,
full disappearance.
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然后是非常朴素的完整消失。
12:14
We look at that, we say,
"That's beautiful,
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我们看着它,我们说:"那真美
12:16
but can I just have the first half
of the equation, please?
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但能不能只给我这个公式的前半部分?
12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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当消失发生时,
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait
for the new cycle to come around."
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我会闭上眼睛等待新的循环再次开始。”
12:25
Which means most human beings
are at war with reality
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这意味着,大部份的人类都和现实交战,
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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50% 的时间都是如此。
12:32
The mature identity
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而成熟的人,
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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能走过完整的循环。
12:40
The second illusion is,
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第二个幻觉是,
12:42
I can construct a life
in which I will not have my heart broken.
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我可以建立一个人生,且身在其中我的心不会碎。
12:47
Romance is the first place
we start to do it.
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我们最先开始这么做的地方是恋爱。
12:49
When you're at the beginning
of a new romance or a new marriage,
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当你在一段新恋情或新婚的开始,
12:53
you say, "I have found the person
who will not break my heart."
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你说:“ 我找到了不会让我心碎的人。”
12:57
I'm sorry;
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很抱歉;
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously
for that exact core competency.
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你在无意识中,就是根据那让你心碎的核心能力而选中他们的。
13:04
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:05
They will break your heart.
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他们会让你心碎。
13:07
Why?
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为什么?
13:08
Because you care about them.
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因为你在乎他们。
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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来看看养育子女的过程吧?
13:12
Parenting: "I will be
the perfect mother and father."
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养育子女时,大家以为 “ 我会是个完美的父母亲。”
13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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你的孩子会让你心碎。
13:18
And they don't even have to do
anything spectacular or dramatic.
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他们甚至不用做什么出格或戏剧性的事,就可以办到。
13:23
But usually, they do do something
spectacular or dramatic --
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但,通常他们会做些出格或戏剧性的事–
13:27
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:28
to break your heart.
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来让你心碎。
13:30
And then they live with you
as spies and saboteurs for years,
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接着,他们会以间谍和蓄意破坏者的身份与你同住数年,
13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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监看你的每一项心理对策,
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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发现你的每一个弱点。
13:39
And one day,
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有一天,
13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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当他们大约 14 岁时,
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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当你背对他们时,
13:43
in the kitchen,
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在厨房中,
13:45
while you're making something for them --
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当你在为他们做食物时
13:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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心理的短剑就会插入
13:50
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:58
And you say, "How did you know
exactly where to place it?"
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你说:「你怎么知道要把它插在哪?」
14:02
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:03
And they say,
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他们说:
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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「我一直在看着你,已经有–
14:06
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:07
a good few years."
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好多年了。 」
14:11
And then we hope that our armored,
professional personalities
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接着,我们希望武装起来的职业素养
14:17
will prevent us from having our
heart broken in work.
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能让我们避免在工作时心碎。
14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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但如果你对你的工作是真诚的,
14:23
it should break your heart.
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它应该会让你心碎。
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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你应该会达到你
14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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不知该怎么进行下去的那个槛。
14:32
You do not know how to get
from here to there.
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你不知道要如何从这里到那里。
14:36
What does that do?
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那会有什么影响?
14:37
It puts you into a proper
relationship with reality.
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它会让你与现实有个适当的关系。
14:41
Why?
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为什么?
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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因为你必须寻求帮助。
14:50
Heartbreak.
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心碎。
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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心碎不是我们能选择要不要的。
14:54
we only have a choice
of having our hearts broken
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心碎是我们唯一的选择
14:58
over people and things and projects
that we deeply care about.
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人们都会为他们深深在乎的人、事物、项目而心碎。
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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最后一个幻觉是,
15:07
I can somehow plan enough
and arrange things
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我能够做足够的计划与安排,
15:11
that I will be able to see
the path to the end
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让我能够看见从现在到未来
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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一路通往终点的路,
15:17
right to the horizon.
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一路到达地平线。
15:20
But when you think about it,
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但当你仔细想想,
15:22
the only environment
in which that would be true
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只有在一个环境中,这个说法会成立,
15:25
would be a flat desert,
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那就是平坦的沙漠,
15:28
empty of any other life.
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没有其他生命的空旷之地。
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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但即使在平坦的沙漠,
15:34
the curvature of the earth
would take the path away from you.
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地球的曲度也会让你看不见路。
15:38
So, no;
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所以,不;
15:40
you see the path,
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你会看见路,
15:41
and then you don't
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接着又看不见,
15:43
and then you see it again.
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然后又会再看见。
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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所以,这是「圣雅各」,
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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所谓的抵达,
15:51
which is a kind of return
to the beginning all at the same time.
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仿佛是同时返回到最初。
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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我们拥有旅程的经历,
15:58
which is in all of our great
spiritual traditions,
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在所有我们伟大的朝圣灵性
16:00
of pilgrimage.
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传统当中。
16:02
But just by actually standing
in the ground of your life fully,
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但实际上完全地坚守你人生的阵地,
16:06
not trying to abstract yourself
into a strategic future
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不试图将你自己抽象化成策略性的未来,
16:10
that's actually just an escape
from present heartbreak;
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那其实是种逃避当前心碎的方式;
16:14
the ability to stand
in the ground of your life
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坚守你人生阵地的能力,
16:16
and to look at the horizon
that is pulling you --
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看着拉着你的地平线
16:20
in that moment,
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在那一刻,
16:21
you are the whole journey.
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你就是整个旅程。
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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你就是整个交谈。
16:27
"Santiago."
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「圣雅各」。
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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“ 看见的道路,接着便消失了
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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看见的道路,接着便消失了
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take
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山坡隐藏了你应该走的路,接着又揭示了它,
16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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看见的道路,接着看不见了,
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing
the way you should take,
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山坡隐藏了你应该走的路,接着又揭示了它,
16:48
the road dropping away from you
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道路离开了你,
16:52
as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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仿佛让你独自在走在稀薄的空气上,
16:57
then catching you,
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然后接住你,
16:58
catching you,
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接住你,
16:59
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以为你会落下的时候,扶住你,
17:02
catching you,
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接住你,
17:03
holding you up,
when you thought you would fall,
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在你以为你会落下的时候,扶住你,
17:05
and the way forward
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而向前的路,
17:07
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路最后总是
17:11
the way that you came,
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你来的路,
17:12
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路最后总是
17:14
the way that you came,
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你来的路,
17:15
the way that you followed,
the way that carried you into your future,
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你遵循的路,带你进入未来的路,
17:19
that brought you to this place,
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带你来到这个地方的路,
17:20
that brought you to this place,
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带你来到这个地方的路,
17:23
no matter that it sometimes
had to take your promise from you,
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尽管它有时必须要夺去你的承诺,
17:28
no matter that it always
had to break your heart along the way:
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尽管它必然要在过程中让你心碎;
17:34
the sense
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这感觉,
17:35
the sense of having walked
from deep inside yourself
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这已经走过自己内在深处,
17:40
out into the revelation,
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走出来后得到启示的感觉,
17:43
to have risked yourself
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已经自己冒过险,
17:45
for something that seemed to stand
both inside you and far beyond you,
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为了某样东西冒险,它似乎同时在你内在以及远在你之外,
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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最终呼唤你回来
17:53
to the only road you could follow,
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到你可以遵循的唯一道路,
17:56
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那样行走,穿着爱的褴褛衣衫,
18:00
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那样行走,穿着爱的褴褛衣衫,
18:03
and speaking in the voice that by night
became a prayer for safe arrival,
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说话的声音在晚上变成安全抵达的祈祷,
18:10
so that one day
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所以,有一天,
18:12
one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:14
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其实已经发生了,
18:18
one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
18:20
that what you wanted
had actually already happened
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你所想要的其实已经发生了,
18:22
and long ago
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很早就发生了,
18:23
and in the dwelling place
in which you lived before you began,
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在有你之前就存在的你居住过的地方,
18:27
and that
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以及
18:28
and that every step along the way,
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以及路上的每一步,
18:31
every step along the way,
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路上的每一步,
18:33
you had carried the heart
and the mind and the promise
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你都可以带着那心、那精神、那承诺,
18:36
that first set you off
and then drew you on,
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最初是它们让你启程的,吸引你靠近的,
18:39
and that
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而且
18:41
and that you were more marvelous
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而且你想要找到一条路的简单愿望,
18:45
in your simple wish to find a way
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让你更显非凡,
18:48
you were more marvelous
in your simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一条路的简单愿望,让你更显非凡,
18:52
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach
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比起你所能到达之任何目的地的镀金屋顶还要更非凡,
18:56
you were more marvelous
in that simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一条路的简单愿望,让你更显非凡,
19:00
than the gilded roofs
of any destination you could reach:
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比起你所能到达之任何目的地的镀金屋顶还要更非凡;
19:03
as if, all along,
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仿佛,自始至终,
19:04
you had thought the end point
might be a city with golden domes,
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你认为终点可能是个有着黄金圆屋顶以及
19:07
and cheering crowds,
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欢呼群众的城市,
19:08
and turning the corner
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就在你认为是
19:10
at what you thought
was the end of the road,
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道路尽头的地方,转过转角,
19:15
you found just a simple reflection,
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你发现的只是一个简单的反射,
19:19
and a clear revelation
beneath the face looking back
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以及那回望的面孔底下的清楚启示,
19:22
and beneath it another invitation,
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在它底下有着另一项邀请,
19:27
all in one glimpse
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全都在一瞥之间,
19:29
all in one glimpse:
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全都在一瞥之间:
19:31
like a person
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就像一个人,
19:33
like a person or a place
you had sought forever
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就像你永远在寻找的一个人或一个地方,
19:37
like a person or a place
you had sought forever,
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就像你永远在寻找的一个人或一个地方,
19:40
like a bold field of freedom
that beckoned you beyond;
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就像一个英勇的原野,在更远处召唤着你;
19:45
like another life
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就像另一个人生,
19:46
like another life,
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就像另一个人生,
19:48
and the road
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以及道路,
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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仍然在延续下去的道路。
19:54
(Applause)
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(掌声)
19:55
Thank you.
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谢谢。
19:56
(Applause)
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(掌声)
20:01
Thank you.
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谢谢。
20:02
(Applause)
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(掌声)
20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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非常谢谢,谢谢。
20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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你们真好,谢谢。
20:11
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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