A lyrical bridge between past, present and future | David Whyte

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: JY Kang ๊ฒ€ํ† : Jihyeon J. Kim
00:12
The youthful perspective on the future,
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์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜
์ง€๊ธˆ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜
00:17
the present perspective on the future
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00:19
and the future, mature perspective on the future --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ๋” ์–ด๋ฅธ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜.
00:24
I'd like to try and bring all those three tenses together
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‹œ์ ์„ ํ•œ๋ฐ ๋ชจ์•„์„œ
00:28
in one identity tonight.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐค, ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์˜ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
And you could say that the poet, in many ways,
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์‹œ์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋“ค ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๋ฅธ๋ฐ” "ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™” ๋ณธ๋Šฅ"์„ ๋‹ค๋ฐฉ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์‚ดํ•€๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์ฃ .
00:34
looks at what I call "the conversational nature of reality."
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
00:39
And you ask yourself:
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00:40
What is the conversational nature of reality?
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"ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ณธ๋Šฅ"์ด๋ž€ ๋ญ˜๊นŒ์š”?
00:43
The conversational nature of reality is the fact
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ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ณธ๋Šฅ์ด๋ž€ ๊ฒƒ์€
00:46
that whatever you desire of the world --
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์„ธ์ƒ์— ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
00:50
whatever you desire of your partner in a marriage or a love relationship,
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๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ž๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
00:54
whatever you desire of your children,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ง์žฅ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
00:56
whatever you desire of the people who work for you or with you,
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00:59
or your world --
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ํ˜น์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ž์‹ ๋„
01:01
will not happen exactly as you would like it to happen.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:06
But equally,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ
01:08
whatever the world desires of us --
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์„ธ์ƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
01:10
whatever our partner, our child, our colleague,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ž, ์•„์ด๋“ค, ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค
01:14
our industry,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌํšŒ์™€
01:15
our future demands of us,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„
01:18
will also not happen.
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๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š”
01:20
And what actually happens
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01:21
is this frontier between what you think is you
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒจ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‚˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
01:26
and what you think is not you.
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01:28
And this frontier of actual meeting
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์ ์ด
'์ž์‹ '๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ '์„ธ์ƒ'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด๊ณ 
01:31
between what we call a self and what we call the world
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01:34
is the only place, actually, where things are real.
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์˜ค์ง ๊ทธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋งŒ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ ํ˜„์‹ค๋กœ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:37
But it's quite astonishing,
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๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:39
how little time we spend at this conversational frontier,
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž ๊น ๋™์•ˆ๋งŒ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:43
and not abstracted away from it in one strategy or another.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ๋ˆˆ์— ๋„์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ ๋งŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
I was coming through immigration,
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์ž…๊ตญ์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•  ๋•Œ
01:54
which is quite a dramatic border at the moment,
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๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋งŒํผ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด์ฃ .
01:57
into the US last year,
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์ž‘๋…„์— ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ฌ ๋•Œ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
02:00
and, you know, you get off an international flight
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋Œ€์„œ์–‘์„ ๊ฑด๋„ˆ ๊ตญ์ œ์„ ์—์„œ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ์งํ›„์—
02:03
across the Atlantic,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์พŒ์ ํ•œ ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์ง„ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
and you're not in the best place;
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02:06
you're not at your most spiritually mature.
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์ •์‹ ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•ˆ์ •๋œ ์ƒํƒœ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
02:08
You're quite impatient with the rest of humanity, in fact.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์ธ๊ฐ„์„ฑ๋„ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ๋‚˜์„œ ์ฐธ๊ธฐ ํž˜๋“  ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์˜ท ๋งค๋ฌด์ƒˆ๊ฐ€ ์—‰๋ง์ธ ์ฑ„๋กœ ์ž…๊ตญ์‹ฌ์‚ฌ์žฅ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์—๋Š”
02:12
So when you get up to immigration with your shirt collar out
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์ˆ˜์—ผ๋„ ์ž๋ž๊ณ 
02:16
and a day's growth of beard,
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02:18
and you have very little patience,
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์ธ๋‚ด์‹ฌ๋„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ๋‚˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
02:21
and the immigration officer looked at my passport
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์ž…๊ตญ์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๊ด€์ด ์ œ ์—ฌ๊ถŒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
and said, "What do you do, Mr. Whyte?"
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"ํ™”์ดํŠธ์”จ, ์ง์—…์ด ๋ญ์ฃ ?"
02:26
I said, "I work with the conversational nature of reality."
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"์ €๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™” ๋ณธ๋Šฅ์— ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
02:31
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:36
And he leaned forward over his podium
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ฑ…์ƒ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ชธ์„ ์ˆ™์ด๋ฉฐ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:39
and he said, "I needed you last night."
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"๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์–ด์ ฏ๋ฐค์— ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๋ป” ํ–ˆ๋„ค์š”."
02:42
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:44
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
02:48
And I said, "I'm sorry,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ..
02:49
my powers as a poet and philosopher only go so far.
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์‹œ์ธ์ด์ž ์ฒ ํ•™๊ฐ€๋กœ์„œ ์ œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์€ ๊ทธ์ € ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
02:52
I'm not sure I can --"
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ ๋Ÿฐ์ง€..."
02:53
But before we knew it,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์–ด๋Š์ƒŒ๊ฐ€
02:55
we were into a conversation about his marriage.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:58
Here he was in his uniform,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช… ๊ทผ๋ฌด์ค‘์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:00
and the interesting thing was,
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์žฌ๋ฐŒ๋Š” ์ ์€
๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์œ„ ์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๊ด€๋“ค์„ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:02
he was looking up and down the row of officers
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03:04
to make sure his supervisor didn't see
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์ผ์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
03:07
that we was having a real conversation.
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์ƒ๊ด€์—๊ฒŒ ๋“คํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์˜€์ฃ .
03:11
But all of us live at this conversational frontier
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์ฃ .
03:14
with the future.
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03:16
I'd like to put you in the shoes of my Irish niece,
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์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ œ ์กฐ์นด์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”.
03:19
Marlene McCormack,
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์ œ ์กฐ์นด ๋ง๋ฆฐ ๋งฅ์ฝ”๋งฅ์€
03:21
standing on a cliff edge on the western coast of Spain,
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์„œํ•ด์•ˆ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ ๋์— ์„œ์„œ
03:25
overlooking the broad Atlantic.
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๋“œ๋„“์€ ๋Œ€์„œ์–‘์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:27
Twenty-three years old, she's just walked 500 miles
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์Šค๋ฌผ์„ธ ์‚ด ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” 800 km๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด์„œ
ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ํ”ผ๋ ˆ๋„ค ์‚ฐ๋งฅ์˜ ์ƒ์žฅ ํ”ผ์— ๋“œ ํฌ๋ฅด๋ฅผ ์ถœ๋ฐœํ•ด
03:31
from Saint Jean Pied de Port on the French side of the Pyrenees,
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03:34
all the way across Northern Spain,
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๋ถ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:36
on this very famous, old and contemporary pilgrimage
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์•„์ฃผ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์œ ์„œ๊นŠ์€ ๋‹น๋Œ€์˜ ์ˆœ๋ก€ ์—ฌ์ •์ด์ฃ .
03:40
called the Camino de Santiago de Compostela --
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"์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ๋“œ ์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ  ๋“œ ์ฝคํฌ์Šคํ…”๋ผ"
'์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ  ๋“œ ์ฝคํฌ์Šคํ…”๋ผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธธ' ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋œป์˜ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
the Path to Santiago of Compostela.
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03:47
And when you get to Santiago, actually,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด
03:51
it can be something of an anticlimax,
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๋‹ค์†Œ ์‹ค๋งํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
because there are 100,000 people living there
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10๋งŒ ๋ช…์ด ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋„์‹œ์˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„
03:55
who are not necessarily applauding you as you're coming into town.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋งˆ์„์— ๋„์ฐฉํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ•์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ณ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
03:58
(Laughter)
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03:59
And 10,000 of them are trying to sell you a memento of your journey.
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๊ทธ ์ค‘, ๋งŒ ๋ช…์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฌํ–‰ ๊ธฐ๋…ํ’ˆ์„ ํŒ”๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
04:04
But you do have the possibility of going on for three more days
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์‚ฌํ˜๋งŒ ๋” ๊ฑธ์–ด ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
04:10
to this place where Marlene stood, called, in Spanish, Finisterre,
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๋ง๋ฆฐ์ด ๊ฐ”๋˜ ๊ณณ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋กœ 'ํ”ผ๋‹ˆ์Šคํ…Œ๋ ˆ'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋กœ 'ํ”ผ๋‹ˆ์Šคํ„ฐ'๋ผ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ณณ์ธ๋ฐ์š”.
04:16
in English, Finisterre,
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04:18
from the Latin, meaning "the ends of the earth,"
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"์ง€๊ตฌ์˜ ๋"์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋œป์˜ ๋ผํ‹ด์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
the place where ground turns to ocean;
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์œก์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด๊ณ 
04:25
the place where your present turns into the future.
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ํ˜„์žฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:30
And Marlene had walked this way --
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๋ง๋ฆฐ์ด ๊ฑธ์–ด์˜จ ๊ธธ์€ ์ด๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
she just graduated as a 23-year-old from the University of Sligo
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” 23์‚ด์— ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
04:35
with a degree in Irish drama.
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์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ ์—ฐ๊ทน์„ ์ „๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:38
And she said to me, "I don't think the major corporations of the world
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
"์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ๋Œ€๊ธฐ์—…์—์„œ๋Š” ์ € ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ฐพ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”."
04:41
will be knocking on my door."
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04:43
I said, "Listen, I've worked in corporations all over the world
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"์–˜์•ผ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜์‹ญ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์ง์žฅ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
04:46
for decades;
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์—ฐ๊ทน ์ „๊ณต์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์žฌ๊ณ„์˜ ์–ด๋ฅด์‹ ๋“ค์„ ์ƒ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ์—
04:47
a degree in drama is what would most prepare you for the adult --
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04:51
(Laughter)
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04:52
corporate world."
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๋”ฑ ์•ˆ์„ฑ๋งž์ถค์ด์ง€.
04:53
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
04:55
But she said, "I'm not interested in that, anyway.
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๊ทธ ์• ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. "๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ €๋Š” ์ „๊ณต์ด ๋ณ„๋กœ ์žฌ๋ฐŒ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”."
"์ €๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ทน์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ทน์ž‘๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”."
04:58
I don't want to teach drama, I want to become a dramatist.
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05:01
I want to write plays.
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"ํฌ๊ณก์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”."
"์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์„ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์„œ์˜€์–ด์š”."
05:04
So I walked the Camino in order to give myself some courage,
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in order to walk into my future."
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"์ œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•ด ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”."
05:10
And I said, "What was the most powerful moment you had on the whole Camino,
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"์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํž˜์„ ์–ป์€ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์–ธ์ œ์˜€๋‹ˆ?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
"๊ฐ€์žฅ ํž˜์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋ง์ด์•ผ."
05:14
the very most powerful moment?"
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๊ทธ ์• ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. "ํž˜์ด ๋œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ๋งŽ์•˜์ง€๋งŒ"
05:16
She said, "I had many powerful moments,
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"์Œ, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํž˜์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๋˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์นœ ๋’ค์˜€์–ด์š”."
05:18
but you know, the most powerful moment was post-Camino,
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"์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ์—์„œ ์‚ฌํ˜์„ ๋” ๊ฑธ์–ด์„œ ํ”ผ๋‹ˆ์Šคํ…Œ๋ ˆ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ ๋์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ์˜€์ฃ ."
05:22
was the three days you go on from Santiago and come to this cliff edge.
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05:26
And you go through three rituals.
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"๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜์‹์„ ์น˜๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ์š”."
05:27
The first ritual is to eat a tapas plate of scallops" --
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"์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜์‹์€ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ๋น„ ๊ป์งˆ์— ๋‹ด์€ ํŒŒ์Šคํƒ€๋ฅผ ๋จน๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. "
05:32
or if you're vegetarian,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฑ„์‹์ฃผ์˜์ž๋ผ๋ฉด
05:34
to contemplate the scallop shell.
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๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ๋น„ ๊ป์งˆ์ด ์ข€ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ ์“ฐ์ด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
05:36
(Laughter)
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ๋น„ ๊ป์งˆ์€ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์˜ ์ƒ์ง•์ด์ž ์ฆํ‘œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
05:38
Because the scallop shell has been the icon and badge of your walk,
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05:42
and every arrow that you have seen along that way
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์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋†“์ธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ด์ •ํ‘œ์—๋Š”
05:45
has been pointing underneath a scallop shell.
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ํ™”์‚ดํ‘œ ์œ„์— ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ๋น„ ๊ป์งˆ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ์ฃ .
05:49
So really, this first ritual is saying:
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜์‹์ด ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:51
How did you get to this place?
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์ด ๊ณณ๊นŒ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์™”๋Š”๊ฐ€?
05:53
How did you follow the path to get here?
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์ด ๊ณณ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฑธ์–ด์™”๋Š”๊ฐ€?
05:56
How do you hold the conversation of life when you feel unbesieged,
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์†Œ์™ธ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ถ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•ด์™”๋Š”๊ฐ€?
๊ท€์ฐฎ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์—†๊ณ 
06:02
when you're unbullied,
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06:03
when you're left to yourself?
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ํ˜ผ์ž ๋ฒ„๋ ค์กŒ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์–ด๋– ํ–ˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€?
06:04
How do you hold the conversation of life that brings you to this place?
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ด๊ณณ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ถ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ฃ .
06:10
And the second ritual is that you burn something that you've brought.
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜์‹์€ ์ง€๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ํƒœ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์ฃ . "๋ง๋ฆฐ, ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋ญ˜ ํƒœ์› ๋‹ˆ?"
06:15
I said, "What did you burn, Marlene?"
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06:17
She said, "I burned a letter and two postcards."
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"์ €๋Š” ํŽธ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฝ์„œ ๋‘ ์žฅ์„ ํƒœ์› ์–ด์š”."
06:20
I said, "Astonishing.
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"๊ทธ๊ฑฐ, ๋†€๋ž„ ์ผ์ด๋„ค.
06:21
Twenty-three years old and you have paper.
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์Šค๋ฌผ์„ธ ์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข…์ด๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ..
06:23
I can't believe it."
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๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†๋„ค."
(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:25
(Laughter)
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06:26
I'm sure there's a Camino app
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์ €๋Š” ์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ ์•ฑ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
06:28
where you can just delete a traumatic text, you know?
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์“ธ๋ฐ์—†๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ง€์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
06:32
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
๋ฐ๊ฒŒ ํ‘œ์‹œ๋„ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ณ 
06:34
It will engage the flashlight,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ƒ‰์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ๋ถ„๋„ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ณ 
06:36
imbue it with color
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06:37
and disappear in a firework of flames.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ฝƒ๋†€์ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง€์ฃ .
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์“ด ๋’ค์—
06:42
But you either bring a letter or you write one there,
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06:45
and you burn it.
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํƒœ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:46
And of course we know intuitively what is on those letters and postcards.
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ทธ ํŽธ์ง€์™€ ์—ฝ์„œ์˜ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ง์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:50
It's a form of affection and love that is now no longer extant, yeah?
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์ด์ œ๋Š” ์ง‘์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์• ์ •์„ ๋‘์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ .
06:58
And then the third ritual:
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๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์จฐ ์˜์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:01
between all these fires are large piles of clothes.
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๊ทธ ํƒœ์šฐ๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์˜ท์ด ๊ฐ€๋“ ์Œ“์—ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:06
And you leave an item of clothing
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ž…์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„
07:08
that has helped you to get to this place.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋‘๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ง๋ฆฐ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "๋„ˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์— ๋ญ˜ ๋‘๊ณ  ์™”๋‹ˆ?"
07:12
And I said to Marlene, "What did you leave at the cliff edge?"
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. "์ „ ์žฅํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  ์™”์–ด์š”.
07:15
She said, "I left my boots --
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07:16
the very things that I walked in, actually.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑธ์„ ๋•Œ, ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
07:18
They were beautiful boots, I loved those boots,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜ˆ์œ ์žฅํ™”์˜€์–ด์š”.
07:21
but they were finished after seven weeks of walking.
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7์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ์˜ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚ฌ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋‹ค ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
07:24
So I walked away in my trainers,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šด๋™ํ™”๋กœ ๊ฐˆ์•„ ์‹ ๊ณ 
07:25
but I left my boots there."
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์žฅํ™”๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ๋‘๊ณ  ์™”์–ด์š”."
๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
07:27
She said, "It was really incredible.
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07:29
The most powerful moment was, the sun was going down,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€..
ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ณ  ๋‚œ ๋’ค์—, ๋ณด๋ฆ„๋‹ฌ์ด ๋“ฑ ๋’ค์—์„œ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋•Œ์˜€์–ด์š”.
07:33
but the full moon was coming up behind me.
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07:37
And the full moon was illuminated by the dying sun in such a powerful way
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ €๋ฌด๋Š” ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋ฆ„๋‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋น„์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
07:42
that even after the sun had dropped below the horizon,
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ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜ํ‰์„  ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ผ์•‰์€ ๋’ค์—๋„
07:45
the moon could still see that sun.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ฌ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
07:49
And I had a moon shadow,
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๋‹ฌ์ด ์ €์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ 
๊ณ„์† ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ์ œ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€์„œ์–‘์œผ๋กœ ์›€์ง์ด๋ฉฐ
07:52
and I was looking at my moon shadow walking across the Atlantic,
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07:57
across this ocean.
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๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋กœ์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ ์˜€์–ด์š”.
07:59
And I thought,
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๊ทธ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:00
'Oh! That's my new self going into the future.'
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'๊ทธ๋ž˜! ๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•ด ๊ฐ€๋Š”๊ตฌ๋‚˜.'
08:03
But suddenly I realized the sun was falling further.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„, ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ๊นŠ์ด ์ €๋ฌผ๋ฉด์„œ
08:09
The moon was losing its reflection,
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๋‹ฌ์— ๋ฐ˜์‚ฌ๋˜๋˜ ๋น›๋„ ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ผ๋“ค๊ณ 
08:13
and my shadow was disappearing.
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์ €์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž๋„ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์กŒ์–ด์š”.
08:15
The most powerful moment I had on the whole Camino
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์นด๋ฏธ๋…ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€
08:18
was when I realized I myself had to walk across that unknown sea
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๋‚˜์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฏธ์ง€์˜ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ•ด
๋‚˜ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๊ฑธ์–ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”."
08:24
into my future."
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08:27
Well, I was so taken by this story,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ์— ๋น ์ ธ๋“ค์–ด์„œ
08:29
I wrote this piece for her.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง‘์„ ํ–ฅํ•ด ์šด์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
08:31
We were driving at the time;
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08:32
we got home, I sat on the couch,
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์ง‘์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•œ ๋’ค, ์†ŒํŒŒ์— ์•‰์•„์„œ
08:34
I wrote until two in the morning --
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์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 2์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹ค๋“ค ์ด๋ฏธ ์ž ๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
08:36
everyone had gone to bed --
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08:37
and I gave it to Marlene at breakfast time.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์นจ์‹์‚ฌ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋ง๋ฆฐ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๊ฑด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:40
It's called, "Finisterre," for Marlene McCormack.
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๋ง๋ฆฐ ๋งฅ์ฝ”๋งฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ "ํ”ผ๋‹ˆ์Šคํ„ฐ"๋ผ๋Š” ์‹œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:46
"The road in the end
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"๊ธธ์€ ๋๋‚˜๊ณ 
08:47
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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๊ทธ ๊ธธ ๋์€ ํƒœ์–‘์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ๊ธธ๋กœ ํ–ฅํ•œ๋‹ค.
08:52
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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๊ทธ ๊ธธ ๋์€ ํƒœ์–‘์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ๊ธธ์„ ํ–ฅํ•ด
08:56
into the western sea
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์„œ์ชฝ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง„๋‹ค.
08:58
the road in the end taking the path the sun had taken
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๊ทธ ๊ธธ ๋์€ ํƒœ์–‘์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ๊ธธ์„ ํ–ฅํ•ด
09:01
into the western sea
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์„œ์ชฝ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
09:03
and the moon
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๋‘ฅ๊ทผ ๋‹ฌ ํ•˜๋‚˜
09:04
the moon rising behind you
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๋‘ฅ๊ทผ ๋‹ฌ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋•Œ
๋„ˆ๋Š” ์œก์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ํ™€๋กœ ์„œ ์žˆ๋‹ค.
09:07
as you stood where ground turned to ocean:
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09:11
no way to your future now
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
09:13
no way to your future now
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
09:14
except the way your shadow could take,
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๋„ˆ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ธธ์„ ํ–ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
walking before you across water, going where shadows go,
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๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅํ•œ ๊ธธ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฑด๋„ˆ๋ ค ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
09:20
no way to make sense of a world that wouldn't let you pass
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์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ด ์„ธ์ƒ์€ ๋„ˆ์˜ ์˜์ง€๋ฅผ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค.
09:25
except to call an end to the way you had come,
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์„ธ์ƒ์€ ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฑธ์–ด์˜จ ๊ธธ์„ ๋Š์–ด ๋†“๊ณ 
09:30
to take out each letter you had brought
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊บผ๋‚ด ๋†“์•„
09:35
and light their illumined corners;
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๋ฌผ๋“ค์ธ ๋ชจ์„œ๋ฆฌ์— ๋ถˆ์„ ๋ถ™์ด๋ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
๋Šฆ์€ ์„œ์ชฝ ๋ถˆ๋น›์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ํŽธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋„์›Œ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด๋ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
09:38
and to read them as they drifted on the late western light;
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09:43
to empty your bags
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๋„ˆ์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์„ ๋น„์šฐ๋ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
09:44
to empty your bags;
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๋„ˆ์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์„ ๋น„์›Œ
09:45
to sort this and to leave that
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๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์–ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๋ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
09:48
to sort this and to leave that;
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๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์–ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๊ธฐ๋ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์•ฝ์†ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๋ผ๋ฉฐ
09:52
to promise what you needed to promise all along
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09:56
to promise what you needed to promise all along,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์•ฝ์†ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๋ผ๋ฉฐ
09:59
and to abandon the shoes that brought you here
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์ด๊ณณ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ ค๋‹ค ์ค€ ๋„ˆ์˜ ์‹ ๋ฐœ์„ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ 
10:03
right at the water's edge,
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์ด๊ณณ ๋ฌผ๊ฐ€์— ๋‘๋ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
10:05
not because you had given up
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
10:07
not because you had given up
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
์ด์ œ ๋„ˆ๋Š”
10:09
but because now,
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10:10
you would find a different way to tread,
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ธธ์„ ์ฐพ์•„ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ฉฐ
์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฑธ ๊ฒฌ๋ŽŒ๋ƒˆ๊ณ 
10:13
and because, through it all,
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10:14
part of you would still walk on,
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๋„ˆ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ณ„์† ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋‹ค.
10:17
no matter how,
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋”๋ผ๋„
10:18
over the waves."
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์ € ํŒŒ๋„๋ฅผ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ."
10:22
"Finisterre."
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"ํ”ผ๋‹ˆ์Šคํ„ฐ(Finisterre)"
10:23
For Marlene McCormack --
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๋ง๋ฆฐ ๋งฅ์ฝ”๋งฅ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:25
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํฌ๊ณก์„ ๋ฌด๋Œ€์— ์˜ฌ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:35
who has already had her third play performed
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10:37
in off-off-off-off-Broadway --
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๋ธŒ๋กœ๋“œ์›จ์ด์—์„œ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ง„
๋”๋ธ”๋ฆฐ์—์„œ์š”.
10:41
in Dublin.
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10:42
(Laughter)
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(์์Œ)
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฑท๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
10:43
But she's on her way.
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10:45
This is the last piece.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์กฐ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
This is about the supposed arrival at the sum of all of our endeavors.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์ด ๊ฒฐ์‹ค์„ ๋งบ๋Š” ๋„์ฐฉ์—ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
10:53
In Santiago itself --
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์ด ์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:55
it could be Santiago,
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์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
10:56
it could be Mecca,
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๋ฉ”์นด๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
10:57
it could be Varanasi,
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๋ฐ”๋ผ๋‚˜์‹œ์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ 
๊ตํ† ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:59
it could be Kyoto,
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11:00
it could be that threshold you've set for yourself,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
11:05
the disturbing approach to the consummation of all your goals.
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๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์žฅ์• ๋ฌผ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ .
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์‚ถ์˜ ์—ฌ์ •์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์›€ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”..
11:13
And one of the difficulties about walking into your life,
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11:17
about coming into this body,
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์‹ ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ๋‚˜
์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ๊ฒช๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์›€์€
11:19
into this world fully,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ 
11:22
is you start to realize
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์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ™˜์ƒ์— ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žกํ˜€ ์žˆ์Œ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:24
that you have manufactured three abiding illusions
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11:30
that the rest of humanity has shared with you since the beginning of time.
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ํƒœ์ดˆ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ํ™˜์ƒ์ด์ฃ .
11:34
And the first illusion is that you can somehow construct a life
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ™˜์ƒ์€
์ž์‹ ์€ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์‚ถ์„ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:39
in which you are not vulnerable.
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11:42
You can somehow be immune to all of the difficulties
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์ž์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚œ๊ด€๊ณผ ์งˆ๋ณ‘, ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ํ™˜์ƒ์ด์ฃ .
11:47
and ill health and losses
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11:51
that humanity has been subject to since the beginning of time.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ํƒœ์ดˆ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฒช์–ด ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ž์—ฐ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋”๋ผ๋„
11:56
If we look out at the natural world,
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11:57
there's no part of that world
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์„ธ์ƒ ์–ด๋Š ๊ฒƒ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„
11:59
that doesn't go through cycles of, first, incipience,
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์ฒ˜์Œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋œ ์ˆœํ™˜์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:03
or hiddenness,
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์ˆจ๊ฒจ์ ธ ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด
12:04
but then growth, fullness,
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์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ํ’์„ฑํ•ด์กŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€
12:07
but then a beautiful, to begin with, disappearance,
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์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์›€์ด ์‹œ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ 
12:11
and then a very austere, full disappearance.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ฃผ ์ดˆ๋ผํ•ด์ ธ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์—†์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:14
We look at that, we say, "That's beautiful,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ•˜์ฃ .
"๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ ๊ณต์‹์˜ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜๋งŒ ๋ˆ„๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์„๊นŒ์š”?
12:16
but can I just have the first half of the equation, please?
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12:20
And when the disappearance is happening,
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์‚ฌ๊ทธ๋ผ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ฉด
12:22
I'll close my eyes and wait for the new cycle to come around."
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆˆ์„ ๊ฐ๊ณ  ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆœํ™˜์ด ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”."
12:25
Which means most human beings are at war with reality
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์ด ๋ง์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
์ฃผ์–ด์ง„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ํ˜„์‹ค๊ณผ ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:29
50 percent of the time.
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12:32
The mature identity
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์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•œ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค๋ฉด
12:37
is able to live in the full cycle.
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์ˆœํ™˜์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
12:40
The second illusion is,
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ™˜์ƒ์€
12:42
I can construct a life in which I will not have my heart broken.
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์ž์‹ ์€ ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฐ์• ํ•  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ์ ์ด์ฃ .
12:47
Romance is the first place we start to do it.
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12:49
When you're at the beginning of a new romance or a new marriage,
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์ด์ œ ๋ง‰ ์—ฐ์• ๋‚˜ ์‹ ํ˜ผ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:53
you say, "I have found the person who will not break my heart."
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"๋‚ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ์ƒ์ฒ˜ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
12:57
I'm sorry;
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์ฃ„์†กํ•œ ๋ง์”€์ด์ง€๋งŒ
์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ž์งˆ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฌด์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:59
you have chosen them out unconsciously for that exact core competency.
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13:04
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:05
They will break your heart.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ค„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
13:07
Why?
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์™œ๋ƒ๊ณ ์š”?
์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ฐฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:08
Because you care about them.
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๋‹ค๋“ค ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ์‹œ์ฃ ?
13:10
You look at parenting, yeah?
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13:12
Parenting: "I will be the perfect mother and father."
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค ์ž์‹ ์€ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์—„๋งˆ ์•„๋น ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ž๋…€๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ค„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
13:16
Your children will break your heart.
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13:18
And they don't even have to do anything spectacular or dramatic.
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๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์ผ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์˜ค์ฃ .
13:23
But usually, they do do something spectacular or dramatic --
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:27
(Laughter)
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ๋กœ ๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:28
to break your heart.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์™€ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ์ŠคํŒŒ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ„์ฒฉ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ƒํ™œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
And then they live with you as spies and saboteurs for years,
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13:33
watching your every psychological move,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋Š˜ ์‚ดํ”ผ๊ณ 
13:36
and spotting your every weakness.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์•ฝ์ ์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค ์–ด๋Š๋‚ 
13:39
And one day,
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13:40
when they're about 14 years old,
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด 14์‚ด์ด ๋˜๊ณ 
13:42
with your back turned to them,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ถ€์—Œ์—์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋“ฑ์„ ๋ณด์ธ ์ฑ„๋กœ
13:43
in the kitchen,
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13:45
while you're making something for them --
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์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ..
13:47
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:48
the psychological stiletto goes in.
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์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ด ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค์ฃ .
13:50
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:53
(Applause)
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13:58
And you say, "How did you know exactly where to place it?"
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ฃ . "๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์•ฝ์ ์ธ ๊ฑธ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ์•˜๋‹ˆ?"
14:02
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
14:03
And they say,
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์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜์ฃ .
14:04
"I've been watching you for --
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"๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ ๋Š˜ ์ง€์ผœ๋ดค์–ด์š”."
14:06
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
14:07
a good few years."
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"๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ญ‰ ์ง€์ผœ๋ดค์ฃ ."
14:11
And then we hope that our armored, professional personalities
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง์—…์  ์ „๋ฌธ์„ฑ์„ ๋ฌด์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
์ง์žฅ์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ์ƒ์ฒ˜ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ผ์„ ๋ง‰์•„์ค„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:17
will prevent us from having our heart broken in work.
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14:20
But if you're sincere about your work,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ง์žฅ์— ์• ์ฐฉ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:23
it should break your heart.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ‹ˆ๋ฆผ์—†์ด ์–ด๋Š ํ•œ๊ณ„์— ์ด๋ฅด๋Ÿฌ
14:26
You should get to thresholds
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14:27
where you do not know how to proceed.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค์ฃ .
์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:32
You do not know how to get from here to there.
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14:36
What does that do?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
14:37
It puts you into a proper relationship with reality.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ํ˜„์‹ค๊ณผ ์ ๋‹นํžˆ ํƒ€ํ˜‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:41
Why?
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์™œ๋ƒ๊ณ ์š”?
14:42
Because you have to ask for help.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:50
Heartbreak.
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๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ƒ์ฒ˜.
14:52
We don't have a choice about heartbreak,
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๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„์ง€ ๋ง์ง€ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:54
we only have a choice of having our hearts broken
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ์ƒ๋Œ€๊ฐ€
14:58
over people and things and projects that we deeply care about.
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์ž์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง ์• ์ฐฉ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ, ํ˜น์€ ์ผ์ธ์ง€๋งŒ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
15:05
And the last illusion is,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ํ™˜์ƒ์€
15:07
I can somehow plan enough and arrange things
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์ž˜ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ด€๋ฆฌ๋„ ์ž˜ ํ•ด์„œ
15:11
that I will be able to see the path to the end
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๊ฒฐ๋ง๊นŒ์ง€ ์ž˜ ์ด๋Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:15
right from where I'm standing,
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์ž์‹ ์ด ์„œ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ„์น˜์—์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
15:17
right to the horizon.
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์ € ์ˆ˜ํ‰์„ ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
15:20
But when you think about it,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด
์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ์–ด์ง„ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€
15:22
the only environment in which that would be true
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15:25
would be a flat desert,
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๊ด‘ํ™œํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ง‰์ผ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:28
empty of any other life.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ๋ช…์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ .
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ด‘ํ™œํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ง‰์—์„œ์กฐ์ฐจ
15:33
But even in a flat desert,
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15:34
the curvature of the earth would take the path away from you.
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์ง€๊ตฌ์˜ ๊ณก๋ฅ  ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ธธ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ฃ .
15:38
So, no;
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:40
you see the path,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๊ธธ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ 
15:41
and then you don't
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๋ˆˆ์„ ๋Œ๋ ธ๋”๋ผ๋„
15:43
and then you see it again.
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๊ทธ ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:45
So this is "Santiago,"
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์ด "์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ "์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:48
the supposed arrival,
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์ข…์ฐฉ์ง€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
15:51
which is a kind of return to the beginning all at the same time.
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๊ทธ์™€ ๋™์‹œ์— ์‹œ์ž‘์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ .
15:55
We have this experience of the journey,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—ฌํ–‰์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜์  ์ „ํ†ต์ธ ์ˆœ๋ก€๊ธธ์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์ฃ .
15:58
which is in all of our great spiritual traditions,
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16:00
of pilgrimage.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ์œก์ง€๋งŒ ๋”›๊ณ  ์„œ์„œ
16:02
But just by actually standing in the ground of your life fully,
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16:06
not trying to abstract yourself into a strategic future
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ๋ ค ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด
16:10
that's actually just an escape from present heartbreak;
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ˜„์‹ค์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋„๋ง์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๋•…์„ ๋”›๊ณ  ์„œ์„œ
16:14
the ability to stand in the ground of your life
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16:16
and to look at the horizon that is pulling you --
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜ํ‰์„ ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
16:20
in that moment,
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์—
16:21
you are the whole journey.
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์ •์ด ๋๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ .
16:23
You are the whole conversation.
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:27
"Santiago."
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"์‚ฐํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ (Santiago)"
16:28
"The road seen, then not seen
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"๊ธธ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง„๋‹ค.
16:31
the road seen, then not seen
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๊ธธ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง„๋‹ค.
์‚ฐ๋น„ํƒˆ์ด ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์•ผํ•  ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐ์ถ”์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ธ๋‹ค.
16:36
the hillside hiding then revealing the way you should take
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16:40
the road seen, then not seen
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๊ธธ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง„๋‹ค.
16:43
the hillside hiding then revealing the way you should take,
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์‚ฐ๋น„ํƒˆ์ด ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์•ผํ•  ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐ์ถ”์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ธ๋‹ค.
16:48
the road dropping away from you
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๊ธธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฉ€์–ด์ ธ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€๊ณ 
16:52
as if leaving you to walk on thin air,
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๋„ˆ๋Š” ์–‡์€ ๊ณต๊ธฐ ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑท๋„๋ก ๋ฒ„๋ ค์ง„ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค.
์ด์œฝ๊ณ  ๊ธธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ธ๋‹ค.
16:57
then catching you,
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16:58
catching you,
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๊ธธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด
16:59
holding you up, when you thought you would fall,
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๊ธฟ์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด์•ˆ๋Š”๋‹ค.
17:02
catching you,
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๊ธธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋‚ด
17:03
holding you up, when you thought you would fall,
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๊ธฟ์„ ์žƒ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด์•ˆ๋Š”๋‹ค.
17:05
and the way forward
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๊ธธ์€ ๊ณ„์† ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
17:07
the way forward always in the end
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๊ทธ ์ด์–ด์ง„ ๊ธธ์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜
๋„ค๊ฐ€ ์™”๋˜ ๊ธธ๋กœ ํ–ฅํ•œ๋‹ค.
17:11
the way that you came,
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17:12
the way forward always in the end
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๊ทธ ์ด์–ด์ง„ ๊ธธ์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜
17:14
the way that you came,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ์™”๋˜ ๊ธธ๋กœ ํ–ฅํ•œ๋‹ค.
17:15
the way that you followed, the way that carried you into your future,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฑท๋Š” ๊ธธ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋กœ ์ธ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ 
๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ด๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ๋ ค์˜จ๋‹ค.
17:19
that brought you to this place,
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17:20
that brought you to this place,
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๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์ด๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ๋ ค์˜จ๋‹ค.
17:23
no matter that it sometimes had to take your promise from you,
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋„ˆ์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ์†์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ 
17:28
no matter that it always had to break your heart along the way:
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์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ค„์ง€๋ผ๋„
17:34
the sense
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๊ทธ ๊ฐ์„ฑ
17:35
the sense of having walked from deep inside yourself
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๋„ˆ์˜ ์•ˆ ๊นŠ์€ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๊ฑธ์–ด๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ทธ ๊ฐ์„ฑ์€
17:40
out into the revelation,
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๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚œ๋‹ค.
17:43
to have risked yourself
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์œ„ํƒœ๋กœ์šด ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌํ•ด
17:45
for something that seemed to stand both inside you and far beyond you,
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๋„ˆ์˜ ๋‚ด๋ฉด๊ณผ ์™ธ๋ฉด์„ ์ผ์œผ์ผœ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ 
17:51
and that called you back in the end
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๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋˜๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์™€
17:53
to the only road you could follow,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฑธ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธธ๋กœ ์ธ๋„ํ•œ๋‹ค.
17:56
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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๋ˆ„๋”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์˜ ํž˜์œผ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธด๋‹ค.
18:00
walking as you did, in your rags of love
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๋ˆ„๋”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์˜ ํž˜์œผ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๊ณ 
18:03
and speaking in the voice that by night became a prayer for safe arrival,
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๊ทธ ๋ฐค์— ๋„ˆ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
๋ฌด์‚ฌํžˆ ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋„๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค.
18:10
so that one day
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค ์–ด๋Š๋‚ 
18:12
one day you realized
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๊ทธ ์–ด๋Š ๋‚  ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค.
18:14
that what you wanted had actually already happened
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์ด๋ฏธ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Œ์„.
๊ทธ ์–ด๋Š ๋‚  ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋Š”๋‹ค.
18:18
one day you realized
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง„ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Œ์„.
18:20
that what you wanted had actually already happened
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18:22
and long ago
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์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ „์— ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ์Œ์„.
18:23
and in the dwelling place in which you lived before you began,
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๊ธธ์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋˜ ๊ณณ์—์„œ
18:27
and that
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
18:28
and that every step along the way,
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๊ธธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋”›๋Š” ๊ฑธ์Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
18:31
every step along the way,
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๊ธธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‚ด๋”›๋Š” ๋„ค ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
๋„ˆ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ, ๋„ˆ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ, ๋„ˆ์˜ ์•ฝ์†์ด ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
you had carried the heart and the mind and the promise
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18:36
that first set you off and then drew you on,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค.
18:39
and that
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
18:41
and that you were more marvelous
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๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝ์ด๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
18:45
in your simple wish to find a way
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๊ธธ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๋Š” ๋„ˆ์˜ ์†Œ๋ฐ•ํ•œ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ.
18:48
you were more marvelous in your simple wish to find a way
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๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝ์ด๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธธ์„ ์ฐพ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฐ•ํ•œ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ผ ๋ฟ
18:52
than the gilded roofs of any destination you could reach
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๋„ค ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์ด ๋‹ฟ์„ ๊ณณ์˜ ํ™ฉ๊ธˆ๋น› ์ง€๋ถ•์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:56
you were more marvelous in that simple wish to find a way
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๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝ์ด๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธธ์„ ์ฐพ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฐ•ํ•œ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์ผ ๋ฟ
19:00
than the gilded roofs of any destination you could reach:
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๋„ค ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์ด ๋‹ฟ์„ ๊ณณ์˜ ํ™ฉ๊ธˆ๋น› ์ง€๋ถ•์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
19:03
as if, all along,
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19:04
you had thought the end point might be a city with golden domes,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ์ค„๊ณง ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ–ˆ์„ ๋„ˆ์˜ ๊ธธ ๋์˜ ํ™ฉ๊ธˆ์ง€๋ถ• ๋„์‹œ์™€
19:07
and cheering crowds,
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ํ™˜ํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค.
19:08
and turning the corner
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธธ๋ชจํ‰์ด๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„
19:10
at what you thought was the end of the road,
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๊ธธ์˜ ๋์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ณณ์—์„œ
19:15
you found just a simple reflection,
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐ˜์˜.
19:19
and a clear revelation beneath the face looking back
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๊ทธ ์•„๋ž˜์—์„œ ๋ง‘๊ฒŒ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚œ ์–ผ๊ตด์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๊ณ 
19:22
and beneath it another invitation,
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๊ทธ ์•„๋ž˜ ๋†“์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ดˆ๋Œ€์žฅ.
19:27
all in one glimpse
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์–ผํ• ๋ณด๊ธฐ์—
19:29
all in one glimpse:
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์–ผํ• ๋ณด๊ธฐ์—
19:31
like a person
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:33
like a person or a place you had sought forever
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๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋์—†์ด ์ฐพ์•„์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์žฅ์†Œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋์—†์ด ์ฐพ์•„์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์žฅ์†Œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:37
like a person or a place you had sought forever,
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19:40
like a bold field of freedom that beckoned you beyond;
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๋„ˆ์—๊ฒŒ ์†์ง“ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ด‘๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž์œ ์˜ ๋“คํŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ถ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:45
like another life
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19:46
like another life,
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๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ถ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:48
and the road
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๊ธธ์€
19:49
the road still stretching on."
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๊ธธ์€ ๋˜ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ด์–ด์ง„๋‹ค."
19:54
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
19:55
Thank you.
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19:56
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20:01
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:02
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20:07
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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20:10
You're very kind. Thank you.
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20:11
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