Bruce Bueno de Mesquita predicts Iran's future

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翻译人员: Weiyu Chen 校对人员: dahong zhang
00:18
What I'm going to try to do is explain to you
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我将很快的向大家解释一下
00:21
quickly how to predict,
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我们怎样预测未来
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and illustrate it with some predictions
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并且向大家展示一下
00:25
about what Iran is going to do in the next couple of years.
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我们对未来几年伊朗局势所做出的一些预测
00:30
In order to predict effectively,
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为了做出准确的预测
00:33
we need to use science.
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我们需要利用科学
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And the reason that we need to use science
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而利用科学的原因是
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is because then we can reproduce what we're doing;
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我们可以重复验证所得到的结果
00:41
it's not just wisdom or guesswork.
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这就不是智者的预言或者瞎猜
00:44
And if we can predict,
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如果我们可以预测未来
00:47
then we can engineer the future.
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我们就可以操纵未来
00:49
So if you are concerned to influence energy policy,
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换言之,当你想去左右国家能源政策的时候
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or you are concerned to influence national security policy,
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或者,当你想去影响国防政策
00:58
or health policy, or education,
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医疗政策或教育政策的时候
01:01
science -- and a particular branch of science -- is a way to do it,
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科学,其中一门科学将会为你指明未来
01:05
not the way we've been doing it,
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并不是靠我们所使用的方法
01:07
which is seat-of-the-pants wisdom.
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凭借经验或直觉去预言
01:09
Now before I get into how to do it
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现在,在我进入主题之前
01:11
let me give you a little truth in advertising,
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我先给大家一些事先声明,
01:14
because I'm not engaged in the business of magic.
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我不是算命的
01:17
There are lots of thing that the approach I take can predict,
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有一些东西我可以预测
01:21
and there are some that it can't.
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有一些我不能
01:23
It can predict complex negotiations
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我可以预测一些大型谈判
01:26
or situations involving coercion --
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牵涉强制力的一些情景
01:29
that is in essence everything that has to do with politics,
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总的来说,那就是所有和政治有关的事情
01:33
much of what has to do with business,
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也包括一部份商业方面的
01:35
but sorry, if you're looking to speculate in the stock market,
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但如果你想在股市抄底,那实在不好意思
01:41
I don't predict stock markets -- OK,
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我确实不能预测股票市场,不过,好吧
01:43
it's not going up any time really soon.
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反正最近是绝对不可能涨上去的
01:46
But I'm not engaged in doing that.
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但那是我不会预测的
01:49
I'm not engaged in predicting random number generators.
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我也不会去预测随机生成的数字
01:52
I actually get phone calls from people
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有人曾今打电话问我
01:54
who want to know what lottery numbers are going to win.
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下期中奖彩票号码是多少
01:57
I don't have a clue.
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那我爱莫能助。
02:00
I engage in the use of game theory, game theory is a branch of mathematics
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我所研究的是博弈论的应用,博弈论是数学的一个分支
02:04
and that means, sorry, that even in the study of politics,
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也就是说,对不起(文科生们),数学已经进入了
02:08
math has come into the picture.
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政治学的研究领域
02:11
We can no longer pretend that we just speculate about politics,
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我们现在不能被动的盲目的去推测政治
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we need to look at this in a rigorous way.
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我们应该采取科学严谨的方法。
02:18
Now, what is game theory about?
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那,到底什么是博弈论?
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It assumes that people are looking out for what's good for them.
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博弈论有一个假设,那就是人人为己
02:26
That doesn't seem terribly shocking --
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这并不是一个让人吃惊的假设
02:28
although it's controversial for a lot of people --
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尽管有很多人认为人人都是自私自利
02:30
that we are self-interested.
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是有争议的命题
02:34
In order to look out for what's best for them
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为了设法得到对自己最好的东西
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or what they think is best for them,
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或者是他们所认定的对自己最好的东西
02:38
people have values -- they identify what they want, and what they don't want.
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人们会通过他们不同的价值观,来识别他们所想要的和所憎恨的
02:42
And they have beliefs about what other people want,
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而且,他们对别人想要什么,不想要什么
02:45
and what other people don't want, how much power other people have,
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别人有多少势力,他们能拿走多少你想要的
02:48
how much those people could get in the way of whatever it is that you want.
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保留他们自己的观点
02:52
And they face limitations, constraints,
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他们会遇到一些条件限制,约束
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they may be weak, they may be located in the wrong part of the world,
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也许他们十分的不起眼,也许他们在不应在的一些地方
02:59
they may be Einstein, stuck away farming
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他们可能是爱因斯坦,但是被可能被困在
03:02
someplace in a rural village in India not being noticed,
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印度的某个村落在种田
03:06
as was the case for Ramanujan for a long time,
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就像拉马努金一样
03:09
a great mathematician but nobody noticed.
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一个很少人关注的印度天才数学家
03:12
Now who is rational?
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那,谁是理性的
03:14
A lot of people are worried about what is rationality about?
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很多人都在冥想到底什么是理性的
03:17
You know, what if people are rational?
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人人都是理性的
03:19
Mother Theresa, she was rational.
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特蕾莎修女,她是理性的
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Terrorists, they're rational.
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恐怖分子,他们也是理性
03:26
Pretty much everybody is rational.
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绝大多数人都是理性的
03:29
I think there are only two exceptions that I'm aware of --
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我只知道两种例外情况
03:32
two-year-olds, they are not rational,
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两岁大的孩子,他们不是理性的
03:34
they have very fickle preferences,
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他们想要的东西随时都在变
03:37
they switch what they think all the time,
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他们的思维方式也在不停的变化
03:39
and schizophrenics are probably not rational,
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精神分裂症患者也不是理性的
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but pretty much everybody else is rational.
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但除了以上两者以外,其他所有人都是理性的
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That is, they are just trying to do
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所谓理性,那就是人们试着去做
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what they think is in their own best interest.
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他们认为对他们自己最有利的事情
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Now in order to work out what people are going to do
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现在,为了预测人们将要做什么
03:53
to pursue their interests,
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来获取他们的个人利益
03:55
we have to think about who has influence in the world.
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我们研究那些有影响力的人物
03:57
If you're trying to influence corporations to change their behavior,
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如果,你想去左右一些企业的行为
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with regard to producing pollutants,
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例如,减少他们污染物的排放量
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one approach, the common approach,
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有一个方法,一种常见的方法
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is to exhort them to be better,
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那就是给他们一些忠告
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to explain to them what damage they're doing to the planet.
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告诉他们这些污染物正在破坏我们的地球
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And many of you may have noticed that doesn't have
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你会发现这些手段的效果
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as big an effect, as perhaps you would like it to have.
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并没有你所想象中的那么大
04:18
But if you show them that it's in their interest,
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但是,如果你告诉他们环保符合他们的利益
04:21
then they're responsive.
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他们就会有所回应
04:23
So, we have to work out who influences problems.
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所以,我们就应该找出谁是有影响力的人物。
04:26
If we're looking at Iran, the president of the United States
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如果我们研究伊朗,我们就会发现
04:28
we would like to think, may have some influence --
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美国总统会有一定的影响力
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certainly the president in Iran has some influence --
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当然伊朗的总统也有一定的影响力
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but we make a mistake if we just pay attention
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但我们会犯一个错误
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to the person at the top of the power ladder
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当我们只关心决策层的领导
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because that person doesn't know much about Iran,
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因为那个领导人不一定理解伊朗
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or about energy policy,
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抑或能源政策
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or about health care,
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或者医疗政策
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or about any particular policy.
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甚至有可能不了解任何的政策
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That person surrounds himself or herself with advisers.
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那个领导人的周围一定还有很多的顾问
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If we're talking about national security problems,
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若是我们在讨论国家安全问题
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maybe it's the Secretary of State,
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那个顾问可能是国务卿
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maybe it's the Secretary of Defense,
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可能是国防部长
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the Director of National Intelligence,
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情报部门的主任
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maybe the ambassador to the United Nations, or somebody else
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或者是驻联合国的大使,或是决策层自选的
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who they think is going to know more about the particular problem.
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一些相关问题专家。
05:09
But let's face it, the Secretary of State doesn't know much about Iran.
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但现实是,国务卿也不一定十分了解伊朗
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The secretary of defense doesn't know much about Iran.
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国防部长不一定十分了解伊朗
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Each of those people in turn
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这些顾问们,同样的
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has advisers who advise them,
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他们也被更多的顾问所包围着
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so they can advise the president.
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这样他们才能向总统进谏
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There are lots of people shaping decisions
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所以,是许多人影响做出决策
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and so if we want to predict correctly
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也就是说,如果我们想正确的做出预测
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we have to pay attention to everybody
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我们必须关注影响决策结果
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who is trying to shape the outcome,
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的每一个人
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not just the people at the pinnacle
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并不仅仅是在决策机构
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of the decision-making pyramid.
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金字塔尖上的人
05:40
Unfortunately, a lot of times we don't do that.
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但不幸的是,大多数时候我们没有这么做
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There's a good reason that we don't do that,
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我们有很好的理由不这样做,
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and there's a good reason that using game theory and computers,
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我们也有好的理由去利用博弈论和电脑
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we can overcome the limitation
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来克服仅仅关注在决策层的几个人
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of just looking at a few people.
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而做出预测的局限性
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Imagine a problem with just five decision-makers.
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让我们来假想一个仅有五个决策人的情况。
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Imagine for example
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比如说
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that Sally over here,
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Sally在那里
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wants to know what Harry, and Jane,
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她想知道Harry, Jane, George和Frank
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and George and Frank are thinking,
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在想些什么
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and sends messages to those people.
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她向其他人提供了一些信息
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Sally's giving her opinion to them,
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Sally在给其他人传达她的观点
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and they're giving their opinion to Sally.
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其他人把他们的观点告诉给她
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But Sally also wants to know
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但Sally还想知道
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what Harry is saying to these three,
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Harry在给其他三个人说了些什么
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and what they're saying to Harry.
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其他三个人有给Harry说了些什么
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And Harry wants to know
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然后Harry还想知道
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what each of those people are saying to each other, and so on,
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其他人有在说些什么,以此类推
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and Sally would like to know what Harry thinks those people are saying.
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Sally还想知道Harry认为其他人在说些什么
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That's a complicated problem; that's a lot to know.
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这就变成了一个很复杂的问题,太多的信息
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With five decision-makers
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当有五个决策人的时候
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there are a lot of linkages --
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就有很多的联系信息
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120, as a matter of fact,
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事实上有120个
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if you remember your factorials.
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如果你记得5的阶乘
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Five factorial is 120.
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5的阶乘是120
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Now you may be surprised to know
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但也许出乎你的意外
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that smart people can keep 120 things straight
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一个聪明的人可以在大脑里
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in their head.
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搞清楚120事情的来龙去脉
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Suppose we double the number of influencers
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但如果我们把决策人的数量翻一倍
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from five to 10.
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从五人到十人
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Does that mean we've doubled the number of pieces of information
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那我们是不是简单的关系的数量
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we need to know, from 120 to 240?
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也乘以2, 从120到240呢?
06:59
No. How about 10 times?
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不?十倍?
07:01
To 1,200? No.
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1200?不
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We've increased it to 3.6 million.
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我们事实上增加到了三百六十万条信息
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Nobody can keep that straight in their head.
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没人能够把这弄清楚
07:09
But computers,
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但是电脑可以
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they can. They don't need coffee breaks,
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它们可以。它们不用停下来喝咖啡
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they don't need vacations,
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它们不会放假
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they don't need to go to sleep at night,
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它们晚上不用睡觉
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they don't ask for raises either.
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他们也不会要求加薪
07:23
They can keep this information straight
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它们能够理清楚所有的信息
07:25
and that means that we can process the information.
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也就是说,我们可以利用它们来处理信息
07:28
So I'm going to talk to you about how to process it,
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接下来,我会告诉你们怎样来处理
07:30
and I'm going to give you some examples out of Iran,
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然后我会向你们展示一下关于伊朗的一些预测
07:33
and you're going to be wondering,
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你也许会纳闷儿了
07:35
"Why should we listen to this guy?
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我们凭什么相信这个家伙?
07:37
Why should we believe what he's saying?"
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为什么我们要听信他所说的?
07:40
So I'm going to show you a factoid.
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所以,我先让你们看个数据
07:44
This is an assessment by the Central Intelligence Agency
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这是中情局提供的一份评估报告
07:47
of the percentage of time
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关于我所提到的这个模型
07:49
that the model I'm talking about
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所做出的一些正确预测
07:51
is right in predicting things whose outcome is not yet known,
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反而是提供数据的专家
07:54
when the experts who provided the data inputs
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做出了错误的预测
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got it wrong.
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错误的预测
08:00
That's not my claim, that's a CIA claim -- you can read it,
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我不是自卖自夸,这是中情局的东西,你可以读到的
08:03
it was declassified a while ago. You can read it in a volume edited by
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这报告在前一阵子解的密。你可以在
08:06
H. Bradford Westerfield, Yale University Press.
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H. Bradford Westerfield编撰的一本书里读到,耶鲁大学出版社
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So, what do we need to know
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所以,我们需要什么样的信息
08:11
in order to predict?
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来做出预测呢?
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You may be surprised to find out we don't need to know very much.
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也许出乎你的意料之外,我们不需要太多的东西
08:16
We do need to know who has a stake
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我们需要知道的是:哪些人有利害关系
08:19
in trying to shape the outcome of a decision.
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并试图左右决策。
08:24
We need to know what they say they want,
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我们需要知道,他们口头上说的目标是什么
08:27
not what they want in their heart of hearts,
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不一定是他们真正心里所想的目标
08:30
not what they think they can get,
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不一定是他们认为他们能够得到的
08:32
but what they say they want, because that is a strategically chosen position,
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而是挂在嘴边的目的,因为那是一个策略性姿态
08:35
and we can work backwards from that
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我们可以反过来推测,到底什么是
08:37
to draw inferences about important features of their decision-making.
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真正的左右他们决策的重点。
08:41
We need to know how focused they are
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我们还需要知道,对于面临的问题
08:43
on the problem at hand.
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他们的关切程度有多少。
08:45
That is, how willing are they to drop what they're doing when the issue comes up,
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也就是说,当争议出现时,他们有多情愿放弃手头的东西
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and attend to it instead of something else that's on their plate --
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并且注意这些而不是盘子里的其他东西
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how big a deal is it to them?
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这些东西对他们的重要程度是多少?
08:54
And how much clout could they bring to bear
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我们还需知道 对这件事情到底他们能有多大的影响力
08:57
if they chose to engage on the issue?
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如果他们选择介入议题。
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If we know those things
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如果我们了解到了这些
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we can predict their behavior by assuming that everybody
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我们假设决策人都十分关心
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cares about two things on any decision.
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决策的两个东西(“名“与“利”),从而预测他们会做出的决策。
09:12
They care about the outcome. They'd like an outcome as close to
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他们重视结果,并尽可能的把最终决策
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what they are interested in as possible.
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拉向对自己有利的方向
09:17
They're careerists, they also care about getting credit --
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这些决策人也是干事业的,他们关心自己的信誉
09:20
there's ego involvement,
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成就感是一个因素
09:22
they want to be seen as important in shaping the outcome,
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他们希望别人把他们看成促成决策结果的重要人物
09:26
or as important, if it's their druthers, to block an outcome.
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或者,成为阻碍决策结果的产生的重要人物。
09:31
And so we have to figure out how they balance those two things.
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所以,我们还要找到他们名利双收的平衡点
09:34
Different people trade off
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对于最终决策和成就感
09:36
between standing by their outcome,
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人人都有不一样的权衡
09:39
faithfully holding to it, going down in a blaze of glory,
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有的人信守承诺,虔诚的追求荣光,
09:42
or giving it up, putting their finger in the wind,
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有的不管如何,见风使舵,
09:45
and doing whatever they think is going to be a winning position.
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朝着自认获利方向行动。
09:48
Most people fall in between, and if we can work out where they fall
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有的人站在在中间。如果我们知道他们的态度
09:51
we can work out how to negotiate with them
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我们就可以对他做相应的工作
09:53
to change their behavior.
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来改变他的行为
09:55
So with just that little bit of input
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所以,利用那些信息
09:58
we can work out what the choices are that people have,
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我们可以找出决策者们有什么样的选择
10:01
what the chances are that they're willing to take,
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他们愿意冒多大的风险
10:04
what they're after, what they value, what they want,
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他们想要什么,他们的价值观,他们的目的
10:07
and what they believe about other people.
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和他们认为别人想要什么
10:10
You might notice what we don't need to know:
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你可能注意到了有一些信息是不重要的
10:14
there's no history in here.
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我们不需要知道过去的历史
10:16
How they got to where they are
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他们怎么回到今天这个地步
10:18
may be important in shaping the input information,
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也许对他们做出决策很重要
10:20
but once we know where they are
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但一旦我们知道他们到了今天局势
10:22
we're worried about where they're going to be headed in the future.
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我们想知道的就是他们未来的发展方向
10:25
How they got there turns out not to be terribly critical in predicting.
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所以,今天的形势是如何形成的,在预测中并不关键
10:29
I remind you of that 90 percent accuracy rate.
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我再提醒下大家我们百分之九十的正确率
10:33
So where are we going to get this information?
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那么,我们怎样获得相关信息呢?
10:35
We can get this information
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我们通过各种渠道搜集信息
10:38
from the Internet, from The Economist,
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互联网,经济学人杂志
10:41
The Financial Times, The New York Times,
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金融时报,纽约时报
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U.S. News and World Report, lots of sources like that,
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美国新闻和世界报道,还有其他一些资源
10:47
or we can get it from asking experts
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或者我们会直接去询问那些
10:49
who spend their lives studying places and problems,
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花费了毕生精力来研究该地区和问题的专家
10:52
because those experts know this information.
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因为他们有大量的信息
10:55
If they don't know, who are the people trying to influence the decision,
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如果那些专家都不知道有哪些人在影响最终决策
10:58
how much clout do they have,
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那些人有多大能耐
11:00
how much they care about this issue, and what do they say they want,
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有多关心最终结果,那些人表面上的目的
11:03
are they experts? That's what it means to be an expert,
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那他们还是什么“专家”。作为专家
11:06
that's the basic stuff an expert needs to know.
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他们就应该知道这些基础问题的答案
11:10
Alright, lets turn to Iran.
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好,现在我们转向伊朗
11:12
Let me make three important predictions --
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我会做出三个重要的预测
11:15
you can check this out, time will tell.
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我们走着瞧,时间会证明一切
11:18
What is Iran going to do about its nuclear weapons program?
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伊朗的核武器计划是怎样的?
11:26
How secure is the theocratic regime in Iran?
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伊朗政教合一的政权是否稳定?
11:29
What's its future?
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它的未来怎样?
11:31
And everybody's best friend,
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还有我们大家的朋友
11:34
Ahmadinejad. How are things going for him?
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伊朗总统内贾德。 他的下场是怎样的?
11:37
How are things going to be working out for him in the next year or two?
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他未来一两年的日子好过吗?
11:43
You take a look at this, this is not based on statistics.
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你们可以看看这个,这些不是基于统计数字
11:46
I want to be very clear here. I'm not projecting some past data into the future.
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我想明确这一点。我不是在用过去的数字来预测未来
11:51
I've taken inputs on positions and so forth,
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我把各种有影响力的人物关于些问题所占的位置
11:54
run it through a computer model
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输入一个电脑模型
11:56
that had simulated the dynamics of interaction,
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并模拟真人动态互相影响的过程
11:59
and these are the simulated dynamics,
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这就是整个模拟的动态过程
12:01
the predictions about the path of policy.
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我们对伊朗核政策路线的预测
12:04
So you can see here on the vertical axis,
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你先可以看到纵轴
12:07
I haven't shown it all the way down to zero,
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我没有一直写到零
12:09
there are lots of other options, but here I'm just showing you the prediction,
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这还有其他很多可能,但我仅仅展示了我们的预测
12:12
so I've narrowed the scale.
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我也缩小了比例
12:14
Up at the top of the axis, "Build the Bomb."
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在纵轴的最高处写着 :制造核弹
12:17
At 130, we start somewhere above 130,
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在130这个位置,我们大概从130开始
12:21
between building a bomb, and making enough weapons-grade fuel
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那是在制造一枚核弹
12:24
so that you could build a bomb.
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和生产足够核武器原料之间
12:26
That's where, according to my analyses,
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根据我的分析,那就是
12:29
the Iranians were at the beginning of this year.
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伊朗人今年初所在的位置
12:32
And then the model makes predictions down the road.
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现在,我们的模型开是进行预测了
12:35
At 115 they would only produce enough weapons grade fuel
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在115,他们只会生产足够的核武器原料
12:39
to show that they know how, but they wouldn't build a weapon:
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以展示他们懂得怎么造,但他们不会去造
12:41
they would build a research quantity.
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他们会制造足够的原料用于科研
12:43
It would achieve some national pride,
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这样可以震震国威
12:45
but not go ahead and build a weapon.
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但不会去制造真正的核弹
12:48
And down at 100 they would build civilian nuclear energy,
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在下面100的地方,他们会制造和原料以用于核能生产
12:50
which is what they say is their objective.
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也就是他们口头上的目标
12:54
The yellow line shows us the most likely path.
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黄线告诉我们他们最有可能的路线
12:57
The yellow line includes an analysis
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这条黄线包括了
12:58
of 87 decision makers in Iran,
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87个重要的伊朗决策人
13:01
and a vast number of outside influencers
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和大量向伊朗施加压力
13:04
trying to pressure Iran into changing its behavior,
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的外国势力
13:07
various players in the United States, and Egypt,
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这包括: 美国,埃及
13:10
and Saudi Arabia, and Russia, European Union,
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沙特阿拉伯,俄罗斯,欧盟
13:12
Japan, so on and so forth.
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和日本,等等
13:14
The white line reproduces the analysis
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白线所代表的
13:18
if the international environment
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是将外国势力排除在外的伊朗政策走向
13:20
just left Iran to make its own internal decisions,
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如果国外势力不向伊朗施加压力
13:23
under its own domestic political pressures.
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让伊朗人自己做决定
13:25
That's not going to be happening,
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虽然那不会发生
13:27
but you can see that the line comes down faster
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但是你可以看到,线向下滑的更快了
13:31
if they're not put under international pressure,
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若没有国际压力的情况下
13:34
if they're allowed to pursue their own devices.
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而让他们自己发展
13:36
But in any event, by the end of this year,
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但不管怎样,在今年底
13:39
beginning of next year, we get to a stable equilibrium outcome.
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明年初,我们会有出现一个平衡
13:42
And that equilibrium is not what the United States would like,
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这个平衡不是美国想要的,
13:46
but it's probably an equilibrium that the United States can live with,
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不过这个平衡是美国可以忍受的,
13:49
and that a lot of others can live with.
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很多人都可以忍受它。
13:51
And that is that Iran will achieve that nationalist pride
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那就是,伊朗以制造足够的核武器原料
13:55
by making enough weapons-grade fuel, through research,
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获得民族自豪感,
13:59
so that they could show that they know how to make weapons-grade fuel,
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展示他们有能力制造武器级核燃料,
14:03
but not enough to actually build a bomb.
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但不够制造一枚核弹。
14:08
How is this happening?
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这是怎么会事?
14:10
Over here you can see this is the distribution
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在这里,你可以看到
14:14
of power in favor of civilian nuclear energy today,
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今天支持修建核电站的势力分布
14:19
this is what that power block is predicted to be like
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也就是说,这就是在2010年末,2011年初
14:22
by the late parts of 2010, early parts of 2011.
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这个可能性的支持者将会变成这样
14:28
Just about nobody supports research on weapons-grade fuel today,
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虽然今天没有支持生产足够核武器原料
14:32
but by 2011 that gets to be a big block,
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但在2011年,那一组人将变成最大的一块
14:35
and you put these two together, that's the controlling influence in Iran.
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把这两块放在一起,他们便成了控制伊朗的主流力量
14:39
Out here today, there are a bunch of people --
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在今天,有一群人
14:42
Ahmadinejad for example --
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比如说,内贾德先生
14:44
who would like not only to build a bomb,
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他们不仅想造一枚核弹
14:46
but test a bomb.
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还想实验一枚核弹
14:48
That power disappears completely;
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那一股势力在2011年
14:50
nobody supports that by 2011.
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将会彻底的消失
14:53
These guys are all shrinking,
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这些人在缩小
14:55
the power is all drifting out here,
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这股势力将会移向那里
14:58
so the outcome is going to be the weapons-grade fuel.
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所以结果将是他们会制造核武原料
15:01
Who are the winners and who are the losers in Iran?
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那么在伊朗到底谁是赢家和输家呢?
15:04
Take a look at these guys, they're growing in power,
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我们来看看这些人,他们的势力在增加
15:07
and by the way, this was done a while ago
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顺便说一下,这个预测做了有一阵子了
15:10
before the current economic crisis,
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在这次金融危机之前做的
15:12
and that's probably going to get steeper.
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那就是说 这条线也许会变得更陡
15:14
These folks are the moneyed interests in Iran,
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这条线代表的是金钱利益集团
15:16
the bankers, the oil people, the bazaaries.
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银行家,石油集团,商人
15:20
They are growing in political clout,
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他们的政治势力在扩大
15:23
as the mullahs are isolating themselves --
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而毛拉(伊斯兰神学家)们在孤立自己
15:26
with the exception of one group of mullahs,
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除了美国人不太了解的
15:28
who are not well known to Americans.
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一类毛拉没有这样
15:30
That's this line here, growing in power,
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他们就是这条线,他们的政治力量也在增长
15:32
these are what the Iranians call the quietists.
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这就是伊朗人所谓的“安静者”们
15:36
These are the Ayatollahs, mostly based in Qom,
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这些是在库姆(Qom)的阿亚图拉(伊斯兰教什叶派的最高宗教职衔),
15:39
who have great clout in the religious community,
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他们在伊朗宗教团体很有势力
15:43
have been quiet on politics and are going to be getting louder,
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他们现在虽然很安静,他们的声音变得越来越大
15:46
because they see Iran going in an unhealthy direction,
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因为他们认为伊朗的发展方向不健康
15:48
a direction contrary
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是与霍梅尼(伊朗1979革命精神领袖)构想
15:50
to what Khomeini had in mind.
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的路线完全相反
15:54
Here is Mr. Ahmadinejad.
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这条线是内贾德先生
15:56
Two things to notice: he's getting weaker,
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注意两件事,一 他越来越弱
15:59
and while he gets a lot of attention in the United States,
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他在美国确实吸引了很多的注意
16:01
he is not a major player in Iran.
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但他在伊朗并不是一个主要人物
16:03
He is on the way down.
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他已在下坡路上
16:05
OK, so I'd like you to take a little away from this.
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好吧,这我们就说到这里
16:09
Everything is not predictable: the stock market
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并不是所有的事情都可以被预测,股票市场
16:11
is, at least for me, not predictable,
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至少对我来说,是不可预测的
16:14
but most complicated negotiations are predictable.
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但是绝大多数的谈判是可以预测的
16:19
Again, whether we're talking health policy, education,
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再说一次, 无论是说医疗政策,教育政策
16:23
environment, energy,
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环境,能源政策
16:26
litigation, mergers,
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诉讼,公司合并
16:28
all of these are complicated problems
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所有这些复杂的问题
16:30
that are predictable,
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都是可以预测的
16:32
that this sort of technology can be applied to.
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都是适用这种技术的。
16:36
And the reason that being able to predict those things is important,
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我们可以去预测这些事情是很重要的
16:41
is not just because you might run a hedge fund and make money off of it,
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不仅仅因为你可以开个对冲基金来挣一大笔钱
16:44
but because if you can predict what people will do,
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而是因为你可以去预测人类的行为
16:47
you can engineer what they will do.
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然后去操纵他们的行为
16:50
And if you engineer what they do you can change the world,
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如果你可以操纵行为,那你就可以改变世界
16:52
you can get a better result.
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你可以得到一个更好的结果
16:54
I would like to leave you with one thought, which is
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我最终想说的一点是
16:57
for me, the dominant theme of this gathering,
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对我来说,这次集会的宗旨就是
17:02
and is the dominant theme of this way of thinking about the world.
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也就是应该是我们看待这个世界的宗旨
17:05
When people say to you,
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当有人说
17:08
"That's impossible,"
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“这不可能”
17:10
you say back to them,
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你回应道
17:12
"When you say 'That's impossible,'
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“当你说‘不可能’的时候”
17:14
you're confused with,
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你其实在说
17:16
'I don't know how to do it.'"
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“我不知道怎样去做”
17:19
Thank you.
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谢谢
17:21
(Applause)
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鼓掌
17:25
Chris Anderson: One question for you.
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我有一个问题
17:27
That was fascinating.
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那太让人着迷了
17:30
I love that you put it out there.
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我很喜欢你刚才讲的
17:33
I got very nervous halfway through the talk though,
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你说到一半的时候,我变得很紧张
17:35
just panicking whether you'd included in your model, the possibility that
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在你的模型中, 你是否认为
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putting this prediction out there might change the result.
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公布你的预测可能会改变未来结果
17:42
We've got 800 people in Tehran who watch TEDTalks.
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我们在德黑兰有800个人在观看TEDTalks
17:45
Bruce Bueno de Mesquita: I've thought about that,
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我想过这个问题
17:47
and since I've done a lot of work for the intelligence community,
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因为我和情报机构进行了大量的工作
17:51
they've also pondered that.
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他们也想过这个问题
17:53
It would be a good thing if
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如果人人都投入更多的注意力
17:56
people paid more attention, took seriously,
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更加的重视它
17:59
and engaged in the same sorts of calculations,
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进行同样的计算预测
18:01
because it would change things. But it would change things in two beneficial ways.
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我们可以改变很多的事情。 益处主要是两个方面的
18:05
It would hasten how quickly people arrive at an agreement,
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它可以催促人们达成一个协议
18:11
and so it would save everybody a lot of grief and time.
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所以大家都可以省很多不必要悲伤和时间
18:14
And, it would arrive at an agreement that everybody was happy with,
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然后,这个种协议是皆大欢喜的
18:18
without having to manipulate them so much --
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不用进行太多的操控
18:21
which is basically what I do, I manipulate them.
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那就是我所做的,操控结果
18:24
So it would be a good thing.
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所以,这是一个很好的东西
18:26
CA: So you're kind of trying to say, "People of Iran, this is your destiny, lets go there."
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那么,你就是在试着说:“伊朗的人们, 这就是你的命运, 大家就这样做吧."
18:30
BBM: Well, people of Iran, this is what many of you are going to evolve to want,
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我会说,伊朗的人们, 这就是你们期望达到的结果
18:36
and we could get there a lot sooner,
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我们可以更快的达成协议
18:38
and you would suffer a lot less trouble from economic sanctions,
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你们可以少受一点经济制裁
18:41
and we would suffer a lot less fear of the use of military force on our end,
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我们可以少一点军事行动的恐惧
18:47
and the world would be a better place.
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这个世界将会变得更加美好
18:49
CA: Here's hoping they hear it that way. Thank you very much Bruce.
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我们希望他们是这样认为的。谢谢你布鲁斯
18:52
BBM: Thank you.
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谢谢
18:54
(Applause)
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