Alwar Balasubramaniam: Art of substance and absence

Prevoditelj: Damjan Kovač Recezent: Tilen Pigac - EFZG

The moment I say "school,"

U trenutku kada kažem "škola"

so many memories come back to me.

vrate mi se mnoga sjećanja.

It's like after every exam, when I walk out,

To je kao nakon svakog ispita, kada bih odlazio

the teacher would say, "Hey, come.

učitelj bi rekao, "Ej, dođi.

How did you do?"

Kako je prošlo?"

I would say with a great smile, "I will definitely pass."

Ja bih sa smiješkom konstatirao, "definitivno prolazim".

And I didn't understand why,

Nisam shvaćao zašto,

in one hand they say, "Speak the truth,"

s jedne strane kažu, "govori istinu",

in the other hand, when you say the truth, they hated you.

a s druge, kad bi rekao istinu, zamrzili bi te.

Nastavio sam tako,

So it went on like that,

and I didn't know where else to find myself.

ne znajući kako da pronađem sebe.

So I remember those nights

Sjećam se tih noći

I used to go to sleep

kada bih išao spavati

with asking help from [the] Unknown

tražeći pomoć od nepoznatog,

because, for some reason,

jer naprosto,

I couldn't believe what my father and mother

nisam znao da moji roditelji

hanged in the Puja room as a god,

sjede u sobi poput bogova,

because my friend's family

jer su obitelji prijatelja

had something else as a god.

imali nešto drugo kao Boga.

So I thought, "I guess I'll pray to [the] Unknown

Tako sam pomislio, "molit ću se nepoznatom

and ask help,"

tražeći pomoć",

and started getting help from everywhere,

te sam počeo dobivati pomoć sa svih strana,

each and every corner of my life at that time.

u svakoj situaciji mog života.

My brothers started giving me a few tips about drawing and painting.

Braća su mi počela davati savjete u vezi crtanja i slikanja.

Then, when I was in eighth standard

Kada sam bio u osmom razredu

around 13 years old,

oko 13-te godine života,

I started working in a part-time job

poćeo sam raditi povremeno

in one of the signboard artists called Putu.

u jednoj umjetničkoj radionici natpisa zvanoj Putu.

And then school also started supporting me.

Tada me i škola podržala.

"Oh, he's bad at studies,

"On je loš u učenju

but let him send to the drawing competitions."

ali pustimo ga na natjecanja iz crtanja".

So it was good to survive with that little tool

Bilo je dobro preživljavati s tim malim alatom

that I found to find my own place in school.

koji mi je pomogao pronaći svoje mjesto u školi.

And one of those competitions,

Na jednom od tih natjecanja,

I just won a small, little transistor Philips radio.

osvojio sam mali, sitni Philipsov radio.

And I didn't have the patience to wait

Nisam imao strpljenja čekati

until I reached home.

da dođem kući.

So I just switched on in the train, loudly.

Jednostavno sam ga glasno odvrnuo u vlaku.

If you travel in Indian trains,

Ako putujete u indijskom vlaku,

you can see people listening to radio

možete vidjeti ljude koji slušaju radio

and, you know, even from their mobiles.

čak i sa svojih mobitela.

So at that time -- and I was 13 --

U to vrijeme -- a imao sam 13 --

and I was listening to just radio,

i ja sam slušao radio,

and someone happened to sit next to me,

i slučajno je netko sjeo kraj mene,

like these three people are sitting here.

poput ovo troje ljudi koji ovdje sjede.

You know, like just adjacent to me.

Znate- tik do mene.

He just started asking, "Where did you buy the radio? How much is it?"

Počeo je ispitivati, "Gdje si kupio radio? Koliko košta?"

I said, "It's a prize from [an] art competition."

Rekao sam, "To je nagrada iz crtanja"

And he said, "Oh, I teach at a college of arts.

On je odgovorio, "o, pa ja podučavam umjetnost.

I think

Mislim

you should study in a school of art.

da bi trebao upisati umjetnički studij.

You just quit school and come there."

Odustani od škole i priključi se tamo."

So, why I'm telling you this,

I, dok vam ovo govorim,

you know, maybe, you know,

znate, možda, znate,

whoever is sitting next to you can change your whole life -- it's possible.

tko god sjedi do vas može vam potpuno promijeniti život. Moguće je.

It is that we need we need to be open and fine-tuned.

Trebamo biti otvoreni i fino podešeni.

So that's what made me enter

To me uvelo

[the] college of arts after three attempts

na studij umjetnosti nakon tri pokušaja

and just continue to inquire

te sam nastavio pokušavati raditi

what I really want to do with art work, or art

ono što stvarno želim raditi sa umjetninama ili umjetnošću,

and finally I'm here in front of you.

i napokon sam ovdje, ispred vas.

When I look back, you know,

Kada pogledam unatrag,znate,

on what happened between that time

što se tada dogodilo

and now here --

i sada, mislim, ovdje,

the last 10/15 years --

zadnjih 10, 15 godina,

I can see that most of the works

mogu vidjeti većinu radova

revolve around three subjects,

smijenjena oko tri teme,

but it was not intentional.

ali nije bilo namjerno.

And I just start out with a trace because I was thinking,

Nastavio sam sa potragom jer sam mislio,

"What really makes us?" -- you know,

"Što nas stvarno čini?" -- znate,

it's actually [the] past, what makes a person.

to je zapravo prošlost, ono što stvara osobu.

So I was thinking,

I mislio sam,

but when you look at the past,

ali kada pogledate prošlost,

the way to understand the past

način da je razumijete

is only by the traces available,

je jedino preko dostupnih tragova,

because we cannot go back [to] the past.

jer se u nju ne možemo vratiti.

It can be ruins, or it can be music,

Može biti ruševina ili muzika,

or it can be painting or drawing or writing, whatever it is.

ili crtež ili tekst, što god bilo.

But it is just a kind of trace of that time.

Ali to je svojevrstan trag tog vremena.

And that fascinated me,

To me nadahnulo,

to explore that territory.

da istražim taj prostor.

So I was working on the line,

Radio sam na temi,

but instead of working about traces,

ali umjesto da radim s tragovima,

I started capturing traces.

počeo sam ih bilježiti.

So here are some of the works I would like to show you.

Tako su ovdje neki radovi koje vam želim pokazati.

So this is called "Self In Progress."

Ovo se zove "Ja u Stvaranju."

It's just a trace of being in this body.

To je trag o bitku u ovom tijelu.

So here, what happened then,

Dakle, što se zatim dogodilo,

you know -- what I really enjoyed the most

znate ... ono u čemu sam najviše uživao

is that this sculpture

je to da ova skulptura

is nothing but a trace of myself.

nije ništa drugo osim moj trag.

It's almost like a 3D photograph.

Izgleda poput 3d fotografije.

So there is an element of performance,

Tu je jedan element performansa,

and there is an element of sculpture,

i jedan element skulpture,

and there is an element of feeling one's self, so close to one's self.

i jedan element osjećanja jednom-sebe, blizu jednog-sebe.

So it's almost like fossils for the future.

Poput fosila za budućnost.

And then moved slowly

Polako sam se primicao

to explore the other possibilities of capturing traces.

istraživanju ostalih mogućnosti bilježenja tragova.

So this is what I was talking about, while molding,

To je ono o čemu sam govorio, dok modeliram, znate,

it's such a great experience,

osjećam ogromno iskustvo,

because we have freedom of like walking,

zbog slobode koju imamo- poput hodanja,

or moving my hand or, moving around in the space,

ili pomicanja vlastite ruke, znate, kružnim pokretima u prostoru,

but the moment this becomes solid,

trenutak u kojem je ovo postalo čvrsto,

when you cannot move even an inch,

kada to više ne možete pomicati,

because this is plaster of Paris, so the moment you pour it it's like liquid;

jer je to pariški gips, u trenutku lijevanja ponaša se poput tekučine,

but after 20 minutes, it's almost like a hard stone.

a nakon 20-ak minuta, tvrdo je poput kamena.

So this is capturing the trace of a thumbprint

Ovo je bilježenje otiska prsta,

because, knowingly or unknowingly,

jer, znajući ili ne,

whatever we do, you know, we leave our traces here.

što god mi radili, ostavljamo trag.

So I just thought, "I'm going to capture

Tako sam pomislio, obilježit ću

thumbprint, footprint,

otisak prsta, stopala,

or whatever traces we leave as humans."

ili bilo koji drugi trag koji ostavljamo kao ljudi.

This is the trace of fire,

Ovo je trag vatre.

this is the trace of sun.

Sunca.

Because when I was capturing traces, you know,

Kad god bilježim tragove, znate,

this thought comes to me always:

ova misao mi se uvijek vrati, znate:

is it, only when the object touches the thing and it leaves the trace,

da li je to samo kada objekt takne neku stvar pa ostavi trag,

or is there other ways to capture it?"

ili postoje i drugi načini bilježenja?"

So this work is nothing but like --

Tako ovaj rad nije ništa osim slično kao --

because of the focal length of the lens,

jer zbog žarišne točke leće,

it just shows what is on the other side.

pokazuje samo što je na drugoj strani.

So I just put the paper on the focal length,

Tako sam jednostavno stavio papir na žarišnu točku,

which was an etching print,

koji je bio grafički print,

then I got the portrait of [the] sun from sunlight.

tako sam dobio sunčev portret iz sunčeve svijetlosti.

This is called "Dawn to Dawn."

Ovo se zove "Sumrak sumraku."

What I did here, I just put like 10 feet [of] paper

Ono što sam ovdje napravio je da sam stavio papir veličine 10 stopa

then put a coconut rope,

a zatim kokosovu vrpcu,

and just burnt it.

i jednostavno je zapalio.

So it took about 24 hours to get this line.

Trebalo je 24 sata za izradu ove linije.

So wherever the fire is eating the paper,

Tako je na mjestima gdje vatra jede papir,

that's what becomes the work --

to postalo djelo.

detail.

Detalj.

Even though we have traces

Čak i kad imamo tragove

when we try to understand them,

kada ih želimo razumjeti,

the perception and context

percepcija i kontekst

play a major role to understand it.

igraju veliku ulogu u razumjevanju.

So do we really understand what it is,

Da li stvarno razumijemo što je to,

or are we trying to get

ili samo pokušavamo dobiti

what we think it is?

što mi mislimo da jest?

Then move towards questioning the perception

Tada krenite dalje ispitivati percepciju

because, even though there are traces,

jer, iako postoje tragovi,

when you try to understand them, you know you play a major role.

kada ih pokušavate razumjeti, znate, igrate veliku ulogu.

So like let's say even a simple act.

Kao i kod, recimo jednostavne umjetnosti.

How many of you saw a cow crossing in India

Koliko vas je vidjelo kravu kako prelazi cestu u Indiji

while you were coming from Bangalore to Mysore?

dok ste dolazili iz Bangalore prema Mysori?

Can you just raise the hand?

Možete li podignuti ruke?

If you just ask an opinion

Ako samo zatražite mišljenje

of how, everyone can interpret it.

kako, svatko to može interpretirati.

Like, let's say, if a schoolteacher says,

Kao što, recimo, učitelji kažu,

she'll simply say, "To get to the other side."

oni će jednostavno reći, "da bi prešli na drugu stranu."

Why the cow was crossing the road, you know.

Zašto krave prelaze cestu.

The answer can be so different if Potter said it.

Odgovor može biti različit ako ga kaže Potter.

He would say, "For the greater good."

On bi rekao "za više dobro."

Martin Luther King would say,

Martin Luther King bi rekao,

"I imagine a world where all cows will be free

"Zamišljam svijet u kojemu će sve krave biti slobodne

to cross the road,

da prijeđu cestu,

without having their motives called into question."

bez da se njihovi motivi dovedu u pitanje."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Imagine Moses comes now, and he sees

Zamislite da sada dođe Mojsije, i vidi

the same cow walking around the street.

te iste krave kako hodaju po ulici.

He would definitely say,

Definitivno bi rekao

"God came down from heaven,

"Bog je sišao s nebesa,

and he said unto the cow,

i rekao je kravama,

'Thou shalt cross the road.'

'Vi ćete prijeći cestu.'

And cow crossed the road,

I krave su prešle cestu,

and there was much rejoicing as a holy cow."

i bijaše mnogo slavlja poput svete krave."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Freud would say,

Freud bi rekao,

"The fact that you're at all concerned

"Činjenica koja te zabrinjava

reveals your underlying sexual insecurity."

otkriva skrivenu seksualnu nesigurnost."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

If we ask Einstein,

Ako upitamo Einsteina,

he would say, "Whether the cow crossed the road,

on bi rekao, "Da li su krave prešle cestu,

or the road moved underneath the cow,

ili je cesta prošla ispod njih,

depends on your frame of reference."

ovisi o tvom stajalištu."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Or Buddha --

Ili Buddha.

if he saw the same cow, he would say,

Ako bi vidio te iste krave, rekao bi,

"Asking this question denies your own nature [as a] cow."

"Postavljanjem ovog pitanja niječeš svoju kravlju prirodu."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

So, what we see

Dakle, ono što vidimo

is just what we think often,

je često ono što mislimo,

and most of the time, we don't see what it is.

a većinu vremena to ne vidimo.

It just all depends on one's perception.

Sve ovisi o percepciji pojedinca.

And context, what is really context?

I kontekstu, što je zapravo kontekst?

You know, I could just show you this little piece of paper.

Mogu vam jednostavno pokazati ovaj komadić papira.

Because I always think meaning doesn't really exist.

Jer smatram da značenje ne postoji uvijek.

The meaning of what we create in this world doesn't exist.

Značenje onog što stvorimo na ovom svijetu zapravo ne postoji.

To je samo produkt uma.

It's just created by the mind.

If you look at this piece of paper,

Ako pogledate ovaj djelić papira,

this is the breadth

ovo je širina,

and this is called length.

a ovo se zove dužina.

This is how we've been taught in school.

To je kako nas uče u školi.

But if you tear it in the middle --

Ali ako ga rasparate po sredini ...

now, I didn't touch this breadth,

Sada, nisam dirao ovu širinu,

but still, the meaning of this changes.

ali ipak, značenje ovog se mijenja.

So what we conceive as a meaning

Dakle, ono što smatramo značenjem

is always not there;

nije uvijek tu,

it's on the other side,

već na drugoj strani,

even when we say dark, light,

čak i kada kažemo mrak, svijetlo,

good, bad, tall, short --

dobro, loše, visoko, kratko ---

all meaning it doesn't exist in reality.

sva ta značenja ne postoje u stvarnosti.

It's just that being a human,

Samo iz razloga jer smo ljudi,

the way we train to perceive the reality

načini uvježbavanja percepcije stvarnosti

creates this meaning.

stvaraju ova značenja.

So this work from this period

Stoga su radovi iz ovog perioda

is mostly like --

uglavnom poput ---

you know, this is a work called "Light Makes Dark."

znate, to je umjetnost zvana "Svijetlo stvara mrak."

It's just captured through from the lamp.

Samo je zabiježena preko svjetiljke.

So the lamp is not just giving a light, it's also giving a darkness.

Kada svjetiljka ne proizvodi svjetlo, ona također stvara mrak.

So this is a work of art, which is just trying to explore that.

Ovo su umjetnička djela koja to pokušavaju istražiti.

This is called "Limit Out."

To se zove "Izvan ograničenja."

This shows how limited our eye or hearing sense or touch --

Ovo pokazuje koliko su oči, sluh ili dodir ograničeni --

do we really see?

Da li stvarno vidimo?

This is an exact negative.

To je tipični negativ.

It's about six inches deep in the wall,

To je oko 15cm duboko u zidu,

but it just appears like it's coming out of the wall.

ali izgleda kao da iz njega izlazi.

You know the wall is almost like --

Znate, zid je poput --

this is the first skin, and this is the second,

ovo je prvi sloj, a ovo drugi,

and there's a third, and each creates a meaning.

ovo treći, i svaki stvara značenje.

And we're just pulling the wall off the gallery.

A mi jednostavno čupamo zid iz galerije.

Again, "Inward Out."

Ponovno, "Iznutra van."

It's a full-figure cast from myself.

To je puna figura koju sam odlio.

It's about eight inches deep.

Otprilike je 20cm duboka.

When I was doing that, I always wondered since I've worked with creators --

Dok sam to radio, uvijek sam se pitao kako sam radio s oblicima ---

and now you know, I've moved to questioning the perception --

a sada, znate, prešao sam na ispitivanje percepcije --

whenever I see the bird flying in the sky,

kad god vidim pticu na nebu,

it just makes me feel like:

znate, osjećam se poput:

is there anything behind, are there any traces up there,

ima li nečeg iza, ima li tragova ondje gore,

which as a human, we don't see them?

koji su ljudski, znate, i mi ih ne vidimo?

Is there any way to capture the thought

Ima li načina da se zabilježi misao

into visual art?

u vizualnoj umjetnosti?

I couldn't find it.

Nisam to mogao pronaći.

But a solution arrived

Ali je odgovor došao

after being quiet and not working for about six, seven months,

nakon što sam šutio i ništa radio oko 6 tjedana, sedam mjeseci,

in the restroom,

u kupaonici,

when I was changing the air freshener

kada sam mijenjao osvježivać zraka

that goes from solid substance to vapor.

koji se iz čvrste materije pretvarao u paru.

It's called Odonil.

Zove se Odonil.

This is the work I made out of that material.

Ovo je rad iz tog materijala.

The process to get to make the sculpture was interesting,

Proces izrade skulpture bio je zanimljiv,

because I wrote to Balsara,

jer sam pisao Balsari,

who produces that air freshener called Odonil,

koji je taj osvježivać izradio,

saying, "Dear Sir, I am an artist. This is my catalogue.

rekavši "Dragi gospodine, ja sam umjetnik. Ovo je moj katalog.

Will you help me to make this sculpture?"

Možete li mi pomoći pri izradi ove skulpture?"

They never wrote back to me.

Nikad mi nisu odgovorili.

Then I thought, "I will go to the Small Scale Industries

Onda sam pomislio, "Otići ću do tvornice malih poduzetnika

Facilitating Unit and ask help."

u jedinicu za pomoć i tražiti pomoć."

So I told them, "I'd like to start an air freshener company."

Rekao sam im, "Volio bih pokrenuti tvornicu osvježivaća zraka."

They said, "Of course.

Rekli su mi, "Naravno.

This is the fee for the project report,

Ovo je naknada za radni izvještaj,

and we will give you all the details," and they gave.

i dat ćemo vam sve detalje," i dali su mi.

Finally, I went back to them and said,

Napokon, vratio sam se i rekao,

"It's not for starting the company, it's just to make my own work.

"Nije to u vezi pokretanja radnje, već u svezi izrade vlastitog rada.

Please come for the show."

Molim vas dođite na izložbu."

And they did.

I došli su.

And this work is in the Devi Art Foundation in Delhi.

Ovi je u Devi Artu u Delhiju.

In India, nobody really talks about works of art;

U Indiji, nitko zapravo ne govori o umjetničkom radu.

they always talk about the appreciation of art.

Govore samo o poštovanju umjetnosti.

You buy this for 3,000 rupees,

Kupite ovo za 3,000 rupija,

it'll become 30,000 in two months.

bit će 30,000 za dva mjeseca.

This is the craft that was going on,

To je bila ucjena,

but there are a few collectors

ali postoji nekoliko kolekcionara

who also collect art which can depreciate.

koji skupljaju i umjetnost koja se može podcijeniti

And this was collected by Anupam --

Ovo je skupljeno od strane Anapuma --

which is like, finally in the end, he will not have anything,

koji na kraju neće imati ništa,

jer će ispariti.

because it will evaporate.

So this is after a few weeks,

Dakle to je nakon nekoliko tjedana.

this is after a few months.

To je nakon nekoliko mjeseci.

It's just all about questioning the preconceptions.

Sve je to preispitivanje ranih koncepcija.

So if someone says, "Oh, I see the portrait,"

Pa kad netko kaže, "O, vidim portret,"

it may not be the portrait after a few months.

možda neće biti portret za nekoliko mjeseci.

And if they say it's solid,

I ako kažu kako je čvrsto,

it will not be solid, it will evaporate.

neće biti više čvrsto, isparit će.

And if they say they don't get it,

I ako kažu da ne razumiju,

that's also not true,

to također nije istina,

because it's in the air.

jer se nalazi u zraku.

It's in the same gallery or in the same museum.

U istoj je galeriji ili u istom muzeju.

So they inhaled it,

Pa su to udahnuli,

but they are not aware of it.

ali toga nisu bili svijesni.

While I was doing that work,

Dok sam radio taj rad,

my mom and my dad,

moji roditelji,

they were looking at it and they said,

gledali su u to i rekli,

"Why do you deal with negative subjects all the time?"

"Zašto se uvijek baviš negativnim stvarima?"

And I was like, "What do you mean?"

Rekoh, "Kako to mislite?"

"Light makes dark and now evaporating self.

"Poput stvaranja mraka, a sad se isparavaš.

Don't you think it remained something about death," they said.

Ne misliš li da to podsjeća na smrt?" rekli su.

"Of course not. For me," I'm thinking,

"Naravno da ne. Za mene" mislio sam,

"this is tucked in some small solid,

"to je ugurano u neku malu čvrstoću,

but the moment it evaporates,

ali je trenutak ispario,

it's merged with the whole."

spojio se s cjelinom."

But she said, "No. Still, I don't like it.

Ali oni su rekli, "Ne. Ipak mi se ne sviđa.

Can you make something from nothing

Možeš li napraviti nešto iz ničega

as a sculptor?"

kao kipar?"

I said, "No, mom. It can't be.

Rekoh, "Ne mama. To ne može biti.

Because we can create

Jer možemo izrađivati

a sculpture

skulpturu

by gathering dust together,

skupljajući prašinu,

or we can break the sculpture and get the dust,

ili možemo razbiti skulpturu i dobiti prašinu,

but there is nowhere that we can bring dust into the universe."

ali nikako ne možemo dovesti prašinu u univerzum."

So, I did this work for her.

I tako, napravio sam ovaj rad za nju.

It's called "Emerging Angel."

Zove se "U nastajanju anđela."

This is the first day --

Ovo je prvi dan.

it just gives the appearance

Stvara se pojava

that one is becoming the other.

da jedno postaje ono drugo.

So, the same sculpture

I tako, ista skulptura

after a few days.

nakon nekoliko dana.

This is after 15/20 days.

Ovo je nakon 15, 20 dana.

Through that small little slit

Preko te male pukotine

between the glass box and the wood,

između staklene kutije i drva,

the air goes underneath the sculpture and creates the other one.

zrak prolazi ispod skulpture i stvara drugu.

This gave me a greater faith.

Ovo mi je dalo veče uvjerenje.

That evaporating sculpture gave me a greater faith

Ta isparavajuća skulptura podarila mi je snažniju vjeru

that maybe there is many more possibilities

u to da možda postoji više mogućnosti

to capture [the] invisible.

za bilježenjem nevidljivog.

So what you see now

Ovo što sad viditie

is called "Shadow Foreshadow."

zove se "Sjena predsjena."

And what I'd like to tell you

I što vam želim reći

is we don't see shadow, and we don't see light too;

je da ne vidimo sjenu, niti svijetlo.

we see the source of the light.

Vidimo izvor svijetla.

We see where it's bouncing, but we don't see [them] as they exist.

Vidimo gdje se odbija, ali ne vidimo kako postoji.

You know, that's why the night sky, we see the sky as dark,

Znate, to je razlog zašto na noćnom nebu, nebo vidimo kao tamu,

but it's filled with light all the time.

iako je cijelo vrijeme ispunjeno svjetlom.

When it's bounced on the moon, we see it.

Kada se odbije od mjeseca mi je vidimo.

The same thing in the darkroom.

Ista je stvar u mračnoj sobi.

The little dust particle will again, reflect the light,

Sitna čestica prašine ponovno će reflektirati svjetlo,

and we realize the existence of light.

i tad postajemo svijesni postojanja svjetla.

So we don't see dark, we don't see light,

dakle, ne vidimo mrak, ne vidimo svjetlo

we don't see gravity, we don't see electricity.

ne vidimo gravitaciju, ne vidimo elektricitet.

So, I just started doing this work

Upravo sam započeo ovaj rad

to inquire further

da dalje ispitam

about how to sculpt

kako kipariti

the space between this object and there.

prostor između ove stvari i onog tamo.

Because, as a visual artist, if I'm seeing this and I'm seeing that --

Jer, u vizualnoj umjetnosti vidim ovo, i vidim ono --

but how to sculpt this, you know?

ali kako to uobličiti?

If we sculpt this, this has two reference points.

Ako kiparimo ovo, ovo ima dvije referentne točke.

The skin of this is also representing this.

Plašt ovog također je ovo.

And skin at the other end also represents the floor.

I plašt na drugoj strani također je tvorevina poda.

I did this as an experiment

Ovo sam napravio kao pokus

of casting the shadow.

ljevanja sjene.

So this is a corrugated box and its shadow.

Tako je ovo valovita kutija i njena sjena.

Then the second one --

Zatim Drugi --

the moment you bring any invisible into the visible world

U trenutku kada nevidljivi svijet dovedete u vidljivi

it will have all the characteristics of the visible existence.

imat će karakteristike vidljive postojanosti.

So that produced a shadow.

Dakle, to proizvodi sjenu.

Then I thought, okay, let me sculpt that.

Onda sam pomislio, pustite me da to napravim.

Then, again, that becomes an object.

I onda je to opet postao objekt.

Again, throwing light, then the third one.

Opet, bacajući svjetlo. Zatim treći.

So what you see is nothing but shadow

I sve što vidite je sjena

of a shadow of a shadow.

od sjene od sjene.

And then again, at that point, there is no shadow.

I zatim opet, od te točke, sjene više nema.

I thought, "Oh, good. Work is finished."

Pomislih, "o, dobro. Gotov posao."

You can see the detail.

Možete vidjeti detalj.

This is called "Gravity."

Ovo se zove "Gravitacija."

It's called "Breath." It's just two holes on the gallery wall.

Zove se "Dah". To su samo dvije rupe na zidu galerije.

It's a false wall, which contains

To je lažan zid, koji sadrži

like 110 cubic feet.

cca 110 kubičnih stopa.

So that hole actually

Tako da zapravo ta rupa

makes the air come out and go in.

omogućava da zrak izlazi i ulazi.

So where it's happening, we can see,

Tamo gdje se to događa, možemo vidjeti,

but what is happening will remain invisible only.

ali to što se događa će ostati nevidljivo.

This is from the show called "Invisible," at Talwar Gallery.

To je s izložbe zvane "nevidljivo" u Talwar galeriji.

This is called "Kaayam."

Ovo se zove "Kaayam."

Detail.

Detalj.

And what I'd like to tell you,

Ono što vam želim reći, znate,

our senses are so limited --

naša su osjetila toliko ograničena,

we cannot hear everything, we cannot see everything.

ne možemo sve čuti, niti vidjeti.

We don't feel, "I am touching the air,"

Ne osjećamo, "Dodirujem zrak",

but if the breeze is a little more faster, then I can feel it.

ali ukoliko je povjetarac malo brži, možemo ga osjetiti.

So all of our construction of reality

Dakle, sva naša konstrukcija realiteta

is through these limited senses.

stvara se putem tih ograničenih osjetila.

So my request was like,

Moje je pribježište bilo nešto poput,

is there any way to use all this

postoji li neki način da se sve to upotrijebi

as just a symbol or a sign?

samo kao simbol ili znak?

And to really get to the point,

Kako bi se stvarno prodrlo u bit,

we should move beyond, you know,

moramo se pomaknuti iznad, znate,

go to the other side of the wall, like illogic,

otići do druge strane zida, kao u logici,

like are invisible.

poput nevidljivosti.

Because when we see someone walks, we see the footprint.

Jer kad vidimo nekog da hoda, vidimo otiske stopala.

But if we're just cutting that footprint from the whole thing and trying to analyze it,

Ali ako izvadimo taj otisak iz cjeline i pokušamo ga analizirati,

you will miss the point

izgubit ćemo bit,

because the actual journey happens between those footprints,

jer se pravo putovanje nalazi između tih otisaka,

and the footprints are nothing but passing time.

a neki su otisci ništa drugo do li tijek vremena.

Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(Aplauz).