A lyrical bridge between past, present and future | David Whyte

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang
00:12
The youthful perspective on the future,
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對於未來的年輕觀點,
00:17
the present perspective on the future
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對於未來的當前觀點,
00:19
and the future, mature perspective on the future --
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以及未來,對於未來的成熟觀點——
00:24
I'd like to try and bring all those three tenses together
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今晚,我想要試著把 這三種時態結合在一起,
00:28
in one identity tonight.
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成為一個身份。
00:31
And you could say that the poet, in many ways,
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你可以說,在許多方面,
00:34
looks at what I call "the conversational nature of reality."
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詩人所看的是我所謂的 「現實的交談本質」。
00:39
And you ask yourself:
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你問自己:
00:40
What is the conversational nature of reality?
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現實的交談本質是什麼?
00:43
The conversational nature of reality is the fact
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現實的交談本質是以下這個事實:
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that whatever you desire of the world --
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不論你對這個世界有什麼渴望——
00:50
whatever you desire of your partner in a marriage or a love relationship,
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不論你對婚姻或戀愛關係中的 另一半有什麼渴望,
00:54
whatever you desire of your children,
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不論你對孩子有什麼渴望,
00:56
whatever you desire of the people who work for you or with you,
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不論你對同事或下屬有什麼渴望,
00:59
or your world --
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或你的世界——
01:01
will not happen exactly as you would like it to happen.
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都不會準確地 以你所想要的方式發生。
01:06
But equally,
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但很平等地,
01:08
whatever the world desires of us --
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不論世界對我們有什麼渴望——
01:10
whatever our partner, our child, our colleague,
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不論我們的另一半、孩子、同事、
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our industry,
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產業、
01:15
our future demands of us,
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未來對我們有什麼渴望,
01:18
will also not happen.
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也不會發生。
01:20
And what actually happens
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真正發生的是
01:21
is this frontier between what you think is you
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「你認為是的你」跟 「你認為不是你的你」
01:26
and what you think is not you.
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之間的邊界。
01:28
And this frontier of actual meeting
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我們所謂的自我、所謂的世界,
01:31
between what we call a self and what we call the world
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這兩者間實際相碰的邊界,
01:34
is the only place, actually, where things are real.
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唯有在這裡,事物東西才真實。
01:37
But it's quite astonishing,
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但,非常驚人的是,
01:39
how little time we spend at this conversational frontier,
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我們花非常少的時間 在這個交談邊界上,
01:43
and not abstracted away from it in one strategy or another.
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沒以任何策略來抽取些什麼。
01:49
I was coming through immigration,
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我經過海關的移民局,
01:54
which is quite a dramatic border at the moment,
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那時是個相當戲劇性的邊境,
01:57
into the US last year,
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我去年進入美國,
02:00
and, you know, you get off an international flight
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下了國際航班,
越過了大西洋,
02:03
across the Atlantic,
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02:04
and you're not in the best place;
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你不在最佳的地點,
02:06
you're not at your most spiritually mature.
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你不處於靈性最成熟的狀況,
02:08
You're quite impatient with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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事實上,你對其他的人很沒耐心。
02:12
So when you get up to immigration with your shirt collar out
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當你起身進到移民局時 上衣領子是外翻的,
02:16
and a day's growth of beard,
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一天沒刮鬍子,
02:18
and you have very little patience,
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你很沒耐心,
02:21
and the immigration officer looked at my passport
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而移民官看了我的護照,
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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說:「懷特先生,你是做什麼的?」
02:26
I said, "I work with the conversational nature of reality."
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我說:「我處理 『現實的交談本質』。」
02:31
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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他向前傾到他的矮牆上,
02:39
and he said, "I needed you last night."
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他說:「我昨晚需要你。」
02:42
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:44
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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我說:「很抱歉,
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my powers as a poet and philosopher only go so far.
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身為詩人和哲學家, 我的力量只到這裡。
02:52
I'm not sure I can --"
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不確定我能——」
02:53
But before we knew it,
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很快地,
02:55
we were into a conversation about his marriage.
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我們就在交談了,談他的結婚。
02:58
Here he was in his uniform,
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他穿著他的制服,
03:00
and the interesting thing was,
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有趣的是,
03:02
he was looking up and down the row of officers
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他不時看向著整排的人員,
03:04
to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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確定他的主管沒有發現
03:07
that we was having a real conversation.
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我們在做真正的交談。
03:11
But all of us live at this conversational frontier
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但我們所有人都生活在
03:14
with the future.
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這個與未來的交談邊界上。
03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes of my Irish niece,
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我想請各位站在我的 愛爾蘭姪女的立場想想,
03:19
Marlene McCormack,
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她叫瑪琳馬可麥克,
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standing on a cliff edge on the western coast of Spain,
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站在西班牙西岸的懸崖邊緣,
03:25
overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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眺望著廣大的大西洋。
03:27
Twenty-three years old, she's just walked 500 miles
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她 23 歲,剛走過了 500 英哩,
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from Saint Jean Pied de Port on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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從位在庇里牛斯山 法國那一面的聖讓皮耶德波爾,
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all the way across Northern Spain,
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一路走到西班牙北部,
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on this very famous, old and contemporary pilgrimage
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這是一趟非常著名、 古老、當代的朝聖之旅,
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called the Camino de Santiago de Compostela --
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西班牙文叫「Camino de Santiago de Compostela」,
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the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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「通往康波斯特拉的聖雅各之路」,
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And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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當你到了聖雅各,
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it can be something of an anticlimax,
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其實是有點掃興的,
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because there are 100,000 people living there
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因為有十萬人住在那裡,
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who are not necessarily applauding you as you're coming into town.
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他們不見得會鼓掌歡迎你到鎮上。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you a memento of your journey.
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他們當中會有一萬人試著 賣這趟旅程的紀念品給你。
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But you do have the possibility of going on for three more days
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但,你確有可能可以再花三天時間
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to this place where Marlene stood, called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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走到瑪琳站的這個地方,
西班牙文叫「Finisterre」,
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in English, Finisterre,
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英文發音是「菲尼斯特雷」,
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from the Latin, meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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來自拉丁文,意思是「地球的盡頭」,
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the place where ground turns to ocean;
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陸地轉變為海洋的地方,
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the place where your present turns into the future.
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你的現在轉變為未來的地方。
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And Marlene had walked this way --
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而瑪琳走過了這段路——
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she just graduated as a 23-year-old from the University of Sligo
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23 歲的她剛從斯萊戈大學畢業,
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with a degree in Irish drama.
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取得愛爾蘭戲劇學位。
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And she said to me, "I don't think the major corporations of the world
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她對我說:「我不認為 世界上的主要企業
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will be knocking on my door."
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會找上我的門來。」
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I said, "Listen, I've worked in corporations all over the world
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我說:「聽著,數十年來 我為世界各地的企業工作;
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for decades;
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04:47
a degree in drama is what would most prepare you for the adult --
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戲劇學位最能讓你 準備好進入成人的——
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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corporate world."
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企業世界。」
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
04:55
But she said, "I'm not interested in that, anyway.
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但她說:「反正我對那也沒有興趣。
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I don't want to teach drama, I want to become a dramatist.
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我不想要教戲劇, 我想要成為劇作家。
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I want to write plays.
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我想要寫劇本。
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So I walked the Camino in order to give myself some courage,
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所以我踏上聖雅各之路 想給自己一些勇氣,
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in order to walk into my future."
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才能走入我的未來。」
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And I said, "What was the most powerful moment you had on the whole Camino,
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我說:「在聖雅各之路上,
你經歷到最強大的時刻是什麼?」
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the very most powerful moment?"
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她說:「有許多強大的時刻,
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She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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但,最強大的時刻是在 走完聖雅各之路後,
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but you know, the most powerful moment was post-Camino,
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was the three days you go on from Santiago and come to this cliff edge.
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是從聖雅各到那懸崖邊緣的那三天。
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And you go through three rituals.
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你要經過三個儀式。
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The first ritual is to eat a tapas plate of scallops" --
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第一個儀式是要吃一小盤扇貝肉」;
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or if you're vegetarian,
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如果你吃素,
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to contemplate the scallop shell.
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凝視著扇貝殼就好。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Because the scallop shell has been the icon and badge of your walk,
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因為扇貝殼是你 這段步行的象徵和標記,
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and every arrow that you have seen along that way
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而你一路上所見到的每一個箭頭,
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has been pointing underneath a scallop shell.
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都指向一個扇貝殼的下方。
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So really, this first ritual is saying:
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所以,其實第一個儀式在說的是:
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How did you get to this place?
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你怎麼到達這個地方的?
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How did you follow the path to get here?
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你怎麼循著路到達這裡的?
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How do you hold the conversation of life when you feel unbesieged,
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當你沒被圍困、沒被欺負,
獨自一人時,
你如何進行人生的談話?
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when you're unbullied,
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06:03
when you're left to yourself?
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06:04
How do you hold the conversation of life that brings you to this place?
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你如何進行帶你到此地的人生談話?
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And the second ritual is that you burn something that you've brought.
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而第二個儀式,是你要把 你帶來的某樣東西燒掉。
06:15
I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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我問:「瑪琳,你燒掉了什麼?」
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She said, "I burned a letter and two postcards."
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她說:「我燒掉了 一封信和兩張明信片。」
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I said, "Astonishing.
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我說:「好驚人。
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Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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23 歲的人會有紙。
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I can't believe it."
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我無法置信。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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我相信一定有聖雅各之路 app,
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where you can just delete a traumatic text, you know?
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讓你可以刪除創傷性文字,是吧?
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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它會搭配閃光,
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imbue it with color
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充滿了顏色,
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and disappear in a firework of flames.
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在火焰的煙火當中消失。
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But you either bring a letter or you write one there,
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但你若沒有帶信到那裡, 你可以在那裡寫一封,
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and you burn it.
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然後燒掉它。
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And of course we know intuitively what is on those letters and postcards.
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當然,我們憑直覺都知道 信上和明信片上寫的是什麼。
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It's a form of affection and love that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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是一種現已不復存在的 愛與感情形式,對吧?
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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接著,第三個儀式:
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between all these fires are large piles of clothes.
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在這些火當中的是大堆大堆的衣物。
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And you leave an item of clothing
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你留下一個協助你到達
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that has helped you to get to this place.
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這個地方的衣著物品。
07:12
And I said to Marlene, "What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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我對瑪琳說:「你在 懸崖邊緣留下了什麼?」
07:15
She said, "I left my boots --
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她說:「我留下了我的靴子–
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the very things that I walked in, actually.
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就是我穿著走到那裡的靴子。
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They were beautiful boots, I loved those boots,
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那雙靴子很漂亮,我很喜愛,
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but they were finished after seven weeks of walking.
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但經過七週的行走之後已經完了。
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So I walked away in my trainers,
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所以我穿著運動鞋離開,
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but I left my boots there."
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把靴子留在那裡。」
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She said, "It was really incredible.
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她說:「那真的很難以置信。
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The most powerful moment was, the sun was going down,
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最強大的時刻是太陽西下,
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but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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但滿月卻從我後面升起。
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And the full moon was illuminated by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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而滿月被落日 用一種很強大的方式照亮,
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that even after the sun had dropped below the horizon,
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即使太陽已經落到地平線之下,
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the moon could still see that sun.
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月亮仍然能夠看見太陽。
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And I had a moon shadow,
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而我有個月影,
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and I was looking at my moon shadow walking across the Atlantic,
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我看著這個被月亮 照出的影子走過大西洋,
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across this ocean.
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走過這海洋。
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And I thought,
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我心想:
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'Oh! That's my new self going into the future.'
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『喔!那就是我的 新自我,走入未來。』
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But suddenly I realized the sun was falling further.
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但,我突然發現太陽更下沈了。
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The moon was losing its reflection,
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月亮失去了它的反射,
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and my shadow was disappearing.
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我的影子消失了。
08:15
The most powerful moment I had on the whole Camino
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這整段路上我經歷的最強大時刻,
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was when I realized I myself had to walk across that unknown sea
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就是了解到我必須 自己走過那未知的海洋,
08:24
into my future."
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走入我的未來。」
08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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我對這個故事非常著迷,
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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我為她寫了這小品。
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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當時我們在開車,
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we got home, I sat on the couch,
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回到家,我坐在沙發上,
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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一直寫到半夜兩點——
08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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每個人都入睡了——
08:37
and I gave it to Marlene at breakfast time.
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我在早餐的時候把它給了瑪琳。
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre," for Marlene McCormack.
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它叫做《菲尼斯特雷》, 獻給瑪琳馬可麥克。
08:46
"The road in the end
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「道路到了最終,
08:47
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了最終, 走上太陽走過的途徑,
08:52
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了最終, 走上太陽走過的途徑,
08:56
into the western sea
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進入西方的海洋,
08:58
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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道路到了最終, 走上太陽走過的途徑,
09:01
into the western sea
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進入西方的海洋,
09:03
and the moon
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而月亮,
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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月亮從你身後升起,
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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當你站在陸地轉為海洋之處:
09:11
no way to your future now
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現在沒有通往你未來的路,
09:13
no way to your future now
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現在沒有通往你未來的路,
09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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除了你的影子能走上的路,
09:17
walking before you across water, going where shadows go,
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走在你前面,跨越水面, 去到影子所去之處,
09:20
no way to make sense of a world that wouldn't let you pass
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沒辦法將一個不讓你 通過的世界給合理化,
09:25
except to call an end to the way you had come,
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除了宣稱你所走過的路到了盡頭,
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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拿出你帶來的所有信件,
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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點亮它們的照亮角落;
09:38
and to read them as they drifted on the late western light;
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閱讀漂流在夜晚西方光線中的它們;
09:43
to empty your bags
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清空你的袋子,
09:44
to empty your bags;
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清空你的袋子;
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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分類這,留下那,
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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分類這,留下那;
09:52
to promise what you needed to promise all along
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承諾你打從開始就就需要承諾的,
09:56
to promise what you needed to promise all along,
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承諾你打從開始就就需要承諾的;
09:59
and to abandon the shoes that brought you here
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丟棄帶你來這裡的鞋子,
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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棄在水邊,
10:05
not because you had given up
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不是因為你已經放棄,
10:07
not because you had given up
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不是因為你已經放棄,
10:09
but because now,
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而是因為現在,
10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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你會找到一條不同的路來走,
10:13
and because, through it all,
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也因為,透過它,
10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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你的一部份將會繼續走下去,
10:17
no matter how,
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不論如何,
10:18
over the waves."
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走過波浪。」
10:22
"Finisterre."
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《菲尼斯特雷》
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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獻給瑪琳馬可麥克——
10:25
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:35
who has already had her third play performed
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她已經有第三齣劇被演出,
10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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在外外外外百老匯的劇界,
10:41
in Dublin.
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在都柏林。
10:42
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:43
But she's on her way.
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但她在向前進了。
10:45
This is the last piece.
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這是最後一件作品,
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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說的是在我們努力的頂點 應當的抵達。
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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在聖雅各本身——
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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可以是聖雅各,
10:56
it could be Mecca,
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可以是麥加,
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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可以是瓦拉納西,
10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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可以是京都,
11:00
it could be that threshold you've set for yourself,
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可以是你為自己設定的門檻,
11:05
the disturbing approach to the consummation of all your goals.
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讓人不安的方法, 用來完成你所有目標。
11:13
And one of the difficulties about walking into your life,
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要走入你的人生,要來到這身體內,
11:17
about coming into this body,
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完全進入這世界,
11:19
into this world fully,
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困難點之一就是
11:22
is you start to realize
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你開始了解到
11:24
that you have manufactured three abiding illusions
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你已經製造出了三個持久的幻覺,
11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared with you since the beginning of time.
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打從一開始,其他的人類 就與你共享這些幻覺。
11:34
And the first illusion is that you can somehow construct a life
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第一個幻覺就是你可以 以某種方式建立一個人生,
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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且你身在其中不會脆弱。
11:42
You can somehow be immune to all of the difficulties
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你可以對所有的困難、 不健康、失去,
11:47
and ill health and losses
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通通免疫,
11:51
that humanity has been subject to since the beginning of time.
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那些人類從一開始就遭受的。
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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如果你向外看看自然世界,
11:57
there's no part of that world
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那個世界的每一部份
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles of, first, incipience,
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都會要經過循環,
從最初的發端或隱蔽,
12:03
or hiddenness,
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12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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接著成長、完全,
12:07
but then a beautiful, to begin with, disappearance,
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如何是美好消失的開始,
12:11
and then a very austere, full disappearance.
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然後是非常樸素、完整的消失。
12:14
We look at that, we say, "That's beautiful,
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我們看著它,我們說:「那好美,
12:16
but can I just have the first half of the equation, please?
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但能不能只給我等式的前半部呢?
12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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當消失發生時,
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait for the new cycle to come around."
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我會閉上眼睛 等待新循環再次開始。」
12:25
Which means most human beings are at war with reality
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這意味著,大部份人
半數時間和現實交戰。
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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12:32
The mature identity
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成熟的個性,
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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能走過完整的循環。
12:40
The second illusion is,
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第二個幻覺是,
12:42
I can construct a life in which I will not have my heart broken.
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我可以建立一個 身在其中不會心碎人生,。
12:47
Romance is the first place we start to do it.
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我們的起始之地是戀愛。
12:49
When you're at the beginning of a new romance or a new marriage,
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你在一段新戀情或新婚的開始,
12:53
you say, "I have found the person who will not break my heart."
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說:「我找到不會讓我心碎的人了。」
12:57
I'm sorry;
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很抱歉;
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously for that exact core competency.
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你已無意識地選了他們 以獲得那確切的核心。
13:04
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:05
They will break your heart.
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他們會讓你心碎。
13:07
Why?
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為什麼?
13:08
Because you care about them.
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因為你在乎他們。
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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看看養育子女,好吧?
13:12
Parenting: "I will be the perfect mother and father."
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養育子女:「我會是完美的父母。」
13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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你的孩子會讓你心碎。
13:18
And they don't even have to do anything spectacular or dramatic.
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甚至不必壯觀或戲劇性地 做些什麼就辦得到。
13:23
But usually, they do do something spectacular or dramatic --
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但,通常他們會做些 壯觀或戲劇性的事——
13:27
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:28
to break your heart.
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來讓你心碎。
13:30
And then they live with you as spies and saboteurs for years,
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接著,他們會以間諜 和蓄意破壞者的身分與你同住數年,
13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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監看你每一心理動向,
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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發現你每一弱點。
13:39
And one day,
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有一天,
13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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當他們大約 14 歲時,
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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當你背對他們時,
13:43
in the kitchen,
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在廚房中,
13:45
while you're making something for them --
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當你在為他們煮食時——
13:47
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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心理的短劍就會插進來。
13:50
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
13:53
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:58
And you say, "How did you know exactly where to place it?"
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你問:「你怎麼知道 刺下劍的確切地點?」
14:02
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
14:03
And they say,
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他們說:
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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「我一直在看著你,已經——
14:06
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
14:07
a good few years."
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好多年了。」
14:11
And then we hope that our armored, professional personalities
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接著,我們希望武裝起來的專業特性
14:17
will prevent us from having our heart broken in work.
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能讓我們避免在工作時心碎。
14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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但如果你對工作是真誠的,
14:23
it should break your heart.
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它應該會讓你心碎。
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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你應該會達到你
14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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不知該怎麼進行下去的那門檻。
14:32
You do not know how to get from here to there.
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你不知道要如何從這裡到那裡。
14:36
What does that do?
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那會有什麼影響?
14:37
It puts you into a proper relationship with reality.
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它會讓你與現實有個適當的關係。
14:41
Why?
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為什麼?
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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因為你得要求助。
14:50
Heartbreak.
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心碎。
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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心碎不是我們能選擇要不要的。
14:54
we only have a choice of having our hearts broken
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我們只能夠選擇要為了
14:58
over people and things and projects that we deeply care about.
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深刻在乎的人、事物、專案而心碎。
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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最後一個幻覺是
15:07
I can somehow plan enough and arrange things
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我能夠做足夠的計畫與安排,
15:11
that I will be able to see the path to the end
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讓我能夠看見從我現在所在,
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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一路通往終點的路,
15:17
right to the horizon.
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一路到達地平線。
15:20
But when you think about it,
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但當你仔細想想,
15:22
the only environment in which that would be true
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這個說法只在一個環境會成立,
15:25
would be a flat desert,
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那就是平坦的沙漠,
15:28
empty of any other life.
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沒有其他生命的空曠之地。
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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但即使在平坦的沙漠,
15:34
the curvature of the earth would take the path away from you.
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地球的曲度也會讓你看不見路。
15:38
So, no;
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所以,不;
15:40
you see the path,
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你會看見路,
15:41
and then you don't
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接著又看不見,
15:43
and then you see it again.
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然後又會再看見。
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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所以,這是《聖雅各》,
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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應當的抵達,
15:51
which is a kind of return to the beginning all at the same time.
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有點像是同時返回到最初。
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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我們有旅程的經歷,
15:58
which is in all of our great spiritual traditions,
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在所有我們偉大的朝聖靈性
16:00
of pilgrimage.
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傳統當中。
16:02
But just by actually standing in the ground of your life fully,
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但實際完全地堅守你人生的陣地,
16:06
not trying to abstract yourself into a strategic future
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不試圖將你自己 抽象化成策略性的未來,
16:10
that's actually just an escape from present heartbreak;
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那其實是種逃避當前心碎的方式;
16:14
the ability to stand in the ground of your life
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堅守你人生陣地的能力,
16:16
and to look at the horizon that is pulling you --
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看向在拉著你的地平線的能力——
16:20
in that moment,
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在那一刻,
16:21
you are the whole journey.
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你就是整個旅程。
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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你就是整個交談。
16:27
"Santiago."
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《聖雅各》
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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「看見的道路,接著看不見了,
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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看見的道路,接著看不見了,
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing the way you should take
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山坡隱藏了你應該走的路, 接著又揭示了它,
16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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看見的道路,接著看不見了,
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing the way you should take,
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山坡隱藏了你應該走的路, 接著又揭示了它,
16:48
the road dropping away from you
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道路離開了你,
16:52
as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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彷彿讓你獨自在走在稀薄的空氣上,
16:57
then catching you,
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然後接住你,
16:58
catching you,
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接住你,
16:59
holding you up, when you thought you would fall,
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在你以為你會落下的時候,扶住你,
17:02
catching you,
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接住你,
17:03
holding you up, when you thought you would fall,
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在你以為你會落下的時候,扶住你,
17:05
and the way forward
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而向前的路,
17:07
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路
最後總是你來的路,
17:11
the way that you came,
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17:12
the way forward always in the end
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向前的路
最後總是你來的路,
17:14
the way that you came,
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17:15
the way that you followed, the way that carried you into your future,
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你遵循的路,帶你進入未來的路,
17:19
that brought you to this place,
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帶你來到這個地方的路,
17:20
that brought you to this place,
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帶你來到這個地方的路,
17:23
no matter that it sometimes had to take your promise from you,
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不論它有時必須要奪去你的承諾,
17:28
no matter that it always had to break your heart along the way:
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不論它總是必須要 在過程中讓你心碎;
17:34
the sense
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這感覺,
17:35
the sense of having walked from deep inside yourself
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這已經走過自己內在深處,
17:40
out into the revelation,
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走出到啟示的感覺,
17:43
to have risked yourself
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已經自己冒過險,
17:45
for something that seemed to stand both inside you and far beyond you,
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為了某樣東西冒險,它似乎同時 在你內在以及遠在你之外,
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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最終呼喚你回來
17:53
to the only road you could follow,
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到你可以遵循的唯一道路,
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walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那樣行走, 穿著愛的襤褸衣衫,
18:00
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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像你之前那樣行走, 穿著愛的襤褸衣衫,
18:03
and speaking in the voice that by night became a prayer for safe arrival,
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說話的聲音在晚上 變成安全抵達的祈禱,
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so that one day
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所以,有一天,
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one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
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that what you wanted had actually already happened
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你所想要的其實已經發生了,
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one day you realized
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有一天你了解到
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that what you wanted had actually already happened
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你所想要的其實已經發生了,
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and long ago
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很早就發生了,
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and in the dwelling place in which you lived before you began,
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在你開始之前所居住的地方,
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and that
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以及
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and that every step along the way,
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以及路上的每一步,
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every step along the way,
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路上的每一步,
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you had carried the heart and the mind and the promise
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你都可以帶著 那心、那精神、那承諾,
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that first set you off and then drew you on,
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最初是它們讓你啟程的, 吸引你靠近的,
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and that
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而且
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and that you were more marvelous
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望
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in your simple wish to find a way
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讓更你是非凡,
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you were more marvelous in your simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望 讓更你是非凡,
18:52
than the gilded roofs of any destination you could reach
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比你能企及的任何目的地之 鍍金屋頂還要更非凡,
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you were more marvelous in that simple wish to find a way
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你想要找到一條路的簡單願望 讓更你是非凡,
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than the gilded roofs of any destination you could reach:
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比你能企及的任何目的地之 鍍金屋頂還要更非凡,
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as if, all along,
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彷彿,自始至終,
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you had thought the end point might be a city with golden domes,
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你認為終點可能是個有著黃金圓屋頂
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and cheering crowds,
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以及歡呼群眾的城市,
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and turning the corner
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就在你認為是
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at what you thought was the end of the road,
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道路盡頭的地方,轉過轉角,
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you found just a simple reflection,
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你發現的只是一個簡單的映影,
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and a clear revelation beneath the face looking back
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以及那回望的面孔底下的清楚啟示,
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and beneath it another invitation,
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在它底下有著另一項邀請,
19:27
all in one glimpse
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全都在一瞥之間,
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all in one glimpse:
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全都在一瞥之間:
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like a person
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就像一個人,
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like a person or a place you had sought forever
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就像你永遠在尋找的 一個人或一個地方,
19:37
like a person or a place you had sought forever,
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就像你永遠在尋找的 一個人或一個地方,
19:40
like a bold field of freedom that beckoned you beyond;
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就像一個英勇的原野, 在更遠處召喚著你;
19:45
like another life
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就像另一個人生,
19:46
like another life,
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就像另一個人生,
19:48
and the road
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而道路,
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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道路仍延展下去。」
19:54
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
19:55
Thank you.
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謝謝。
19:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
20:01
Thank you.
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謝謝。
20:02
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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非常謝謝,謝謝。
20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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你們真好,謝謝。
20:11
(Applause)
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