Alwar Balasubramaniam: Art of substance and absence

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翻译人员: maomao yo 校对人员: Zhu Jie
00:16
The moment I say "school,"
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当我说“学校”这个词的时候,
00:18
so many memories come back to me.
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我的脑海里涌现出很多回忆。
00:22
It's like after every exam, when I walk out,
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就像每次考试后我走出教室时,
00:25
the teacher would say, "Hey, come.
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老师会说:“嘿,过来一下,
00:27
How did you do?"
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做得怎样啊?”
00:29
I would say with a great smile, "I will definitely pass."
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我会咧开嘴笑:“我一定会及格的,放心吧。”
00:31
And I didn't understand why,
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那时我不懂为什么,
00:33
in one hand they say, "Speak the truth,"
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一方面他们说:“要说真话,”
00:35
in the other hand, when you say the truth, they hated you.
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另一方面,当你说真话的时候,他们又不满意了。
所以一直那样纠结着,
00:38
So it went on like that,
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00:39
and I didn't know where else to find myself.
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找不到自己的位置。
00:42
So I remember those nights
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我记得那些个夜晚,
00:44
I used to go to sleep
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睡觉前
00:46
with asking help from [the] Unknown
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我会向未知求助,
00:49
because, for some reason,
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因为,由于某种原因,
00:51
I couldn't believe what my father and mother
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我不能奉我父母
00:53
hanged in the Puja room as a god,
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挂在梵刹内的东西为神,
00:56
because my friend's family
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因为我朋友家
00:58
had something else as a god.
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又信另一种神。
01:00
So I thought, "I guess I'll pray to [the] Unknown
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所以我对自个儿说:“还是不要指名道姓好了,
01:02
and ask help,"
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得到帮助的机会会大点儿。”
01:05
and started getting help from everywhere,
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至此以后便一发不可收拾,
01:07
each and every corner of my life at that time.
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什么神都来帮我了。
01:11
My brothers started giving me a few tips about drawing and painting.
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比如我老哥开始在绘画上给我一些指点。
01:14
Then, when I was in eighth standard
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然后,当我上八年级
01:17
around 13 years old,
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大概13岁的时候,
01:20
I started working in a part-time job
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开始在一个叫putu的制作招牌的艺术家那儿
01:22
in one of the signboard artists called Putu.
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兼职。
01:28
And then school also started supporting me.
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又比如,学校开始给我提供支持与帮助:
01:30
"Oh, he's bad at studies,
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“哦,他在学习上是没什么花头了,
01:32
but let him send to the drawing competitions."
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不过送他去绘画比赛也许有戏。”
01:35
So it was good to survive with that little tool
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所以我得以幸存,
01:38
that I found to find my own place in school.
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并找到了自己在学校里的位置。
01:42
And one of those competitions,
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在其中一次比赛中,
01:44
I just won a small, little transistor Philips radio.
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我赢来了一个小小的飞利浦的晶体管收音机。
01:47
And I didn't have the patience to wait
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我那时极为猴急。
01:49
until I reached home.
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等不到回家就把它拆开了。
01:51
So I just switched on in the train, loudly.
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还在火车上,我调大了音量。
01:53
If you travel in Indian trains,
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如果你坐过印度火车,
01:55
you can see people listening to radio
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就知道人们喜欢听收音机。
01:57
and, you know, even from their mobiles.
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甚至用手机听。
01:59
So at that time -- and I was 13 --
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而那时候,-我才13--
02:01
and I was listening to just radio,
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所以我也听收音机,
02:04
and someone happened to sit next to me,
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正好就有个人坐我旁边,
02:06
like these three people are sitting here.
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就像坐在这边的这三个人一样。
02:08
You know, like just adjacent to me.
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就是坐我旁边啦。
02:10
He just started asking, "Where did you buy the radio? How much is it?"
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他就开问了:“这收音机哪儿买的?多少钱啊?”
02:13
I said, "It's a prize from [an] art competition."
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我说:“这可是画画比赛的奖品。”
02:16
And he said, "Oh, I teach at a college of arts.
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他说:“哦,我在大学里教画画呢。
02:19
I think
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我觉得,
02:21
you should study in a school of art.
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你应该在艺术学校里学习,
02:23
You just quit school and come there."
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你直接退了学去那儿吧。”
02:25
So, why I'm telling you this,
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所以,我和你说这个的目的是,
02:27
you know, maybe, you know,
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也许,
02:29
whoever is sitting next to you can change your whole life -- it's possible.
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无论谁坐在你旁边,都可能改变你的人生。这是有可能的。
02:32
It is that we need we need to be open and fine-tuned.
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只要我们足够思想开明并具备潜质。
02:36
So that's what made me enter
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所以,这就是支持我
02:39
[the] college of arts after three attempts
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失败三次仍继续尝试,
02:42
and just continue to inquire
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并最终进入艺术学院,
02:45
what I really want to do with art work, or art
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去做我真正想要从事的艺术工作,
02:48
and finally I'm here in front of you.
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并最终站在你们面前的动力。
02:50
When I look back, you know,
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当我回首往事,
02:52
on what happened between that time
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去想在那时候与现在这段时间之间,
02:54
and now here --
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发生的事,
02:57
the last 10/15 years --
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在过去的10或15年里,
02:59
I can see that most of the works
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我总结出大部分作品,
03:01
revolve around three subjects,
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都围绕着三个主题,
03:04
but it was not intentional.
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但这不是故意的。
03:06
And I just start out with a trace because I was thinking,
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我的脑海里浮现出一道轨迹,
03:08
"What really makes us?" -- you know,
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因为我在想,“究竟什么造就了我们?”
03:10
it's actually [the] past, what makes a person.
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然后我恍然:是过去啊,是过去造就了我们。”
03:14
So I was thinking,
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所以我想,
03:16
but when you look at the past,
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当你回首过去,
03:18
the way to understand the past
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去理解过去的方法,
03:20
is only by the traces available,
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只有沿着留下的痕迹去追寻。
03:22
because we cannot go back [to] the past.
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因为 过去已如泥沙沉淀。
03:24
It can be ruins, or it can be music,
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它可能是一堆残骸,也可能是一曲仙乐,
03:26
or it can be painting or drawing or writing, whatever it is.
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又或者留在油彩或墨水中,任何方式,
03:29
But it is just a kind of trace of that time.
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但,这些都是时间的指纹。
03:34
And that fascinated me,
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我沉迷于此,
03:36
to explore that territory.
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沉迷于开拓这片艺术的疆土。
03:40
So I was working on the line,
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所以当我遨游于线条之间,
03:43
but instead of working about traces,
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去收拾这些痕迹,
03:47
I started capturing traces.
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捕捉他们,描绘他们。
03:50
So here are some of the works I would like to show you.
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现在我想给你们展示其中的一些作品。
03:53
So this is called "Self In Progress."
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这叫做:“进步的自我。”
03:56
It's just a trace of being in this body.
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它是寄居于这个身体的一道痕迹。
03:59
So here, what happened then,
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然后呢,
04:01
you know -- what I really enjoyed the most
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身体真的非常享受这个模具,
04:03
is that this sculpture
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就像这个雕像,
04:05
is nothing but a trace of myself.
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就是从我自己的过去而来的。
04:09
It's almost like a 3D photograph.
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简直就像一张3D照片。
04:11
So there is an element of performance,
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里面有表演的元素,
04:13
and there is an element of sculpture,
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雕刻的元素,
04:15
and there is an element of feeling one's self, so close to one's self.
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还有接近自我,感知自我的元素。
04:18
So it's almost like fossils for the future.
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简直就像献给未来的化石。
04:21
And then moved slowly
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然后呢,慢慢移动,
04:23
to explore the other possibilities of capturing traces.
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去探索捕捉过去的各种可能。
04:29
So this is what I was talking about, while molding,
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所以,这就是我制模时候讲的话。
04:32
it's such a great experience,
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这种体验非常之棒,
04:34
because we have freedom of like walking,
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因为我们拥有自由如走路,
04:36
or moving my hand or, moving around in the space,
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自由地挥挥手。
04:39
but the moment this becomes solid,
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但是在一瞬间这些都凝固了,
04:42
when you cannot move even an inch,
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你一动也不能动,
04:45
because this is plaster of Paris, so the moment you pour it it's like liquid;
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因为他是熟石灰,这一刻它流动自如,
04:48
but after 20 minutes, it's almost like a hard stone.
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20分钟后,他就硬如磐石了。
04:52
So this is capturing the trace of a thumbprint
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这是对指纹的捕捉,
04:56
because, knowingly or unknowingly,
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因为,知觉或不知,
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whatever we do, you know, we leave our traces here.
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无论我们做什么,总是留下痕迹。
05:01
So I just thought, "I'm going to capture
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所以我想,我将捕捉,
05:04
thumbprint, footprint,
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指纹,趾纹。
05:06
or whatever traces we leave as humans."
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任何我们作为人类留下的痕迹。
05:09
This is the trace of fire,
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这是火的痕迹,
05:12
this is the trace of sun.
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这是太阳的。
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Because when I was capturing traces, you know,
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因为当我捕捉痕迹时,
05:17
this thought comes to me always:
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我总是想到,
05:20
is it, only when the object touches the thing and it leaves the trace,
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是不是,一个物体自由移动,碰到了另一个物体,留下了痕迹,
05:23
or is there other ways to capture it?"
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或有没有其他方法来捕捉他呢?”
05:25
So this work is nothing but like --
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这个作品是--
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because of the focal length of the lens,
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因为镜头的焦距问题,
05:29
it just shows what is on the other side.
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他只显示出了另外一边是什么。
05:33
So I just put the paper on the focal length,
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所以我就把纸放在焦距上,
05:35
which was an etching print,
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他是张蚀刻画,
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then I got the portrait of [the] sun from sunlight.
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然后从阳光那儿我就得到了太阳的肖像。
05:41
This is called "Dawn to Dawn."
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这个叫“黎明”
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What I did here, I just put like 10 feet [of] paper
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我做的呢,就是,放了10英尺的纸
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then put a coconut rope,
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然后
05:48
and just burnt it.
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恩,
05:50
So it took about 24 hours to get this line.
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花了24小时弄的。
05:52
So wherever the fire is eating the paper,
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所以无论哪儿纸张在被火侵蚀,
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that's what becomes the work --
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他就成了作品了。
05:56
detail.
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细节。
06:02
Even though we have traces
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即使我们有痕迹,
06:04
when we try to understand them,
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当我们试图理解他们,
06:08
the perception and context
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知觉和环境
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play a major role to understand it.
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起的作用最大。
06:12
So do we really understand what it is,
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所以我们真正理解了吗,
06:15
or are we trying to get
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或我们只是
06:17
what we think it is?
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按我们臆想去理解他的呢?
06:19
Then move towards questioning the perception
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那么就提问直觉吧
06:21
because, even though there are traces,
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因为,即使有痕迹,
06:23
when you try to understand them, you know you play a major role.
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当你去理解时,你扮演的角色也是责任重大。
06:26
So like let's say even a simple act.
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就像,比如说,一项简单的行为中。
06:28
How many of you saw a cow crossing in India
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你们中多少人看到过印度的牛过马路,
06:31
while you were coming from Bangalore to Mysore?
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当你们从班加罗尔到迈索尔的时候?
06:33
Can you just raise the hand?
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举下手好吗?
06:36
If you just ask an opinion
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如果你问一个观点意见什么的,
06:38
of how, everyone can interpret it.
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每个人的理解都不一样。
06:41
Like, let's say, if a schoolteacher says,
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比如,一老师说的话,
06:43
she'll simply say, "To get to the other side."
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她会直接说,“为了到另一边去。”
06:45
Why the cow was crossing the road, you know.
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当被问及为什么奶牛穿越马路,你知道。
06:48
The answer can be so different if Potter said it.
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如果哈利波特说的话,答案又不一样了。
06:51
He would say, "For the greater good."
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他会说,“为了更大的利益。”
06:54
Martin Luther King would say,
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马丁路德金会说,
06:56
"I imagine a world where all cows will be free
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我有一个梦想,所有奶牛都获取自由去
06:59
to cross the road,
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穿越马路,
07:01
without having their motives called into question."
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而不受任何争议。”
07:04
(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:06
Imagine Moses comes now, and he sees
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想象一下摩斯现在来了,然后他看到了
07:08
the same cow walking around the street.
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那头同样的奶牛在穿越马路。
07:10
He would definitely say,
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他一定会说,
07:12
"God came down from heaven,
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“神仙下凡了,
07:15
and he said unto the cow,
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然后他对奶牛说,
07:18
'Thou shalt cross the road.'
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“汝应穿越马路。”
07:21
And cow crossed the road,
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然后奶牛穿越了马路,
07:23
and there was much rejoicing as a holy cow."
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然后大受鼓舞,天降神牛啊,天降神牛啊。
07:26
(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:28
Freud would say,
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弗洛伊德会说,
07:30
"The fact that you're at all concerned
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你如此关注的事实
07:32
reveals your underlying sexual insecurity."
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揭露了你隐藏的性欲。”
07:35
(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:37
If we ask Einstein,
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如果我们问爱因斯坦,
07:39
he would say, "Whether the cow crossed the road,
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他会说:“是奶牛穿越马路,
07:42
or the road moved underneath the cow,
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还是奶牛身下道路的移动,
07:44
depends on your frame of reference."
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都取决于你的参照系。”
07:46
(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:48
Or Buddha --
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那么,佛陀呢。
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if he saw the same cow, he would say,
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如果他看见了同一头奶牛,他会说,
07:52
"Asking this question denies your own nature [as a] cow."
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“问这个问题否定了你自身的奶牛本性。”
07:55
(Laughter)
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(笑)
07:58
So, what we see
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所以,我们看见的,
08:01
is just what we think often,
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经常只是我们的所想而已,
08:04
and most of the time, we don't see what it is.
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并且大部分时候,我们看不见事物的本质。
08:07
It just all depends on one's perception.
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我们只是依靠于我们的直觉。
08:10
And context, what is really context?
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那么情景呢,情景是什么?
08:13
You know, I could just show you this little piece of paper.
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我们来看一下这张小纸片就知道了。
08:16
Because I always think meaning doesn't really exist.
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因为我总是认为根本就没有什么意义之说。
08:21
The meaning of what we create in this world doesn't exist.
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我们在这世上的创造物根本是没什么意义的。
意义什么的只存在于我们的脑袋里。
08:24
It's just created by the mind.
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If you look at this piece of paper,
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如果你看着这张纸,
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this is the breadth
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这是宽,
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and this is called length.
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这是长,
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This is how we've been taught in school.
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这就是我们在学校里学到的。
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But if you tear it in the middle --
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但是如果你从中间把它撕开。
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now, I didn't touch this breadth,
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现在,我不碰到这宽,
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but still, the meaning of this changes.
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但改变仍然已经发生。
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So what we conceive as a meaning
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所以我们所谓意义,
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is always not there;
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根本是不存在的;
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it's on the other side,
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他在事物的另一面,
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even when we say dark, light,
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即使是我们说的黑暗,光亮,
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good, bad, tall, short --
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好,坏,高,矮--
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all meaning it doesn't exist in reality.
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现实中并不存在。
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It's just that being a human,
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那只是,作为一个人类,
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the way we train to perceive the reality
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通过被训练一些看待事物特定方法,
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creates this meaning.
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我们自个创造了意义。
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So this work from this period
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所以这阶段的这个作品,
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is mostly like --
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很像是--
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you know, this is a work called "Light Makes Dark."
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呃,他叫做“光明制造黑暗”
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It's just captured through from the lamp.
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这是从台灯那儿捕捉到的。
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So the lamp is not just giving a light, it's also giving a darkness.
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所以台灯不仅创造了光亮,也创造了黑暗。
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So this is a work of art, which is just trying to explore that.
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所以这就是一个试图探索这个主题的艺术作品。
09:20
This is called "Limit Out."
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这叫“无极限”
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This shows how limited our eye or hearing sense or touch --
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他展示了我们的视觉听觉的极度受限--
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do we really see?
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我们真的看到了吗?
09:27
This is an exact negative.
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这是个极好的佐证。
09:29
It's about six inches deep in the wall,
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它嵌在墙里大约6英尺,
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but it just appears like it's coming out of the wall.
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但看上去好像他正要从墙里钻出来呢。
09:37
You know the wall is almost like --
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这个墙就像是--
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this is the first skin, and this is the second,
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这是第一层表皮,第二层,
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and there's a third, and each creates a meaning.
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第三层,每一层都有一个意义。
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And we're just pulling the wall off the gallery.
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我们只是把墙脱离出整个画廊。。
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Again, "Inward Out."
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再一次,“里外”
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It's a full-figure cast from myself.
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它是由我自己铸成的。
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It's about eight inches deep.
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大概8英尺深。
09:56
When I was doing that, I always wondered since I've worked with creators --
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当我在做它的时候,总是怀疑自己曾与造物主合作--
09:59
and now you know, I've moved to questioning the perception --
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现在到了提问知觉的时候了--
10:02
whenever I see the bird flying in the sky,
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无论何时我看到有鸟在天上飞
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it just makes me feel like:
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就感到--
10:08
is there anything behind, are there any traces up there,
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他们有没有留下什么痕迹呢,有没有呢?
10:11
which as a human, we don't see them?
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作为人,我们无法用肉眼看到的痕迹?
10:14
Is there any way to capture the thought
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有没有一种方法能够把这种想法
10:17
into visual art?
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投射到可见的艺术当中?
10:20
I couldn't find it.
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我找不到。
10:23
But a solution arrived
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但是停止工作安静思考6,7个月后,
10:26
after being quiet and not working for about six, seven months,
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我终于想到了,
10:29
in the restroom,
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在一个餐馆里,
10:31
when I was changing the air freshener
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当我在换空气清新剂的时候。
10:34
that goes from solid substance to vapor.
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他从固体变为液体。
10:36
It's called Odonil.
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它就叫Odonil。
10:38
This is the work I made out of that material.
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这是我对那个素材的创作。
10:42
The process to get to make the sculpture was interesting,
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做雕塑的过程非常有趣。
10:44
because I wrote to Balsara,
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因为我给做空气清新剂Odonil的
10:46
who produces that air freshener called Odonil,
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Balsara公司写信。
10:48
saying, "Dear Sir, I am an artist. This is my catalogue.
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信上说,“亲爱的先生,我是名艺术家,这是我的履历。
10:50
Will you help me to make this sculpture?"
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你能帮我做这个雕塑吗?”
10:52
They never wrote back to me.
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他们没给我回信。
10:54
Then I thought, "I will go to the Small Scale Industries
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然后我就想,“那么我就去一些小作坊
10:57
Facilitating Unit and ask help."
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寻求帮助吧。”
10:59
So I told them, "I'd like to start an air freshener company."
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所以我告诉他们,“我想要开一家空气清新剂公司。”
11:03
They said, "Of course.
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他们说,“当然可以了。”
11:05
This is the fee for the project report,
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“这是工程价格报告,
11:07
and we will give you all the details," and they gave.
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过后会给你补充细节。”
11:09
Finally, I went back to them and said,
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最后,我又去找了他们告诉他们:
11:12
"It's not for starting the company, it's just to make my own work.
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我不是要开公司,只是想做我自己的作品。
11:15
Please come for the show."
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你们来看看我的演示吧。”
11:17
And they did.
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然后他们就来了。
11:19
And this work is in the Devi Art Foundation in Delhi.
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这幅作品是“德里的基础”
11:22
In India, nobody really talks about works of art;
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在印度,没有人真正关心艺术。
11:25
they always talk about the appreciation of art.
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他们只关心作品的价格,增值空间。
11:28
You buy this for 3,000 rupees,
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现在你用3000卢比买了这个,
11:30
it'll become 30,000 in two months.
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两个月后它就升值到30000了。
11:32
This is the craft that was going on,
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这就是事实,
11:34
but there are a few collectors
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但也有一些收藏者,
11:36
who also collect art which can depreciate.
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收藏可能贬值的作品。
11:38
And this was collected by Anupam --
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这是Anapum的收藏--
11:40
which is like, finally in the end, he will not have anything,
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其实最终它们不会值几个钱的。
因为价值会蒸发。
11:43
because it will evaporate.
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11:46
So this is after a few weeks,
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这是几星期以后的,
11:49
this is after a few months.
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几个月以后的。
11:51
It's just all about questioning the preconceptions.
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这只是一个关于先入为主的问题。
11:54
So if someone says, "Oh, I see the portrait,"
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所以如果有人说,“哦,我看过那肖像。”
11:57
it may not be the portrait after a few months.
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几个月后他可能就不是肖像了。
11:59
And if they say it's solid,
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如果他们说它是固体,
12:01
it will not be solid, it will evaporate.
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他有可能不是固体,他会蒸发。
12:04
And if they say they don't get it,
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如果他们说他们没拿到,
12:06
that's also not true,
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那也是谎言,
12:08
because it's in the air.
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因为他就弥漫于空气中,
12:10
It's in the same gallery or in the same museum.
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在同一个画廊或博物馆的空气中。
12:12
So they inhaled it,
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他们呼吸着它,
12:14
but they are not aware of it.
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却浑然不觉。
12:17
While I was doing that work,
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当我在完成那件作品时,
12:19
my mom and my dad,
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我老爸老妈,
12:21
they were looking at it and they said,
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看着他然后说,
12:23
"Why do you deal with negative subjects all the time?"
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“为什么你总是围绕着这些稀奇古怪的题材?”
12:26
And I was like, "What do you mean?"
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然后我就说,“什么意思啊?”
12:28
"Light makes dark and now evaporating self.
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“光亮制造了黑暗,然后现在又是会蒸发的细胞?
12:31
Don't you think it remained something about death," they said.
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你不觉得其中包含了一点关于死亡的意味吗?”他们说。
12:34
"Of course not. For me," I'm thinking,
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'“当然不是了,对于我来说。”我想,
12:36
"this is tucked in some small solid,
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“他是被塞入一些小的固体之中,
12:38
but the moment it evaporates,
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但他蒸发的瞬间,
12:40
it's merged with the whole."
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就融入了整个整体。”
12:42
But she said, "No. Still, I don't like it.
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但是她说,“不,我还是不喜欢他。
12:44
Can you make something from nothing
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你作为一个雕塑家,
12:46
as a sculptor?"
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能够实现从无到有的过程吗?”
12:48
I said, "No, mom. It can't be.
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我说,“不行,老妈,不行的。
12:50
Because we can create
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因为我们可以去
12:53
a sculpture
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把土黏在一起
12:55
by gathering dust together,
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去做一个雕塑,
12:57
or we can break the sculpture and get the dust,
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或者我们可以打破雕塑来得到泥土,
13:00
but there is nowhere that we can bring dust into the universe."
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但是我们不能创造泥土。”
13:03
So, I did this work for her.
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所以我为她制作了这件作品。
13:06
It's called "Emerging Angel."
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它叫“慢慢出现的天使”
13:08
This is the first day --
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这是第一天。
13:10
it just gives the appearance
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看起来像是
13:12
that one is becoming the other.
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一样食物变成了另一样。
13:14
So, the same sculpture
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所以,同一桌雕塑,
13:16
after a few days.
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几天之后,
13:20
This is after 15/20 days.
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这是15,20天之后,
13:23
Through that small little slit
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虽然那条小小的裂缝
13:25
between the glass box and the wood,
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存在于玻璃盒子和木头之间,
13:27
the air goes underneath the sculpture and creates the other one.
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空气钻进了雕塑,然后又产生了另一条裂缝。
13:30
This gave me a greater faith.
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但他给了我一个更大的启发。
13:32
That evaporating sculpture gave me a greater faith
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那个蒸发的雕塑给了我一个更大的,信念。
13:35
that maybe there is many more possibilities
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也许,会有更多的可能
13:37
to capture [the] invisible.
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去捕捉那些看不见的东西。
13:39
So what you see now
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所以你现在看到的东西,
13:41
is called "Shadow Foreshadow."
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叫做“预兆的影子”
13:44
And what I'd like to tell you
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我想告诉你的是,
13:46
is we don't see shadow, and we don't see light too;
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我们不是看见影子,也不是看见光亮,
13:49
we see the source of the light.
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我们看见的是光亮的源头。
13:51
We see where it's bouncing, but we don't see [them] as they exist.
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我们看到的是他们的反射物,而不是他们本身的存在。
13:54
You know, that's why the night sky, we see the sky as dark,
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你知道,这就是为什么,夜晚的时候。我们看到天是黑的,
13:57
but it's filled with light all the time.
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但其实他无时无刻不充满光亮。
13:59
When it's bounced on the moon, we see it.
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当他们在月球表面反射,我们看见了他。
14:01
The same thing in the darkroom.
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暗室也是同样道理。
14:03
The little dust particle will again, reflect the light,
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小的尘埃也会反射光亮,
14:06
and we realize the existence of light.
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然后我们就感觉出了光的存在。
14:08
So we don't see dark, we don't see light,
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我们看不到黑暗,也看不到光亮,
14:11
we don't see gravity, we don't see electricity.
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看不到引力,看不到电流。
14:14
So, I just started doing this work
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所以,我开始做这件作品
14:17
to inquire further
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来更深层次的探寻
14:20
about how to sculpt
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雕塑,
14:22
the space between this object and there.
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物体之间空间的方法。
14:25
Because, as a visual artist, if I'm seeing this and I'm seeing that --
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因为,在可视的艺术中,我看到了这个,那么我也看到了那个--
14:28
but how to sculpt this, you know?
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但是雕塑家们应该怎样去描绘呢?
14:31
If we sculpt this, this has two reference points.
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如果我们雕这个的话,他有两个参照点。
14:34
The skin of this is also representing this.
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它的表面也代表了这个。
14:37
And skin at the other end also represents the floor.
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另外一端的表皮也代表了地面。
14:40
I did this as an experiment
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我把这作为一项实验来做,
14:43
of casting the shadow.
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你知道,铸造影子。
14:45
So this is a corrugated box and its shadow.
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这个呢,是一个有波纹的盒子和他的影子。
14:48
Then the second one --
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第二个--
14:50
the moment you bring any invisible into the visible world
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你把不可见的东西可视化的那一刻,
14:53
it will have all the characteristics of the visible existence.
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它就具备了所有可视物体的性质了。
14:56
So that produced a shadow.
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所以他又有了一个影子。
14:58
Then I thought, okay, let me sculpt that.
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然后我想,好吧,让我把他雕出来。
15:00
Then, again, that becomes an object.
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然后,又一次地,他变成了一个物体。
15:02
Again, throwing light, then the third one.
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然后,第三个。
15:05
So what you see is nothing but shadow
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所以现在你只看得到影子的,
15:07
of a shadow of a shadow.
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影子的影子。
15:09
And then again, at that point, there is no shadow.
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然后又一次,在那个点上,没有影子。
15:12
I thought, "Oh, good. Work is finished."
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我想,“哦,好的,完成了。
15:16
You can see the detail.
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你能看到细节。
15:22
This is called "Gravity."
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它叫“引力”
15:29
It's called "Breath." It's just two holes on the gallery wall.
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它叫“宽”。他就是在画廊墙上的俩洞。
15:32
It's a false wall, which contains
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它是座假墙,里面有,
15:34
like 110 cubic feet.
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大概110立方英尺。
15:36
So that hole actually
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所以事实上,那个洞,
15:38
makes the air come out and go in.
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实现了空气的流通。
15:41
So where it's happening, we can see,
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我们能看见他在发生,
15:43
but what is happening will remain invisible only.
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但实际上发生的事永远是不可见的。
15:45
This is from the show called "Invisible," at Talwar Gallery.
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这是从Talwar画廊的一场秀上来的,
15:48
This is called "Kaayam."
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叫做“Kaayam”。
15:50
Detail.
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细节。
15:55
And what I'd like to tell you,
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我想告诉你的是,
15:58
our senses are so limited --
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我们的感官如此之受限,
16:00
we cannot hear everything, we cannot see everything.
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我们什么也得不到,什么也看不到。
16:02
We don't feel, "I am touching the air,"
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我们不能感觉,“我正在触摸空气,”
16:04
but if the breeze is a little more faster, then I can feel it.
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如果气流再快一点,那我能够感觉到他。
16:08
So all of our construction of reality
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所以所有我们关于现实的建构,
16:11
is through these limited senses.
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都是通过这些极受限的感官。
16:13
So my request was like,
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所以求援就像是,,
16:15
is there any way to use all this
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又没有一种方法来使用所有的这些
16:17
as just a symbol or a sign?
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作为纯粹的标志或记号?
16:21
And to really get to the point,
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而且真正要达到目的,
16:23
we should move beyond, you know,
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我们需要超越,
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go to the other side of the wall, like illogic,
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走到墙的另一面,逻辑上来说,
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like are invisible.
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看不见的地方。
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Because when we see someone walks, we see the footprint.
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因为我们看到某人走路时,我们看到了脚印。
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But if we're just cutting that footprint from the whole thing and trying to analyze it,
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但如果我们单纯把脚印截取出来,并试图去分析它,
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you will miss the point
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会有失偏颇,
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because the actual journey happens between those footprints,
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因为实际上旅程位于脚印之间,
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and the footprints are nothing but passing time.
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而脚印只不过是在时间里留下的痕迹。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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(Applause)
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